For the Orlando Magic, Vince Carter Can Generate Offense Against Tough Defense
In this morning's Orlando Sentinel, columnist George Diaz expressed a sentiment I know a lot of Orlando Magic fans share: the team is fatally flawed against teams like the Boston Celtics and Miami Heat, which can single-cover Dwight Howard in the low post with a minimum of fuss. Diaz writes:
The Magic don't have any players who can break down a defense by going one-on-one, unless Vince Carter steps into a Hot Tub Time Machine and it's 1997 all over again.
Without one, they won't have a prayer of beating the Celtics or the Heat in a playoff series.
Some Magic fans are fond of saying "In Otis we trust." Some of the most skeptical ones may be saying "Otis, what were you thinking?" after Orlando's slumber party in Miami last Friday. Everybody except Dwight Howard fell asleep.
Diaz, as I said, isn't alone. CBSSports' Ken Berger said essentially the same thing after that bummer of a beatdown by Miami, and both men cited this quote from Magic coach Stan Van Gundy:
"Against a good defensive team we have trouble a little bit. We don't have — and this isn't to put down anybody in our locker room — but we don't have the great one-on-one players. We don't have [Dwyane] Wade and [LeBron] James and Paul Pierce and Kobe Bryant."
What the Magic do have is Carter, who was coming off a season in which he averaged 20.8 points, 5.1 boards, and 4.7 assists--All-Star-caliber production, to be honest--when they acquired him in 2009. And, rather significantly, he got a plurality of his offense that year in isolation--that is, in one-on-one--situations, at 21.3 percent. But that season, with the New Jersey Nets, may indeed represent his final campaign of such sustained productivity. To call Carter's first campaign with Orlando "uneven" is to be charitable, although he at least impressed me with his performance from February to April. And, when called upon, he did show flashes of his former self in getting big baskets at key junctures, even outside that timeframe. We explore that topic in detail after the jump.
On November 20th, Carter led the Magic with 26 points, albeit on 10-of-29 shooting, in a road win against the Celtics. Indeed, the raw numbers don't look pretty, but we must consider context: Dwight Howard was a non-entity on offense, and though Mickael Pietrus and Rashard Lewis did an admirable job banging in their open three-pointers (they combined to go 6-of-9 from beyond the arc) the Magic had to rely on Carter to get them clutch buckets. Which he did. He hit a tough turnaround jumper from the left baseline over considerable pressure from Paul Pierce to break a 78-all tie and give Orlando a lead it wouldn't relinquish, which proved to be the biggest basket of the game. And two possessions prior, he drove into the teeth of Boston's defense and converted an and-one opportunity.
Five nights later, Carter drilled a deep three-pointer against Miami to give the Magic a 98-95 lead with 14 seconds to play. The Magic lost the game when the Heat converted offensive rebounds into baskets on their next two possessions, sandwiching two consecutive missed free throws by Jason Williams. If Michael Beasley hadn't dunked in Dwyane Wade's miss at the buzzer, Carter's remembered as a hero here. And he finished second to Williams on the team in scoring, with 22 points on the night.
On February 8th, Carter turned in a performance for the ages--what may ultimately be remembered as his finest in a Magic uniform--when he dropped 48 points on the New Orleans Hornets. And while "48" is the number from that game foremost in our minds, we ought not lose sight of the number "17," which represents what Orlando's deficit ballooned to early in the second half before Carter took over with a remarkable display of drives to the basket and difficult, yet on-target, jumpers. 34 second-half points for Carter, on 13-of-17 shooting from the floor. New Orleans' defense isn't great, clearly, but nobody scores an efficient 48 in this league without doing a lot of things right.
Carter's biggest, high-profile Magic success came in a Sunday matinee as the Magic hosted the L.A. Lakers in a Finals rematch. Carter, brought in expressly for his offensive prowess, set the tone by scoring 15 points of the Magic's 31 first-quarter points on 2 shot attempts; he went a perfect 10-of-10 from the foul line, leveraging Ron Artest's aggressive defense against him. Carter faded in the second and third quarters, settling for fadeaway jumpers as the Lakers sent extra defenders at him--his around-the-back escape dribble followed by a drifting jumper, which he clanked off the front iron, as Pau Gasol left the paint stood out in particular--but he did score 5 points in the final 5 minutes, with Orlando ultimately prevailing by two.
