Source: Orlando Magic in "Serious" Trade Talks, Could Announce "Major" Deal Tomorrow
by Evan Dunlap on Dec 17, 2010 9:33 PM EST
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PrintA reliable source has indicated to Orlando Pinstriped Post that the Orlando Magic could make a trade using "major pieces" as soon as tomorrow, pegging the chances of such a deal occurring at "70-to-80, almost 90 percent." This news comes shortly after Adrian Wojnarowski of Yahoo! Sports reported the Magic and Washington Wizards have moved close to a trade that would send Wizards shooting guard Gilbert Arenas to Orlando, likely in return for Vince Carter and a combination of "longer-term contracts" including backup center Marcin Gortat. I reported about Arenas talks between Orlando and Washington two weeks ago, but as Wojnarowski points out, those talks have increased in intensity of late:
Sources said Orlando has escalated its pursuit of a deal in recent days. After losing five of their past six games, the Magic have shown more urgency to find a perimeter scorer who can help them stay a viable contender in the Eastern Conference.
Also noteworthy is the detail that Arenas has "told people for days" he believes he's Orlando-bound.
This season is Arenas' first fully healthy one since the 2006/07 season, when the former Arizona Wildcat earned an All-Star roster spot with per-game averages of 28.4 points, 4.6 rebounds, 6 assists, and 1.9 steals. But three operations on his left knee since then have robbed him of the quickness and explosiveness that made him such a tough cover in his prime years.
During the current campaign, Arenas has averaged 18 points, 3.5 rebounds, 5.8 assists, and 1.5 steals. His field-goal numbers from the floor (39.4 percent) and three-point range (32.4 percent) have dropped below the acceptable range. Moreover, Arenas simply can't draw fouls like he used to; he averages 3.2 free-throw attempts per game, down from a career average of 7.2 and, in the 2005/06 season, 10.
Indeed, concerns abound about Arenas' fit with the current Magic club, given his inefficient offense, well-documented inattentiveness on defense, and his contract. Arenas is owed $62.4 million in the three seasons after this one, according to ShamSports.
On the other hand, Arenas has still shown he can get a shot off. Perhaps too well. But on an Orlando team with a stagnant, unimpressive offense so far this season, Arenas could provide a perimeter scoring option, though I contend that Carter is still better suited for that task than Arenas.
Even if this rumored trade falls apart in the end, it appears as though Carter's days in Orlando are numbered. A source Steve Kyler consulted told the HOOPSWORLD editor that Orlando is "looking at a lot of things," which Kyler believes means the Magic intend to use Carter's semi-expiring deal in a trade very soon.
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just wondering…would you call yourself objective?
by thejugs on Dec 17, 2010 9:41 PM EST reply actions
oh…and where’s the acceptable line?! is that where the free throw line meets the three point line?
by thejugs on Dec 17, 2010 9:42 PM EST up reply actions
This will be Otis Smith's defining moment as GM of the Magic
This only has 2 possible outcomes if in fact he does deal for Arenas:
1) This blows up in his face and he could see himself out of a job very shortly
2) This somehow works and the Magic are a better team than currently constructed
I would put the % of each outcome at 85% and 15%, respectively. Also, for my money, I would sadly bet on the first scenario. SMDH.
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85/15?
where do you people come up with this? how does one come to a conclusion of 85/15 and not 80/20?
and, is there a 3rd option, where, we are neither helped or hurt?
by thejugs on Dec 17, 2010 9:47 PM EST up reply actions
that is my estimate of how likely/unlikely something will happen.
and no, there is no option that it will neither help nor hurt. If Gil comes in here and is just like Carter, that is not good, and I would consider it a major failure do to the contract years and dollars remaining on Gil’s deal. So no, there is no 3rd option IN MY OPINION. Jerk.
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i like miller’s contract but think he offers less to our offense.
by thejugs on Dec 17, 2010 10:22 PM EST up reply actions
No. Please no.
Too many prior injuries. Likely on the decline. Definite head case.
The Magic may need to make a trade. Just not this one.
by RussL on Dec 17, 2010 9:48 PM EST via mobile reply actions
and for the record…although i’ve advocated for arenas…isn’t ellis the younger version of arenas with the better contract?
never would have put ellis/bedrins in the realistic category, but if they offered is there really a better deal?
clearly, we could move to bedrins and fill out whatever else we need!
by thejugs on Dec 17, 2010 9:49 PM EST reply actions
Except for the fact that that ISNT a REAL trade posibility at the moment, and this is.
Obviously it would be a better trade to get LBJ or Wade for VC, but I don’t think that is going to happen either.
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are you really suggesting that eliis/biedrins is like wade/bron for vc?! i mean…it was a thread posted today…i didnt make it up. and, from what i remember, the source laughed at the proposal!
so, what’s the diff b/t ellis and arenas? if we’re willing to add that type of player, why not make it ellis?
you must still be mad about the 85% thing?! “JERK”
by thejugs on Dec 17, 2010 10:07 PM EST up reply actions
the dif. like I said, is that this is a trade that is ACTUALLY being discussed, unlike your imaginary Ellis trade
The lebron/wade comparison was to mock the Ellis trade idea you wrote about.
And no, I am not “still mad” about the 85/15 thing, you just made an idiotic comment. Although I can see why you would make that connection, because your questioning my opinion on the likeliness of the results that I think might occur was also idiotic.
