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Orlando Magic 94, Los Angeles Clippers 85

The Orlando Magic outlasted the L.A. Clippers Sunday night, 94-85, after jumping out to a 35-14 lead in the first quarter. The Clippers won each subsequent quarter as the Magic's opportunities to run dwindled, and pulled to within six points in the early stages of the final frame before Dwight Howard returned from a long, foul-prompted absence to restore order, sealing the win for Orlando. The franchise center scored 13 of his team-best 22 points in the final period, and did so effortlessly as the Clippers laughably attempted to defend him with three-point specialist Brian Cook. Indeed, a real-life NBA team assigned a veteran jump-shooter to guard the league's best center. It didn't work. Matched up against Cook, Howard scored a quick lefty layup from the right block and followed that up with his patented backdoor lob play, wherein he feints as though he's setting a high screen for the ballhandler, only to spin back and elevate for an alley-oop jam. Howard served as Orlando's closer tonight, which is strange, because with a 21-point lead after the first period against the league's worst team, closing shouldn't be an issue.

Orlando started the game with plenty of energy, pushing the pace whenever possible and looking for transition baskets against an often clueless Clippers defense. As a result, Orlando got 12 fast-break points in the opening period alone, compared to 18 in their previous six games combined. In the half court, the Magic fed Vince Carter in the low post whenever possible. Carter took the smaller, yet stocky, Eric Gordon to the blocks on the Magic's first three possessions and scored each time, though Clippers center DeAndre Jordan helped him a bit by goaltending his first offering. Curiously, Carter would attempt just 9 more field goals in his remaining 33 minutes on the court.

While the Magic's offense hummed in the early going, the Clippers' sputtered. The Magic played with quick, active hands defensively, discouraging ball movement. No Clipper seemed prepared to shoot once he got the ball, which resulted in myriad poor shot attempts and only five makes in the period. Orlando got five dunks of its own, just to give you an idea of how things really clicked.

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TeamPaceEfficiencyeFG%FT RateOReb%TO Rate
Magic86109.352.0%21.326.214.0
Clippers8698.840.5%20.220.49.3
Green denotes a stat better than the team's season average;
red denotes a stat worse than the team's season average.

The rest of the game, though, the Magic seemed to let up. They took jumpers early in the shot-clock instead of driving the ball, particularly in the second quarter. And once Eric Gordon and Blake Griffin found their rhythm, and got the crowd into the game, the Clippers' defense picked up, too.

Howard's foul trouble turned the tide in this game. Just 1:34 into the second half, Howard caught the ball while planted inside the charge circle, with Jordan, his defender, pinned under the hoop. Jordan hit the deck when Howard turned to dunk, and Joe Crawford, the referee furthest away from the play, whistled Howard for an offensive foul. Perhaps it was the proper call, but it appeared to me that Howard had established position inside. He didn't turn into Jordan with his elbows out, or anything like that. The best call in that situation, the way I saw it, was not to whistle any foul at all. Anyway, without Howard to muck up the Clippers' defense, the Magic shot 4-of-15 from the floor for 10 points the rest of the period.

Don't get me wrong: Marcin Gortat had a productive night in extended minutes relieving Howard. He made both his shot attempts and grabbed 9 rebounds in 24 minutes. But the easy looks Orlando got in the first period didn't avail themselves for much of the rest of the game, and Howard's absence only complicated the situation for Orlando.

Gordon and Griffin combined for 55 points tonight, and maybe there's a tendency to think the Magic didn't defend them well. I'm not so sure. The pair used an estimated 55 shooting possessions to get there. Essentially, they scored because the Clippers don't have anyone else who can. For comparison, Howard, Carter, and Jameer Nelson nearly matched the Griffin/Gordon combination with 52 points, but Orlando's trio used only 42 shooting possessions. Let's not overlook efficiency.

Ordinarily, I think the Magic might not feel too great about this sort of win. Losing the three final quarters of a game against the worst team in the league, letting that team ever get close despite trailing by as many as 26 points in the second period, would seriously be cause for concern. But Orlando's won for the first time in over a week, and it played with an uncommon level of energy and speed, at least in the first period. Right now, the Magic need positives on which to build. This win--any win--is a start.

Of note: Brandon Bass notched the first double-double of his Magic career. He finished with 13 points and 11 rebounds.

