Reports: Orlando Magic Trade Vince Carter, Marcin Gortat, and Mickael Pietrus to Phoenix Suns for Jason Richardson, Hedo Turkoglu, and Earl Clark
by Evan Dunlap on Dec 18, 2010 2:47 PM EST
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PrintMultiple news sources, including ESPN's Chris Broussard, report the Orlando Magic have agreed to trade Vince Carter, Marcin Gortat, Mickael Pietrus, a first-round draft pick, and cash to the Phoenix Suns for Jason Richardson, Hedo Turkoglu, and Earl Clark. Orlando has yet to make a formal announcement about the trade, but given the volume and caliber of the reporting, the deal indeed looks nearly official as possible, without officially earning that designation. Brian Serra of MagicBasketballOnline first reported Pietrus' inclusion in the trade.
Richardson, a ten-year veteran swingman, is scoring 19.3 points in 31.8 minutes per game this season and connecting on 41.9 percent of his three-point tries. He strikes me as the most significant player in this trade from Orlando's perspective, as his ability to knock down open three-pointers and elevate for jump shots off the dribble should boost its weak offense. His contract expires after this season.
The bigger draw, from a narrative perspective, is Turkoglu's return to Orlando. The Magic acquired Carter following their 2009 NBA Finals run ostensibly to upgrade Turkoglu's spot on that team, with Turkoglu departing in free agency a few weeks later. When viewed this way, the Magic had a second chance to choose between Carter and Turkoglu, and this time they sided with Turkoglu. The combo forward with point guard skills has struggled since leaving the Magic; perhaps a return to Stan Van Gundy's offense, which helped make him the league's Most Improved Player in the 2007/08 season, will fix what ails him. As my SB Nation colleague Seth Pollack writes, Turkoglu has frustrated the Suns in myriad ways this year.
Clark, a lottery pick in the 2009 NBA Draft, is a long-term prospect. In 60 games over two seasons, Clark has played just 455 minutes and made 38.7 percent of his shot attempts. At 6-foot-10 with some handling skills, the left-hander has intriguing physical tools, but is not expected to be an impact player right away.
Gortat may prove to be the Magic's best asset, as the young backup center plays with energy, defends, rebounds, and has soft hands. There's little doubt he will develop into a solid center for Phoenix, which desperately needs a player with his skills in the middle. Oddly, the Suns are Gortat's original team, but the Magic acquired his draft rights from Phoenix.
This trade leaves Orlando without three rotation players for tonight's game against the Philadelphia 76ers, and another deal may be on the way. Rashard Lewis could be headed to the Washington Wizards for Gilbert Arenas in very short order.
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So no big back in the Lewis/Gil deal huh?
Damn, that sucks. Looks like tonight’s game will result in a big L too, look at who we will have available lol.
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I feel really bad for Vince…his hometown..he must be super down now……can’t see this working out well for the magic.
its sports so it happens.
i don’t feel bad for vince he 18 million last year. he is very happy trust me.
This HATING has to STOP...
This is why I hate all this “Fantasy” game crap… it makes HUMAN beings into playthings, to be moved at our pleasure. Well, they’re NOT!
Let’s STOP all this hate towards Lewis and Carter; the Magic brought them for a reason and it didn’t quite work like we wanted. Some had to do with age and a declining set of skills. Some were mental blocks. Some had to do with Coaching, as Lewis was moved from the position he played comfortably for Seattle and had only one good year at the power forward position Van Gundy forced him to. Yes, it’s NOT mentioned here, but Coaching played a part in this whole debacle.
What IS important now is that we REMEMBER and RESPECT the Player and the Man in them: They came and gave their all, limitations and all. They are Professionals and we should treat them with RESPECT. Lewis WON a KEY game for us in that Finals run and indeed played an important role in that unforgettable Season. For THAT he has my undying gratitude…
I understand this HAD to be done… but let’s make this clear: When you have a FAMILY… including parents here in Orlando… ROOTS in the community, believe me NO MONEY CAN MAKE YOU HAPPY. Believe me, Carter is NOT happy about this… neither am I!
It’s sad… no, PATHETIC the way SOME people here THINK that money is EVERYTHING… buys ANYTHING. These are NOT the values I instill in my children…
by manny55 on Dec 18, 2010 3:48 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You know this is his job right?
Its not like hes being held captive in DC now. If he wanted to he could quit tomorrow and spend time with his family. There are plenty of jobs that are much farther from home and pay a WHOLE lot less than playing basketball for 18 mil
dont teach me how to be a fan
Fans can criticize players who lack passion, heart, and desire, all we want. Who are you to say otherwise? All your excuses for their inabilities on the court is laughable. They are drastically overpaid, AVERAGE, basketball players. More power to them. Im happy for anyone who can get a big contract and make their life better. However, the day Im supposed to stop criticizing players who inhibit my favorite NBA franchise from contending due to their handcuffing of our payroll and inability to execute up to the sum of the contract theyre cashing every week, is the day I stop following the Magic and lose all my passion as a fan
Good riddance to those overpaid bums who made me suffer as a fan for the last 1 and 1/4 years, I feel no sorrow for guys who play with less passion and heart than I have as a spectator and are 2 of the highest paid players in all of pro sports. In exchange for cashing those checks, they have to put up with diehard fans who will hold their feet to the fire, and Im positive that they will accept that trade off
Peace guys glad with the time I had here, but
The Suns are my favorite team now. I feel bad for my fav playa vc, but he still can get that ring with the suns. Nash to Vince is going to be good. The Hedo move was risky. Pietrus and Gortat is better than Hedo and Clark guy. Peace I’m joining phoenix suns sb nation.
Um... no, he can't
He can make the playoffs and THAT’s doubtful so… we’ll see what happens the next season and where he ends up to.
that would have been soooo nice.
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We start JJ, Q, and Bass
With Jameer and Dwight. We are who we are. Still think that SL is better than PHI.
I like this trade. JRich’s firepower coupled with Turk who, let’s face it, was the epitome of a “system player” (i.e., ours)… Does this make us a contender? Who knows… right now probably a lean no, but changes had to be made, and these are positive changes that work well with our system.
Any chance we keep Lewis
now that Turk is back? Could you imagine a starting lineup of Nelson-Richardson-Hedo-Lewis-Howard? I think I actually like it…
Let's Go Magic!
by BleedingBlueSince89 on Dec 18, 2010 2:55 PM EST reply actions
yes, and it wouldve been terrible
had we not traded Leis a few hours after you posted this of course.