March 24th proved to be another evening in which an improbable, game-ending jam by an opponent overshadowed a key trey from Carter. The Magic trailed the Atlanta Hawks by 13 midway through the fourth quarter before clawing back, and Carter's deep three-pointer from straightaway tied the game at 84 with 9.9 seconds to play. On the Magic's previous possession, he took advantage of Atlanta's poor pick-and-roll coverage and drove the lane for an authoritative dunk, setting the stage for his three-pointer. As we know, the scoring was merely academic, as Josh Smith pounded home Joe Johnson's off-the-mark offering over Matt Barnes' solid defense for the last good memory the Hawks have of a game involving Orlando.
In the Magic's Game One loss to the Celtics in the Eastern Conference Finals, Carter led the team in scoring, with 23 points on an above-average 55.7 percent True Shooting mark. Oft cited is the fact that he scored 11 points in 57 minutes during Orlando's two victories in that series, as if that fact proves the Magic are better off when he stinks, or something. In its four losses, he scored 17.8 points per game on 50.9 percent True Shooting. The efficiency isn't great, no, but it's not awful, either, and the team certainly needed the volume.
The above instances are specific examples, so let's take a broader view: Carter played 13 games last season against the Celtics, Lakers, Charlotte Bobcats, and Milwaukee Bucks, who, along with the Magic, ranked in the top five in Defensive Efficiency last year. Against those teams, Carter averaged 19.5 points per game on a reasonably efficient--given the competition--54.3 percent True Shooting mark, crossing the 20-point barrier 8 times. Further, he was roughly as aggressive in those games as he was on the year, earning 0.294 free-throw attempts per field-goal attempt against the defensive elite, versus a 0.301 ratio overall. I know the playoffs left most everyone with a sour opinion of Carter, but it's hard to support the idea that he didn't bring it against tough competition last year.
I don't present these examples and facts as definitive proof that Carter still has his "mojo," as it were. They're just the foremost instances of Carter generating offense in key situations during his time in Magic pinstripes. Put another way, they merely suggest that he still has it in him. And before Orlando pulls the trigger on a trade for another shot-creating wing--which seems likely if its trend of failing against the league's stiffest defense continues--GM Otis Smith needs to re-evaluate what he has with Carter. The Magic's next game against an elite defense is slated for November 24th, a rematch against the Heat. If Carter can get buckets against a defense featuring either Wade or James on the ball, with the other sliding over to provide help off it, then perhaps his hometown team can afford to keep him around. The Magic organization, from Smith down to the players, wants Carter to be VINCE CARTER, in all capitals, after all.
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Take a look at this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIbbB3j2E9c
What he did in the 1st quarter he can always do. He just has to be forced/played for that. When you have a scorer on the floor, how about you use him? How about that? He becomes passive/out of game when they run the offense by posting Dwight. That’s cool, but it should happen with a 2/5 pick and roll to make both Dwight and Vince going.
Look at how the Nets were using him and do that, with the adjustments of making Dwight and Vince conlucrate.
The problem is that other players want their share of shots with plays created for them (Jameer, Rashard). If these two players would be moving more off the ball and taking the opportunities that arise while Vince and Dwight play the pick and roll, we’d be a so much better team.
One more thing:
If you look at what the Magic does when they post Dwight… they pass him the ball and then they retreat on the perimeter to isolate Dwight in the post and wait for the bailout pass if he’s double teamed.
That’s a good strategy when the three is dropping (or when the defense is not elite or when they double team) but if they don’t double team, I’d send players in the paint even if that does crowd Howard. Stuff has to happen inside and people need to move off the ball to create havoc to such defenses. Not just stand around (really, just staying there doing nothing) and wait for Dwight to do whatever he is allowed to by the defense.
who thought Orlando would ever be a team of watching Dwight??
I don’t know if that is a good thing or a bad thing. Dwight looked great. But man everyone else looked like Mo WIlliams, Delonte West, Jamison, and Varejao.
That's because there's no motion occuring while Dwight does his thing
Orlando Magic players should move around the perimeter getting position, setting picks for each other off the ball while Dwight is in the post and thus create open shots. If Dwight can score, great. If Dwight is double teamed/picks up his dribble/whatever – he can pass the ball to open teammates. This works even if he doesn’t get double teamed and is played with single coverage since if the other 4 players are setting picks for each other and getting open, then this happens:
1) Either the opposing defense gives too much attention to Dwight and miss what happens off the ball = open shots for the other 4 players;
2) Either the opposing defense gives too little attention to Dwight and then he needs to attack the basket.
My guess is, by observation, that teams tend to collapse even if just a bit on the inside and players will LOOK in the direction of the ball when the ball is inside to Dwight. That’s when the off ball movement should occur for the Magic.
It's only Game 2...
I hate how George Diaz throws VC under the bus and it’s only Game 2…
The guy played great this preseason and had a good Game 1 (even if it’s vs. Washington…)
Let’s see how it goes and make a judgement by mid-end December
We need to find that magic number of minutes which Carter could be used efficiently and effectively.