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Are the Orlando Magic Maximizing Vince Carter's Offensive Gifts?

Carter took the smaller, yet stocky, Eric Gordon to the blocks on the Magic’s first three possessions and scored each time… Curiously, Carter would attempt just 9 more field goals in his remaining 33 minutes on the court.

Same thing with the Utah Jazz game the other night. It was a clear mis-match against Hayward which we did not took advantage off.

by zakchi on Dec 13, 2010 3:56 AM EST reply actions  

good game..

great 1st half, but in the 2nd half, they almost put the game into a big comeback again by the Clippers.. and yeah, VC made a wonderful job in the first Q and he had all the advantage in a mismatch against gordon and BD when they rotate, but the Magic didn’t explore it in the previous quarter that’s why the LAC made a rally in the 3rd and 4th Q.. VC might scores a lot in this game abd the Magic won easily by 15+ pts. in this game if they only make plays on VC on this one, but a decent game for him..

by yhankees on Dec 13, 2010 4:01 AM EST reply actions  

I wonder how long Pietrus will be ahead of Richardson in the rotation

…especially if he doesn’t shoot better than the 1 for 8 he shot against the Clippers, including 0 for 6 on threes.

It’s kind of discouraging that the Magic’s two off-season free agent signees who were both expected to improve the Magic are both glued to the bench for a whole game. It’s a long season though, and I’m sure they will get more chances and will show they can play better than they have.

On a more positive note, Jameer Nelson played his best game since returning from illness with 17 points, including 3 of 5 on threes, along with 9 assists.

All five Magic starters scored in double figures; even Lewis made it after struggling much of the game.

The Magic made 10 of their final 12 FTs to help seal the game, and were able to survive shooting just 26.1% on threes and 61.5% from the FT line.

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by Mike from Illinois on Dec 13, 2010 4:53 AM EST reply actions  

Mike, as you may remember, Richardson played in Utah while Pietrus sat.

I think coach Van Gundy is testing the two in real game-time situations. And for whatever its worth, since Richardson did not shoot so well in Utah’s game, Pietrus at least did a good defensive job on Eric Gordon. As for Duhon, the way he has played so-far, he belongs to the bench until he proves his worth in practice sessions. JWill runs the offense a lot better although one may point his defensive shortfalls.

by Matt1325 on Dec 13, 2010 9:13 AM EST up reply actions  

Nice win but...

A team where Bass takes more shots than Howard, Carter or Nelson, is a team in trouble. He is playing well, but he shouldn’t be our first offensive option, Howard and Carter need to take more shots.

by Leandro on Dec 13, 2010 7:21 AM EST reply actions  

most of that is due to howards foul trouble

and the rest to bass wen he gets the ball it wont move

by era2008 on Dec 13, 2010 11:00 AM EST up reply actions  

went to the game tonight

very impressed with Bass starting as our PF..he helped get us off to a great start, and seeing the dirty work/energy he puts in live in person makes me believe he should start at PF the rest of the season

Very unimpressed by Rashard lewis..he looked even more indifferent/lazy in person, and can’t really do much but shoot wide open 3’s

Vince carter got off to a nice start, but as usual, faded away from the scene.. although I did see him call for the ball at times, but Nelson didn’t deliver it to him..but in the end, he still isn’t being utilized properly, and is still a passive superstar

Dwight Howard’s emergence in the fourth quarter was really fun to watch, and I can only imagine the numbers he would have posted if he wasn’t in foul troble..he was lucky not to get a technical after receiving a quick foul in the third quarter

Pietrus had a bad game offensively, but he looked good defensively. I still maintain the belief that hes a better 6th man/backup SF than Q Rich becasue hes a superior defender.. and when he’s on fire, he can’t miss

Gortat was pretty good tonite, but he gave up a lot of points to Blake Griffen (who had some nice highlight dunks)

Overall, the first quarter was amazing to watch but our collapse in the following quarters was very disturbing

by jiggadpg00 on Dec 13, 2010 7:22 AM EST reply actions  

"Vince carter got off to a nice start, but as usual, faded away from the scene.. although I did see him call for the ball at times, but Nelson didn’t deliver it to him..but in the end, he still isn't being utilized properly..."

hmmm…See, watching the game on tv, I got the same impression. Nelson didn’t seem particularly interested in getting Vince the ball. That you say Vince was calling for it, and still not getting it…well that is interesting, and unfortunate.

