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Numbers Suggest Matt Barnes is a Poor Fit Alongside the Orlando Magic's Four All-Stars

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When Orlando Magic coach Stan Van Gundy moved Mickael Pietrus out of his starting lineup in favor of Matt Barnes last week, he did it with the best of intentions. His team had come out flat of late, trailing at halftime in 7 of its last 9 games. Van Gundy thought Vince Carter, Dwight Howard, Rashard Lewis, and Jameer Nelson--the other four starters--would feed off Barnes' energy. Intuitively, it makes sense: Barnes makes more hustle plays than Pietrus does, and although he isn't as skilled a perimeter defender, he's a far superior rebounder and moves much better without the ball. Meanwhile, Pietrus could assume a bigger offensive role coming off the bench, reprising the role he held in the Magic's deep playoff run last year: in 24 games, all off the bench, Pietrus averaged 10.5 points on 62.2% True Shooting, while playing All-World defense on the likes of Paul Pierce, LeBron James, and Kobe Bryant.

What I'm getting at is that Van Gundy had the right idea when he made the move. The problem is that it hasn't worked. In the six games since Barnes re-assumed his starting role--he filled in as an injury replacement early in the year--the Magic are 2-4 and on a 4-game losing streak. There are myriad reasons and no one person is responsible, but this much is clear: the Barnes/Carter/Howard/Lewis/Nelson starting unit isn't cohesive or effective, and Van Gundy should table it. He'll be forced to tonight against Atlanta, with Carter likely out due to a sprained left shoulder, but even when Carter returns, it shouldn't be to the same starting lineup that Van Gundy has implemented in each of the last 6 games.

In those 6 games, Orlando has held a halftime lead twice and trailed 4 times, so the switch hasn't changed the Magic's course in that regard: they're still having to play from behind. And since the switch, that unit has played 84:07, or roughly 7 quarters' worth of basketball. Its raw +/- over that time is -15, meaning opponents have outscored it by 0.179 points per minute. Further, Orlando has come out ahead just 5 times in its 13 stints on the floor.

As for why that unit has struggled, well, I'm not quite sure. My theory is that putting the newcomers Carter and Barnes together with the mainstays Howard, Lewis, and Nelson disrupted the on-court chemistry. I stress "on-court" because nothing I've heard suggests that Carter or Barnes is a negative influence in the locker room. In any case, the mainstays have a long history of success together. Per NBA.com's +/- Stat ("Driven by AutoTrader.com"!), they've tallied a +527 rating in 2493:58 over their first two years. Adding Pietrus to that trio yielded a +89 rating in 320:34 of playing time spread over last year and this one, so the Howard/Lewis/Nelson triad is amenable to playing alongside him. But losing Pietrus to the second unit and integrating two new players seems to have had an adverse affect on Orlando's cornerstones.

The variable here is Carter. Can he co-exist in a five-man unit with Howard, Lewis, Nelson, and Pietrus, who all know each other's games? The signs point to "yes," as that lineup is a solid +24 in 65:08 of playing time this year, outscoring its opponents by 0.369 points per minute. Orlando didn't hold many halftime leads with this group, but it's proven to be 0.548 points per minute more effective than the alternative.

Again, Orlando has several problems to deal with as it contends with its longest losing streak in nearly 3 years, and reverting to the previous starting lineup may not solve anything. However, there's substantial evidence to suggest that this original lineup has a greater chance of succeeding than the one with Barnes in it. That's not meant to be an indictment of Barnes, by the way, because he's played well individually this year. And in his last 6 starts, he's averaged 12.7 points on 67.3% True Shooting to go with 6.3 rebounds. He's just not a great fit with Orlando's "Big Four" of Carter, Howard, Lewis, and Nelson. Pietrus is, which is why Barnes should re-join the second unit once Carter returns to health.

In addition to 82games.com and NBA.com, PopcornMachine.net and basketball-reference.com proved invaluable as resources for this post.

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I wish you were wrong

But the numbers dont lie, I really like Barnes and think he deserves this spot. I think our big problem is that we are to predictable, everyone knows our two things, go to howard, shoot the three, with Bass on the floor our dynamic changes, we need to give everyone different looks so that we arent so predictable. I really liked the post to trade for Jamison. We need a dynamic changer or we need to change up our game a little bit so we can catch the other teams off guard. Last night we did this for a few quarters, but reverted back to it latter in the game.

by Vanek on Jan 9, 2010 8:17 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Numbers don't "lie", but show more than one "truth"

The numbers also suggest that Williams-Carter-Barnes-Lewis-Howard is a better unit than Nelson-Carter-Barnes-Lewis-Howard.
Maybe Nelson is the poor fit?