Any starting frontcourt with Hedo and Lewis isnt getting a ring. PLain and simple, The Vince Carter trade may not have worked out for us a year and a half ago, but it was bette rto mix things up then stay with a Lewis/Hedo front court combo that we knew for a fact couldnt compete for a title.
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by Blood, Sugar, Sex, ORLANDO Magic on Dec 18, 2010 2:56 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
Why Pietrus?
12/8/10- The day Urban Meyer resigned as coach and the day Crawford signed with the Suxs. One of the worst days in sports ever!
Pietrus is actually a good off the dribble
see his years in golden state.
But gave up last year's lottery pick for it.
Please don't simply ignore the stats when making your case, 'cause "...your eyes lie to you sometimes..."
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by magicfaninTN on Dec 18, 2010 11:44 PM EST up reply actions
Purely on court (and ignoring the other rumored deal)
This deal seems like a no brainer. Jrich is better than Carter and Turk is better than pietrus. Gortat has fallen off this year. Bass is the new back up c maybe?
by Half-man Half-gortat on Dec 18, 2010 3:02 PM EST reply actions
Seriously...what would the lineups be?
There’s an abundance of SG/SFs, and the Magic lose a great backup for Howard with no one in return to replace him.
by The BBQ Chicken Madness on Dec 18, 2010 3:48 PM EST up reply actions
Actually...
There are an abundance of PG and SG. There aren’t ANY natural SF.
This is part of what makes me wonder if there isn’t more in the works to turn some of these pieces into Carmelo Anthony.
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Your pretty damn wrong. VC and J Rich are pretty equal. Gortat kills that fool Clark and Pietrus is more mobile than Hedo. Good trade for my Suns.
Err . . . I get the feeling you really, really want us to know you like the Suns
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by funny80sguy on Dec 20, 2010 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
Why are we giving them Cash and a first round pick?
And how is J-rich’s expiring contract gonna work out for us?
by Memphissleek on Dec 18, 2010 3:02 PM EST via mobile reply actions
We're gonna have a short back court...
Unless Otis has an ace up his sleeve…he is pretty sneaky.
by Memphissleek on Dec 18, 2010 3:05 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
So we give up our only legitimate back-up at center, our only decent perimeter defender, and Vince Carter.
I like Jason Richardson. But Hedo, as far as anyone can tell, will be an even bigger goat than Vince Carter and Earl Clark is another pet project, another Daniel Orton.
How exactly is this a good move?
It's going to be a low first rounder
Who cares about the pick… You can always get/buy picks in this league.
by jMagic09 on Dec 18, 2010 3:03 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Not gone deal........yet
The Suns a not wiiling to take on MP contract and are asking to the Magic to include a first pick and cash in return, probably too much for the Magic .
I thought that's what is already being done?
We gave them a first round and cash considerations…
Let's Go Magic!
by BleedingBlueSince89 on Dec 18, 2010 3:04 PM EST up reply actions
If this trade goes down it better kill the Washington deal.
I think starting Meer-Arenas-Richardson-Turk-Dwight would be completely terrible defensively.
"It's difficult to win when you're outscored in every quarter." -Bill Walton
by betterthanburke on Dec 18, 2010 3:06 PM EST reply actions
I'd have to think Arenas would come off the bench?
Jameer (since he knows the system)
J. Rich
Hedo
Bass/Anderson
Dwight
Off the bench:
Arenas
Q. Rich
Bass or Anderson
by ap3604 on Dec 18, 2010 3:08 PM EST up reply actions
Arenas off the bench though just adds to his insanity/locker room destruction.
I would hate hate hate to have him on this team.
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by betterthanburke on Dec 18, 2010 3:10 PM EST up reply actions
Do you forget about JJ?
Where is JJ in your commnet?
Here's my take on it.
Is Turkoglu’s contract toxic? Yes. That being said, Dwight is obviously unhappy with the play of the current players on the roster. Otis Smith had to show our franchise player that the front office was not satisfied with the way things were going. He wants to show Dwight they Orlando is not like Cleveland and Toronto. I think this move had to be made because if it doesn’t Dwight probably does not resign with Orlando.
Just my opinion, nothing else.
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by Blood, Sugar, Sex, ORLANDO Magic on Dec 18, 2010 3:06 PM EST reply actions
I'm sure Howard signed off on this deal
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by AB's triple double on Dec 18, 2010 3:07 PM EST up reply actions
I bet you are 100% correct.
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by Blood, Sugar, Sex, ORLANDO Magic on Dec 18, 2010 3:09 PM EST up reply actions
"He wants to show Dwight they Orlando is not like Cleveland and Toronto."
Not sure if you are aware, but Clevelnad did something EXACTLY like this for LeBron last year and he still left. Cleveland = small market and Orlando = small market. Just like last year this trade will mean little to nothing in regards to Dwight wanting to stay or not.
What will mean alot? Getting back to the finals or even winning it, and nothing else.
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The team that we had up to this point was not going to the finals this year
and I won’t debate that.
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by Blood, Sugar, Sex, ORLANDO Magic on Dec 18, 2010 3:23 PM EST up reply actions
our pieces are better than what they added.
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I don't know how you can say that when the pieces we added haven't played on game together.
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by Blood, Sugar, Sex, ORLANDO Magic on Dec 18, 2010 3:25 PM EST up reply actions
*one
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by Blood, Sugar, Sex, ORLANDO Magic on Dec 18, 2010 3:25 PM EST up reply actions
im still not sure how i feel about all of this
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by nowuseemenowudont on Dec 18, 2010 3:06 PM EST reply actions
This is the classic "making a move just to make a move".
I hate it.
Haters gonna hate.
by MoveThoseChains on Dec 18, 2010 3:07 PM EST reply actions
Not really.
JRich is far superior to Vince and has a truly expiring contract, just in case.
Turk is superior to Pietrus.
We lose out on Gortat’s potential, but he wasn’t getting used with Dwight dominating in the middle. Clark and Orton give us huge upside at the 4/5 spot for years to come.
Turk is not superior to Pietrus, and it's ridiculous for you to say that unless Turk suddenly learned how to play defense and get 5 years younger,
PLUS Gortat is gone. This doesn’t make anyone except the Phoenix Suns better
Haters gonna hate.
by MoveThoseChains on Dec 18, 2010 3:10 PM EST up reply actions
So Hoopsworld says Gil is official.
http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=18230
Let's Go Magic!
by BleedingBlueSince89 on Dec 18, 2010 3:07 PM EST reply actions
Yep.