You got upset by me saying that it most likely wouldn’t be a good trade for Orlando is because you are blinded by your opinion that Gil will be an upgrade to Carter. At least in my post I gave it a 15% chance of working. I would have liked to call you something else earlier, but I am trying to abide by Evan’s request to keep these message boards as clean as possible.
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i didnt imagine that. in fact, it was a discussion earlier. yes, evan’s source said it was false. yes, evan’s recent “rumor” about arenas was also “false.”
yes, you were mocking. but, would getting ellis and biedrins really be having my cake and eating it too? do we not have the assets to pull that trade off, assuming all parties were interested? (a big assumption, admittedly)
idiotic? really? so how did you come up with an 85% chance of failure? what was your formula? but as you said it, this is your OPINION. and i understand that. again, i ask, how did you come to the opinion of 85%?
im not really upset about anything. im really happy that there are all these rumors. im in favor of change at this point. but…but…i do care about who.
my top 5 trades, mostly imaginary, but some more reasonable than others:
1) melo- but, even though id rather have redick and gortat than favors and some picks, looks like we dont have the goods.
2) iggy- just makes sense to me…love his d. he gets his share of assists and makes a few 3 pts. again, maybe more reasonable than melo, but probably not gonna happen.
3) mayo- i really liked this idea. doesnt automatically require trading vince, which means cap relief, which can be good if we have 2 young solid sgs to replace him. also looks like we could get thabeet to replace gortat. not an upgrade, but better than not a young 7+ c.
4) ellis and biedrins- dont we know by now that no gm say yes, im trying as hard as possible to trade this player. this would hose their value. now that does not mean the rumor is true. but it does might there might be more legs than we thought. again, if were willing to trade for arenas, why not get the gs version of him in ellis and then either increase our domination at center or get value for biedrins.
5) arenas- i would definitely take arenas over miller. he’s the better scorer, more shots or not. although not an ideal fit, welcome to reality. i started to put stats but that already been said and done. again, this is just my pref.
as for carter, am i the only one concerned with reading about his tension with howard? he’s certainly not been great this year. is it possible that arenas could be an improvement from the chemistry stand point?
but yeah im an idiot so…it really doesnt matter. i guess you should be more worried that otis might second my thoughts…
by thejugs on Dec 17, 2010 10:46 PM EST up reply actions
arenas or miller?
can i get your thoughts on this one?
by thejugs on Dec 17, 2010 9:50 PM EST reply actions
oh…and i swear this will probably by my last post on this one…
i’ve wanted yi for a long time. he’s better than anderson. i know he’s injured but i prey will include him!
by thejugs on Dec 17, 2010 9:52 PM EST reply actions
Arenas would be a major mistake, unless
you guys get rid of the horrendous situation which is Rashard Lewis. Gilbert is a better player, but has a worse contract because it is longer. It is a fair trade to give up Rashard and get Gilbert for both sides. Vince for Gilbert is not fair because Vince is an expiring contract and then the Magic would be stuck with two massive contracts.
But the main reason that this is a bad trade is because it would make impossible the only thing that would turn the Magic into championship FAVORITES! I’ve been telling you guys for how long that the current Magic team is not a championship contender? Only recently has that thought not been met with “you’re just a troll comments.” I’ve also said that the best move out there, a possible move, is Melo. You would get a top 10 player, a PERFECT FIT for Dwight. As a Lakers fan, this is the move that I am frightened of because in my opinion the Magic would vault above the Lakers and the Celtics as favorites. So as a Lakers fan, i’m hoping that Gilbert comes to Orlando because it means Melo won’t be coming.
I only have this comment
you’re just a troll. Melo to Orlando is just as likely a Wade to Orlando. Get real.
by Both_Teams_Played_ on Dec 17, 2010 9:58 PM EST up reply actions
lol, you're preeching
I know it is unlikely, but it is still the best potential trade scenerio for the Magic. Was the Pau Gasol trade “unlikely” for the Lakers? What about Lebron/Bosh to Miami?
The Magic should make everyone available with the exception of Dwight to land melo. Trading Vince for Gilbert is a mistake because the Magic would get caught with two massive contracts.
ive yet to see someone argue for arenas instead of melo.
if we deal for arenas otis clearly knows we have no shot at melo!
by thejugs on Dec 17, 2010 9:58 PM EST up reply actions
What is the rush?
There is no need to make a move now, make sure all options for Melo are gone before signing Gilbert. And if you want Gilbert make sure you get rid of Rashard’s contract. It would make sense for the Wizards since Rashard has a shorter contract than Gilbert, they would be saving money, a lot of money.
I agree on Arenas for Rashard kindof...
I am very hesitant about Agent 0, but if you’re going to make a trade, it has to be Rashard for Arenas.
Both have ridiculous contracts and while Rashard’s may be a little more crazy in the money department, it’s also a year less. So, in that way, the business side could at least make some sense for both sides.
As for the basketball side, they obviously play different positions, but it could help the issues of too many power forwards (when Ryno comes back). Also, perhaps the Magic need a point guard if Jameer is being shopped in another deal – say to Denver (where Billups is getting older) as part of a Melo deal.
Not saying that is remotely likely (or even possible), but I’m trying to figure out what’s what.
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Agreed
Big contract for 3 years – Semi Expiring contract = not smart for the future now that everyone is worrying if Dwight will leave in a few years
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by TittyBrewsky on Dec 17, 2010 11:26 PM EST up reply actions
Of all the trades possible, Arenas is the one I'm most hesitant about.