Question for Evan: If Carter is repeatedly calling for the ball, and Jameer is repeatedly ignoring him, would it be a “whale” of an assumption to assume that either a) Jameer would prefer to pass the ball elsewhere, or b) Jameer is simply executing the play that his coach is screaming from the bench?

by Brad1 on Dec 13, 2010 10:17 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't think the guys like him.

I think they are still pissed from the playoffs, and have lost faith in him. That seems like plausible idea to me.

by Mateo9399 on Dec 13, 2010 10:24 AM EST up reply actions  

Now I'm not speculating about their friendship...I have no idea whatsoever about that...

but am just going by what I see on the court. I don’t really know the reason, I just know that it is either Stan or Jameer (or both) who are choosing to not go to Carter often.

by Brad1 on Dec 13, 2010 10:30 AM EST up reply actions  

That would be retarded. I think it's more Jameer's tunnel vision

Even they wouldn’t like Vince and wanted to trade him, they’d better pass him the ball more so his trade stock increases. Or maybe they pass the ball to other players because they know Vince won’t be with this team much longer this season so they don’t want to get him going since he won’t be with this team in the playoffs.

I don’t know. We can only speculate.

by Raptorel on Dec 13, 2010 10:53 AM EST up reply actions  

Jameer did have 9 assists again, so "Tunnel vision" might be better for the team.

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by JeffShann3 on Dec 13, 2010 11:29 AM EST up reply actions  

So 9 assists are shocking for a PG nowadays

Vince had 9 assists in the Detroit game and he’s not a PG. He’s proabably a hall of fame passing SG by this token.

by Raptorel on Dec 13, 2010 11:34 AM EST up reply actions  

No not shocking at all, but obviously Jameer was passing the ball to the right people.

And for a PG that has a career avg. of under 5 assists, 9 is pretty damn good.

Vince Carter is not the same guy he used to be, and hasn’t been since he got here, get over it people. Him getting the ball, what? 5 more times a game and shooting 3 more times a game is going to DRAMATICALLY improve his ability and scoring output? Nope. He is what he is, a nice 2nd (or 3rd) option who’s athleticism has decreased dramatically over the past 4 years. And he will most likely be gone at the deadline simply because he isn’t worth nearly as much to us in the coming offseason as he will be at the deadline.

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by JeffShann3 on Dec 13, 2010 11:45 AM EST up reply actions  

That could very well be

But on the same token, why would Jameer need those 5 more balls per game and 3 more shots per game, or anyone else?

by Raptorel on Dec 13, 2010 11:59 AM EST up reply actions  

well in terms of last night's game, if Dwight has Cook on him all 5 of those need to go to him.

Plus it was a road game. I wouldn’t let VC touch the ball on the road as of right now. Look at his road numbers.

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by JeffShann3 on Dec 13, 2010 12:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Is what why VC scored on the first 3 possessions?

My comment above wasn’t meant to be taken literally, just saying that VC has pretty much sucked this year on the road. I want Jameer to give players the ball when they’re in the best position to score, don’t really care who gets the touches. But when you’re playing like crap, I won’t give it to him just because “it’s hard to get into a rhythm” like some are asserting. I am glad he was given the ball in the post when Gordon was on him down there and I didn’t watch the game last night (last 5 mins. doesn’t count in my book), but did Vince continue to go straight to the block when Gordon was on him the rest of the game? Or was he content w/ standing outside the 3 point line?

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by JeffShann3 on Dec 13, 2010 3:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Carter < MJ

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by JeffShann3 on Dec 14, 2010 12:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Wow, that's shocking

I was trying to make a point though.

by Raptorel on Dec 14, 2010 6:48 AM EST up reply actions  

I was at the game as well and noticed Vince raising his arms and calling for the ball on a few occasions and jameer and rashard looking him off. Also he had started off fast and had a huge advantage over Eric Gordon and they went away from it…people near me in the stands kept saying why isn’t Vince shooting he was hot. Is it really necessary for him to play under 30 minutes….seems really hard to keep a rhythm or stay hot when you sit for so long and when you are on the court the ball isnt in your hands often. If anything being at the game made me wonder how anyone is criticizing his offense when he seems like kind of an afterthought out there and is still scoring and rebounding pretty efficiently. Good win….I knew the Clips would make a run(Im a Clippers season ticket holder) they play very hard and are way better than there record! Fun to see the guys in person!!

by Guitarzan on Dec 13, 2010 12:42 PM EST up reply actions  

After either the Jazz or Blazer loss

didn’t Jameer call out some guys because of bad shooting? Didn’t Carter go 2-12?

