Kennedy: Orlando Magic, Washington Wizards Close to Trading Rashard Lewis for Gilbert Arenas, and More Magic Moves Potentially on the Way
by Evan Dunlap on Dec 18, 2010 4:07 AM EST
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The Orlando Magic may announce a trade of Rashard Lewis to the Washington Wizards for Gilbert Arenas as soon as Saturday, Alex Kennedy of HOOPSWORLD reports, culminating a wild Friday night as rumors about the Magic's interest in the veteran shooting guard kicked into the highest of gears; please see the first two posts on the subject here and here.
Further, Kennedy says Magic franchise center Dwight Howard is pushing the team to make a deal, and Orlando continues to shop a package of swingman Vince Carter and backup center Marcin Gortat elsewhere around the league. From Kennedy's report:
One league source believes the roster changes in Orlando are being made to appease Dwight Howard, who hasn't been in a rush to sign a contract extension with the organization. Howard could opt out of his contract after next season and the Magic will do whatever it takes to keep their franchise player happy.
"I think they know they have to make a play since Dwight will be a free agent soon," said one source.
Kennedy says Orlando has engaged teams including the Denver Nuggets, Phoenix Suns, and Portland Trail Blazers to make a second deal, perhaps involving the aforementioned package of Carter and Gortat. Among the players discussed is Phoenix forward Hedo Turkoglu, who spent five seasons with Orlando, only to sign with the Toronto Raptors in the 2009 free-agency period. "Lon Babby, the president of basketball operations in Phoenix, allegedly didn't make the trip to Dallas recently so that he could continue working the phones," according to Kennedy.
Andrew Melnick of Howard the Dunk, citing a source, also says Howard is driving the Magic's desire to make a trade.
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I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Dec 18, 2010 4:31 AM EST up reply actions
Uh, really? Way to be shortsighted. Good thing he wasn't lights out in our finals run our anything.
*oh wait.
Wow
Have you guys already forgotten about how critical he was to us in the 2008 playoffs? Sure he isn’t as good as he was back then, pretty much sucks now, but give credit where credit is due.
I dont think he was
ever worth the money we were paying him though. If he’s not shooting lights out, its not like he plays great defense or anything
Of course he wasn't.
Only 3-4 players could live up to that contract.
Kinda have to get over that, the contract isn’t his fault.
He took it didnt he
We signed a 22 and 6 player and he hasnt lived up to that since Day 1. I swear people defend him just to defend him
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by Souwantmyname on Dec 18, 2010 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
if you don't understand market value
you’ll always want players to live up to “fan” expectations
Atlanta will win a championship....someday
And this kind of reaction is why I hate Orlando fans.
The dude played well for us for 3 years. He was the 2nd best player on the team during the Finals run. Remember when he torched Philly to clinch in Game 6 when Dwight was on the bench? Yeah.
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Yeah I am gonna miss Rashard the person and player
Just won’t miss the contract. He is trying. Watching the games he is doing what his bod is allowing him to do.
wrong
Dwight, Hedo were the two best players on that team
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by Souwantmyname on Dec 18, 2010 1:25 PM EST up reply actions
I swear people attack Lewis just to attack him
Haters gonna hate.
by MoveThoseChains on Dec 18, 2010 1:27 PM EST up reply actions
Nice reply fail
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by Souwantmyname on Dec 18, 2010 1:31 PM EST up reply actions
I meant to reply to you. No fail here, except your statement.
Haters gonna hate.
by MoveThoseChains on Dec 18, 2010 1:33 PM EST up reply actions
wrong. Dwight, Lewis were. Dwight & Hedo were the year before that.
And for most of the year, actually, It was Dwight & Jameer as the 2 best until Jameer got hurt. Lewis stepped up in the clutch. Turk hit 1 shot in 1st round, while shooting < 40% in the playoffs
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nice
if we can trade rashard for arenas that woudl be sick..but if we can keep carter too that would be even better..i wonder who else we would get from washington
they work out straight up
both teams benefit equally. Washington gets rid of injury prone/bloated contract/locker room cancer/ and we get rid of a healthy/bloated contract/role player.
