Orlando Magic Preseason Stats
With the cancellation of their game against the Miami Heat last night, the Orlando Magic have officially finished their preseason schedule. As we did at the preseason's halfway mark, here's a look at some per-game, per-minute, and advanced stats for each player on the team. We'll go into greater depth, which includes attending to the effectiveness of various lineups and some Synergy Sports Technology data, a bit later in the week. First, the traditional, per-game stats for everyone on the team, including the departed Stanley Robinson. As with the first go-round, team leaders are shaded.
| Per-Game Stats | ||||||||||||||||||
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| Player | Min | Pts | Reb | Ast | Stl | Blk | TO | |||||||||||
| Malik Allen | 9.7 | 3.0 | 0.5 | 0 | 0.2 | 0.3 | 0.3 | |||||||||||
| Ryan Anderson | 20.7 | 11.5 | 5.8 | 0.7 | 1.3 | 0.8 | 0.8 | |||||||||||
| Brandon Bass | 22.3 | 11.8 | 6.7 | 1.2 | 0.2 | 1.8 | 1.8 | |||||||||||
| Vince Carter | 24.2 | 17.2 | 2.8 | 2.2 | 0.8 | 0.2 | 1.5 | |||||||||||
| Chris Duhon | 23.7 | 3.9 | 1.7 | 5.6 | 0.7 | 0 | 2.7 | |||||||||||
| Marcin Gortat | 24.2 | 8.2 | 6.3 | 1.0 | 0.8 | 1.7 | 1.7 | |||||||||||
| Dwight Howard | 26.3 | 15.0 | 11.7 | 1.0 | 0.7 | 2.8 | 3.3 | |||||||||||
| Rashard Lewis | 24.5 | 12.0 | 2.7 | 1.0 | 1.0 | 0.3 | 0.8 | |||||||||||
| Jameer Nelson | 23.9 | 7.9 | 2.4 | 5.9 | 0.6 | 0 | 1.1 | |||||||||||
| Mickael Pietrus | 23.8 | 7.3 | 3.0 | 0.8 | 0.5 | 1.3 | 0.8 | |||||||||||
| J.J. Redick | 27.5 | 12.8 | 3.3 | 2.8 | 0.5 | 0 | 2.2 | |||||||||||
| Quentin Richardson | 22.3 | 8.2 | 4.7 | 2.3 | 0.2 | 0.3 | 1.0 | |||||||||||
| Stanley Robinson | 8.2 | 2.0 | 2.4 | 0.4 | 0.2 | 0.0 | 0.2 | |||||||||||
| MAGIC | 102.7 | 45.1 | 22.6 | 6.6 | 6.6 | 16.4 | ||||||||||||
| OPPONENTS | 77.7 | 36.0 | 15.6 | 7.0 | 5.1 | 16.3 | ||||||||||||
The identities of the leaders from the midway mark didn't change here, but their numbers did. Vince Carter's play never really came back down from the stratosphere, although I do think his pedestrian rebounding and passing stats might be cause for concern.
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| Player | Pts | Rebs | Ast | Stl | Blks | TO | ||||||||||||
| Malik Allen | 11.2 | 1.9 | 0 | 0.6 | 1.2 | 1.2 | ||||||||||||
| Ryan Anderson | 20.0 | 10.2 | 1.2 | 2.3 | 0.6 | 1.5 | ||||||||||||
| Brandon Bass | 19.1 | 10.7 | 1.9 | 0.3 | 1.3 | 3.0 | ||||||||||||
| Vince Carter | 25.6 | 4.2 | 3.2 | 1.2 | 0.2 | 2.2 | ||||||||||||
| Chris Duhon | 5.9 | 2.6 | 8.5 | 1.1 | 0 | 4.1 | ||||||||||||
| Marcin Gortat | 12.2 | 9.4 | 1.5 | 1.2 | 2.5 | 2.5 | ||||||||||||
| Dwight Howard | 20.5 | 15.9 | 1.4 | 0.9 | 3.9 | 4.6 | ||||||||||||
| Rashard Lewis | 17.6 | 3.9 | 1.5 | 1.5 | 0.5 | 1.2 | ||||||||||||
| Jameer Nelson | 11.9 | 3.7 | 8.8 | 0.9 | 0 | 1.7 | ||||||||||||
| Mickael Pietrus | 11.0 | 4.5 | 1.1 | 0.8 | 1.9 | 1.1 | ||||||||||||
| J.J. Redick | 16.8 | 4.4 | 3.7 | 0.7 | 0 | 2.8 | ||||||||||||
| Quentin Richardson | 13.2 | 7.5 | 3.8 | 0.3 | 0.5 | 1.6 | ||||||||||||
| Stanley Robinson | 8.8 | 10.5 | 1.8 | 0.9 | 0 | 0.9 | ||||||||||||
Points to note here? Brandon Bass overtaking Ryan Anderson for second on the team in per-minute rebounding, and that Marcin Gortat ranks just fourth, really stand out. If I had told you coming into camp that two reserve Magic bigs would post double-double averages per 36 minutes, there's a 100 percent chance you would have named Gortat as one of them, right? 6-foot-10 forwards Malik Allen and Rashard Lewis are averaging a rebound once every 18 and 9 minutes, respectively, which makes them liabilities in certain lineups. Jameer Nelson has become an assist machine, while the adjustment period for newcomer Chris Duhon, Nelson's backup, is readily apparent in his alarming turnover numbers.
