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Orlando Magic 105, Chicago Bulls 67

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For the second time in three games, the Orlando Magic never trailed against their opponent, blowing out the Chicago Bulls by a 105-67 margin. Without regular small forwards Quentin Richardson and Mickael Pietrus, the Magic rotated between Rashard Lewis and Vince Carter at the position for most of the game. Carter continued his brilliant preseason by scoring a game-high 21 points in 26 minutes, shooting 6-of-9 from the floor and earning 6 free-throw attempts. Five other Magic players joined him in double-figure scoring. But the real story tonight for Orlando is defense: it limited Chicago to 31.1 percent shooting, and only the Bulls' scoring on seven of their last eight possessions made the final tally look even this respectable. Ryan Anderson also had the night off, leaving Brandon Bass and Marcin Gortat as the team's only power forwards before coach Stan Van Gundy emptied his bench by playing Malik Allen for the game's final 9 minutes. It was a night of experimentation, of sorts, for Orlando. And one has to be impressed with the results.

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TeamPaceEfficiencyeFG%FT RateOReb%TO Rate
Bulls8777.032.4%25.720.414.9
Magic87120.766.7%18.818.221.8
Green denotes a stat better than the team's 2009/10 average;
red denotes a stat worse than the team's 2009/10 average.

Carter got the Magic off to a great start by scoring 7 of their first 9 points, and in a variety of ways. He drew a shooting foul with an aggressive drive on the team's first possession, followed that up with a spot-up three created when Keith Bogans left him to rotate to Rashard Lewis in the corner, and then hit a pull-up jumper off the dribble when the defense sagged into the paint to cover Brandon Bass on the pick-and-roll. "I just tried to make the initiative to come out and make my mark on the game," Carter said afterward, "and make it easier for all the other guys [if] I can." Carter scored all 21 of his points in the first half, on 6-of-8 shooting, including a driving layup in traffic at the buzzer which should have been an and-one situation. As a team, the Bulls shot 10-of-39 for 23 points. "When he's playing like that," J.J. Redick, Carter's backup, said, "we're very dangerous." Redick wasn't too bad himself, scoring 16 points on 7-of-8 shooting.

But the Magic clearly don't expect to keep winning by these wide margins once the games start to count. "The biggest thing is we don't want to tease everybody into thinking every game's going to be like this," Magic center Dwight Howard said. Indeed, the competition will stiffen after the exhibition schedule concludes. Note tonight, for instance, that Chicago franchise point guard Derrick Rose played only 12 minutes. Joakim Noah only played 18. Frankly, the Magic ought to have won by 48 points tonight, given the vast talent disparity between the two teams. The Bulls played immobile big men Kurt Thomas and Brian Scalabrine a combined 61 minutes tonight. And while those two are useful in their own unique ways--Thomas for his effective low-post defense and charge-taking, Scalabrine for his solid understanding of the game--neither should play more than 8 minutes per game unless it's an absolute emergency; one can argue that Scalabrine should no longer draw an NBA paycheck. Thus, it should be no surprise that the Magic dominated the glass, 43-28. Or that the Bulls took 52 of their 74 field goals outside the paint area.

Van Gundy couldn't fault the Magic's effort tonight--and how could he?--saying, "I think we're playing really hard defensively." Howard, agrees. "For the most part, our defensive intensity has been there from everybody. We're closing out hard, we're talking, we're doing all the right things," he said, after recording his customary 15-point, 11-rebound, 3-block preseason line.

The Magic conducted two lineup experiments tonight: playing Carter and Lewis at small forward is one. Playing without a stretch power forward is another, as Ryan Anderson had a routine night off. As a result of the latter fact, the Magic only shot 12 three-pointers, and just 2 after intermission.

"I thought [Carter and Lewis] were fine [at small forward]," Van Gundy said, though he did mention "Rashard didn't have a real good shooting night." That much is true, as Lewis missed 10 of his 15 shots, and all three of his three-pointers. The Magic looked to post him up more, with mixed results. One benefit of posting him up that I hadn't noticed prior to tonight is it puts him in great position to come to the elbow area to set a down-screen if he kicks the ball back out.