We are counting on Arenas to regain and maintain his once all star level play
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by Souwantmyname on Dec 18, 2010 4:31 AM EST up reply actions
he's been playin solid this year so far
plus he can penetrate and kick it out to wide open Nelson, Carter, Bass, or dump it into Howard. If he’s healthy we will be hard to stop becasue all those guys can hit wide open shots, and Howard would dominate 1 on 1
Solid?
Lew has sucked ass all year. He’s been frequently been missing those wide open shits, hit percentages are down, his rebounding is down, etc…
by Ol' Uncle Munnerlyn on Dec 18, 2010 4:43 AM EST up reply actions
Oh, right. Well, might as well elaborate on how bad Lew is for one last time (hopefully).
by Ol' Uncle Munnerlyn on Dec 18, 2010 4:50 AM EST up reply actions
gotta get the last dig's in while we can
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by Souwantmyname on Dec 18, 2010 4:51 AM EST up reply actions
indeed.... wha?
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by Souwantmyname on Dec 18, 2010 4:51 AM EST up reply actions
They're not trading the 1st, though...
by Ol' Uncle Munnerlyn on Dec 18, 2010 4:59 AM EST up reply actions
Why would we care about our 1st round pick?
of your not in the lottery then late 1st rd. picks are worse than 2nd round picks since they are guaranteed
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by Souwantmyname on Dec 18, 2010 5:10 AM EST up reply actions
Houston's season just went in the crapper
We need to work out something there
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
pretty sure we could get Battier for cheap at this point
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by Souwantmyname on Dec 18, 2010 4:55 AM EST up reply actions
Now that you mention..
The Magic should try this: Carter and Gortat for Battier, C. Lee and a third player or, a First Round pick. We get defense, speed, youth in Lee, who should have NEVER left Town.
That's what I thought when I heard the Gortat/Carter rumors
Battier would be amazing on this team….
He would be. But I don't know if Morey would give him up already.
But maybe with the Yao news, it’s inevitable that the team will get dismantled now. Sad, I always liked watching them play.
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Martin still isnt the offensive powerhouse that I feel the Magic need to win it all
If he played defense like a Reggie Miller that would be different but alas that is not the case
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by Souwantmyname on Dec 18, 2010 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
Battier would be sick
also its too bad we cant get hinrich and trade duhon..hinrich would b such a good back up pg for this team
Pietrus and Malik Allen for Battier?
Peaches only has 2 years left on his contract while Battier’s is expiring after this year
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by Souwantmyname on Dec 18, 2010 5:12 AM EST up reply actions
Trade for Iguodala
C’mon. I’ve been wanting to see the guy win for so long.
Give BEAS (Peace, for all you slowheads) a chance ;)
Wesley Johnson is man crush worthy. But only when he's making shots.
Super Beas > You
I would welcome Turk back
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Yeah, as much as I miss Hedo's antics...
That contract = no no.
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When exactly did James Dolan buy the team?
Is Dave Checketts the new GM?
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Shard hasn't been the same since Hedo left
I remember when he won the poll by a landslide for favorite player after Dwight, now look. I’d be thrilled to get Arenas for Shard, and if we could maybe include Duhon and Q. Rich in another trade (not even really caring for who, just want to see improvement) my opinion of Otis would turn right back around.
Even if we retain trade chips to pull another major deal, does this means we are officially out of the Carmelo race?
Dwight said “we need our wings to defend better”. In the highly unlikely scenario where we get arenas for lewis and anthony for carter + stuff, our wings D would be sub par. Dou you think Carmelo and Arenas can play together and Orlando still be able to play solid team defense?
Ric Bucher
Said in one of his chats VC plus gortat would be enough for Iggy. I’m gonna guess Iggy, Kapono, Spencer hawes would be the package. I would consider us Boston lite also of Dwight does leave we can say we surrounded him with better talent then Cleveland and Toronto for their stars and we would at least have Iggy if he did leave.