As a team, the turnovers are alarming. J.J. Redick, usually mistake-free, averaged almost one every 12 minutes. Coach Stan Van Gundy talked all preseason about his concern with his team's inability to pass and catch the ball, and that concern is quite clearly grounded in reality. Those numbers won't get it done when the games start to count.
Richardson's strong all-around line is encouraging. He won't average 36 minutes here, but I do think he's shown he can contribute meaningfully beyond his three-point shooting. Which brings us to, fittingly enough, the shooting stats:
| Shooting Stats | ||||||||||||||||||
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| Player | FG% | 3FG% | FT% | eFG% | TS% | |||||||||||||
| Malik Allen | 46.2 | - | 75 | 46.2 | 54.5 | |||||||||||||
| Ryan Anderson | 43.5 | 42.3 | 90.0 | 55.4 | 63.0 | |||||||||||||
| Brandon Bass | 56.6 | - | 78.6 | 56.6 | 60.0 | |||||||||||||
| Vince Carter | 60.7 | 59.3 | 86.7 | 63.2 | 66.1 | |||||||||||||
| Chris Duhon | 33.3 | 20.0 | 44.4 | 38.3 | 39.8 | |||||||||||||
| Marcin Gortat | 72.4 | - | 77.8 | 72.4 | 74.3 | |||||||||||||
| Dwight Howard | 63.0 | - | 50 | 63.0 | 61.3 | |||||||||||||
| Rashard Lewis | 53.8 | 47.4 | 70.0 | 62.5 | 63.8 | |||||||||||||
| Jameer Nelson | 44.0 | 30.0 | 71.4 | 50.0 | 51.8 | |||||||||||||
| Mickael Pietrus | 28.6 | 24.0 | 75.0 | 37.1 | 39.4 | |||||||||||||
| J.J. Redick | 46.8 | 42.3 | 84.6 | 58.5 | 65.9 | |||||||||||||
| Quentin Richardson | 36.6 | 37.5 | 83.3 | 47.6 | 52.9 | |||||||||||||
| Stanley Robinson | 44.4 | - | 50.0 | 44.4 | 46.5 | |||||||||||||
| MAGIC | 49.8 | 39.0 | 71.4 | 56.6 | 59.9 | |||||||||||||
| OPPONENTS | 35.0 | 28.4 | 77.9 | 37.9 | 44.5 | |||||||||||||
Anderson and J.J. Redick managed to find their strokes over their final three games, but Mickael Pietrus and Duhon are still missing theirs. Duhon can run exceptionally cold for months on end--in 461 minutes last November, he shot a sub-freezing 28.3 percent from the field--so that much isn't surprising. But Pietrus needs to regain his touch, which won't be easy, given the sore thumb on his shooting hand. It wouldn't surprise me if Van Gundy kept Pietrus' minutes down in the season's early going in order to play Quentin Richardson and Lewis more at small forward.
Meanwhile, seven of the Magic's 12 guys posted True Shooting marks over 60, helping Orlando nearly reach that threshold as a team.
Which of the stats presented above, in any of the tables, makes you the most optimistic? Which ones concern you? Let's hear it.
And again, I'll delve more deeply into the Magic's preseason performance in the days ahead.
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Obviously Vince Carter’s excessive production is encouraging. Obviously he’ll tail off towards the regular season but startign at 60% from field and 3 means he can tail off a lot and still kick the entire world’s ass, Rashard shooting 50 and 40 is also nice.
My favourite statistic is the rebounding. I asked John Denton about the rebounding loss of Matt Barnes (who I considered to be the only rebounder on the team other than Dwight and Marcin to be an above average rebounder for their position), and QRich, BB and Anderson seem to be kicking ass, and Redick’s number (+1 from last season) isn’t bad for him either.