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by Blood, Sugar, Sex, ORLANDO Magic on Dec 18, 2010 3:08 PM EST up reply actions
this was printed an hr ago, are there no other confirmations?
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by nowuseemenowudont on Dec 18, 2010 3:08 PM EST up reply actions
Thats the only one I found.
Let's Go Magic!
by BleedingBlueSince89 on Dec 18, 2010 3:09 PM EST up reply actions
Wow
WTF Otis! He said that they did not re-sign him because the contract was too much? I love Turk, one of my all time favorite Magic players. But I don’t want him back. He’s getting old and overpaid. Richardson is a good player and should fit right in.
But if we trade Lewis for Arenas, where does that leave Jameer? I’m so confused!
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His contract *was* too much
The Magic offered 4 years/36mil and he took 5yrs/50 million. However, he dropped the last year of the contract to be traded to Phoenix so the contract he ended up with is almost exactly what the Magic offered him.
I’m not saying it’s a good deal for the Magic (esp. given how he’s been playing lately), but the deal he is on is pretty much what was offered in 2009.
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Source to him dropping the last year of his contract?
I couldnt find anything on google besides some random realgm thread…
by ap3604 on Dec 18, 2010 3:39 PM EST up reply actions
I was repeating what I'd heard
But there is this story on ESPN from July. So, it may not be a full drop but a reduction.
According to the Republic, Turkoglu is waiving roughly $5 million of a trade bonus in his contract and reducing the guaranteed money in the final season — which was worth $12 million in 2013-14 — to facilitate his move to the Suns.
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And more
From the Arizona Republic in July.
To come to Phoenix, Turkoglu is yielding about $5 million of his trade kicker and reducing the guaranteed money on the final year of his contract, which was worth $12 million in 2013-14. He also has an early termination option on that season. Turkoglu will make $9.8 million, $10.6 million and $11.4 million salaries in the next three seasons.
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Agent Zero is coming too.
Yahoo reporting Shard for Gilberto is done.
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Spreading that Calgary Flames, Montreal Expos, The U, and Orlando Magic love.
CRAP!
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Assuming Rashard finally leaves, and we keep Rhino, this just means he’ll back up Bass at the 4, and we can continue to spread the floor as we would with Rashard! I like that a lot!!
I went to sleep in Orlando, and woke up in Cleveland.
What the hell is going on.
by ggrant on Dec 18, 2010 3:10 PM EST reply actions 7 recs
lol, rec
and that was a very bitter and terrified laugh
Haters gonna hate.
by MoveThoseChains on Dec 18, 2010 3:10 PM EST up reply actions
Sounds like a nightmare.
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by Blood, Sugar, Sex, ORLANDO Magic on Dec 18, 2010 3:11 PM EST up reply actions
you can say that when Howard leaves
But CLE didn’t have the balls to pull these kinds of trades either.
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by AB's triple double on Dec 18, 2010 3:12 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
This^^^
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by Blood, Sugar, Sex, ORLANDO Magic on Dec 18, 2010 3:12 PM EST up reply actions
No, they had brains instead of balls.
Haters gonna hate.
by MoveThoseChains on Dec 18, 2010 3:12 PM EST up reply actions
What in the world are you talking about???
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by Blood, Sugar, Sex, ORLANDO Magic on Dec 18, 2010 3:14 PM EST up reply actions
The fact that I think this trade is really stupid.
Brave, maybe. But discretion is the better part of valor.
Haters gonna hate.
by MoveThoseChains on Dec 18, 2010 3:14 PM EST up reply actions
Turk, J Rich, Clark>Shaq, Jameson
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by Blood, Sugar, Sex, ORLANDO Magic on Dec 18, 2010 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
But Cleveland also didn't give up anything
Even got ZZZZZZZZZZZ back. Rather than shipping off 3 rotation players, including their best perimeter defender and their superstar’s insurance policy.
Haters gonna hate.
by MoveThoseChains on Dec 18, 2010 3:17 PM EST up reply actions
So your argument is that CLE got Big Z back
therefore their trades were better than ours?
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by Blood, Sugar, Sex, ORLANDO Magic on Dec 18, 2010 3:18 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think this trade addressed the problems we had
Which were tempo and defense.
agreed...defensively we're no better
we may be worse with peaches gone and no backup for d12
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by nowuseemenowudont on Dec 18, 2010 3:20 PM EST up reply actions
I think the tempo will be much better.
As far as transition goes. Hedo can run with the rock, j-rich can run, arenas can run. Rashard acts scared to dribble the ball sometimes and peaches only dribbles backwards to the 3 pt line.
by Memphissleek on Dec 18, 2010 3:29 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Earl Clark can run, too
This guy is super intriguing. He hasn’t done anything yet, but HUGGEE upside.
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Agree.
Still pretty raw but like you said, huge upside.
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by Blood, Sugar, Sex, ORLANDO Magic on Dec 18, 2010 3:33 PM EST up reply actions
I do actually like Clark though.
Could fit nicely in this system.
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No, my argument is that they got players basically for free,
and it didn’t end up working out for them anyway. Meanwhile, the Magic gave up a bunch of stuff, didn’t address their problems, and already can be predicted as not working. The same way that everyone new Johnson’s contract in Atlanta was a terrible idea even before it was signed.
Haters gonna hate.
by MoveThoseChains on Dec 18, 2010 3:20 PM EST up reply actions
CLE didn't have the balls to make the trade for Amare last year
You think Lebron leaves w/ him on the same team??
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by AB's triple double on Dec 18, 2010 3:18 PM EST up reply actions
That was lack of balls and brains.
They valued Hickson over Amare. Worst basketball decision in a while.
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Well folks, this is the beginning of the end.
We had a nice little run with a future Hall of Fame Center. Now it looks like we’ll be watching him win multiple rings with the Lakers.
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by Blood, Sugar, Sex, ORLANDO Magic on Dec 18, 2010 3:12 PM EST up reply actions
Are you ignoring all of the reports that he was involved in the decision making?
I mean, that’s possibly why Nelson didn’t go anywhere
Let's Go Magic!
by BleedingBlueSince89 on Dec 18, 2010 3:13 PM EST up reply actions
And didn't LeBron approve all of the moves Cleveland made when he was there?
Look where that got them.
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by GameManager on Dec 18, 2010 3:13 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm not saying he knows anything.
I’m saying that he has to approve and if there is ANYTHING we know, it’s that Ledouche is NOT Dwight. Dwight is NOT Ledouche. I understand its a buisness, but you guys are being friggin ridiculous.