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by L Magico on Dec 13, 2010 1:11 PM EST up reply actions  

You're right, Jameer doesn't get double-digit TO's or shoot 34.7% from the floor.

Dang!

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by slickw143 on Dec 13, 2010 1:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah I know

He doesn’t average a triple double in a playoff series either.

by Raptorel on Dec 13, 2010 4:47 PM EST up reply actions  

That sure is something that can be relied on.

Either way, if you’re trying to compare Jameer’s passing ability to one of the greatest passers in the history of the game, then have fun with that. But if it takes Vince having, again, one of the greatest passers in the history of the game to be effective at this point, then Otis better get on the horn with Mark Cuban to see what he’d want for Vince.

Vince may need some more opportunities this season, but let’s not forget what that got us in the first 3 months of last season. I prefer pick-and-choose-his-spots Vince to “Okay, I’ll drive towards the baseline and take an 18-foot fadeaway over and over again” Vince.

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by slickw143 on Dec 13, 2010 5:47 PM EST up reply actions  

As a neutral fan when the Magic battled the Lakers in the finals, I can tell you that I thought the Magic looked so much better with Alston at the PG

I thought it was a huge mistake to put Jameer back on the court at that point, he looked totally lost. The Magic were so good with Turkoglu as the offense initiator and Alston playing PG. When Jameer got back, everything went south. I know he wasn’t back completely, he was struggling etc, but still.

If the Magic would give Vince the ball to create instead of Jameer it would be really interesting. Like make Jameer a spot up shooter instead of Vince, since Jameer shoots better at this point anyway as a spot up shooter.

That would be really, really interesting to see. Put the ball in the hands of Vince and give him full support to create stuff. And he will.

by Raptorel on Dec 13, 2010 5:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Right, we also looked so much better when we almost loss to a Boston team without KG (and two other frontcourt players).

Alston’s inability to shoot from the outside (except for a few games when he got hot) as well as his inability to finish inside (I lost count of how many lay-ups he missed in the playoffs) would’ve hampered the offense more had it not been for Dwight’s dominance and Rashard’s scoring. People forget about his production in the playoffs often, instead remembering Hedo’s (inconsistent) effectiveness.

I was a Skip fan before, and I wish things could’ve worked differently. But we did not have the same match-up advantage against LA that we had against a depleted Boston frontline or an overmatched Cleveland frontline. Nelson torched LA in the regular season, and his ability to stretch the floor from the PG spot was needed. Of course, as a player who had missed several months, we didn’t have that, just as didn’t have a SF who stretched the floor against Boston last year.

Quite frankly, judging the Magic with a 60-70% Jameer Nelson is like criticizing him for not having Jason Kidd’s passing acumen. It’s pointless.

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by slickw143 on Dec 13, 2010 7:19 PM EST up reply actions  

It could work

It’s worth giving a shot at early in the season to see if it works but that would mean people don’t trust Jameer making plays so of course SVG would never do it.

by Raptorel on Dec 14, 2010 6:50 AM EST up reply actions  

So not playing with Jason Kidd anymore means VC goes from being an All-Star (perennial) to shooting 3% from 3pt range and < 40% from the field overall?

Don’t see how playing with a different player affects your jump shot mechanics…

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by JeffShann3 on Dec 13, 2010 3:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh, and the shot mechanics are affected by the fact that people want to change his shooting mechanics

He has shot that fadeaway all his life and yet people want him to shoot up and down shots.

He has scored on 2 fadeaways yesterday against Gordon.

by Raptorel on Dec 13, 2010 4:51 PM EST up reply actions  

good sample size there, 2.