This the trade
Basically did it as three way to make it easier. I’m not saying this the real trade. More of how it will look.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2ejjue5
that would be preferred
to this alleged PHX rumor.
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Well if it's Jason Richardson
Thatd not bad. He could play the three. Man no defense though. As a side thought. I love Paul but don’t want him anymore. You guys reading about his knees?? Could be Brandon Roy all over again. Not buying him. Seriously we gotta do due diligence.
yeah I like Richardson
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let me jump on the richardson bandwagon. this is someone i have long thought would be great in the magic system.
and, if it means arenas and richardson, i’m game. any chance he would agree to extension as opposed to becoming a fa?
by thejugs on Dec 18, 2010 1:03 PM EST up reply actions
tough to say, but
With the lack of cap space that would be available to Orlando (that is to say, none) we would prob. have to come to that b4 he is a FA. I don’t think we would have his bird rights, but then again, I am not an expert on such things like that.
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cool, thanks Mark.
that is what I thought, but wasn’t sure if that player is in the last year of his contract. thanks for clearing that up.
With that being said, I would love to have him, let it expire, then try and re-sign @ a cheaper rate.
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Of how it could look.
Throw in a pick to Washington from what I have read. The contracts match up. And for all intents and purposes VC was great with the young Nets. Maybe he could be great for the young 6ers.
This may surprise you...
…but many of us at Bullets Forever are crapping ourselves in terror over this “deal”…
by Bullet Nation in Exile on Dec 18, 2010 9:06 AM EST reply actions
u should be
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by AB's triple double on Dec 18, 2010 10:38 AM EST up reply actions
I am seeing reports now that Jason Richardson and Hedo might be in some sort of package now and Gilbert still as well..
link?
I’d like to read about that
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oh ok, nvm, Its the same one that was posted above.
Thought you meant at first that we’d swing Arenas somewhere else after, which would be a miracle haha
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Everything I've seen of Hedo since he left
points to him (and his contract) not being a good fit here.
Rashard for Arenas makes a lot more sense than Carter for Arenas. I would have liked sending both to WAS if Heinrich and J. Howard were included in return, but without Heinrich it would not look as appealing.
There is one factor which necessitates trading Vince in order to have a reasonable replacement for him – unless if we are satisfied with J.J. as the replacement – and that is we are not going to be under salary cap any time soon, so we cannot sign the replacement through the free agency market. But allowing his contract to expire – or bought out for $4M next season – erases about $17M off our books for good.
Trading Rashard for Arenas has its own pros and cons:
Pros: a) we trade a long term contract for another long term contract although there is an extra year on Arenas’ contract; b) we can move Vince to SF and use Arenas at SG which provides a potent offensive line.
Cons: a) while we shed a total of $4M for the next two years, we carry the whole salary of Arenas for the third year leaving us with a net negative of about $13M; b) while Rashard’s decline could be mental or temporary – still shooting decent from 3-point range – but he is in good condition physically, the same could not be stated about Arenas, and in fact all numbers prove that his physical abilities have been somewhat diminished; and c) Rashard has been an exemplary team-mate with mild manners, but Arenas is not in the same mold.
The length of cons versus pros do not mean that cons exceed pros. In fact, it is hard to quantify the pros and cons. If I had more time on my hand I could quantify the pros and cons by giving each a weighted percentage – however subjective – to reach a more acceptable conclusion, but my gut feeling is that while we lose in swapping the two salaries (about $13M), the advantages are not clear. In fact, we receive a less desirable shooter while I am not sure his knees would hold up through the rigors of – still – a long season ahead, especially that now we are expecting more of him playing within a contending team.
