Time to wake up
by Mateo9399 on Oct 31, 2010 2:50 PM EDT
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The Magic will not win a championship this season the way they are constructed. Yes they will still win about 59 games. They will finish in the top 5 for offense and defense.Probably have the second best record. Play the bulls and get to the conference finals. And then the season will end. I can not be convinced otherwise. It now seems it wont matter even it Dwight goes off. We have essentially become a one man team. If the Magic want to win a championship they need to mine explode it. Jameer(who I am his biggest fan), Vince, Bass, Pietrus, Gortat and draft picks must be moved to in attempt to try and get better players. You have to try and get Chris Paul, Danny Granger, and/or Andre Iguodala. Maybe by getting Iguodala grabbing Jrue Holiday. It seems that Lou Williams should be the starter there.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2adn768
Taking the fan glass this probably does not allow us to the win the championship but this does give the Magic a younger nucleus to work with in the future. So go ahead and make as many crazy trades as possible but something has to change for Orlando if they want to win a championship instead of killing mediocre NBA teams.
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http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2agjvl2
I would literally wet myself if Otis can pull this off. Give the Pacers this years first round pick and a second. And give the Hornets some picks. Philly is young as it is and probably just wants to get younger and save cap space.
I understand where you're coming from
but I disagree. It’s too soon to blow anything up. Give it a month or two, and let’s see how we fair against other elite teams. One game it just not enough to know. Chris Paul is not going anywhere right away, I don’t think.
Like I said, I get your point, but it still seems a bit premature.
I don't agree
I think this team CAN win it all. The Miami game has too many one-of-a-kind variables that will never again come into play. They had parties planned after the game. They were legitimizing all that they had planned. That team was playing for their lives and the Magic came into the second half on rubber legs. A back-to-back on your 2nd game of the season is hard.
Miami’s defense was a loose cannon. They hurt VC. They gave JJ 7 stitches. And more. They can’t do that every night and they won’t be able to in Orlando November 24th. You will see a very different game, then.
Don’t panic. If a trigger needs pulling, we’ll know in February. Remember that the same team that slaughtered Orlando looked like a D-league team in Boston just a few nights earlier. Miami only gets one opening night at home to introduce the Superfriends. In each of the next 3 meetings (2 at Orlando and 1 at Miami), neither team will be playing on a back-to-back 2nd night.
If we lose those games, then we might need to push that big red button. But I don’t see any reason to do it now.
Remember this: Boston sucked last year, right up til the end, when they beat everybody and almost beat the Lakers.
Don’t lose faith in this roster. We’re 2 in with 80 to go. Hang in there.
For now…
It's not really panic
It is more like a realization that we need someone who can break down a defense. The 4-1 is the best offense. The triangle is great. But the Triangle had Michael and Kobe to break down a defense when needed. Maybe an Iguodala. I want him and Granger. That gives a balanced big three where Iggy becomes a lock down defender, Granger the shooter, and Dwight….well is Dwight. Man he looked great Friday before phantom fouls came out of nowhere.
An a combined salary of $115 million
"Teams are making adjustments to us, it’s not the other way around," Smith said. "Right after (the Heat) signed LeBron and Bosh, they went out and signed eight centers. So I’m not overly concerned."
I'll tell ya about the Magic It'll free your soul but it's like trying to tell a stranger 'bout rock n roll
by NC Magic Fan on Nov 1, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Our team salary doesn’t change much. In an actual trade we pick up okefor as well.
What we lose though is:
Jameer Nelson
Vince Carter
Mickel Pietrus
Ryan Anderson
Marcin Gortat
Its still a decent bench too:
1. Chris Paul – Chris Duhon/Jwill
2. JJ Redick – QRich/Jwill
3. Carmelo Anthony – Lewis/Qrich
4. Rashard Lewis – Brandon Bass/Emeka Okafor
5. Dwight Howard -Emeka okafor/Malik Allen/ Brandon bass
Decent bench and a slayer starting 5. Me want.