Let's Go Magic!
by BleedingBlueSince89 on Dec 18, 2010 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
I saw that too
Richardson: “opportunity to play in Orlando! Thanks for all the love and support you guys showed me. God Bless!”
Also, Steve Nash tweeted: “Everyone wish @jrich23 the best in Orlando. Great player and great teammate! He will be missed. Damn.”
My response to Steve: “@SteveNash dont worry, @jrich23 is the most exciting part about all of these trades for us Magic fans, we’re PUMPED to have him” & “you wanna come too? we’d love to have you”
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The Window is........CLOSED.
No championship in Orlando in the next five years ……(at least).
Ok?
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by Blood, Sugar, Sex, ORLANDO Magic on Dec 18, 2010 3:16 PM EST up reply actions
This tweet from Chad Ford sums it up for me...
“Magic didn’t want to re-sign Turkoglu in 09. He was overpaid by Raptors. Underperforms in Tor & Phx & now fans excited to have him back?”
We trade our two best defenders besides Dwight for a lot of average-to-bad defenders? After Dwight just complained about defense? How does this make sense?
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Chad Ford is missing a few things there:
We wanted to resign Turk, just not for his asking price.
He underperformed in TOR and PHX because he didn’t fit their systems. In fact, he’s only ever fit one system pretty perfectly — ours. So, yes, I’m happy to have him, without question.
He was inconsistent and fading even in his last year here.
People overlook the previous 82 games (plus the first 11 games of the playoffs) and remember Hedo late in the playoffs. He was a better player the year before in our system. He’s not worth his contract. He’s worth the MLE to us.
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Exactly to the power of 2. The results of this trade would hasten the departure of Dwight.
I don’t know which one is worse? Losing Gortat or Having Turkoglu back with his toxic contract?
His contract is not toxic, he gave up a year to get out pf Canada.
get over it.
by Both_Teams_Played_ on Dec 18, 2010 4:41 PM EST up reply actions
$10+M for two more years is not toxic to you for a player which was not worth more than MLE in his prime, plus not known for his defense on a team which needs defense?
You can speak for yourself, but I will see that Otis Smith crashes and burns in infamy when there is not enough incentive for Dwight to stay.
What are you going to do? Smite Otis?
Quit acting like you are god. It is embarassing.
by Both_Teams_Played_ on Dec 18, 2010 5:02 PM EST up reply actions
The first "hail mary" in basketball thrown by none other than Otis Smith!
by Memphissleek on Dec 18, 2010 3:17 PM EST via mobile reply actions
This has to be Otis' make or break deal
if it works, kudos again. But if Arenas acts up, then this has to cost Smith his job. He is the ONLY GM in the league willing to give Arenas a chance.
"A man has got to have a code." -Bunk, Season 1; Omar, Season 4.
But he got rid of Shard's toxic contract
I really like Lewis, but he is over the hill and needed to go. Arenas will be productive for a few more years.
by Both_Teams_Played_ on Dec 18, 2010 3:28 PM EST up reply actions
But he has terrible knees, doesn't play defense, and is a very inefficient scorer.
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Break it down:
Knees: goes to Lewis.
Defense: goes to Lewis.
Having guns: goes to Arenas
Scoring: ….goes to neither.
Me: goes to the liquor cabinet.
Haters gonna hate.
by MoveThoseChains on Dec 18, 2010 3:31 PM EST up reply actions
Serious Question:
Do we have enough players to suit up for tonight’s game?
They got a big 3, but we got a big 12.
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Certified Kristin Kreuk obsessive.
Also, Ryno is probably not able to play
But he can at least dress even if he doesn’t touch the court.
And this was supposed to be the one pretty surefire win in the coming days. :/
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Malik Allen too, I guess.
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Stan just called me and
asked if I could suit up.
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by Blood, Sugar, Sex, ORLANDO Magic on Dec 18, 2010 3:20 PM EST up reply actions
I am getting Crazy with all these rumors......
Otis, Where are you?
csf?
Can j rich play SF? And what happens to jj?
Info we trade shard only SF is q rich and we’d. Have 3 legit sgs. Jj, ga, jr
by dukenilnil on Dec 18, 2010 3:21 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Yeah, but there's a logjam everywhere on the wings now.
Hedo, J-Rich, and Q-Rich at the 3 spot? That is if we get Arenas too, because he’ll have to play the two spot. And that makes us small.
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otis smith is one of the best gms in the nba, hands down. these trades will work without question and it is absurd to even think about doubting him
Oh, ok.
puts on tin foil hat
Haters gonna hate.
by MoveThoseChains on Dec 18, 2010 3:23 PM EST up reply actions
so, are you a fan of Otis?
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by AB's triple double on Dec 18, 2010 3:23 PM EST up reply actions
Might be Otis himself.
Haters gonna hate.
by MoveThoseChains on Dec 18, 2010 3:23 PM EST up reply actions
Otis is pretty smooth
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by AB's triple double on Dec 18, 2010 3:24 PM EST up reply actions
Otis should consider a career change....
because being a GM for an NBA team is obviously not for him.
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With the 2 trades that are apparently going down,
Trade Machine says -7 Wins! Greeeeaaaattt move, Otis.
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by betterthanburke on Dec 18, 2010 3:22 PM EST reply actions
I don't know if these trades will work
But the trade machine’s “wins added” is pointless.
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by Blood, Sugar, Sex, ORLANDO Magic on Dec 18, 2010 3:24 PM EST reply actions
I think it's the trades that are motivating me to reach for the Jack and coke.
Serious question, BSSOM: do you like this trade? And how to do you like it combination with the Arenas possibility?
Haters gonna hate.
by MoveThoseChains on Dec 18, 2010 3:26 PM EST up reply actions
I like the trade but I don't love it
Otis Smith was obviously put in a difficult position. To me, it looked like VC shut it down after in every close game we were in, Gortat’s productivity has degressed, and MP was fighting night in and night out for playing time.
I have always been a big supporter of Lewis. That being said it seems like he peaked the year we went to the finals, which he was a large part of our success. I think if Arenas (big if) stays healthy there’s no doubt he will help our team.
All of this is just my opinion, nothing else.
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by Blood, Sugar, Sex, ORLANDO Magic on Dec 18, 2010 3:32 PM EST up reply actions
I less than like it
It does seem Gortat’s productivity is worse than ever, but it is still better than anything we’ll get from any other backup center. I’ve always been a big Lewis guy too…I guess I still haven’t given up him. I also think Arenas has absolutely nothing left, and that MP’s defense will be sorely missed.