In conclusion, my feeling is mixed for this trade – if it happens – but Otis Smith, under undue pressure due to recent non-representative games, feels obliged to roll the dice. Since I wish the team well, I hope that it all works out. In general, I think that trading Rashard for Arenas is less risky – especially in terms of salary figures on the books – than Vince for Arenas while none are risk-free. Only the future will show whether Otis Smith emerges as a hero or a fool.
Nice summary. Even though I think he is gone, Do you think that VC can really be effective at the 3?
He seems too undersized to me.
It seems like I was wrong about the Magic not making a trade. My rationale was that there were really no good trades out there. That doesn’t seem to be a hindrance.
Also, on another topic and directed to everyone, if Hedo returns to Orlando (as some are predicting) should we take that as an admission from Otis that letting him go was a mistake? And if it was, how big a financial mistake was it? (I mean, how much have we spent on various players instead of just paying Hedo what he wanted?)
I also have it, on my own authority, that I am an expert on this stuff.
The 2011 Hedo Turkoglu is not going to be the same Hedo we saw in 2007-2008.
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by North of the South on Dec 18, 2010 10:12 AM EST up reply actions
I don't like Hedo back, especially with Vince in the mix.
I will agree that Hedo was highly priced at the time, especially since we were pegging all our hopes on Vince. Otis Smith has been notorious in allowing some players, who seek their chances in free agency market, to go. Examples: 1) Deshawn Stevenson, who has been revived in WAS and now DAL, to be replaced with Keith Bogans; 2) Darko Milicic, this was a mistake, in my view – since he played very well with Dwight towards the end of his last year (case in point: the agame against SA in San Antonio). While the move shattered his future – who felt he had found a home in Orlando after the abuse in DET by Larry Brown, and to some extent by Brian Hill in Orlando – we never fully realized the potentials of a twin-tower combination with Darko at center with his shot blocking ability and a smooth jump-shot.
Sorry that I missed your first question. He has played the position, and would be fine against most SFs.
Vince is the same height as Richardson and Pietrus. He is lighter than Richardson (by 8 pounds) but heavier than Pietrus (by 5 pounds).
But it is just one move. We still have VC and Gortat.
With a second trade there are more pros overall.
by O-Town MagiCane on Dec 18, 2010 10:11 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Will Arenas share the ball?
One of the reasons of Lewis decline is he wasn´t getting enough touches. Jameer Nelson is a shoot-first PG. Vince needs the ball to be successful. Dwight demands the ball…. and Arenas is kind of a ballhog.
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by North of the South on Dec 18, 2010 10:11 AM EST up reply actions
'Meer is a shoot-best* pg, not a shoot-first. He doesn't look for his own shot every time he goes down the court.
He makes shots when asked. Gil could be a blessing in this sense.
My mistake. I should´ve said "a PG that prefers scoring than to rack up the assists".
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by North of the South on Dec 18, 2010 10:16 AM EST up reply actions
Except he's averaging over 7 assists per game this year.
And that’s only in like 33 minutes (don’t have time to look up the exact figure right now).
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I'm going to stay positive and try to believe that Otis is a positive influence in Arenas and that Stans strong presence will keep him in check.
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by North of the South on Dec 18, 2010 10:20 AM EST up reply actions
What no one realizes/has brought up:
We’ll all be happy since RyRy and BeeboiBass get playing time.
/cue arguments over who starts/who plays more minutes/Polega’s ghost arguing we play Malik Allen over Ryan.
by fwedo on Dec 18, 2010 10:12 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
Yeah no kidding.
That would be a steal. Not on the same level but they would keep those two and that would be our power forward rotation would be an absolute steal. Like when the Lakers kept Bynum, Odom, and all their good players in the Gasol trade. I could really see us getting Iguodala. But just looking at the Arenas trade. How could Otis go to the DeVos family and say “I am trading an expiring contract while also adding a near 30 year old with a bad contract to add to our Rashard contract.” Otis would be fired just for saying that. I honestly he has been holding out for Washington to give in to Lewis. Now if he were to present Carter for Iggy ownership could buy that. Just entering his prime. Reasonable contract(only 11 mil a year which is great to be our second option) good in the community, hungry and will help offensively as well as defensively.