Melo
I don’t think we are getting him. I also am not sure we can get Paul. I am kind of interested in getting Jrue Holiday. He is young and I like what SVG could potentially do with him. If SVG can make Turk a great player and turn Rashard into a legit PF, what can he do with a young, talented, and albeit raw kid? And since it does not look like we can get under the cap or get high draft picks, you have to mini explode it. Get younger and try building with another young core.
This same logic put together a line up that cant score against elites unless dwight is scoring. I’d rather not gamble on ending up with the same thing.
The roster above is a best case scenario considering what is actually trade-able this season and our assets.
who is gonna play defense on Kobe, LeBron and Paul Pierce
That’s why I like Iggy. Plus he doesn’t have delusions of grandeur. I don’t see him going to New York to be a mega star a la Carmelo. Iggy, is a basketball player. Plus Jrue Holiday is really, really, really, young. I really want Granger(how did we pass up on him????). He seems to passing a little more. Plus those two have been on horrible teams their whole lives in the NBA. A chance to play with Dwight, in big games, in front of sell out crowds every night, and playing for a coach who will do whatever it takes to get the most out of you; you have to think that would make them so hungry and would be getting the most out of them. Plus they seem to be good locker room people and good community people(i.e not Gilbert Arenas.) I mean Holiday would be like Rondo was four years ago. No one knew who he was and everyone was wondering if that could work with the Big Three. No Rondo is their best player. Amazing what playing with talent and a good coach can do for you.
This idea that Van Gundy uses people to the max of their talent seems created to me. Give me an example or quit talking about flipping jrue holiday becoming the next rondo. Every player I’ve seen go the magic got worse.
Exception is Rafer Alston, but he just looked good in place of Jameer who cannot throw the ball over the top of screen and rolls. Funny enough, we went to the finals on him leading the team, not Jameer who was injured.
Everyone else seems to under achieve except howard.
Hedo Turkoglu??
Sucks without SVG. Courtney Lee was a starter on a Finals Team. JJ Reddick was on the verge of becoming Adam Morrison. Rashard Lewis switched positions and became an All-Star at it. In Miami he took a team that was 0-7 to the playoffs. He would have won a title with Shaq and Dwight but they were both injured for a Game 7. Don’t tell me he has not maxed out talent. Gortat has become a good player. Brandon Bass is A MUCH better player this year than he was last year. Only person to underachieve in my eyes is Vince Carter.
Brandon Bass is doing nothing he didn’t do in Dallas.
It’s hard to judge players only SVG has coached like Redick or Gortat. Redick was on the verge of becoming whatever he was going to become under SVG as well.
As for lewis he was an all star before he came here, moving him to the 4 hasn’t turned out to be all its cracked up to be. But then again neither had 1in 4 out.
Hedo was good in this system because any play maker with ability to pass over the top of a pick and roll would be good if Howard was the guy setting the pick and rolling. The fact that they still don’t have a play maker as good as freaking turkoglu is an indictment of the moves the organization has made, not how awesome turkoglu is.
Carmelo Anthony-Dwight Howard screen and roll.
Chris Paul- Dwight Howard screen and roll.
Thats the type of combo that pushes this team from elite to unstoppable. And it doesn’t have to Paul or Melo, but why can’t we have a duo of that caliber?
Carter was the best we could do at the time, but now trades are going crazy due to the cba and the new path lit by wade, bron, and bosh. Paul and Melo want to play together, make their own big 3. It’s my opinion that Orlando should be going all in trying to get them to see the light of playing with Dwight instead of Amare. And then sell the house to make it happen, take the same stance the heat did, just get those 2 added and let the pieces fall.
And Evan Dunlap cannot effectively gauge talent.
Synergy stats or not, Melo doing a pick and roll with dwight is not some offensive maestro’ing, its the most basic play in basketball.
The fact that he’s shooting 1 on 1 contested jumpers with any efficiency at all should have you dying to get him in a system thats makes him not have to deal with his man by himself.
Both things that not only my objective opinion, but stats would also confirm.
Take your pompous bs somewhere else. Saying things i believe that are true at best and arguable at worst does not an argument make.
Please confirm this with stats.