I usually am one of the more trusting and optimistic people on blogs (was that way on the Jaguars blog, from where I’m in self-imposed exile, which is why I’m here so much now…..hey everyone! lol), but……I just don’t like this trade much. Just my opinion too, though.
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by MoveThoseChains on Dec 18, 2010 3:36 PM EST up reply actions
All good points
I just want to see this team play and after 10-15 games, if they’re no better than they were before the trade was made I’ll eat crow.
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by Blood, Sugar, Sex, ORLANDO Magic on Dec 18, 2010 3:43 PM EST up reply actions
For the Magic's sake, I hope I'm the one eating crow.
Hey, totally intelligent and civil disagreement! Yay!
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by MoveThoseChains on Dec 18, 2010 3:45 PM EST up reply actions
that's rare on here
please proceed
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by AB's triple double on Dec 18, 2010 3:52 PM EST up reply actions
I'd give it until at least the All Star Break
And honestly, it probably will take until next season given normal acclimation times to SVG’s system.
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by Blood, Sugar, Sex, ORLANDO Magic on Dec 18, 2010 3:34 PM EST up reply actions
So Nash just tweeted he's sad to see JRich leave.
Let’s just say Turk is an acquired taste.
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by AB's triple double on Dec 18, 2010 3:26 PM EST up reply actions
We can all agree on one thing...
Our team, minus these trades, weren’t any closer to contending for a championship.
We can possibly agree on a second thing:
There was no way we were going to make a truly impactful trade (to get a Chris Paul or Carmelo) with the assets we had.
Either way, Otis was going to get skewered, either for standing pat (i.e., “I like this team.”) or trying to at least find talented parts that fit our system and have the potential to perform better than we were.
A lineup with Turk, Arenas, and Dwight will be a nightmare to guard. Trust me. Im just really concerned we have no backup for Dwight.
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Don't worry
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by AB's triple double on Dec 18, 2010 3:28 PM EST up reply actions
I think someone along the lines of Iguodala was totally possible, and would've made more sense.
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Wait, no one took Duhon?
Crap!
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by L Magico on Dec 18, 2010 3:26 PM EST reply actions 14 recs
Learn to Rec a comment
this one would be glowing if you did.
by Both_Teams_Played_ on Dec 18, 2010 3:31 PM EST up reply actions
Kevin Martin would've been AWESOME here....
but it wouldn’t happen with Otis being our GM.
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They might have wanted too much
Either wanting more from us or making us take too much baggage in return.
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Or it could be Turk was a prime target of ours, and the Suns weren't willing to deal if Gortat wasn't involved
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by funny80sguy on Dec 20, 2010 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
Kevin Martin would've worked really well in our offense...
Geez, this day just gets worse.
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I'm excited.
If I forget about stats and just look at this from a fan’s perspective. I love this. Turk is a lot of fun to watch. The Magic haven’t looked like they’ve had fun all year. I cuss out my tv every time Hedu takes one of those running fade away jumpers but at least he doesn’t go belly up in the fourth.
by The Stan 'Stache on Dec 18, 2010 3:33 PM EST reply actions
We went to the Finals with Turk. We’ve never been the same since he left and Shard got off the juice.
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Exactly
And I’d rather live and die by this trade than just die with Vince.
by The Stan 'Stache on Dec 18, 2010 3:39 PM EST up reply actions
That was two years ago. He was already declining from his previous year.
This is not the same Hedo. Just like this is not the same Shard.
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This doesnt make the Magic better than Boston or Miami
Taking on the long term contracts of Hedo and possibly Arenas just cements them as the 90’s Trailblazers of the NBA. A talented 2 seed that gets bounced in the 2nd round every year.
And does Malik Allen now play 25 minutes a night when Howard picks up 2 personals during warmups?
I would agree with this.
I’d add we were a mediocre 3rd/4th seed without this trade with the potential to get bounced out of the first round by a team with nothing to lose.
Not the point about Malik Allen playing heavy minutes.
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haters gonna hate
let me guess you’re a cHeat fan
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What about Earl Clark
He isn’t being mentioned much because he is so young and raw, but I think the upside on this guy is terrific. He could really be something in the not-so-distant future.
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He's not that impressive, so far.
I grew up in AZ, so I’m also a Suns fan. He’s got lots of raw talent and physical ability…but he has yet to show any sort of caring for becoming a great player. It’s that lack of focus/drive that’s kept him from being in the normal rotation for the Suns, despite being a big powerful guy on a team that’s biggest problem was being too small.
If this trade happens…one can only hope that the change in scenery gets his to snap out of it. He could be a great player, but right now his lack of work ethic is holding him back.
by The BBQ Chicken Madness on Dec 18, 2010 4:08 PM EST up reply actions
He hasn't done squat in the NBA but has the raw ability to be really good
I don’t really know much about Phoenix. Do players tend to grow into better players during their tenure?
I’m seriously asking, because it could just be a situation of the wrong place for a raw player. If so, that would be great because Orlando seems to do pretty well at making players better by helping them grow into their strengths (Dwight, Hedo, JJ (sorry TGS)).
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From my time watching the Suns org...
…I’ve noticed that players generally get into great physical condition there. Shaq looked more fit than he had in years while there, Grant Hill and Nash make it seem like AZ has the fountain of youth in it’s practice facility.
However, in terms of players going there and “breaking out” in terms of developing as players…nothing spectacular comes to mind. Maybe SVG will be able to get through to Clark better than Gentry could?
by The BBQ Chicken Madness on Dec 18, 2010 4:18 PM EST up reply actions
That was kind of my impression, too
Killer training staff, but players maintain. Then again, because of their staff they usually have veterans which don’t tend to grow a lot.
It would be great if Clark could become what he has the potential to be. Of course, I had the same hopes for Ryno before he was buried on the bench. :/
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Lets see
The Magic give up 38 ppg, 5.0apg, and 9.7 rpg
an the Magic get 49.3 ppg, 9.7 asp and 13.6 rpg
Yep, totally unfair.
by Both_Teams_Played_ on Dec 18, 2010 3:42 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Of all people, I would've thought you'd rate defense and more advanced stats a little higher.
Plus contracts, long term outlook…..etc. Plus if the Lewis trade happens….blah.
Haters gonna hate.
by MoveThoseChains on Dec 18, 2010 3:44 PM EST up reply actions
I think the Magic got better
Arenas can back up Jameer or play the two, J-Rich is a near All Star who his 3’s consistently, Turk still hits 3’s and only asks one thing (ball) and Dwight is still the best defensive team in the NBA.