So, after this trade- Our lineup:
Nellie- J Will- Ducon
Arenas- Redick
VC- Pietrus?- Richardson?
Bass- Anderson
D12- Gortat
Note- It’s only after this.
who would of thought we would be arguably the greatest of all time
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i would rather make trades with houston but
otis thinks otherwise oh well we would still contend for a championship
I'll wait and reserve judgement...
But I don’t see how this ends well for us. Of course I’ll accept and hope/pray for the best case scenario, but pragmatically I don’t see how this solves our problems.
Our problem this year is that our defense has absolutely TERRIBLE. We haven’t been able to stop teams from getting into the paint and scoring easy buckets. Does Arenas solve this problem? No way.
I feel like we’re chasing points on offense but that’s not the problem. We’re not playing tough defense, and giving up easy shots. Made baskets lead to less rebounds, less turnovers, and less transition opportunities and easy baskets for us. We’re scoring less points because we’re not getting transition buckets because teams are converting on the offensive end.
I don’t mind trades, I just don’t think that the one(s) we’re about to make are going to solve the overwhelming issue of poor defense. Especially considering how complex SVG’s schemes and rotations are, overhauling the roster at this point seems ill advised and possibly a net negative.
Just hope it is Carter/Gortat for Iguodala
If i is that everything will be good.
Nelson-Jay Will
Arenas=J.J.
Iggy-Piertrus
Bass-Anderson
Dwight-Hawes
From the way it looks
Orlando is waiting for a spot to drop Carter and Gortat off so to announce the two trades at the same time.
Bro reply
Lol. So now that we know Gil is coming, how does everyone feel. I am glad. Would love to see him play off Dwight. I think Dwight would sign an extension in the offseason if we get Igodala.
Only if Gil changes his number to 3
because having an erratic combo guard wearing 3 equates to draft success…
Brandon Bass and Ryan Anderson are special in their own ways. OK?
Can't wait to see how the day unfolds
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by AB's triple double on Dec 18, 2010 10:43 AM EST reply actions
Best scenario for trading VC and Gortat is with Houston.
by O-Town MagiCane on Dec 18, 2010 10:43 AM EST reply actions
Yeah 6 guards:
Nelson/Duhon/Williams at PG
Martin/Arenas/Redick at SG (This doesn’t even count Pietrus at SG)
Arenas can play both, and he is actually primarily a point guard. Would have to think Martin would be the starting SG, or maybe even potentially the starting SF since he is 6’7. He is so tiny for his height though.
For what thought
I don’t see them trading Kevin Martin. I don’t mind Houston but that is a lot of money to make contracts match up.
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by Memphissleek on Dec 18, 2010 10:57 AM EST via mobile reply actions
LULZ
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fo real...................yo
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by AB's triple double on Dec 18, 2010 1:41 PM EST up reply actions
Just as an FYI
The fact that it is quiet right now is a good thing. Deals are getting done, physicals are getting done. Press for the teams are probably trying to set up press conferences.
Rashard for Arenas is almost a decent move.
But Vince/Gortat for Hedo? Seriously? Again, we make ourselves encumbered with an enormous contract on an overrated player likely past his prime. At least Arenas is, what, 28? Hedo is older than god.
How long is Hedo’s contract for? I’m pretty sure it’s a lot longer than Vince’s.
Two more years
Apparently he waived the last year of the deal to get out of Toronto. Owed $23 million over the next 2 years.
is that for real?
Still I want Iguodala. I think he wants us as well. Get to play with Dwight?? Who wouldn’t?
FASTBREAK FTW!
who would of thought we would be arguably the greatest of all time
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I want Gerald Wallace.
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That's not horrible...but not great.
I think we can do a lot better, for less money. Hope Otis isn’t simply trying to recapture the old magic (lolz pun intended).