With 14 points and 10 rebounds, Bass recorded his second straight double-double after not notching any last season. He shot 7-of-9 from the floor, grabbed 9 of his rebounds at the defensive end, and even dished two assists. Though it's unclear if he's part of the Magic's long-term plans, he's showing he's a solid rotation player in this league. He showed his versatility tonight, mixing it up inside as well as stepping out to shoot from mid-range. "[Bass'] mid-range shot is great," Howard said, "[because] when teams want to double-team [me] with another big man, we got someone like Brandon who can step out and shoot that shot. We got a lot of great weapons and we got to use them all."

Gortat tallied 14 points, 8 rebounds, and 3 blocks tonight, moving between playing power forward and center. "I think I did pretty well [at power forward]" Gortat said. "The most important thing is the team won." I didn't notice any major issues when Gortat tried playing with Howard, apart from one poor post-entry pass he tried to make from the elbow area that led Howard right into the Bulls' help-defender. "There are still a lot of things I can learn from [Howard]," he continued. "I'm just trying to play opposite of what he does."

Despite all the good things they've got going--a suffocating defense; a confident group of stars, including Carter; a 19-game preseason winning streak--there are still issues that concern the team. Turnovers are foremost among them. "We're just not passing the ball well, and handling the ball well, and the turnovers are going to have to come down," Van Gundy said. Indeed, the Magic committed 19 turnovers tonight, including 10 from the reserve backcourt of Chris Duhon and Redick.

We'll get a chance to see if Orlando can improve in those areas the day after tomorrow when they visit the Atlanta Hawks.

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Awesome Starting 5

This starting 5 is the one I’ve been dreaming of since they got bass. It looked awesome tonight, and bass is starting to flex his muscle.

The issue of Rashard Lewis guarding a three was tested tonight by luol deng, and while he did struggle slightly in fouls, the honest truth is it seems bass/howard make up for it in defensive rebounds and inside presence. If bass can start using that speed of his to take charges their defense will be far and away the best in the league and if bass continually scores wit this type of efficiency(not realistic) they’d be the best offensive team by a wide margin as well.

I’d like to see more of bass gaurding the three spot, he seems fast enough to do it and it just might be the answer that completes this line ups synergy, have bass play the 4 on O and guard the 3 on D. Its a suspicion he’d do it well but I can’t speak on it till we see him gaurding LBJ but his body seems to be the best match for James. Rotate Pietrus and Bass onto lbj and it starts to sound like something that could really wear the king down. There’s still bosh/wade to worry about but believe the team defense can handle those 2 as the rest of the floor is trash and easily covered without help. Howard will be able to help off the 5 spot, and jameer will be able to gamble at the 1.

Anyway~ point is I love this line-up and I hope they use it till bass gives them a reason not to.

by David Polega on Oct 16, 2010 11:43 PM EDT reply actions  

The dude is faster than Rashard.

And if people are expecting rashard to guard 3’s, why not bass? Additionally I think a fast banger is exactly the recipe needed to guard lebron. I’m not saying bass is that guy, there is no data of him guarding 3’s. But he’s fast, muscular, agile, and explosive than the other “3 defenders”- and more so in all of those categories except maybe speed to pietrus. If brandon bass with his speed and strength can take charges— Well I’ll leave it at I really wanna see him guarding the 3 spot and would be optimistic about it. Remember on offense he moves back to 4 and lewis moves to the 3 spot in the offense as he seems to be successful guarding 4’s.

Not certain, just optimistic. Call it a pipe dream I hope happens by some unusual circumstance so I can be proven right without the risk having to rely on it if it was bad.

by David Polega on Oct 17, 2010 3:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

He certainly looks a lot faster when it breaks, though I can’t honestly say this is defining.

Fast banger- A ron artest type of defender- speedy but not so slight lebron can do his half post-half drive moves and just move them out of the way. Any 1 on 1 defender for lebron is going to have to be both very stout and very fast. The last time magic hit lebron in the playoffs, they pretty much used pietrus in that roll but he was getting knocked around- though he played admirably. If Lebron didn’t have offensive skills, he would be a perfect archetype for a fast banger to defend him. I don’t know that there is more than 1 or 2 guys like that in the league, but Brandon Bass to me shows promise in filling that role as a very tough, very fast meat wall to go through.