He can certainly still produce but at what usage rate and in which intervals, that is the question. Nice work for pulling the chronology together, Evan.
That's not the matter
The matter is using him RIGHT. That’s the culprit. And the Magic aren’t doing that at this point.
On the contrary
Considering that Carter’s abilities have diminished, what I have suggested is all that matters, and it is inclusive of your point, as well.
Hey guys, can you tell me whether Melo’s still got the Magic on his preferred teams list? Is he willing to sign an extension with them?
Yeah there's word around that the Magic want to sign Anthony Johnson to a ~15 mil $ contract so that they can trade him for Melo later
That way we won’t lose anybody and have Melo as well.
How cool is that?
I remember each of these games
Carter has been clutch and can produce still…the problem is that come playoff time, he doesn’t bring it every game..some games it seems like he just doesn’t try as hard, and we can’t have that aganist the good teams come playoff time
Again, I’m hoping Carter changes that attitude, but at age 34, I’m skeptical
The issue is somewhere in there VC has the one-on-one talent…he just doesn’t have the heart, hustle, or motivation to bring it out when adversity stares him directly in the face. I still think we can beat the Heat in a 7 game series as is. I still consider them the glorified Atlanta Hawks. Friday was an anomaly, we had no drive and quit at the first sign of struggle. That won’t happen again.
"Where do you go from here, Dion?" "I go to Toronto."
Spreading that Calgary Flames, Montreal Expos, The U, and Orlando Magic love.
I think he means athletic team with no idea of half court offense
If the Heat that showed up to the Magic lost with the Celtics, you can only imagine how great the Celtics defense is. Thankfully, that wasn’t the case.
Yeah exactly...that's what I mean...
Also, they lack serviceable size at 4 and 5.
"Where do you go from here, Dion?" "I go to Toronto."
Spreading that Calgary Flames, Montreal Expos, The U, and Orlando Magic love.
so how exactly do we use carter the right way?
i meen he averaged 16 4 an 3 last year with 30 mins. i just dont get it i KNOW he still has lots left in the tank but like KingJafi said if he dosent bring heart and motivation to go along with his talent then its no use.the motivation was last year when he was in the ecf which was the closest he ever been to a championship ring
That's because he feels useless in this format that the Magic is currently playing
They don’t use him like they should use a scorer. They use him as a role player and he plays with the mindset of a role player. In order for Vince to be Vince he has to be played like Vince. Look at the Nets teams for examples of that.
i dont get where this is coming from
what you describe is how they were using him in the pre-season
Well he barely touched the ball in the Heat game when he was on the floor
Or had any plays called for him.
The truth of the matter is that except Dwight, everybody played terrible in that game.
Wow. I'm seeing game postponed
Apparently it’s raining asbestos inside MSG.
by Benwa3 on Nov 2, 2010 3:09 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I'm sure Vince is motivated plenty
…by the fact he doesn’t have a championship ring, and he knows he’s not getting any younger.
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by Mike from Illinois on Nov 2, 2010 7:44 PM EDT reply actions
I am unsure of the point of this article
Yes the Miami loss was brutal, and it stung, but really first off no one should be surprised. The Miami Heat have three of the top players at their respective positions in their prime, and it was their home opener. We had both shooting guards get nailed to the floor in the first half, and they were calling touch fouls to prepare us for how the post season will unravel. All in all, while it was disappointing how the Magic came out in the second half after all that happened, it can be lived with. It was a shame and you would hope for a better effort, but really how often do the Magic score 70 points? They need to post up people and learn to create better mismatches and quite honestly settle down. They can score more than 70 points with a hand in their face on every shot. Carter will score, he was doing fine before the beatdown, they just got out hustled and folded. Game 2 of the season against the super friends in their home opener. This to me reeks of the playoffs last year where they played a cake schedule then walked into the lions den unprepared for the ferocity.
If you were a man I would punch you, right in the mouth.
The point is pretty clear. A lot of people are skeptical about Carter's ability to produce against elite teams, so I investigated and found he did OK.
It wasn’t just about the Heat loss, man.
The knock on Carter is not only unfair but is also unwarranted.
It is true that his capabilities have somewhat diminished, but to question his motivation and desire for championship is rather absurd. All NBA players undoubtedly dream of a championship ring. While some may argue that Carter sometimes folds under pressure, they can only push it as far as “sometimes”.
yeah really
I needed to say that stuff to reassure myself. I just used your article as an excuse. My bad. I just needed to get that off my chest and make myself believe these guys will come through in crunch time.
If you were a man I would punch you, right in the mouth.

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