We gained REAL scorers and will give up very little on defense once SVG gets every one acclimated.
by Both_Teams_Played_ on Dec 18, 2010 3:55 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I hope you're right, and that there's enough
BALL for everyone.
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by MoveThoseChains on Dec 18, 2010 3:56 PM EST up reply actions
That's the way I see it
for now.
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by Blood, Sugar, Sex, ORLANDO Magic on Dec 18, 2010 3:56 PM EST up reply actions
Pietrus and Gortat is a very lot on defense.
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Using PER as a surrigate for advanced stats
J-Rich 19.6 this year, 16.9 career – VC 16.7 and 21.0
Turk 13.4 and 14.8 – Lewis 11.4 and 17.4
Gil 14.1 and 20.3 MP 8.6 and 12.2
Gortat is 14.1 and 15.1 – Clark is immaterial (11.6 and 9.)
All three of the guys who will get minutes have significantly better PER’s than the ones lost.
by Both_Teams_Played_ on Dec 18, 2010 4:05 PM EST up reply actions
The most important part of this deal that nobody seems to want to discuss is NOT Hedo
It IS Jason Richardson. He is by far an upgrade over Carter. Turk might be an upgrade over Q/MP at the 3 spot, but it doesn’t really matter. The MAJOR 2 problems with this team was Carter’s lack of aggressiveness in crunch time, and Lewis’ inability to play alongside Carter. That all got solved with this deal.
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by JeffShann3 on Dec 18, 2010 3:42 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
ya, pretty much
Losing Gortat might make Howard play smarter and not get into foul trouble so often
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by AB's triple double on Dec 18, 2010 3:44 PM EST up reply actions
http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/12/18/done-deal-magic-trades-phoenix-vince-carter-and-others-for-jason-richardson-hedo-turkoglu/
arenas deal is done too?
Looks like it. Yes.
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by North of the South on Dec 18, 2010 3:45 PM EST up reply actions
I like this trade
I understand that defense wins championships, but this team is friggin stacked now. With offense. LOL. We better hope that we run some teams out of the building. I still forecast Otis turning Arenas/Richardson/Someone Else into Anthony. Denver gets two solid all-star caliber players, one with an expiring.
Break the Curse
Just so everyone can shut up about it:
Per David Aldridge on Twitter: “Source tells me that Dwight Howard is on board with all the deals. Thought the team had lost a little juice this season.”
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shard lost a lil juice.........when he got busted
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by AB's triple double on Dec 18, 2010 3:47 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
It means a hellava lot more than you think, I guess.
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I'm not the first person to say this, but Lebron would've said the same thing last year.
This doesn’t matter much to me neither.
Haters gonna hate.
by MoveThoseChains on Dec 18, 2010 3:46 PM EST up reply actions
except Lebron was not as involved apparently as he should have been. Wanted Amare remember? Team didn't want to give up Hickson
That was not an issue here.
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Dwight wanted Chris Paul and Carlos Boozer...
remember?
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there were a lot of people on that list. More than just 2 people
Dwight just gave the OK to trade 1 of his best friends on the team, do you think he would do that if he wasn’t happy with what was coming in?
Here’s Lewis just now on Twitter:
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That's tough
I’ve always been a big fan of Rashard. He lives in my neighborhood and I’ve talked to him while he was walking his enormous dog. Very real guy.
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by Blood, Sugar, Sex, ORLANDO Magic on Dec 18, 2010 4:02 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I kinda felt bad for him and didn't know what to say.
I wanted to say thanks but didn’t know how really.
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there was not trade possible for those 2 that the magic had right now. NONE
the CLE Phoenix deal was on the table and CLE walked away because they didn’t want to give up Hickson.
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by AB's triple double on Dec 18, 2010 4:01 PM EST up reply actions
NOO PEACHES : ((((
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at least we kept JJ
;-)
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by AB's triple double on Dec 18, 2010 3:48 PM EST up reply actions
oh well as long as we kept the wunderass
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by TheGiantSquid on Dec 18, 2010 3:50 PM EST up reply actions
why...do we need to also trade peaches : ((( otherwise i like it...except for losing the big man
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without getting another big in return*
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dude ikr....i keep hoping it's not real.........
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Is this just fantasy?
Caught in a landslide, no escape from reality.
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by Both_Teams_Played_ on Dec 18, 2010 4:09 PM EST up reply actions
It's certainly not my fantasy.
Haters gonna hate.
by MoveThoseChains on Dec 18, 2010 3:51 PM EST up reply actions
so are we getting Arenas? Losing Rashard?
losing Vince, Peaches, and Marcin? Getting Hedo, Jason, and who-the-eff-is-this Earl Clark?
WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON??
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i dont like this
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by TheGiantSquid on Dec 18, 2010 3:58 PM EST up reply actions
like....i want another big, marcin is good but in limited minutes not worth his contract
pietrus, I DONT WANT HIM TO LEAVE
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who will randomly step out of bounds?? :(
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by TheGiantSquid on Dec 18, 2010 4:02 PM EST up reply actions
apparently you need to watch more basketball
Earl Clark is a young SF/PF who played 1 (I think, maybe 2) seasons at Lousville. Came out early and has been buried on the bench in PHX. Athletic wing.
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Bottom line...
We gave up Carter, Pietrus, Lewis and Gortat.
But look what we GAIN!
In Richardson, we get a DOUBLE HOME RUN! A guy who can generate him own shot (we HAD to get one of those…), drives GREAT to the basket, PLUS (BIG plus here…) he has a KILLER 3-point shot to boast! He therefore, is BETTER than Carter AND Lewis… put together!
In Arenas, it’s more ify. He has a history of injury and behavior problems, true. But Otis KNOWS him better than anyone; he KNOWS how to deal with him and in the Magic organization, with Van Gundy’s SHORT chain… he’ll FIT, believe me. On the upside, Arenas is a tall guard, with REAL GUNS! He’ll go for the basket and WILL shoot lots of free throws… YESSSS!
We get the TURK back! Yes… 3 years older. But he KNOWS OUR system; fits like a glove; can even play point… at 6’10"!!! Him and Richardson will BLOW teams away from the 3-point line, or drive HARD to the basket; you pick your poison. Arenas and Nelson are now the BEST scoring threat Backcourt Duo in the NBA!
ANd we even get one BIG, young C/PF prospect, with bigger potential than Orton… for the future.