I shalt wait till that be confirmed.
who would of thought we would be arguably the greatest of all time
around here we developed such a sound down here
but duplicate it off the steel it can only be found here
by 4QB on Nov 2, 2010 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Shaq PER 09-10 – 17.9
Perkins PER 09-10 – 13.2
by David Polega on Nov 3, 2010 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Which proves...
…that Shaq shoots at a greater volume.
That’s all PER does — it’s a volume stat. It can do a bit with efficiency, but it doesn’t really say anything about defense. And defense is the thing Perkins specializes in, and the thing which makes Shaq a liability at this point.
You mess with the 4-out/1-in, you get the Horns.
David lee vs kobe byrant have very small differences in PER.
Shaq has nearly a 30% higher PER.
Magic Mark asked for statistics since common sense failed him. So I showed statistics. Now your saying PER doesn’t matter because all star david lee has the same PER as kobe in his declining years.
Shaq’s defense as a liability is something I discussed in the other thread. Boston has elite wing defenders, Garnett at the 4- if there is a scenario in which shaqs inability to help on a screen can be minimized in impact, its boston. And like all the sudden I’m supposed to believe kendrick perkins some speed demon, they’re both slow.
Not that this is what the issue is here. The issue is that you cannot make an argument that tries to discredit me on a different topic by offering an opinion of mine that is both reasonable and statistically supportable.
This:
1) Adds nothing to the conversation.
2) Proves your infatuation with post stalking me, which I don’t care about but think is funny.(not you 3.3, talking top magic mark. You’re at least willing to think about the discussion and offer further insight)
3) Disrespects me, an intelligent magic fan.
4) Does not make any point if you are attempting to do so.
5) Further entrenches you into the roll of a troll, lessening at the very least, my own respect for you.
Uhh, I asked you to prove that Brandon Bass was good.
who would of thought we would be arguably the greatest of all time
around here we developed such a sound down here
but duplicate it off the steel it can only be found here
by 4QB on Nov 3, 2010 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Heres a good one:
PER for 09-10
Ryan Anderson 18.15
Brandon Bass 16.54
Seems like a worthwhile comparison!
DIDN'T YOU KNOW THAT RYAN ANDERSON
IS ONLY GOOD BECAUSE HE TAKES A LOT OF SHOTS? OBVIOUSLY, HE’S THE NEXT DIRK.
who would of thought we would be arguably the greatest of all time
around here we developed such a sound down here
but duplicate it off the steel it can only be found here
by 4QB on Nov 3, 2010 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Which is why I do believe its arguable, and would NOT say “coming from a guy who believes Ryan anderson is better than bass” in a conversation thats has nothing to do with it and pretend it makes any point at all.
It doesn’t make any point, particularly one that has anything to do with this discussion.
You ought to notice how often I note that I’m speculating on something or admit it is subjective, or admit its the best guess with information we have.
Nothing is fact looking forward, and act some pompously over Shaq vs Perkins or Bass being omg a top 5 player on orlando is ridiculous. You’re doing nothing to add to the conversation, just trolling?
do you understand?
Calling long time members of the blog trolls is not a good way
to get people on your side.
who would of thought we would be arguably the greatest of all time
around here we developed such a sound down here
but duplicate it off the steel it can only be found here
by 4QB on Nov 3, 2010 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions
My hole point is that its arguable, and not an absolute truth. Which is why you can’t scoff in a argument at a defensible opinion that had nothing to do with it and pretend you made a point.
by David Polega on Nov 3, 2010 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions
You’ve used nothing as evidence. Which is the greater evil?
by David Polega on Nov 3, 2010 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions
The Artist formely known as Ben Q. Rock is correct.
Melo needs to play in New York. I know they run pick and roll a lot, but they shoot a lot. He might even fit better in a Golden State offense.
Really think Iggy and Granger would fit perfect here.
Iggy does pass really great and lock down on defense. And Granger shoots lights out and actually plays pretty solid defense. If they could just find a way to get those two. I would cry.
There is no stat showing him and Howard running a pick and roll is ineffective.
Sometimes you seem to get lost in stats without actually thinking about the game of basketball, this is a very clear example.