Also Dwight’s 20 14 and 4, would be a nice season average as well :)
I agree Carter is really shooting lights out
PLEASE PLEASE CONTINUE, if our players continue to play with this type of effort and energy, the real thing i love about vince this year is he isnt taking 20-25 shots a game, he is takingg 10-12, i am sure that will go up with his playing time but if he is this efficient than i wouldnt mind him getting more touvhes. I truly believe that having these guys togheter another year was the best, Shard is getting more touches, and you can tekk they just know where everyone likes to be on the court,Last year i never saw Carter drive and dish to Dwight around a defender the way he did against dallas.-thats chemistry!
The teams' numbers make most of the fans very happy right now.
I’m a little disapointed by Gortat’s numbers but it’s not a big concern at this point IMO. I’m still kinda glad that J-Will wasn’t around to take minutes of Duhon. I like the way he reacts with the team but if he can’t get his shot going, he has zero excuse not to hit his free-throws (you can’t be a PG and shoot worse than Dwight!!!). I’m very pleased with Jameer’s assists, I really think it will be very important factor in the future. In the meantime, I’m not really concerned about VC’s lack in that category. He’s very much in the flow of the offense and doesn’t seem to stop the ball movement in the way he did early last season. I don’t know if Rashard’s lack of rebounding has to do with him playing 3 and besides the team dominates the glass so… MP will need some time but he still can contribute in the defense.
The team is obviously in a good rythm and it will be very imortant to get that head start coussin, like last year, early in the season while the other teams still trying to find themselves. I’m also very impressed by the team’s D. The day they’ll cut the TOs we’ll might have to change their name. Looking forward for the rest of the analysis.
Don't mind my spelling. I'm a Typo Master.
JJ's turnovers...what?
Shouldn’t that stat be read as nearly one every 12 minutes?
by hadjimurad on Oct 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
every 12 was also my calculation
it’s be nice to have confirmation as to whether it is the table or the paragraph that is incorrect — Ben … Ben ??? … Oh, Beeennnnn !
JK. Gotta commend Ben for posting even before I was even in the shower.
by spacecabooie on Oct 23, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
very sly -
it was in fact the figure in the pargraph
by spacecabooie on Oct 23, 2010 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions
You are correct...hopefully BQR will update this post.
Preseason Average: 27.5 min / 2.2 TOs = 1 TO every 12 min 30 sec. (basically once a quarter)
by The BBQ Chicken Madness on Oct 23, 2010 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Turnovers is what is the big story here. It’s hard to be down on a team that just cruised to 25 point wins, but the shot will stop falling and the Magic need to play tighter.
Too bad Dwight’s most likely never going to get that free throw mark up.
We still look really good and still need to prepare for the size we will see against Boston after they knock the Heat out the playoffs.
I really really like that Vince isn’t dominating the ball on the court. He plays so well in that role and was primarily what made him so good the second half of last season. When he turns into Vinsanity he looks more like Allen Iverson.
Brandon Bass’s #‘s look better than all but 2 players’. People make alot of Dwight and Bass’ turn over rates but when your team gets you the ball late shot clock to try to get a score from a late iso- You should expect turn overs. Additionally the amount of time those 2 get their number called in the post gives a greater breadth of time for the possibilty to create a turn over. This explains why Malik Allen and Rashard Lewis have 1.2 turn over rates, are they really taking care of the ball better?- Probably not, the ball is simply not in their hands enough to give them opportunity to turn it over. Typically the only time higher usage rates don’t translate to higher turnovers to get a superstar. Think Olujawon type playing.
I'm not as impressed with Bass' offense (though 19 points per 36 is nice) for reasons I'll cover in a later post.
And you don’t have to expect high turnovers from high-usage guys. Dirk, LeBron, Durant, Wade, Joe Johnson, Billups… they manage to carry offenses and generate shots without coughing the ball up too much.
Yeh and they are perrenial all stars with the exception Billups(Who is sometimes All star.) I’m not pretending Bass it that all star center piece caliber, which is why the turn overs are there. Even carter has pretty similar turn overs. I’m saying he’s very very good, and easily our third or fourth best player.
Here’s hoping for the “David” Line up all season!:
Nelson
Carter
Lewis
Bass
Howard
by David Polega on Oct 23, 2010 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Again, we're just going to have to accept our opinions differ here.
Bass is very easily the third or fourth best player coming off the bench, behind Gortat, Anderson, and Redick (in some order). He can score, but his turnovers are an issue, and I’m not convinced his rebounding will hold up. The effort is there, on both ends, and he’s not as lost as he was last year.
He’s best suited as a possession-eating monster coming off some team’s bench.