The Magic already have a giant contract for a player that is quickly declining in Lewis. It seems like a massive risk to be stuck with 2 highly paid and underachieving starters who’s skills are going the wrong way.
Miller would be an upgrade over Duhon – but the Magic would really need to find a new backup, because Allen/Anderson/Bass isn’t a good plan. Melo would be a decent fit for what the Magic would have to give up – but it still seems unlikely they will get him.
by The BBQ Chicken Madness on Dec 17, 2010 9:55 PM EST reply actions
i still think lewis will be better without carter.
by thejugs on Dec 17, 2010 10:00 PM EST up reply actions
I think if we get Arenas it will be for Rashard
Their contracts are both similarly ridiculous, but each in their own way.
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its possible but do you really want the nelson arenas carter starting 5?
by thejugs on Dec 17, 2010 10:47 PM EST up reply actions
Hey, they would all be undersized for their respective positions!
Brilliant! :D
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by North of the South on Dec 17, 2010 10:49 PM EST up reply actions
quick question
Could this big news be Melo and not Gilbert or is it for sure Gilbert?
Mainly because Disney Land is in LA....Disney World is Orlando
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by TittyBrewsky on Dec 17, 2010 11:28 PM EST up reply actions
If Vince really gets traded…I’m pretty sorry for him. He failed miserably in his quest to forever shut everyone up and win a ring at home, He’s still a hall of famer in my opinion and has not been the problem this year at all as far as I’m concerned. What a strange career arc for him…….unreal numbers and never before reached levels of brilliance yet more criticized than almost anyone in the league for never hitting his ultimate apex. Sad.
by Guitarzan on Dec 17, 2010 9:57 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Vince for Arenas makes no sense.
The only deal that would make any sense would be Rashard and someone for Gilbert and Andray. I do not believe Otis is an idiot.
by Both_Teams_Played_ on Dec 17, 2010 10:03 PM EST up reply actions
^this
Vince for Arenas is a huge LOSE for the Magic. You would then have Rashard + Arenas ’s massive contracts. It makes no sense. Rashard for Arenas on the other hand makes PERFECT sense.
Exactly.
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by North of the South on Dec 17, 2010 10:12 PM EST up reply actions
if arenas, who a lot of people say is one of the worst contracts, can be traded, then so can rashard.
houston anyone?
by thejugs on Dec 17, 2010 10:48 PM EST up reply actions
he is rapidly declining not to mention has that horrible contract
you guys should avoid him.
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Melo makes the most sense for Orlando. Orlando makes the most sense for Melo. Not sure that a trade w/ Orlando makes the most sense for Denver though. Fingers crossed!
by RussL on Dec 17, 2010 10:01 PM EST via mobile reply actions
What a REAL shake up would look like...
I’ve gone over all possible trades with a friend, and came up with this scenario:
A THREE Team exchange; with a possible fourth team in the afterburner…
It would go like this:
Orlando ships Carter’s expiring contract to Phoenix, together with Jameer Nelson. In return, Orlando gets Nash and Richardson. Just THINK: The BEST all-around shooter AND passer in the NBA, plus a very good three-point shooter at the three…
I know… Nelson is Howard’s buddy; but you explain it to him as if he was a 9-year old child: "You WANT a Championship…? Then, we have to make a MOVE now… a BIG move. What do you want the MOST?" You also explain to Howard, that with Nash at the Point, he’ll NEVER have to look (and beg!) for the ball; the ball WILL find him… time after time. Good enough for ten ADDITIONAL points from Howard… per game! You also explain HOW Nash automatically makes EVERYONE on the Team, THAT much BETTER! And Richardson… well, he’s the icing on the cake… great shooter from the three. Guess what Howard will say… common… ONE guess…
Now… the second part of the three-way trade: We send Orton, Anderson and Bass over to Houston, and get Bathier and Courtney Lee. I know this one too… It’s a 3-for-2 deal. But Orton was a long, long shot anyway. It’s TOUGH giving up both Anderson AND Bass in any deal. They are young, talented and bring different, but greatly appreciated skills to the table. But here’s the thing… Orlando has to STOP playing a one-dimensional game. Orlando has to play to other teams WEAKNESSES; play the half-court game when the adversary likes the fast pace, but ALSO be able to RUN, RUN, RUN when the other team feels "comfy" with a slow pace. With Bathier and Lee, we get STRONGER in BOTH. Bathier is a lock-down defensive player to complement Pietrus, and has a good shooting touch too… and Lee, well he’s fast, versatile… and young! I’ve always felt that he BELONGED with the Magic… he’ll be coming Home again.
One final trade: Send Q. Richardson to Charlotte for their veteran center, Nazr Mohammed. This adds depth to the Magic bench at the Center position.
This is how the Magic will look like in this scenario:
Starting lineup: Nash(1)-JJ(2)-Richardson(3)-Lewis(4), with Williams-Duhon coming from the bench for Nash; Lee-Bathier for Redick; Bathier-Pietrus for Richardson; Gortat for Lewis; and Mohammed-Gortat for Howard. You could play Gortat with Mohammed in tandem as part of the second unit, or with Howard in a Twin-Towers set up. Now, THAT’S a lineup I want to see! And the money all matches too!
This IS a big shakeup, no question. But Van Gundy inferred that such a shakeup might be needed soon…
And I get Katy Perry in exchange for my wife as a trade kicker!
by Both_Teams_Played_ on Dec 17, 2010 10:04 PM EST up reply actions
Sounds good, I'm a fan of Nash (even at his current age), but it'll never happen.