If melo can make a contest shot or drive, why couldn’t he do it coming off a screen. The dudes talented, and the idea he couldn’t feed howard on the roll is ridiculous. Seriously I could make that pass and I barely even played college ball.
There is no question in anybody’s head that has actually played basketball besides trash time at the rec the a Melo/Howard pick and roll would be effective. He can shoot, he’s fast, and he’s tall enough to see over the D.
Some times its as simple as hit the nail with the hammer, with no concern over how well the hammer swings, how quickly you swing it, or what metal it is made out of. You’re still hammering a nail. Tall ball handling scorers, especially at his level will make a pick and roll work.
He is better than Hedo yeah? If ya don’t think so I’m just wasting time typing.
Cuz they run iso’s for him over and over that he scores on he’s not a play maker?
Are you saying he couldn’t use the screen?
Are you saying he couldn’t hit an open look off the screen?
Are you saying he couldn’t take it to the cup against a player that fought over the screen?
Are you saying he couldn’t make an entry pass to Howard if Howard’s man Hedged him?
Tell me which of these things he can’t do and maybe I can understand why a simple 3/5 pick and roll could possibly not work with an athletic, tall, elite scorer.
The function of Anthony in our offense would be to give us a go-to option using a screen and roll with dwight howard. Not handle the ball everywhere, just run pick and roll from the wing with dwight.
What sets teammates up from there is spacing. Either the double comes or the hoops are made.
I’m of the belief that Melo can pass to shooters off a double team. I can’t say for certain because Denver runs Iso’s just so melo won’t get doubled and trust his efficiency from there so I will grant that my belief that he can pass out of a double team is speculation.
Yeah!
Never mind what the stats say actually happens on the court! I like this guy, so he should be able to do what I wish he could do!
You mess with the 4-out/1-in, you get the Horns.
When you see Denver running Iso after Iso for melo over and over and he keeps scoring… There is skill and talent at work there- and talent like that should work better with an atheltic big doing a screen and roll.
I don’t honestly understand how it would be worse.
Explain why 3/5 pnr wouldn’t work.
Saying what you think does nothing to add to the argument unless you give some basis for it.
Shouldn’t be shocked though, it is your posting pattern.
Being a scorer is making a play in my opinion. In a wider sense, being a scorer coming off a screen with highest jumping big in the league rolling to basket is automatic play making.
again, where did i ever say that it wouldnt work????
he is a scorer – not a playmaker, which is why he has averaged 3 assists a game for his career. this is a very low number for someone of his usage rate.
So the argument isn’t it wouldn’t work, you’ve narrowed it down completely to the fact that he averages 3 assist for his career.
Scoring is play making, when getting doubled passing out of it is play making.
Its odd that knowing that their using him in iso’s you still give so much weight to his assist average. The ball in the offense he is in rightly stops in his hands on an iso on very many possessions.
Once again all tag line, 0 substance. I continue to wonder what you believe you are bringing to the conversation. If you just want to drop tag lines and spew nonsense go post on you tube videos.
He keeps scoring by using possessions ineffectively.
And the fact that he’s willing to do that suggests that he’s probably not a guy who can be easily coached into playing smart basketball.
You mess with the 4-out/1-in, you get the Horns.
The possession is ending on him by design. He’s got a freaking 22.3 PER. Where is the awful player you guys are imagining?
PER is skewed in favor of volume.
Possessions ending with him yield fewer points for his team than possessions ending with practically any other player on the Nuggets. You can call it “design”, but it’s not good design.
You mess with the 4-out/1-in, you get the Horns.
Step 1, normal motion play yields no open look.
Step 2, Get Melo on the Iso usually late on the shot clock.
Step 3, Criticize his efficiency
by David Polega on Nov 3, 2010 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Nope.
We’ve already gone over this — Melo is not shooting “usually late in the shot clock”. As often as not, he is hoisting those shots as the first choice.
You mess with the 4-out/1-in, you get the Horns.
You have stats showing when he’s taking those shots in the shot clock?