Seriously? So by your logic Anderson should start, Duhon should start, Malik Allen should start (because he is in a career long slump) VC should start and Q (or MP, whoever is playing worse) should start…yeah! Lets play all our players who are SUCKING it up right now at the same time! Get em all out of their slumps at once! Brilliant!

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by JeffShann3 on Dec 14, 2010 12:18 AM EST up reply actions  

No, but you haven't followed VC as long as I did to really have a valid point about his shooting.

Of course the 2 shots could’ve been missed easily so then everybody would say “hey, VC shooting fadeaways again and missing”.

The real difference is when he shots a fadeaway he doesn’t think about the shot because it’s natural (natural as in – has shot that all his life and it’s automatic). When he shots up and down jumpshots because people tell him that’s a more efficient shot – he starts to think about it. That’s when you start missing.

This is a thing that’s individual to him and not applyable to anybody else on the team.

by Raptorel on Dec 14, 2010 6:53 AM EST up reply actions  

Look, I loved Vince from the days he was a Tar Heel

He and Antawn Jamison were the reasons I became a Tar Heel fan. I loved watching those guys when I was little. But that was 15 years ago. He just isn’t that guy anymore. Period.

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by JeffShann3 on Dec 15, 2010 1:21 PM EST up reply actions  

did you really just post a YouTube vid. as evidence that VC is still the same?

Really? and on top of that, the video is from a charity event, featuring dunks??? Wow. I’m done with this mini-argument because you clearly have nothing else to discuss.

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by JeffShann3 on Dec 15, 2010 5:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think there's enough of a sample size to compare J-Will and Duhon

But I can certainly see Williams pushing the ball a lot more, or at least making an effort to. On the other hand the second unit used to waste the whole shot clock for very inefficient shots back then (often relying on Bass to rescue the play with a drive or his jump shot).

by RL Magic on Dec 13, 2010 8:30 AM EST reply actions  

I signed on this morning expecting to read about Vince retiring...........after getting his dunked blocked by Cook

how the mighty have fallen.

But seriously, why was Vince not used more when he clearly had an advantage over his defender? Are they trying to make sure everyone else gets involved too? Doesn’t make sense to me. If a play is working, keep going to it, until it stops.

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by AB's triple double on Dec 13, 2010 9:08 AM EST reply actions  

That must be a joke...right?

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by JeffShann3 on Dec 13, 2010 11:28 AM EST up reply actions  

This was a good win, especially that first quarter display of what we are capable of.

But then LAC showed why their record is not indicative of their abilities since they have been able to beat teams like SA, NO and OKC. They have an enormous talent in Griffin, but like all young team go through their natural lapses and mistakes.

On a separate note, I was displeased with the offensive fouls called on Dwight, however in different ways. I think while the second one was certainly a mistake by the referee, the first one was called correctly and that was due to Dwight – I should say unnecessarily – extending his elbows which appears to be intentional pushing. These types of unnecessary moves need to be corrected because, as I recall, in close games with Boston last year, those offensive foul calls became detrimental to the end result.

by Matt1325 on Dec 13, 2010 11:25 AM EST reply actions  

Those calls were certainly detrimental in the series against Charlotte.

Luckily Jameer went off while Dwight was on the bench.

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by slickw143 on Dec 13, 2010 1:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I was at the game

and the Magic in the first quarter was pretty amazing. The Clippers showed no resistance and I was shocked they brought the lead to 9. Some other observations from the game:

-When the Clippers go to Orlando, I would advise people to go watch Blake Griffin. He is RELENTLESS. Thats all I could think of. Just an all-world talent on a god-awful team.

-The game was pretty quiet at first and I could hear Stan’s calls from across the floor and up a few rows. Great stuff. Also, watching Dwight mimic Stan was pretty funny.

-Before the game, I noticed the Clipper bigs(Cook, Jordan, Collins) practice elbow extended jumpers. It seemed that the coaching staff wanted to bring Dwight out so he wouldn’t man the paint. But Brian Cook does not equal defense and like Evan said, Dwight ate him up. Although he did block Carter’s dunk attempt, I’m not sure if it was Vince not having it or actually good d.

-Jason Williams court vision is remarkable. Watching his eyes, he is constantly looking one way and then will pass in the complete opposite direction. He is constantly talking to his teammates, and the guys really seem to respect him. I’m really glad Otis re-signed him.