I know some people say that Nash would be a win now deal, ’cause of his age and lack of D, but if he could help Howard and the Magic get 1 ring…. who cares about the future?
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by North of the South on Dec 17, 2010 10:11 PM EST up reply actions
Also...
This is the way to win NOW… not two or three years down the road. The Owner is NOT going to continue paying tens of millions of penalty taxes EACH year, for diminishing returns… the championship slipping further and further with each passing year! He’s NOT going to take it! And neither will Dwight… or, the fans who pay for our sparkling new Amway Center.
This trade will win Orlando a Championship NOW!
How does Arenas make the Magic better? Or is Orlando tanking the season early?
Is he a hustler? has great work ethics? Great defender? 3pt shooter? Good contract?
Okay, he scores… but how many shots does it takes for he to get there?
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by North of the South on Dec 17, 2010 10:02 PM EST reply actions
i think trading for gilbert would put orlando further behind boston and miami
boston is only going to get better when healthy…
by celticinorlando on Dec 17, 2010 10:03 PM EST reply actions
Please tell me the reliable source was Ping.
Brandon Bass and Ryan Anderson are special in their own ways. OK?
Or Mike Bianchi
Either of those hacks would be better. But Adrian Wojo is a real legitimate source. This sounds absolutely awful
by UCF Knight and Red Sox on Dec 17, 2010 10:18 PM EST up reply actions
i will call for the firing of otis if he brings arenas here for carter.
i will take arenas for shard tho.
Otis can't be doing this alone, right? I imagine he has to consult with SVG, for his opinion.
I find it hard to believe that Stan would think that Arenas will help the Magic in any way, shape or form.
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by North of the South on Dec 17, 2010 10:20 PM EST reply actions
but otis calls the shots right?
and no offense but otis sucks as a gm
oh yea just a sidenote bobcats are looking to trade wallace and jackson
Yes, Otis has the final word, but I mean, he can't just throw "Agent 0" at SVG and say: Deal with it.
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by North of the South on Dec 17, 2010 10:23 PM EST up reply actions
Dear Otis,
The point of a trade is upgrading your team. Not this.
kthxbye,
Just About Everyone
Haters gonna hate.
by MoveThoseChains on Dec 17, 2010 10:27 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Please Basketball gods let it not be Carter
The Wizards would literally be eliminating $23 million dollars of their books. $23!!!!! While we would be adding 17 more. I don’t mind Arenas as long as it is or Lewis. Please god no let it be for Carter.
But if it's not Carter, and it is Lewis who leaves:
What’s the starting lineup going to look like? Carter or Arenas would have to come off the bench, I presume.
Nelson, Carter/Arenas (?), Richardson, Bass, Howard.
Carter can’t play SF, neither does Arenas.
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by North of the South on Dec 17, 2010 10:35 PM EST up reply actions
It seems like (purely speculation, 100 my opinion.)
Q or pietrus are gonna end up somewhere. I mean i have no idea but they both get weird odd man outed a lot and if areanas comes in, I have no idea. But q and pietrus do seem to get shafted.
This does not look good if Vince is traded for Gil.
I will be so upset if that happens. Now if its Rashard for Gil…maybe. I hope this is simply a rumor. I would rather have NO trade than trade for Arenas.
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by Dome of the Rock on Dec 17, 2010 10:42 PM EST reply actions
On a side note
Why does the Sentinel not have anything on this story??? Seriously their paper is horrible most of the time. I think Josh(?) is the magic specific blogger. He is good. Everyone else sucks.
They are always WAAY behind
Even their blogs are updated more like a dead tree newspaper than other sites. Also, they probably have to be able to independently verify as well.
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by Reediculous on Dec 17, 2010 11:00 PM EST up reply actions
I liked the article yesterday
about Rashard coming off the bench. It was finally some investigative journalism with Schmitz asking a tough question to SVG and Lewis
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by TittyBrewsky on Dec 17, 2010 11:33 PM EST up reply actions
I trust Otis. As nice as Carter’s stats have been this year, he has been a total failure or no show in the bigger games and down the stretch quarters for most of his Magic tenure. I value stats immensely, but nothing shown to me can change my mind from what Carter has been doing out there.
I’m not a big fan of this move either, especially if Rashard is not involved. It kills anything left of cap flexibility that I was hoping the Magic would take advantage for CP3 and others unless Rashard’s involved, and even then, Arenas has to decline an immense PO too, but who knows the dynamics at play. Maybe if Orlando promises a full years, MLE type deal to Arenas to decline his PO that summer, and Rashard’s contract is in Washington, then the Magic are in front seat for any FA’s/FA’s-to-be.
But going back, If VC is involved instead of Rashard, I will still support Arenas, if he can keep improving like he has from the beginning of the season, who knows how far he can go to his All Star ways. From the last WAS-ORL game, I was not thrown off by Arenas’ defense either, he seems on par with average and can likely match or beat VC’s also rather average defense. And of course, Arenas seems like the guard who will love to step up and take the big shots and plays so Jameer doesn’t have to go gangbusters 100 percent of the time.
On a trade front, it seems like VC and Gortat is a lot for Arenas. And that with all the teams interested in Gortat too. I feel like Otis is fully aware of some other deals he can do, but loves how Arenas would fit the most still. Arenas is a scoring guard and would likely play SG as well, but his PG role will help him replicate some of the qualities a Hedo/Jameer Magic had with two PG-like players. VC has never really clicked with D12 in this respect, nor really overall with the team offense.