Evan stated that already
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ESPN finally woke up to this rumor
But they are on yesterday’s news thinking that Carter is for Arenas. I think the Arenas trade is a done deal and we are just for a place to put Carter.
BSPN is always late to everything
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Would Arenas play the 2?
He’d have to drastically change his game from his glory days in Washington. It seems the Magic would be better served by a player like Iguodala, a speedy wingman who can shoot or cut.
I’m afraid if Arenas comes in, Howard will never see the ball again. He’d throw off our entire offense. Unless he adapts. Which, admittedly, worked out great with Vince Carter……………………………………………………………….
Unless we trade Nellie.
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What if we get Melo?
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Dude- Everyone adapts to SVG's system
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Dudes
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He adapted- he is basically a 3 pt jump shooter, who doesn't iso and unless called for won't post up or drive
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Like Bass?
Like Barnes?
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Gil could dish!
Look at his team. He has to shoot—especially with John wall injured. And when Wall wasn’t injured, they’re pretty good together because wall could penetrate like nobody’s business. What is so bad about Washington is that 3 guard lineup with Hinrich. If they had a good 3 for the opposing d to worry about…Gil and Wall wouldve scary down the road
by Memphissleek on Dec 18, 2010 11:39 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I'm worried about the Magic becoming too small.
Right now, other than Nelson, the Magic’s lineup is a decent size, but if they start trading the likes of Lewis and Gortat for smaller forwards…they could get stuck deep in the playoffs against tough physical teams and not be able to match up.
Lewis for Arenas is probably ok because Bass has proven worthy of starting, and that would also mean more minutes for Anderson. But if Gortat goes with Carter, then an above average backup for Howard better be included.
by The BBQ Chicken Madness on Dec 18, 2010 11:31 AM EST reply actions
This could be the thinging in bringing back Turk.
A 6’10" small forward, a monster, traditional PF in Bass and Howard in the middle. Not a bad front court.
Which is why I think we are pushing hard for Philly
Spencer Hawes, I think could be coming back in a trade for Carter and Iguodala.
Biedrins?
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Only because that would be bringing in Monta Ellis
Not sure how JJ, Jameer, Monta and Gil all fit in the same backcourt.
DARKO?
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He's having a career year but even that isn't much
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I dont care
What the measuring tape says…Rashard is small.
by Memphissleek on Dec 18, 2010 11:41 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Meh, Anyone we get has to have awful FT's
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Just a thought on Hedo
His $ and length left is not a good fit, he will not be the same guy that he was when he was here 3 yrs ago, let alone being the guy from 4 yrs ago (his best statistical year)
Lastly, he worked best with Lewis at the 4. It would be a strange dynamic to have him w/o Lewis and w/ Brandon Bass. Just seems like it would be a square peg in a round hole type fit to me.
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did you read that turk only has 3 years left since he had to opt out of a year to leave toronto?
by thejugs on Dec 18, 2010 1:07 PM EST up reply actions
yes, what's your point?
That still doesn’t change that its 11+ mil a yr for 3 years to an older, slower, even MORE less athletic version of turk than he was years ago.
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I know
I don’t want anything to do with Hedo. Unless his contract has been modified where it is only a two year contract.
Im ok with it
IF we get Jason Richardson. While not trading for Arenas. I just read Hollinger saying that Richardson could play SF. And if Richardson leaves we have JJ ready to start. Otis can present this to ownership and not have to make huge arguments with them. We are dumping someone who is done, VC, and one of our assets, Gortat, to get a younger more dynamic Jason Richardson and also apparently the ability to waive Hedo in two years.
The silence is starting to kill me.
I would imagine we would announce trades before the game tonight.
Yeah, Evan's traffic is prob. through the roof right now.
noticed a ton of “new” names (or possibly just not reg. posters) and he tweeted earlier to his “new followers” on Twitter that they can follow the just OPPblog feed if they don’t want to follow him. So yeah, this place is Blowin’ Up!