-So a friend of mine got the tickets through someone that works for the Clippers. We met up with him afterwards, and I asked if Sterling was a jerk to everyone. He said that staff will have to lock up their offices because he will go to their office and steal their stuff. Jerseys, hats, memorabilia; anything he sees that he likes he will take because he feels he owns EVERYTHING in the builiding.

A win is win and hopefully, the offense can get more consistent.

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by L Magico on Dec 13, 2010 1:26 PM EST reply actions  

i remember about 2 or 3 months ago someone on this blog made a fan post about j will jumping ahead of duhon in the rotation and practically everyone here including myself thought he was crazy. I remember that poster having a total bias towards j will, but damn, chris duhon is just so bad me may end up being correct. or did i miss something and duhon is just injured?

by rabidmonkey51 on Dec 13, 2010 1:31 PM EST reply actions  

He's not injured, he just has been very passive.

I’d prefer to save J-Will’s legs for the end of the season, but y’know, Duhon isn’t bringing much to the table right now.

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by slickw143 on Dec 13, 2010 1:44 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah thats what i thought.. just on yahoo’s boxscore they have duhon as dnp sore back, not coaches decision.

by rabidmonkey51 on Dec 13, 2010 1:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Duhon

is posting a Win Share of 0.2 in 22 games totaling 446 minutes.

Malik Allen is posting a WS of 0.2 in 5 games totaling 50 minutes.
Ryan Anderson is posting a WS of 0.2 in 10 games totaling 86 minutes.

Duhon is posting an offensive rating of 89! His advanced stats are probably of the worst in the NBA. His TO% of 32.9 is likely the worst in the league for PG’s. To say he’s been awful would be an understatement in my opinion. Has he truly had a “good” game in a Magic uniform? Admittedly I’ve missed a few games but I recall his best showing in a Magic uniform being where he had 3 defensive deflections in a game. Teammates seem visibly annoyed with the way Duhon has been playing.

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by Warlando on Dec 13, 2010 2:50 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Did I hear correctly?

After the game when Bass was being interviewed, did Jameer come up behind Bass and say “What’s my name Ben Rock”?

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by Warlando on Dec 13, 2010 2:08 PM EST reply actions  

Fantastic start and terrible fade...

First quarter was one of the best in a while – could do no wrong it seemed.

In retrospect I thought the Magic got in trouble in the 2nd quarter and might have eventually lost the game if the opposition was half-way decent. I could feel the momentum changing and all I could think was that the play was so undisciplined in that quarter. Petrius started jacking threes and the play got very helter-skelter. I thought the Magic had a foot on the Clippers throat and in that second quarter took it off.

Once Howard got into foul trouble in the third and Blake and Gordon got it going I kept watching the score and the time remaining closely. Nevertheless a win is a win.

No comment on how Vince was used – he played well both offensively and defensively. Bass provides a good mid-range game and is a bull on the glass. Howard was Howard and Nelson hit the shots he needed to.

The big question for the Denver game – who will sit; and does Stan pull names out of a hat or does he really have a game plan as to who he uses and why. What is more compelling perhaps is that Anderson is in Stan’s doghouse along with Duhon, Q is sitting/having his minutes cut back and then there is the debate on Vince’s use – all acquisitions made by Otis over the last two years. [Bass being the exception if you don’t consider his first year sitting on the bench as not counting]. Something doesn’t seem right to me.

by consultant99 on Dec 13, 2010 3:29 PM EST reply actions  

Anderson would probably have had a good shot at being out of the doghouse by now...

Unfortunately, he hurt his foot 30 seconds into the Milwaukee (?) game and won’t be available until probably around Christmas.

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by EnnBee on Dec 13, 2010 6:35 PM EST up reply actions  

MRIs were negative

He had a severe mid foot sprain. According to the Orlando Sentinel on December 8th:

Van Gundy added that he’s been told by athletic trainer Keon Weise that Anderson could return around Christmas.