I would root for Arenas as well.
I think he fits better than a lot of people think. He can be a spot up shooter. He will fine if he does get here. But man we would kill ourselves for potentially a decade if it is Carter for Arenas. Seriously. If we do not win and Dwight leaves, all we are left with 35+ year olds Arenas and Lewis. Wow. I want to win now as much as everyone, but you have to keep an eye for the future. Look what happened to Cleveland.
Yes, of course it’s a big danger, but look at how well Boston plays with veterans over the hill. Dwight and whatever new look Magic comes just have to learn to click like that together over time and show that same potential and big game wins that the Finals version Magic had. I could see that easier with Arenas than with Carter.
What I fail to understand is.
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by Dome of the Rock on Dec 17, 2010 10:51 PM EST reply actions
How is trading Carters contract and Gortat a good move for us?
Seriously, Gil is not a popular player. With all of his shortcomings from injury and his lockerroom antics.
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by Dome of the Rock on Dec 17, 2010 10:54 PM EST up reply actions
I don't care about his attitude
Dwight and Otis and SVG and Jameer would keep him in check. But man that would be such a horrible contract to take on if we don’t swap Rashard.
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No way the Magic trade Carter for Arenas. Makes no sense for basketball and DEFINITELY not for business.
Arenas for Rashard Lewis at least is a wash on the business side. On the basketball side it would move the log jam of players from the power forward position to the guards (especially PG).
However, if you think of what pieces Denver might need in a Melo deal, an aging Billups is on the decline. Perhaps they’d be interested in Nelson.
Could the Magic be looking to send Nelson to Denver (as part of an overall package with other players) and are looking to replace him with Arenas?
I know all of this is a crazy long shot, but at least it makes more sense than Arenas for Carter.
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if denver would take nelson and whoever for melo the magic would want billups not arenas. give up on melo. sooner the better. it’ll hurt less.
by thejugs on Dec 17, 2010 10:54 PM EST up reply actions
I don't really even WANT Carmelo...
but if the Magic are trading for Arenas, it better be for Rashard. So, if you’re doing that, I’m trying to figure out what we’re doing with all of the guards on the team.
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If VC goes to Washington, then who else goes to Denver with Nelson?
The salaries are going to have to match up
Lots of ways it works...
But an easy one is:
Arenas and Melo in Orlando
Lewis and QRich in Washington
Nelson and Gortat in Denver
That works in the trade machine. Also, the Magic could take back somebody’s backup center (since we’d be losing Gortat) and still be able to make it work.
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Trade for Iggy................
Andres Iguodala could fit in SVG system…………….. or not?
Yes
SVG would incorporate a lot more read and react; slashing; and more iso for him. I like that Iggy is not an elite shooter. He is 26 and has hops. We need that. If we somehow pull off a Vince and Gortat for Iggy, Kapono and pieces plus swap Lewis for Arenas man that would be a beautiful thing.
Meer/Jay will plus gil sometimes
Gil/JJ
Iggy/Pietrus
Bass/Anderson(my dream come true)
Dwight/and whoever.
Get younger and a lot more explosive.
And if you are gonna have bad contracts at least have them for players who are young and explosive(Iggy) and someone who is fearless and just doesn’t give two nuts(Arenas)
Like this comment.............
And in the meantime get another 7’ veteran to help in the paint while Howard resting.
Get Hakeem.
He could play five minutes a game. He and Malik Allen could play ten minutes a game. LOL
Using Shamsports.com, on a legal trade front, Arenas for Carter and Gortat is illegal, barely, but still illegal. Any other Washington contract at all will finish a legal trade scenario; veteran, 2nd round rookie on team, etc etc. But there’s also a lot of wiggle room to receive bigger contracts like Blatche and Hinrich instead too. Just know that it won’t be Arenas alone if its Carter and Gortat both Washington-bound.
Speaking of bad contracts, the Yahoo article also mentions the Suns talking to the Magic about Hedo.
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by North of the South on Dec 17, 2010 11:04 PM EST reply actions
lets get some actual athletes on this team
the only one we got is dwight pietrus used to be 1 but all he does is shoots 3s now thats all our 2nd unit does it seems.
I would send him there
Him and Carter for Patrick Patterson, Jared Jeffries, Aaron Brooks and someone else I forgot at the time.
I'v also read that
Would be nice if kevin Martin was involved in the talks
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by TittyBrewsky on Dec 17, 2010 11:39 PM EST up reply actions
Sweet
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by TheGiantSquid on Dec 18, 2010 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
So the Bobcats are open to trading S Jax and Gerald Wallace...
I would take Gerald Wallace. I went to the playoff games in Charlotte this year and he’s a scrapper man. He hustles, plays d, gets to the basket.
``There’s no need to quit. There’s no need to say that we’re going down fighting because we’re not going down. You just have to think positive and if you think negative you are going to lose. Like I told the guys in the locker room, `If anybody has any doubt, we’re not going to win. But if everybody’s on the same page and believes we’re going to win, then we’re going to win it.’’’ -Dwight Howard
by BleedingBlueSince89 on Dec 17, 2010 11:14 PM EST reply actions
VC heading back to Carolina??
