Robbins: Orlando Magic Hold Team Meeting after Embarrassing Loss to Portland Trail Blazers
Josh Robbins of the Orlando Sentinel reports the Orlando Magic's frustration with their poor play came to a head following Thursday night's loss to the Portland Trail Blazers. The team held a 30-minute meeting after the game, with coach Stan Van Gundy present--a crucial detail--to discuss their three-game slide and their recent shortcomings. More from Robbins:
"They threw everything they had at us, and we folded," center Dwight Howard said later, after the locker room opened.
"We shouldn't fold. Nothing should break us and it did. Until everybody steps up on the team and mans up, then teams are going to throw their best punch at us and we're going to fold."
Point guard Jameer Nelson also expressed his frustration:
"We've just got to play harder," Nelson said. "That's it. Point blank. Basically, we can't say, '[Forget] it, we're not going to play defense' or 'I'm not going to play defense because I'm not making shots.' "
Oddly, a similarly dispiriting loss in Portland last season also fired up the Magic, with Matt Barnes becoming vocal with, but not hostile to, the media following the game. Here are some of Barnes' words, transcribed by the Sentinel's Brian Schmitz:
"It's like we are going through the motions," he said. "Just because you went to the Finals last year, you can't go out on the floor and expect teams to lay down. We got no heart. You can only make so many excuses. Everybody has to come and play hard, not just one or two guys.
"I've played on teams that used to love to punk the good teams in the league. We loved to do that."
We'll learn soon enough if this airing of grievances will improve the team's resolve and performance. The Magic face the Utah Jazz tonight at 9 PM.
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I don't know, I still feel like Barnes had such an inefable role for the team last year
He brought that tough attitude, that energy, that desire that is (lot of “thats”) “epidemic” for other people as well. You’re going to play hard(er) when you the guy next to you play hard. Q has worked hard and hustled, but I don’t know… he’s not the same as Barnes. Barnes looked like a crazy guy out there doing stuff.
Trade ......Trade.....Trade.......
Trade…..Trade…..Trade…. I think that is time for the Magic (Otis) to start looking for a trade to change the dynamic of the team ASAP; I think that the Magic need a wing player with a good defence and offensive skills, someone like Melo, Iguodala or Tyshaun Prince for example; if Orlando want to beat Miami or Boston in the playoffs they have to start to rebuild the roster very soon.
If this type of play continues
Otis will certainly make a trade at the deadline. Our offensive output this year is way out of whack, and right now Melo would not do us any worse than the guys we currently have.
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A trade might be needed, but
you mention Melo and Prince as examples “with a good defense” & “offensive skills”
-Melo has no defensive skills, well at least any more than Carter. Offensive skills he does possess.
-Prince is not the same Prince he was in 04, 05, or even 06. Sorry to burst your bubble, but he stinks now. He is not a good offensive player, and his defense is no where near as good as it used to be.
-I like the idea of Iggy. I have said this a few times myself. But I think it is more of a move for the future and I don’t know if the Magic have the pieces it would take to get him.
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Does anyone else notice whenever Dwight goes off on an insane and impressive game
that we typically lose? Not always, but more often than not it seems. It’s almost like the old Miami Heat theory we had: Let Wade go off an get his 40 and don’t let anyone else beat us on the team and we win.
Rashard, Vince and Q Rich’s play is starting to worry me. Rashard and Vince just seem old and tired, and Q Rich just doesn’t seem to be the right 3 for our team. Sure they have their good games, but not enough, not at the same time. We just don’t look like a contender right now.
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If I am someone not named Dwight on this team
I am half expected to be traded after December 15. Seriously that was a horrific display last night. I was gonna make a post about it but will just say it all here. Vince Carter will be traded. I don’t know who. But he will be gone by the deadline. Marcin Gortat likely will be gone as well. Brandon Bass or Ryan Anderson will be traded. Pietrus might be as well since he has an expiring contract. Honestly I think Jameer and Dwight are the safest as well as JJ due to the investment and SVG trusting him. At this point I don’t care if Carmelo, Iguodala or even Shane Battier who comes in. Dwight is visibally upset with this team. I don’t want to hear well this player is efficient or whatever. Watch these games. Some players just look like “who cares, just bring the playoffs already”. Unacceptable. When Dwight Howard changes and takes the leap, I don’t expect everyone to regress. Jameer is the only one who is having a career year. SVG can only do what can with what he has. Dwight even said it last night, “You can’t coach energy. You can’t coach hard work. It comes from a player. If you don’t want to play hard, you’ve got to sit down and let somebody else step up.” This team will not be the same one who goes into the playoffs, and if it is well expect to get knocked out in the semi’s or conference finals.