Or that Nelson-Redick-Barnes-Anderson-Howard outscored their opponents every time they were on court together. And same unit with Williams have the second best numbers.
Maybe Carter and Lewis are poor fits?

by fregonassi on Jan 9, 2010 9:37 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Sometimes the opposition has to be taken into consideration.

Plus/minus numbers are still somewhat fickle beings and not a end-all statement to effectiveness, or lack thereof.

by slickw143 on Jan 9, 2010 10:43 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That's why adjusted plus/minus is better.

It reflects the impact of each player on his team’s bottom line (scoring margin), after controlling statistically for the strength of every teammate and every opponent during each minute he’s on the court.

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by erivera7 on Jan 9, 2010 11:12 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

So THAT'S what the "adjusted" means.

Always wondered exactly what they were adjusting to.

by slickw143 on Jan 9, 2010 12:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Adjusted plus/minus isn't perfect, either, but it does attempt to account for stuff.

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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat

by erivera7 on Jan 9, 2010 5:12 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Numbers don’t lie, what is VC shooting % of the last 5 games?

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by Wmillion on Jan 9, 2010 1:45 PM EST via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Nelson needs more time to adjust with the new lineups and getting into top form. A PG has a huge influence on the team. He’s getting there.

by derekk on Jan 9, 2010 8:25 PM EST via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

if jameer and lewis and carter dont play well

then we should blame them and not use matt barnes as a sacrificial lamb. we shouldnt look away from their mistakes coz they are all stars

in OTIS we TRUST...

by Hbkid on Jan 9, 2010 1:27 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

good pt

Not Barnes’s fault VC was shooting 18% from the field and then got hurt. You think we go on 4 game losing streak if VC is shooting 50% from the field? What was Jameer’s shooting % last night? Not sure how that is Barnes fault.

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by Wmillion on Jan 9, 2010 1:44 PM EST via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t think Matt Barnes is too blame for that unit’s poor performance. He has played extremely well by his usual standards. Streak shooter that he is, he’s on a hot streak at the minute. He’s a solid player when he’s shooting the ball like he is.

I do, however, think Barnes is a poor fit in the starting lineup in the long term. I think he’s too poor of a defender to be put alongside Vince Carter – I know a lot of folks like Barnes defense but I think he’s a liability. He’s there to be taken in any isolation situation, against movement off the screens off the ball, and is weak against dribble penetration.

That’s why I think the Magic need to try and acquire another above average defender out on the wing.

by NBR on Jan 9, 2010 2:00 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I can mostly agree but you can fix it by starting Barnes and then playing Pietrus slightly more by night’s end. The other solution is to pack JJ or Barnes for a better defender/player like you said.

by derekk on Jan 9, 2010 8:22 PM EST via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

I admit that maybe this analysis is too reductive

But hey, everyone seems to want Orlando to make a change, either via trade or new rotation. Barnes for Pietrus makes the most sense. None of the All-Stars are moving to the bench, as much as some people would like them to.

by Ben Q Rock on Jan 9, 2010 2:02 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

VC

Is moving to the bench, no need to make any changes. We will see a better team tonight if Jj can shoot efficiently tonight.

Looking toward to tonight’s game.

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by Wmillion on Jan 9, 2010 3:16 PM EST via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Very true.

It’s the only lineup adjustment that would realistically be made.

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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat

by erivera7 on Jan 9, 2010 5:12 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I also think it’s important that Pietrus remains in that sixth man role. I think the bench is weakened considerably without his presence.

The perimeter trio of Jason Williams, JJ Redick and Matt Barnes is relatively weak. The big men are excellent, amongst the best in the league and the deepest in the league, but a lot of their positive contributions get negated by that weak cast of characters on the perimeter. So, instead of having an elite bench the Magic are left with a good bench.

Allowing Pietrus to stay on the bench gives that group a legitimate sixth man and a natural first wing off the bench. It also allows Barnes or Redick to be the second wing off the bench which is the best role for their talents. So, the backup wings becomes a source of strength, as are the bigs, and Jason Williams becomes the team’s 9th or 10th man in the rotation. A very strong unit.

by NBR on Jan 9, 2010 2:04 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Got you thinking, Ben, huh?

"We'll figure it out. The sky's not falling." 'Has anybody ever won the championship in December?' ~Otis Smith

by magicfaninTN on Jan 9, 2010 5:32 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I think it’s more of a team slump than anything. Pietrus is still better overall and should get slightly more min.s in the end but Barnes does too many things well with the starters. His defense seems relatively passable now and his only flaw is when the Magic are pushed to the 4-5th option and must let him shoot a 3.

by derekk on Jan 9, 2010 8:16 PM EST via mobile reply actions   0 recs

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