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by EnnBee on Dec 13, 2010 8:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Otis

had to replace Barnes with a SF who can shoot 3’s and Q is absolutely a good fit for ORL because he’s a better rebounder than Barnes, better shooter, more versatile offensively and a much stronger player (though Matt Barnes will kill you). The issue is that the organization doesn’t know exactly what they want. Rashard has now moved to SF which means it’s him that has replaced Barnes, making the Q acquisition sort of pointless unless either Rashard or MP gets injured. With Bass now starting at the 4 the point of emphasis on needing a good rebounding 3 is no longer in play so the important question is “Would Otis have signed Q if Bass was the starting 4”?

IMO they need to reduce the variables. BOS & LA don’t adjust their lineups based on opponent, they use the same starting 5 every game, execute the same plays over and over so they’re comfortable/confident in their execution regardless of opponent or situation. Even the simple things I notice ORL struggles with. Like having 10 or less seconds left in a quarter yet having to take nearly a half court shot when other elite teams are able to get a much better look in half the time. Execution on the little things is what I find the Magic are often sloppy at.

I fully understand that Bass as a starting 4 is an extremely difficult matchup with KG, Gasol & Bosh but logically, the best way to improve and become the best team ORL can be is with repetition and that is best accomplished with a set lineup in my opinion. I’d prefer the lineup the way it is now because it gives us so many offensive options to take advantage of based on matchup. Jameer can smoke most PG’s and having VC, Rashard, Bass & Howard in the starting rotation, all of which have good post games, will allow us to exploit matchups over and over, then over again.

"It can be done, you can just crush somebody" -svg

by Warlando on Dec 13, 2010 4:49 PM EST reply actions  

Basically I agree ... a set line-up is preferrable to muscial chairs

There just seems so much drama as to who starts, who comes off the bench and who sits. There seems to be more of this this year as Stan has gone to “benching” a player each game while keeping Anderson in the dog house (for now). Further the play substitutions change as well – when and who comes off the floor first and when they return. This seems to vary dramatically

by consultant99 on Dec 13, 2010 5:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Well Pietrus started last year until Matt Barnes got the starting spot forever from a point in the season and on

So who knows, maybe Bass can fit and stay in the starting lineup from now on. I like the guy because he hustles and gives energy to the starting lineup.

Then you can go with Lewis at the three and either play Pietrus against quicker SFs or SGs or Richardson against stronger SFs off the bench.

by Raptorel on Dec 13, 2010 5:39 PM EST up reply actions  

I think this is all building toward a trade

As if that isn’t obvious to everyone in this blog. Now if we can just find a way to keep everyone we like while landing CP3 and Carmelo, life would be good. Let’s throw in Chris Bosh for good measure.

by MagicPhan on Dec 13, 2010 6:00 PM EST reply actions  

Bosh, not happening hah.

If NO’s fast start keeps fading into memory, we can hope that Paul will again try to demand to get out. Melo seems like an extremely long shot at this point too.

Yeah, I realize you weren’t being serious with landing CP3 and Melo and Bosh.

"We just want to chill" - Chris Bosh.
Proud Jameer and Rashard apologist since '07

by slickw143 on Dec 13, 2010 7:56 PM EST up reply actions  

I think...

We should go for Z-Bo and o.j. mayo. Get a twin towers thing going and a new scenery is exactly what Mayo needs…

by Memphissleek on Dec 13, 2010 8:38 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

carmelo is long gone BUT..

new orleans will start to losei think we still have a good chance at getting him

by era2008 on Dec 13, 2010 8:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Dwight and dumb fouls...

Offensive and defensively I guess we’ll randomly have to deal with Dwight drawing unnecessary fouls and limiting his time on the court. It could have cost us this game and if it had, losing your 5th straight game, and to the Clippers no less, would have unleashed fan fury. I know he’s done better recently but you never know when his lapses in judgment will kick in or his frustrations will boil over and he’ll swing some elbows high or slam a struggling defender to the floor. Moments like that can end a team in the playoffs where one game can mean the difference between moving on and going home. I hope he can keep that in control when it counts. Perhaps a new strategy he should try is silence with the refs. Go 10 games without arguing a single call. My guess is that the refs aggravation with his endless bitching would start to subside and he might get more of the “superstar” calls that he’s always been deprived of. In fact, I’m sure of it. The bad part is he’d never be able to go 10 games let alone 10 minutes without jabbering in the direction of a referee. Therefore he’ll continue to get the short end of the stick. Oh well.

by Matty B on Dec 14, 2010 3:47 AM EST reply actions  

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