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Apparently SVG does is hesitant about Arenas the player
Ownership the deal. IF we pull this off and bring Arenas, Turk, and Richardson, where the heck would everyone play??? Everyone could play off everyone fine, but to me it would be the minutes that I am worried about.
i guess players would have to take one 4 the team
or trade players for money or 2nd round draft picks or just waive em idk
I could be but it probably isn't
It would still be very interesting to watch the players’ attitude in the 76ers game.
nope
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“The length of his contract and health probably have been more of my concerns,” Smith said. “With the length of his contract, you’re always concerned about taking on more, of course. That’s always been one of my concerns. I know a little bit more detail about Gilbert off the court and who he is as a person. He’s probably similar to the guys we have in the locker room right now. I would say that sometimes good people make dumb decisions, and he’s one of those guys.”
So, JJ Redick is packing?!?!?!
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by Souwantmyname on Dec 18, 2010 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
I hope not, unless we get Battier in return
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by AB's triple double on Dec 18, 2010 1:45 PM EST up reply actions
haha.......ooops
but i still stand by my comment damn it!!!!!
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by AB's triple double on Dec 18, 2010 1:47 PM EST up reply actions
Josh Robbins and Otis Smith both refer to the results on the West Coast trip as a determining factor.
Why would it matter when – not in a single game on the trip – the team had all players available? Are they blind to the fact that the trip could not be considered a representative sample? I am beginning to seriously believe in the theory of 4%/96% leader/follower, and even expand the same to wise/unwise.
Don't believe everything that is told to the media from Otis
He uses that as an excuse, when in reality it probably has a little to do with the play as of late, and more to do with Dwight’s feelings toward these current players and the chances he resigns w/ Orlando. (or signs the extension)
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I agree, that would a perfect trade for the Magic in my oppinion
Sure, then I’d need to start watching the Sixers but…
I like that deal as well.
Just don’t know if 76ers would. The good thing bout a rumored PHX move is if J-Rich comes here w/ Turk, he’d be a PERFECT fit for this offense/team. He’s a tougher Carter from 3 yrs ago.
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If we land Arenas
can we makes shirts that say, “Guns Permitted in the Arenas”?
-FLORIDA STATE SEMINOLES-;;-►
by Blood, Sugar, Sex, ORLANDO Magic on Dec 18, 2010 1:17 PM EST reply actions
Sweet! I'd love to wear 1 to a game.
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We still have that bullet proof hockey glass from the Solar Bears right?
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by Souwantmyname on Dec 18, 2010 1:48 PM EST up reply actions
hahaha
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I think I just read
Maybe just a deal of VC and Gortat for Hedo and Richardson. I could see that as well. Rashard needed Hedo. Man that would make our front line big again while also giving us a dynamic 2.
I read that off twitter.
Basically recreate the Finals team but Richardson is the new SG. I don’t understand a trade of Lewis for Arenas plus getting Hedo and Richardson. When will everyone play? Are they making games longer and I missed something?
im cool with keeping rashard and adding turk and j.rich
but we gotta do something with the 5position
Daniel Orton
Is gonna have to grow up real quick real fast. I mean really fast. AND SVG will have to be patient. Seriously Tensions are high enough in the town, the city, the players, he would have to be patient with him and the new guys.
I think so
But get him healthy and gonna have to play him. Gonna have to develop him like we did with Courtney.
I dont want Hedo and that contract anywhere near the Magic
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by Souwantmyname on Dec 18, 2010 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
Also for those wondering what to do about the backup center
Wait for waived players come Feburary or March I think. I am sure there are guys out there who can split 10 minutes to give Dwight a break.
queue jeapordy music
as everyone wwaits it out…i thought the news would be out once I woke up this morning, guess i was wrong….only 10:43 on the westcoast, hopefully by the end of my nap new is out…..zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
this works under the cap, and maybe makes some sense:
orl-
arenas
richardson
turkoglu
wash-
lewis
duhon
pho-
carter
blatche
by thejugs on Dec 18, 2010 1:44 PM EST reply actions
beat you to it.
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