Thats a pretty advanced statistic, and I’ve never seen it- therefore I doubt your legitimacy in citing it but would be interested in such a database if you could point me to it.
“hoisting” contested jumpers early in the clock wouldn’t be tolerable, and as I’ve actually watch denver play I know its not true. They run a simple motion or 2, then settle for melo on an isolation. There are special circumstances where they need a bucket or if he just got scored on he will indeed try to answer shooting in someone’s face, but I like that honestly.
I still think its ridiculous to argue efficiency about a player on a winning team with a 22.3 PER, but I guess as long as you want to, I will.
Melo's shot-clock usage, per 82Games.com
Shots taken within 0-10 seconds: 37%
Shots taken within 11-15 seconds: 25%
Shots taken within 16-20 seconds: 12%
Shots taken in final three seconds: 25%
Come on man
Melo is really great, no one is denying that. He just does not fit into this type of offense and he is not really efficient. Can not see him working in the Triangle or 4-1. He would fit perfect in Golden State. But I really don’t think Carmelo fits not just the offense. The guy never ever passes the ball. And they play at such a high pace that all of his numbers are slightly esqued(not sure if that is correct spelling).
Yeh I forgot, we need ultra efficient jrue holiday.
How can you possibly guess how melo would fit in a PnR system when you don’t even know how efficient he would be using Howard as a screen.
He can shoot, drive, draw fouls, defend, he’s tall and can even handle the ball.
Offensive systems don’t use a hybrid of previous stats to operate. They use the actual player, operate efficiently based on the skill sets of that actual player.
I can’t break this down any further. Carmelo Anthony is a very good basketball player, A tall player that can drive, shoot and handle the ball into the lane. His skill set would improve almost any offense, much less one where he was replacing matt barnes or quentin richardson.
Is it that you think that if Dwight’s man comes out to hedge on the screen and dwight rolls open Melo won’t pass the ball to the open howard rolling to the rim? If you’re good enough that the big on Dwight Howard has to switch to you to hedge the shot- the pass is going to be the easy part. You’re passing to a 6’11 high jumping monster whose man isn’t guarding him.
As basic as I can explain since assuming any level of logical steps be made ends up leading to me typing another paragraph spelling it out anyway.
lol at he holiday
Nice. I am serious, that was good, but to your other points, yes I would trade for Carmelo in a heartbeat, I just don’t think we would win a championship with him. That is what I am trying to say. Maybe we could, maybe we couldn’t. I prefer to have Iguodala and Granger, because I think they “fit” better, aside from Iggy not being a great shooter, both culture wise, strategy wise, and long term franchise wise. Iggy is a great defender who also is explosive. Granger is a great shooter who plays good defense. Just my two cents.
And I’m all I’m saying is that it’s a guess. you dont know how granger or iggy would fit anymore than you knwo if jrue holiday or melo would.
All you can evaluate is skillsets, and melo dwarfs the other 2 in that department. I like granger and Iggy but they are not Carmelo Anthony.
Melo is a better scorer than they are
I wouldn’t say he is heads and shoulders above them. Different skill sets. Like as far as just pure scoring he is better. I would rate him third behind Durant and Kobe. However I think Granger is a better shooter and Iguodala is a better defender and passer. After you get past the top 5 players in the league everyone else is subjective to what you want in a player. To me the five best players are Kobe, Lebron, Wade, Durant and Dwight. Everything after that is subjective, but to me no one is better than those five. Place them where you want but those are easily the five best players.
Not so sure
Bass actually attempts to play defense in Orlando compared to Dallas. That is my point exactly about Hedo. SVG made him a great player. Coaches make players and players make coaches. Ask Michael, Kobe, and Shaq what they won before Phil Jackson.
Do you just make this stuff up?
Jordan was dunking on everybody his first season in the league. Kobe was always under phil, you can’t really gauge his effect on the actual player. Shaq’s numbers were monstrous before he went to the lakers and he won one for the heat, and didn’t do bad in orlando either.
What LA has is an attractive organization making the right moves with a coach that deals with egos well, not necessarily player development. This is not to say jackson is bad, only that you’re completely over gauging player development. James was dominant right out of highschool for example. Jennings scored 50 his rookie game.