It won’t be like last time when we could offer help defenders from basically anywhere to contain james, someone is going to need to be able to contain and wear lebron down in solo coverage. Our best bet is pietrus/bass rotating in and out to defend lebron every second he’s on the floor and as soon as either of them shows any sign of fatigue pull ‘em. Maybe use Q a little bit in the late game for D but I’d keep him on the bench whenever Lebron was in if possible. Doubling james with that Miami roster any more than the very minimum will make it a very tough series to win.

by David Polega on Oct 17, 2010 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Based on combine numbers, Howard is faster and more agile than Bass. Bass is quick and agile for his size, but he’s still a heavyweight. BQR probably has more accurate numbers than I do, but Bass is about 6’6.25", 250, Lewis is 6’8.5", 230, and Howard is 6’9", 265 (all heights w/o shoes). Bass has good lateral quickness for his size, but doesn’t have the wingspan that Lewis or Howard have, which mitigates his speed.

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by The Dark on Oct 18, 2010 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was at the game and there was one play where Bass drove the Ball hard and two hand dunked it over two people

Howard started screaming, he loves having some help in there, someone that will help him out when the other bigs are crowding him, i love it and i could tell you all that Howard loves it, it showed tonight

by Vanek on Oct 17, 2010 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'll take part blame with the turnovers

I mentioned at one point the Magic had made any since I listed their 11 first half TOs and they promptly made 7 more. I stat-cursed them *hangs head in shame *

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by TheGiantSquid on Oct 16, 2010 11:58 PM EDT reply actions  

The ball stops with Bass...

I like Bass. He’s a beast. But the simple fact is the ball STOPS when it gets to him. I was at the game tonight and I told my buddy (a Bass fan) to count how many times he passes once he gets the ball. He counted one pass. There may have been another that he didn’t see.
He can knock that mid-range jumper down all day. Even though it looks like Anthony Mason shooting a free throw. But I’m afraid that Bass is not the sharpest fella and will not fully grasp this offense or defense. I kind of believe the rumor that I’ve heard about him getting some extra playing time to showcase his skills and boost his trade value.
Anderson is our man at the PF spot. Either coming off the bench or starting in the case that Rashard actually does move to the 3. I would like to keep Rashard at the 3 because he might finally have to play hard and since he’s afraid of rebounds I think it’s best to keep him away from the PF spot.
As far as the result of the game: We are so deep and talented at all spots it’s kind of ridiculous. It’s going to be a great season.

by Matty B on Oct 17, 2010 12:29 AM EDT reply actions  

he might be a ball stopper

but look at the results when hes on the court..our defense is playing even more ridiculous (held chicago to 20 something points at halftime), and he is hitting those mid range jumpers at will. Plus he is helping Dwight on the glass which is a big help

by jiggadpg00 on Oct 17, 2010 1:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

To tell the truth,

The Bulls weren’t playing Boozer (Broken Hand Injury), so technically- Brandon Bass’s Defense is hard to gauge.

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Ain't I so so supafly boy ain't nobody hot as me.

by 4QB on Oct 17, 2010 1:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

A ball stopper that goes 7-9 with a double/double is an all star. Its only 1 game, and honestly the bulls get eaten up by most big men without booze(Maybe with, who knows.) I just think its odd to criticize him for being a ball stopper when he was so efficient with only 2 turnovers and 2 assists.

by David Polega on Oct 17, 2010 3:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

I did go grab some snacks in the 3rd so I may have missed a couple...

I really do like Bass and it’s a good problem to have such a traffic jam at our PF slot. I just think Anderson, with his outside shot and much improved rebounding will end up being our guy. It’s also very obvious that Bass wont be happy with limited playing time. He’s made that clear. As a result I’m guessing that there will be a trade at some point. Anyone agree? If he was willing to sit when needed I say keep him around and use him when the match up dictates that he would be the best option. Unfortunately I don’t think he’s willing to “do what’s best for the team” in that sense and wait for the right match ups. He want steady court time.

by Matty B on Oct 17, 2010 1:34 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

From John Denton on Vince

Who says veteran NBA players can’t make a few changes? Carter worked so hard on getting himself in tip-top shape this summer that his legs got stronger and not weaker even though he’s about to enter his 13th NBA season. The usual theory is that the legs are the first thing to go on a veteran basketball player, but Carter did so much track work, squats and lunges that his vertical leap increased two inches to 31 inches. Not quite to where it was in 2000 when he won the NBA’s Slam Dunk competition in breathtaking fashion, but Carter can feel a distinct difference in his leg strength now.