Yes… the Magic lost some INDIVIDUAL defense. But VG system depends on COLLECTIVE HELP DEFENSE. That will come back, big time… in due course. You’ll see…
Plus… with these pieces, we might even have a BETTER chance of later landing either Carmelo, or some other BIG Star down the road.
This is a GREAT deal, I believe! Just wait and see…
It's the beginning of the end.
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god seriously
wtf wtf wtffffffffff
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by TheGiantSquid on Dec 18, 2010 3:58 PM EST up reply actions
Yep, now we can win the East and maybe more.
by Both_Teams_Played_ on Dec 18, 2010 4:10 PM EST up reply actions
It's all good, trust me...
We gave up Carter, Pietrus, Lewis and Gortat.
But look what we GAIN!
In Richardson, we get a DOUBLE HOME RUN! A guy who can generate him own shot (we HAD to get one of those…), drives GREAT to the basket, PLUS (BIG plus here…) he has a KILLER 3-point shot to boast! He therefore, is BETTER than Carter AND Lewis… put together!
In Arenas, it’s more ify. He has a history of injury and behavior problems, true. But Otis KNOWS him better than anyone; he KNOWS how to deal with him and in the Magic organization, with Van Gundy’s SHORT chain… he’ll FIT, believe me. On the upside, Arenas is a tall guard, with REAL GUNS! He’ll go for the basket and WILL shoot lots of free throws… YESSSS!
We get the TURK back! Yes… 3 years older. But he KNOWS OUR system; fits like a glove; can even play point… at 6’10"!!! Him and Richardson will BLOW teams away from the 3-point line, or drive HARD to the basket; you pick your poison. Arenas and Nelson are now the BEST scoring threat Backcourt Duo in the NBA!
ANd we even get one BIG, young C/PF prospect, with bigger potential than Orton… for the future.
Yes… the Magic lost some INDIVIDUAL defense. But VG system depends on COLLECTIVE HELP DEFENSE. That will come back, big time… in due course. You’ll see…
Plus… with these pieces, we might even have a BETTER chance of later landing either Carmelo, or some other BIG Star down the road.
This is a GREAT deal, I believe! Just wait and see…
Some fans are getting their holiday wish granted. Carter and Shard gone, and Hedo is back.
I don’t know if anyone was wishing for Arenas, but there you have it.
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by North of the South on Dec 18, 2010 4:00 PM EST up reply actions
Arenas is a done deal
Earl Clark is a 22-year-old 6’10" point/power forward. The 14th pick in last years draft he is raw but has HUGE upside.
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so Arenas for Rashard
that pisses my dad off something fierce.
Vince, Peaches, and butter hands Gortat for Hedo, Richardson, and wtfClark
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by TheGiantSquid on Dec 18, 2010 4:07 PM EST up reply actions
Lewis's twitter:
Yo boy off to DC it was fun playing in Orlando had a great time trying to win it all got close but not close enough but it’s been real
I’ll miss him. He was awesome in our finals run, did dirty and awful things to Cleveland, and made our whole system go. Best of luck to him.
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by MoveThoseChains on Dec 18, 2010 4:02 PM EST reply actions
shard : ( i'm sorry to see him leave, seems like a great person
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I'll never forget how he kept us in game 2 of the finals
He was on fire
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by AB's triple double on Dec 18, 2010 4:08 PM EST up reply actions
NOOOOOOOOOooooooooOOOOOOOOOOO
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I like this trade
J. Richardson is in theory, exactly what we need on offense and by having Dwight in the middle J. Richardson will be a capable defender. Look at VC’s defensive rating the 2 years prior to coming to Orlando. 110 & 112. His 2 in Orlando 105 & 102.
MP is/was still our best wing defender but he isn’t locking down people in the way he used to. In fact Vince has a better defensive rating than MP this season.
Hedo will give us the length we need to defend bigger SF’s but with J. Rich & Arenas I’m not sure how the rotations will work.
My biggest concern in all of this is the backup C position. If Dwight gets into foul trouble in the post season we’re cooked.
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we woulda still been crushed with Gortat
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by nowuseemenowudont on Dec 18, 2010 4:05 PM EST up reply actions
J Richardson off the bench?
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by Blood, Sugar, Sex, ORLANDO Magic on Dec 18, 2010 4:05 PM EST reply actions
I hate this trade.
I do not like Arenas. And Turk’s contract has aids. This makes us smaller, and how does making us smaller help us against the Celtics and presumably the Lakers?
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by Dome of the Rock on Dec 18, 2010 4:07 PM EST reply actions
yea, we need size and clark wont suffice
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by nowuseemenowudont on Dec 18, 2010 4:08 PM EST up reply actions
Turk's contract was changed from 5 years to 4, which is what Orlando offered him.
He had to give a little to get out of Canada and back to warm weather.
by Both_Teams_Played_ on Dec 18, 2010 4:13 PM EST up reply actions
In theory
Having Arenas, J. Rich, Hedo & Dwight attack the basket will put the oppositions bigs in foul trouble or at least make them less aggressive. I remember Dwight doing this to Bynum every game in the Finals.
It would be pointless to try and match LA & Bostons size + skill at the starting 4 & backup 5 because there’s no one available that fits that description so we need to improve at other positions, which we have done with this trade in my opinion.
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i'm with woj when he said we should've waited on Shard-Arenas
why not see how the rest of the roster shakes out first before adding arenas
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yeah, that's the one thing I couldn't figure out
Why not try and see how it worked w/ Lewis back with Hedo? If it doesn’t work, then move him. Also feel like we could’ve used the PHX trade as leverage and asked for a pick in return from Wash. or a big to go along with Gil.
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very true.....esp. the part about a big.
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We had to get rid of Rashard while we could. Gil is likely an upgrade.
And if he does well, Arenas becomes tradeable again.
by Both_Teams_Played_ on Dec 18, 2010 4:14 PM EST up reply actions
agreed, I meant more along the lines of wait like 3 games. But its w/e
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I'm going to need a program to watch the games
(ok, not really, but yeah – a total churn of almost half the team and 2 starters)
dn ǝpıs sıɥʇ
Like Jerry Seinfeld said
We are largely just rooting for the clothes at this point – and I’m OK with that.
dn ǝpıs sıɥʇ
by EnnBee on Dec 18, 2010 4:14 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
i love that bit
its all about the laundry
Abracadabra homes
by nowuseemenowudont on Dec 18, 2010 4:15 PM EST up reply actions
pietrus, i'll cry : (
"Pietrus is a Guadeloupan God." - TheNole9Yards
"I don't want a massage I want a FACIAL!"