And Jordan started blowing up the rim as soon as he stepped foot on an nba court.
Kobe did not always have Phil.
Jordan was great yes but he did not win anything until Phil got there. It works both ways. Great players make great coaches, but great coaches make players great as well. And Shaq won with Pat Riley, who only has five championships.
Phil didn’t even have rodman practice.
Sometimes being a coach is not about player development. Phil has skill in setting up an offense and handling egos.
I think player development by any Nba coach is over rated, Free agency removes most of the incentive to do so and any improvement made by the player is either natural development or work with assistants.
by David Polega on Nov 3, 2010 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree with your last point as well
If they could get both I would try. They would both want Carter and you can only send him to one spot. I think maybe getting Paul and Granger is possible. Not saying it’s gonna happen. But I think Pietrus and Bass plus picks could get Granger(they have George waiting to take over his spots). Then try and get Paul. Or maybe grab Iguodala. I like Jameer, I really don’t think he has had a running mate in the backcourt to help him.
good trade
i think we need 2 trade carter i would really like 2 see him get his first ring but right now that is not tha main concern.philly i think would offfer igoudala and jason kapono for vinve carter and pietrus
I am not sure they would
If they could get Carter’s expiring contract I think they would be content. Throw in a second round pick and they might take it. I would try to get Jrue Holiday as well. Even if it means Ryan Anderson or hopefully they would take Daniel Orton. Maybe Bass(if we don’t trade Anderson) and Pietrus expiring contract plus a first round and a second round could get us Granger. I am sure none of this will happen but it is fun to dream.
Dunno why yer sprung on jrue holiday.
33% shooting on 8ppg last season is terrifying to me with the magic.
I dont either
Maybe it is something about UCLA point guards. But I literally have no idea. I think he has potential but needs a coach who can get it out of him.
Shooting percentages don't mean any thing! Jrue obviously will be a better player than MJ ever was!
"Teams are making adjustments to us, it’s not the other way around," Smith said. "Right after (the Heat) signed LeBron and Bosh, they went out and signed eight centers. So I’m not overly concerned."
I'll tell ya about the Magic It'll free your soul but it's like trying to tell a stranger 'bout rock n roll
by NC Magic Fan on Nov 2, 2010 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions
jrue would be a good addition i think
but if we were 2 git him wouldnt that meen to trade jameer or duhon?
I can’t believe some of the delusional comments in this thread.
"Where do you go from here, Dion?" "I go to Toronto."
Spreading that Calgary Flames, Montreal Expos, The U, and Orlando Magic love.
by KingJafi on Nov 2, 2010 2:22 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
We need a way to force trades on posters!
"Teams are making adjustments to us, it’s not the other way around," Smith said. "Right after (the Heat) signed LeBron and Bosh, they went out and signed eight centers. So I’m not overly concerned."
I'll tell ya about the Magic It'll free your soul but it's like trying to tell a stranger 'bout rock n roll
by NC Magic Fan on Nov 2, 2010 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Listen.
In the last 2 years, the Magic have just about a .500 record against the Celtics. The Magic have just about a .500 record against the Lakers. They’re 0-1 against the Heat, but that’s a matter of sample size.
Can they get better? Sure.
Have they gotten better? I think so, but it’s hard to tell without sufficient evidence.
But as of this point, all the evidence suggests that the Magic are just about equal to the league’s other elite teams. (The Heat being the wild card in this scenario… nobody knows exactly how good the Heat are.)
You mess with the 4-out/1-in, you get the Horns.
Are you saying losing bench players to improve our starting 5 is a bad idea because we might be as good as other elites or just reacting to mateo’s apparent panic?
I like the magic as is, and believe they have a good shot at a championship as is, but our team could be better, and I find that exciting- not a reason for quarrel.
The latter.
I feel it’s ridiculous to suggest that we’re definitely not a title-winning team, when there’s not a team out there that has consistently beaten us. Disregarding the Heat, because we don’t know too much about the Heat yet, I feel the Magic have at worst a 50-50 chance against every team in this league.