``That’s what they say,’’ Carter said of the improvement in his vertical leap. ``I’ve never been a big fan of those tests, but everybody expects me to do it and I’m like yada, yad, yada and get it over with. But I feel stronger and I’ve really tried to take care of my body. I feel like all the work I put in are really going to help me this season.’’

by Raptorel on Oct 17, 2010 2:10 AM EDT reply actions  

I sure hope Denton meant 41 inches...

If Carter INCREASED his vert to 31, we have issues.

by TragicMatt on Oct 17, 2010 6:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

He has a 31 inch standing jump. That's a decent VJ.

What he gains when he’s using running momentum is another thing (it’s mostly genetic by the way, with some trainable parts like reactive strength).

For example, when he was drafted he had a 36 inch VJ, with a max VJ (running VJ) of 43. Got higher ~2000 when he was working with a friend from NFL, to about 45 running.

If you think about it, with Vince having a reported 8’10 reach, even with a 31 inch VJ he still can touch the top of the square from a standing jump. He probably has a ~39 max off the run right now (I measured one dunk in the “Orlando Magic Dunk-in” warm-up at 38).

by Raptorel on Oct 17, 2010 7:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

For camparison on standing no step verticle:

John Wall 30"
Evan Turner 27.5"
Dwight Howard 30.5"
Brandon Bass 31.5"
Dwane Wade 31.5"

"Teams are making adjustments to us, it’s not the other way around," Smith said. "Right after (the Heat) signed LeBron and Bosh, they went out and signed eight centers. So I’m not overly concerned."

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by NC Magic Fan on Oct 17, 2010 8:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well a lot of natural athletes are bad in terms of standing vert

Strong guys have good standing verts, because a standing vertical is a matter of strength. A good running vertical is a matter of structure (long legs, thin ankles, great stiffness (good tendon stiffness) etc).

If you take an Olympic weightlifter he’s going to have a great standing vert but a bad running vert since his structure is made for weight lifting and not for jumping.

by Raptorel on Oct 17, 2010 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Excellent

This pleases me.

Scarlett Van Carter. I might name my daughter this.

by ben_gleicher on Oct 17, 2010 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

So many good things happening for the team right now.

They granded my wish to shoot less threes, SVG mixes up stuff a lot, great D, VC killin’, etc. and still the best thing, as mentioned in Ben’s epilogue, is that there is room for improvement. Last pre-season Magic had easy wins too but this time feels different. I really enjoy what the team has been doing and looknig forward to tougher match-ups.

Don't mind my spelling. I'm a Typo Master.

by 44792212 on Oct 17, 2010 6:01 AM EDT reply actions  

the fact that given the soft D, they went inside (both Lewis, VC, even Jameer could have shot more threes)

is enough for me. I DON’T want the team to shoot less threes in general (I never questioned the 4-1 thing), just do also other things when they get the chance. I just thought they could try more penetrating with good ball mouvement vs that tougher Charlotte inside D the other day cause of the challenge. 3.3 might also have a point when he says that maybe guys aren’t good at driving after all, just would like to see them try that a little more in pre-season just like they post-up more. They had 44 points in the paint yesterday, 42 vs NOH, 18 vs Bobcats, 24 vs Pacers. Give more things to the opponent to worry about seems to be the leitmotiv nowadays.

Don't mind my spelling. I'm a Typo Master.

by 44792212 on Oct 17, 2010 7:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

I know he is raw, but Stanley Robinson is really painful to watch

I think Jeremy Richardson might have had a more fluid game when he was with the team a few years back. The common comparison for Robinson is Gerald Wallace, but I wonder if Wallace was this raw when he was a rookie. If so, I’m all for keeping Robinson around to see if he develops; otherwise, I think he is going to get cut.

Even though the Hippopotamus lacks a stinger for a tail, a truly wise man would rather be sat on by a bee. ~ Banacek

by funny80sguy on Oct 17, 2010 9:09 AM EDT reply actions  

Dwight's jumper

did dwight take any jumpshots today? if he did did they go in?

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by magicfan07 on Oct 17, 2010 10:30 AM EDT reply actions  

he took quite a few

but I think he only made one

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by TheGiantSquid on Oct 17, 2010 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

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