--stay strong, Stacey King.
I can't stand losing Pietrus or picking up Arenas.
I just don’t get it.
"We just want to chill" - Chris Bosh.
Proud Jameer and Rashard apologist since '07
neither can I! i love peaches
"Pietrus is a Guadeloupan God." - TheNole9Yards
"I don't want a massage I want a FACIAL!"
--stay strong, Stacey King.
cant believe we made a complete overhaul
adjusting 2k11 roster now to see how they play in the virtual world
Abracadabra homes
by nowuseemenowudont on Dec 18, 2010 4:12 PM EST reply actions
how long will it take for our "chemistry" to recover from this? :(((
and how long before Arenas brings a gun to the locker room?
I'm a girl.
I can't even get excited about Hedo coming back *sobs*
I'm a girl.
by TheGiantSquid on Dec 18, 2010 4:16 PM EST up reply actions
mean
he was my favorite when he was here!
…at least I still have his jersey.
I'm a girl.
by TheGiantSquid on Dec 18, 2010 4:17 PM EST up reply actions
A black Hedo jersey is tops on my wish list now
Proudly mocking the Disciples of Panic (some Magic fans) since October 29, 2010.
by funny80sguy on Dec 20, 2010 12:25 PM EST up reply actions
Probably learned his lesson on the gun thing
We won’t even have an idea until after the all star break and probably not until next season.
I guess this is what Otis meant about being willing to take a step back this year for improving the future. Let’s hope he’s right.
dn ǝpıs sıɥʇ
but I don't wanna take a step back >:(
/irrational
I'm a girl.
by TheGiantSquid on Dec 18, 2010 4:18 PM EST up reply actions
if this fails i'll......
"Pietrus is a Guadeloupan God." - TheNole9Yards
"I don't want a massage I want a FACIAL!"
--stay strong, Stacey King.
anyone know when pietrus is a FA lmao
"Pietrus is a Guadeloupan God." - TheNole9Yards
"I don't want a massage I want a FACIAL!"
--stay strong, Stacey King.
lol I don't think you can afford him on your own
I'm a girl.
by TheGiantSquid on Dec 18, 2010 4:19 PM EST up reply actions
ahaha....it says he's got 1 more year and a player option? he NEEEDS to be in ORL : /
"Pietrus is a Guadeloupan God." - TheNole9Yards
"I don't want a massage I want a FACIAL!"
--stay strong, Stacey King.
The option is worth like $5.8 mill
He certainly would’ve been picking that option up.
"It can be done, you can just crush somebody" -svg
yes i think it's 5.8 for each yr left on the contract
"Pietrus is a Guadeloupan God." - TheNole9Yards
"I don't want a massage I want a FACIAL!"
--stay strong, Stacey King.
you just want him for Chicago, don't ya
I'm a girl.
by TheGiantSquid on Dec 18, 2010 4:22 PM EST up reply actions
...nooo............*shifty eyes*
"Pietrus is a Guadeloupan God." - TheNole9Yards
"I don't want a massage I want a FACIAL!"
--stay strong, Stacey King.
maybe for your own apartment.... :D
I'm a girl.
by TheGiantSquid on Dec 18, 2010 4:24 PM EST up reply actions
LOL i'll take DROSE
"Pietrus is a Guadeloupan God." - TheNole9Yards
"I don't want a massage I want a FACIAL!"
--stay strong, Stacey King.
(....together with Peaches? >:D)
I'm a girl.
by TheGiantSquid on Dec 18, 2010 4:26 PM EST up reply actions
nahh just rose, im no polygamist!
"Pietrus is a Guadeloupan God." - TheNole9Yards
"I don't want a massage I want a FACIAL!"
--stay strong, Stacey King.
I didn't say you had to MARRY them :D
:DDDDDDDDDDD
I'm a girl.
by TheGiantSquid on Dec 18, 2010 4:28 PM EST up reply actions
wow. seriously, a Celtic in Orlando
Lame
"It can be done, you can just crush somebody" -svg
Time to head over to the newest post, everyone.
Haters gonna hate.
by MoveThoseChains on Dec 18, 2010 4:23 PM EST reply actions
thanks for the heads up!
"Pietrus is a Guadeloupan God." - TheNole9Yards
"I don't want a massage I want a FACIAL!"
--stay strong, Stacey King.
Does this mean you guys are going to sign Adonal Foyle Out of Retirement Now?
:-D
Tony.psd = Da Man
Manager of Welcome to Loud City
#1 Warriors, Thunder, and Adonal Foyle Fan
lol omg that would be awesome XD
I'm a girl.
by TheGiantSquid on Dec 18, 2010 4:26 PM EST up reply actions
Why would Otis trade all these pieces
To basically get Hedo back? Now we are locked into two long term contracts for players that haven’t contributed much in the last few years to their respective teams.
If you were a man I would punch you, right in the mouth.
What about JRich
This was not just getting Hedo back. The Magic also got the Suns leading scorer who can get to the rim and is shooting 42% from deep.
That’s not nothing.
I hope the Magic got some name tags in one of these trades
For one year
I am thinking long term, as in after this year when Dwight can opt out after next season, while we sport Hedo and Gilbert as our two next best players after Howard.
If you were a man I would punch you, right in the mouth.
If JRich fits in and the team does well
Why would you worry about him re-signing?
I hope the Magic got some name tags in one of these trades
Stan's gonna be a dick and start Hedo @ PF
With Richardson @ SF and Gil @ SG
by Ol' Uncle Munnerlyn on Dec 18, 2010 5:12 PM EST reply actions
Nash tweeted this
Steve Nash: Just found out Earl Clark @Earl Clark is in the trade. Nobody worked harder this year, improved and deserves a chance more. Good luck, E!
That's actually awesome to hear
I’m really intrigued by Earl Clark. If he can figure out how to make use of his natural gifts in the NBA he could be really quite good.
I hope the Magic got some name tags in one of these trades
Oh, and the people crying about not being able to re-sign Dwight
We have his bird rights, so what are you whining about?
by Ol' Uncle Munnerlyn on Dec 18, 2010 5:33 PM EST reply actions
Cleveland had LeBron's too. Toronto had Bosh's.
"We just want to chill" - Chris Bosh.
Proud Jameer and Rashard apologist since '07
If Dwight really wants to leave, he'll force us into agreeing to a sign and trade
Dwight gets the 6th year, and the Magic get some compensation, even if its just a draft pick. No matter what, we can’t lose dwight and be successful
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