Maybe MJ can be the person to finally inspire him. Man Gerald Wallace would make this team even nastier on defense. We would give up on avg 83 ppg with him. Dead serious.
http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2010/12/16/1915954/with-the-season-sinking-charlotte.html
That’s the article so people know I’m not blowing smoke… but I would love this trade. Glad I’m not the only one.
``There’s no need to quit. There’s no need to say that we’re going down fighting because we’re not going down. You just have to think positive and if you think negative you are going to lose. Like I told the guys in the locker room, `If anybody has any doubt, we’re not going to win. But if everybody’s on the same page and believes we’re going to win, then we’re going to win it.’’’ -Dwight Howard
by BleedingBlueSince89 on Dec 17, 2010 11:20 PM EST up reply actions
Carter gives them
a number one option at scoring as well as an expiring contract. Evan any possibilities of this happening?
Arenas is a "done deal"?
It is according to Andrew Sharp.
http://twitter.com/AndrewSharp/status/15980817301897216
Now, if that is true, WHO is it done WITH?
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Must be for VC......................
Lewis is two years away to be traded…………………
But Arenas' contract is just as bad
Only a year longer. So, both teams could feel like they were getting something out of that deal.
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i think we should make any trade just for the sake for trading because im bored
by rabidmonkey51 on Dec 17, 2010 11:22 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
lol
``There’s no need to quit. There’s no need to say that we’re going down fighting because we’re not going down. You just have to think positive and if you think negative you are going to lose. Like I told the guys in the locker room, `If anybody has any doubt, we’re not going to win. But if everybody’s on the same page and believes we’re going to win, then we’re going to win it.’’’ -Dwight Howard
by BleedingBlueSince89 on Dec 17, 2010 11:23 PM EST up reply actions
Must be for VC......................
Lewis is two years away to be traded……………………
A lot
of these websites are saying it’s a package built with VC and Gortat. I would personally put Otis’ head on a stick if this is true.
``There’s no need to quit. There’s no need to say that we’re going down fighting because we’re not going down. You just have to think positive and if you think negative you are going to lose. Like I told the guys in the locker room, `If anybody has any doubt, we’re not going to win. But if everybody’s on the same page and believes we’re going to win, then we’re going to win it.’’’ -Dwight Howard
by BleedingBlueSince89 on Dec 17, 2010 11:27 PM EST up reply actions
Well
I will give him a chance to at least have this team try and win a finals this year. But man if it is Lewis for Arenas give them however many draft picks they want.
I dont mind that trade
I just don’t want to have to give up Gortat for Arenas. He’s much more valuable other places than Washingnot.
``There’s no need to quit. There’s no need to say that we’re going down fighting because we’re not going down. You just have to think positive and if you think negative you are going to lose. Like I told the guys in the locker room, `If anybody has any doubt, we’re not going to win. But if everybody’s on the same page and believes we’re going to win, then we’re going to win it.’’’ -Dwight Howard
by BleedingBlueSince89 on Dec 17, 2010 11:30 PM EST up reply actions
Well if I buy an Arenas Jersey
I know it will be good for awhile since we are the only team who wants him. Lol. All kidding aside, I think he and Jameer will play better than you think. They both have chips on their shoulders. Arenas for being a second round pick and Jameer for being passed up by his hometown Philly and going late in the first round.
What about JJ?
With Arenas in Orlando, does JJ Reddick will have any playing time now?
I'm sad if this is true.
"We just want to chill" - Chris Bosh.
Proud Jameer and Rashard apologist since '07
If its Gil for Carter
This is just sad.
My 'can do' spirits in the house, and its possessing your possessions did you hear it by the couch?
by Dome of the Rock on Dec 17, 2010 11:30 PM EST reply actions
Hopefully ..........
I hope that Andray Blatche is included in the deal alongside Arenas……..
Two chuckers?
I don’t care for it personally. This would take a lot of touches away from dwight. I have to say that I like VC because he understands his role.
``There’s no need to quit. There’s no need to say that we’re going down fighting because we’re not going down. You just have to think positive and if you think negative you are going to lose. Like I told the guys in the locker room, `If anybody has any doubt, we’re not going to win. But if everybody’s on the same page and believes we’re going to win, then we’re going to win it.’’’ -Dwight Howard
by BleedingBlueSince89 on Dec 17, 2010 11:34 PM EST up reply actions
I've been wrong in the past. I might be wrong yet again.
If this is indeed a done deal, it’s a sideways move at best. Except the Magic now have 2 of the most insane contracts in all the league.
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Caracas, Venezuela.
by North of the South on Dec 17, 2010 11:37 PM EST reply actions
Yeah, I just don't understand it at all.
"We just want to chill" - Chris Bosh.
Proud Jameer and Rashard apologist since '07
We can hope it is still for Lewis
If it is for Lewis than it is not bad. That would mean Carter is going somewhere else(Charlotte?)
I got your hopes up, didn't I?
lol
``There’s no need to quit. There’s no need to say that we’re going down fighting because we’re not going down. You just have to think positive and if you think negative you are going to lose. Like I told the guys in the locker room, `If anybody has any doubt, we’re not going to win. But if everybody’s on the same page and believes we’re going to win, then we’re going to win it.’’’ -Dwight Howard
by BleedingBlueSince89 on Dec 17, 2010 11:39 PM EST up reply actions
Oh my god yes
And Jordan is a bad enough GM to do it. Also there is that whole Carolina connection that Jordan loves. Plus he can eliminate 13 mill of his books next year. Instead of paying 18 mill for two players on a team going nowhere as it is. That actually does not sound as bad looks.
something like this?