1. Dwight Howard
2. Vince Carter
3. Jameer Nelson
4. Rashard Lewis
5. Brandon Bass
Thats the lowest I could put Bass when ranking the orlando players.
by David Polega on Oct 25, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
No harm in airing out the opinion. If I’m wrong I don’t mind it stated so I can be held accountable for it later. But I’d like it stated in case I’m proved right later too .
by David Polega on Oct 25, 2010 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
A well-written analysis, as always
but I can’t really get excited about preseason stats. And I don’t really think anyone else should get too amped about them either. They’re nice, and I am glad the team is sending all the right messages. I think the reported general mindset of the team is the most encouraging factor at this point (although ‘reported’ is the key word in that sentence.) I am a little worried about an expectation gap (to borrow a political phrase) between the fans and the team this season.
BTW, did anyone else notice that every ESPN expert (besides JJ Adand) picked the Heat to finish first in the East? I am really surprised that this is the safe pick, given that most great teams take at least a year to come together.
Nothing too dissapppointing here, rather the gaudy per 36 numbers vc are probably the most impressive considering how hard of a time he had adjusting to the magic style of play during that january stretch. He looked comfortable out there during the preseason which is really encouraging.
"Remember this sh*t at christmas!"-Terry Crews, The Expendables
Commenting that preseason cannot be taken too seriously is old news, folks
The new literature supported by numbers indicate that there is some co-relation between preseason and regular season success. It is true that everybody plays a notch below the regular season, and quite a bit of experimentation is going on, but applying that condition to all teams creates a meaningful level of comparability. As for the Magic, since they blew all competition out of water, there are reasons to be hopeful for a carry over into the regular season.
To an extent, yeah.
The Magic’s numbers were probably inflated by the fact that they weren’t really giving a lot of players tryouts — they had pretty much their whole roster set. And most of the guys already knew the offensive and defensive sets. But still, that doesn’t explain everything.
Unless, of course, it takes playing time away from Ryan Anderson.
Well, personally it is the newness of the literature
that makes me a little dubious. 6 seasons of data just seems like a relatively small sample size to me, from a longitudinal perspective. I also would like to know what is meant by the term used in the nba.com article on the subject, “relatively strong correlation?” Is that +0.5? +0.7? +0.9? Maybe Ben has access to numbers that weren’t provided in the article. Or if anyone has any other links on the topic, well, that would be fun to read.
Either way, it’s a fascinating hypothesis, and if it really turns out to be true, then gravy! I was just expressing concern that many fair-weather fans might read too much into the preseason and then be dissapointed when some degree of expected statistical regression takes place.
... a bit later in the week.
As we did at the preseason’s halfway mark, here’s a look at some per-game, per-minute, and advanced stats for each player on the team. We’ll go into greater depth, which includes attending to the effectiveness of various lineups and some Synergy Sports Technology data, …
I hope so. Somehow, even from as far back as mid-summer, it seems we are behind on deferred posts …
I don’t want to sound gluttonness but there were some pretty significant analyses … which I certainly have no time to conduct (though the prospect surely piqued my interest), but neither did I proffer any for greater consumption … placed on the burner that seemed to have never come to a boil.
Just a reminder I guess (pardon me if I have just missed the posts).
My mistake - my apology
Not keeping score nor taking your efforts for granted but your effective use of suspense keeps me always on the lookout.
I think it was the eFG% → TS% miniseries that, for me, induced the most suspense and though the suspense was eventally quite satisfyingly resolved, I must have forgotten that the TS% discussion was in fact the resolution to a suspensfull promise.
A search for ’later" does, however, seem to reveal a couple unresolved:
Haiku for Barnes after signing with L.A."
“I’ll make a separate post highlighting the very best haiku selections later this weekend.”
And, after ECF elimination, a future discussion on the tough off-season to come
Orlando faces a tough offseason with a lot of questions to answer, but we’ll address those issues later. For now, Game 6.
Argueably this has been discussed though perhaps not apparent as a follow-up to that post.
I must be anxious not only for the regular season but to read your rapturous recaps …
Anyway please keep on Blogging the Orlando Magic with Energy and Enthusiasm
GO MAGIC !
by spacecabooie on Oct 24, 2010 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions
The Barnes thing? Didn't do it because the response was so tepid.
And I believe I spent a significant amount of May, June, and July discussing the future of the team, although again, it probably wasn’t explicitly stated as a follow-up.
by Evan Dunlap on Oct 24, 2010 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions
WTF??
"Teams are making adjustments to us, it’s not the other way around," Smith said. "Right after (the Heat) signed LeBron and Bosh, they went out and signed eight centers. So I’m not overly concerned."
I'll tell ya about the Magic It'll free your soul but it's like trying to tell a stranger 'bout rock n roll
by NC Magic Fan on Oct 24, 2010 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Perhaps, we should, in a reasonably discovered conclusion of sorts, congregate to discuss the potential misinterpretations of your invaluable concerns. Though, I am considering the possibility, of digressing back to a normal mode of conversation for sake of diversified sanity.
In best regards to your future endeavorers,
Sir Mike
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