KG was still recovering
They were limiting his minutes. Also they play in the Atlantic. The worst division in the world. They can afford to do that. We play in the Southeast.
If I was Stan Van Gundy, I'd slap Rashard in the head...WAKE UP!
I know Vince had a worse night than Lewis, but Lewis’ average look mediocre to me for a player of his status (not to mention his paycheck). I’m blaming him for every Magic loss unless he steps up. 11 points, 12 points a night is not enough from him.
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Please read the write-up on Rashard - whereby Rashard's role limitations have been documented - and don't take his natural calmness for laziness or lack of efforts.
by Matt1325 on Dec 10, 2010 9:42 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It should be taken that way. He has no heart and could care less about game results, playing time or his stats.
by Matty B on Dec 10, 2010 6:59 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
He has internet access. He knows everything.
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He wrote it on the internet, so it must be true.
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I did read that but i still just dont see why he cant make the adjustment...
No matter how you put it, it just screams lack of effort and thats what most average fans will notice. Take Bass for example, that guy is just pure energy.whats hard for me to understand is Lewis was an All-Star.the production drop was just too sharp of a decline and still too early at this point in his career.
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Isn't this the same speech Howard said after we lost to Boston?
I don’t see this mentioned too often, but he’s yet to sign his contract extension. If he’s pissed off at the guys that are playing with him and management does nothing to change it, who’s to say some other team might work some back room deal to pair him up with another superstar like the heat did when he’s a free agent.
Its one thing to lose, but its worse to feel that the guys you’re going to war with aren’t busting their ass like you are.
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by AB's triple double on Dec 10, 2010 10:18 AM EST reply actions
He's not going to sign that extension, either. Not during the season.
by Evan Dunlap on Dec 10, 2010 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
I wouldn't sign anything if I were a player with a new collective bargaining agreement yet to be determined.
I also wouldn’t read too much into him not signing said agreement until this season (and new CBA in place) is over and done. Now, if we have a new CBA next year and he STILL hasn’t signed it, then we might want to worry a little.
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I don't understand the panic.
We lost two games while dealing with the black plague, and Jameer didn’t look to be 100% yet last night. Either way, Portland’s a tough place to play. Yeah, it’s been tough watching the last three games because they’ve been ugly games to watch (just not good basketball). Whatever. I think it’s a good sign that they already know their play is unacceptable and had a meeting about it, and we’ll see how effective that is tonight.
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True
This road trip is our first real taste of adversity: coming off illness for a road trip that includes 6 teams at .650 or better.
I’ll wait until this is over to chime in on what this team needs.
That being said…losing to a gimpy Portland is not a good start.
by Hoop Dreams on Dec 10, 2010 12:26 PM EST up reply actions
Hate to pile on Duhon
put the 2nd unit has just been really bad. There is just too big a drop-off between the 1st and 2nd units. Other than Bass, everything seems off.
One thing JWill was good at last season was constant communication. He always seemed to be talking to someone, players or coaches. When Duhon gets in, he has to command the offense and be able to hit some shots to keep the defense honest.
"A man has got to have a code." -Bunk, Season 1; Omar, Season 4.
JWill has been communicating with refs a lot this season!
but i agree Jwill maybe a better backup at the point now, given he knows the teammates and the plays better than Duhon.
I had no idea that SVG celebrated Festivus!
We’ll learn soon enough if this airing of grievances will improve the team’s resolve and performance.
Feats of Strength is probably over pretty quickly if VanGundy is the head of household.
I also have it, on my own authority, that I am an expert on this stuff.
by Redfield on Dec 10, 2010 8:45 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I screwed up the blockquotes, but you get the idea.
I also have it, on my own authority, that I am an expert on this stuff.
Rec'd. One of my favorite Seinfeld episodes.
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