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=23tsg2n
``There’s no need to quit. There’s no need to say that we’re going down fighting because we’re not going down. You just have to think positive and if you think negative you are going to lose. Like I told the guys in the locker room, `If anybody has any doubt, we’re not going to win. But if everybody’s on the same page and believes we’re going to win, then we’re going to win it.’’’ -Dwight Howard
by BleedingBlueSince89 on Dec 17, 2010 11:46 PM EST up reply actions
That's actually not half bad.
Man our defense would be so nasty. Plus we get more athletic on the wing.
Starting Five of Nelson/Redick/Wallace/Bass/Howard… I’d be ok with it.
``There’s no need to quit. There’s no need to say that we’re going down fighting because we’re not going down. You just have to think positive and if you think negative you are going to lose. Like I told the guys in the locker room, `If anybody has any doubt, we’re not going to win. But if everybody’s on the same page and believes we’re going to win, then we’re going to win it.’’’ -Dwight Howard
by BleedingBlueSince89 on Dec 17, 2010 11:50 PM EST up reply actions
I'd be okay with it as long as Bass passes the ball once in a while.
"We just want to chill" - Chris Bosh.
Proud Jameer and Rashard apologist since '07
Very good point.
``There’s no need to quit. There’s no need to say that we’re going down fighting because we’re not going down. You just have to think positive and if you think negative you are going to lose. Like I told the guys in the locker room, `If anybody has any doubt, we’re not going to win. But if everybody’s on the same page and believes we’re going to win, then we’re going to win it.’’’ -Dwight Howard
by BleedingBlueSince89 on Dec 17, 2010 11:52 PM EST up reply actions
Shoot
Forgot about Arenas. I guess it might be Nelson/Arenas/Wallace/Bass/Howard
``There’s no need to quit. There’s no need to say that we’re going down fighting because we’re not going down. You just have to think positive and if you think negative you are going to lose. Like I told the guys in the locker room, `If anybody has any doubt, we’re not going to win. But if everybody’s on the same page and believes we’re going to win, then we’re going to win it.’’’ -Dwight Howard
by BleedingBlueSince89 on Dec 17, 2010 11:52 PM EST up reply actions
If we could get Gerald Wallace somehow
That would be cool. If we end up with Gil AND Rashard…We’re in for a long season. I just can’t see how two massive contracts, for two declinging players who don’t play D all that well is good for us? IF this happens I want Otis Smith fired.
My 'can do' spirits in the house, and its possessing your possessions did you hear it by the couch?
by Dome of the Rock on Dec 17, 2010 11:43 PM EST reply actions
Long season?
Get ready for a long decade. Plus a new GM, maybe multiple new head coaches. If that trade does not work out and Dwight leaves, this team will take awhile to recover.
Yeah, I'm already seeing the dark possibilities here.
This is just too risky from a basketball sense, from an off-court sense, and from a financial sense. I can’t possibly imagine why Otis would make this trade at this juncture. This would be the definition of panicking to me.
"We just want to chill" - Chris Bosh.
Proud Jameer and Rashard apologist since '07
I'm shocked if the trade is really built around Arenas and Carter
That level of incompetence usually doesn’t run through as many people as it would have to for the deal to happen. Especially when one of the people is SVG.
Arenas has privately told people for days that he believes a deal will soon send him to Orlando, where he’ll be reunited with Magic general manager Otis Smith, a friend and mentor from Arenas’ days with the Golden State Warriors.
a friend and mentor from Arenas’ days This is the part that bothers me!!
The "soon send him to Orlando" part is what bothers me.
Brandon Bass and Ryan Anderson are special in their own ways. OK?
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=aw-magictradetalks121710
Found this on yahoo!! If this has been posted already, I am sorry!!
I can not sleep not knowing what is going on
I wish I could become a fly and get in on Otis’s phone calls. Is Gil on a plane down here to get a physical already? WHAT IS GOING ON????
I don't understand how this trade could be described as anything more than lateral.
I also have it, on my own authority, that I am an expert on this stuff.
That is to say, VC for Arenas.
I also have it, on my own authority, that I am an expert on this stuff.
It wouldn't be lateral.
It would make a currently unlikely situation of Dwight getting mad and looking to go elsewhere foreseeable. Basically, it brings the Magic appocolypse within view.
by CaliFlorida on Dec 18, 2010 12:05 AM EST up reply actions
What I will give Gil
Is that at least you know all of his bullets will be used in a 7 game series. And maybe he can help the Magic increase their pace for more fast break points.
all of his bullets at 39% from the field
by CaliFlorida on Dec 18, 2010 12:18 AM EST up reply actions
Oh yeah, it's going through
who would of thought we would be arguably the greatest of all time
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BQRMAGIC: Heard from one of my sources. Writing the post now.
who would of thought we would be arguably the greatest of all time
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I think it is going to be Carter
In which case we are screwed. If it is a Gortat, Pietrus, Richardson thats fine.
There's nothing good that can come out of this.
Unless it’s lewis being traded, but we all know that’s unlikely and wishful thinking
how do i find them on twitter? never used it.
by rabidmonkey51 on Dec 18, 2010 12:22 AM EST up reply actions
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who would of thought we would be arguably the greatest of all time
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I also don't get how trading Gortat + whatever makes sense. Doesn't this just give us a logjam at the guard position?