I’m lukewarm on the matter of trades, both because I feel that bringing in players mid-season is generally kind of dumb, and because a lot of the specific players being mentioned don’t appeal to me. But that wasn’t really what I was talking about.
You mess with the 4-out/1-in, you get the Horns.
I’m luke warm till I see what trades there are. Rafer Alston was a middle of the season trade and nearly won us a championship, for example. I really miss skip to my lou :(
I’m with you though, a game where shard shot for crap and vince and JJ both got hurt is not indicative of how the magic will fair vs the heat.
Doesn’t mean I don’t wet my pants over any trade that brings Chis Paul to Dwight Howard.
Alston was along for the ride.
Given that Nelson was the key player in both of the Magic’s regular-season wins over the Lakers, I find it hard to believe that deal was anything but the Magic shoring up a position following injury.
And yeah, Chris Paul is the notable exception here. The Magic should do practically anything to get Chris Paul. Even if it backfires this year, that’s worth doing long-term.
You mess with the 4-out/1-in, you get the Horns.
I saw games that year that Alston carried that team, and lots of analysts say we lost that series because Stan was trying to use Jameer and broke alston’s rhythm.
Rafer Alston is not the better player, but his court vision and ability to hit floaters running down the lane made him gel really well with the magic.
by David Polega on Nov 3, 2010 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Analysts are Analysts,
for a reason.
who would of thought we would be arguably the greatest of all time
around here we developed such a sound down here
but duplicate it off the steel it can only be found here
I agree, I think we lost that series cuz courtney lee missed an open lay up.
But the fact that alston was able to operate so well and hold the team together into the finals with a skillset that fit shows that mid season trades can be viable for that year’s championship.
by David Polega on Nov 3, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Because Stan was trying to use Jameer... who was clearly still injured.
And yes, if we find ourselves having to make a trade to keep from starting Anthony Johnson, or the equivalent thereof, go ahead. But I don’t believe in mid-season trades that require a restructuring of the offense… ideally, you want to teach the offense in the preseason and stick with it.
You mess with the 4-out/1-in, you get the Horns.
4/1 isn’t complicated. Offense in general isn’t, you only have 24 seconds and 1 basketball. Defense would be more of the concern as you don’t know which screens your switching on, which ones dwight is supposed to hedge on, and learning what part of the court your responsible for as each player moves.
Generally offense does good or bad based on the skillset of the players in it, not based on its complexity(which I think back screens is as complicated as it gets which is still pretty darn easy to figure out based on positioning.)
Melo or Paul moving in will not have trouble being effective in our offensive scheme, it would be natural. Thats why I say, if the right trade comes, pull the trigger- and you’d still have a very good chance to win a ring. Possibly even an improved chance.
The Magic have one of the biggest playbooks in the league. The offense is not something that one acquires easily. It takes time, which is why in-season trades are dicey.
With that said, if you have the opportunity to snag an elite player who can help your team long-term—as in, one who isn’t a rental—in-season, you should seriously consider it.
It’s not hard for me to envision the Magic trading for a superstar this season, struggling a bit, coming up short in the playoffs, but improving next year with more time for said superstar to adjust.
I know Mickael Pietrus has said the Magic’s playbook is huge. Several hundred pages. I couldn’t find the source for that quote, though. But I did find this post by Sam Gardner about how the Magic expanded it this summer.
So huge skip to my lou could pick it up and make it look natural.
For offensive players picking up the play book is an easier study because alot of the movement in a play is either natural or clearly set up by another player. If Rashard Lewis walks up to you and you got the ball, the obvious indication is that he’s setting a screen. For some players its more natural than others but super stars should adjust pretty quickly.
would you argue that Chris Paul would look lost in our offense?
In the nba you see the same offenses over and over and if nothing else you can learn them osmosis on some level. Superstars not only know the set their playing against, but in alot of cases what the options for each of those sets their defending is.
Nobody is arguning that
Again it seems everyone here would offer their brother’s left nut to get Chris Paul. But you also have to keep in mind that Chris Paul is a special player. Either the best at his position or top three at worst.
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