I also have it, on my own authority, that I am an expert on this stuff.
Please get rid of Lewis-
Makes this deal 10x better ATM
who would of thought we would be arguably the greatest of all time
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Me 4
who would of thought we would be arguably the greatest of all time
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Hoping Otis or Ownership gets cold feet
and cancels this deal. I really don’t like the idea of trading vince for arenas
Unless we get Magee involved.
who would of thought we would be arguably the greatest of all time
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WHERE ARE YOU, TGS?
who would of thought we would be arguably the greatest of all time
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THIS IS F'N SCARY-
I don’t know what to think.
who would of thought we would be arguably the greatest of all time
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I seriously need to calm down
I get panic attacks if I get too emotional. Evan my life depends on knowing who we are trading.
Shitty.
Girlfriend playing games and sick. Oh and work. you?
Let's Go Magic!
by BleedingBlueSince89 on Dec 18, 2010 12:30 AM EST up reply actions
Ok, I guess
Went to a party,that ’s it.
who would of thought we would be arguably the greatest of all time
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The Sentinel's picked up on it a bit
who would of thought we would be arguably the greatest of all time
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...
trying to get all my facts right. Have to be extra precise w/ wording in these cases. Sorry for the delay.
who would of thought we would be arguably the greatest of all time
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That was after my tweet to him.
who would of thought we would be arguably the greatest of all time
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Im watching the town...
But I would like to sleep soon.
Let's Go Magic!
by BleedingBlueSince89 on Dec 18, 2010 12:34 AM EST up reply actions
He's been writing for 30 minutes already
makes you wonder the complexity of the trade
Sorry. For one thing, the software bugged out and I had to copy/paste the story in there again, which ate a few minutes.
But most of the time was indeed spent on just writing the stupid thing, which is based on a few sentences’ worth of information. With sensitive topics like this one, you have to be very precise in your word choice, syntax, and everything else.
not every topic has the potential to make or break our team
this one determines our short and long term future
Would barely like this trade if it was Rashard for Arenas, if we are sending Vince there for him, we can kiss any opportunity for post-season success goodbye.
by MagicMark on Dec 18, 2010 12:38 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
D12 follows BQR- Didn't know.
who would of thought we would be arguably the greatest of all time
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Funny how we're all waiting for this
and Evan’s having trouble posting it, further adding to the suspense
...
Source says the Magic’s game against the Hawks on Monday is “absolutely” a realistic target for Mystery Newcomer X to debut.
who would of thought we would be arguably the greatest of all time
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GILBERT VS HAWKS- WOOT
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no deal. im calling it now. nothings going to happen
by rabidmonkey51 on Dec 18, 2010 12:42 AM EST up reply actions
What if we get Gerald Wallace?
who would of thought we would be arguably the greatest of all time
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yippee?
why would we want gerald wallace? our offense is bad and we would be getting two bad offensive players
Defense- Someone has to defend Melo, Ledouche, and Wade.
who would of thought we would be arguably the greatest of all time
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are you serious?
Gerald is a hustler man, he gets to the rim and can shoot a jumper.
Let's Go Magic!
by BleedingBlueSince89 on Dec 18, 2010 12:43 AM EST up reply actions
on a terrible team where opposition only has to worry about him and S.jax shooting.
Let's Go Magic!
by BleedingBlueSince89 on Dec 18, 2010 12:46 AM EST up reply actions
47% career shooter and he shoots a lot at the rim
any possession ending with a gerald wallace jumpshot is a success for the defense
Basically, he's a slightly better defending and rebounding Barnes.
who would of thought we would be arguably the greatest of all time
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Is Gilbert Alive right now?
who would of thought we would be arguably the greatest of all time
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I can't find his twitter
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Trade for Arenas, lose the franchise.
Seriously. This would lock us down for so long, and I find it difficult to believe Howard would stick around with a franchise so encumbered and so far short of Championship-caliber.
And if the Magic lose Dwight, Orlando loses the Magic.
Well
You never what free agents will be available when everyone expires. What the new CBA will bring. Maybe you could cut players. So you never know.
lets get Brand to complete the trifecta...
Brandon Bass and Ryan Anderson are special in their own ways. OK?
Otis had his cute risky pick. Vince. It didn't pan out.
Arenas is the exact same thing, all over again. Betting on a troubled player whose best days are behind him. Which is why I’m so convinced it is exactly what’s happening.
It's just so Orlando. Not just the team, the city.
Build a gorgeous state-of-the-art facility, watch it implode within 5 years.
Cynical? Yes. But I’ve lived here an awfully long time. I have my reasons.
The Magic are not leaving Orlando
Don’t be ridiculous. Orlando has shown that it can sign free agents. No state tax which would be more important if the contracts shrink in the new CBA. look at the whole picture not the little picture.
We were a c***'s hair away from losing the franchise before we drafted D12.
Don’t understimate the power of the Magic fail.
Break the ice-
Is Redick involved? Will TGS leave us to follow him on his journey?
who would of thought we would be arguably the greatest of all time
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Dude, it's sarc
who would of thought we would be arguably the greatest of all time
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It's the headline news on yahoo's portal right now.
Magic Fan since the 1992-1993 Season.
Caracas, Venezuela.
by North of the South on Dec 18, 2010 12:48 AM EST reply actions
I would, that's as worse of a terrible contract as it gets.
who would of thought we would be arguably the greatest of all time
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not for that contract.
It’s the reason we let him go to toronto in the first place
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