Orlando Magic News for January 29th: Information on Trades, Thoughts From Scouts, and More
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NBA trade season: 10 teams most likely to make a deal
Chad Ford of ESPN Insider takes a look at the 10 teams in the NBA most likely to make a deal, a list which includes the Orlando Magic.The Magic were a preseason pick of many, including me, to make it to the Eastern Conference finals and perhaps beyond. Vince Carter was supposed to be an upgrade over Hedo Turkoglu. The addition of Brandon Bass and Ryan Anderson was supposed to give them depth inside. And a healthy Jameer Nelson was going to put them over the top.
It hasn't happened yet. The Magic have been shaky, playing roughly .500 ball for the past couple of months. Several GMs have told ESPN that the Magic have been aggressive in their efforts to shake up the roster and regain their swagger.
They have a number of assets. They could find takers for several of their reserve bigs, including Marcin Gortat and Bass. Rashard Lewis would also garner interest if he were available. And while they would be interested in moving Carter, sources around the league say that the market for VC is lukewarm at best. -
NBA: Checking in with NBA scouts
Marc Stein of ESPN.com speaks with five scouts, two from the Eastern Conference and three from the Western Conference, on a variety of topics. Here's what they said about the Magic's bipolar play:"Athletically they've improved. Defensively they've improved because [Matt] Barnes and [Mickael] Pietrus can really cover a lot of ground. Everyone talks about how much they've missed Hedo [Turkoglu] and I think that's true. They miss his ballhandling and playmaking. He did so much off the dribble and in pick-and-rolls and was such a willing passer. But they look a little bored sometimes. That's it as much as anything.
"It's a long season and they have so much talent on that roster. They just look stale to me at times. I've been to a few of their games lately and it really looked to me like Stan [Van Gundy] is making an effort to not be as vocal as he usually is. Maybe he's trying to be conscious of not wearing them out.A few months ago in a practice report I logged at Orlando Pinstriped Post, I was able to speak with a source associated with the team's plans and similar rhetoric was used to describe the Magic sometimes "being bored" in games.
More on Gilbert Arenas, by the way.
[...] Orlando continues to be mentioned more prominently than any other potential destination, thanks largely to Arenas' close relationship with Magic general manager Otis Smith. I was assured earlier this month that the Magic will give the matter legit consideration this summer, even if Arenas figures to be the party pushing hardest for it.
More after the jump.
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Is Dwight Howard making any progress?
Austin Burton of Dime Magazine notes Dwight Howard's progression on offense and wonders whether or not people are asking for too much from him, at times.On the other hand, maybe Dwight is being asked to do too much. Fans and analysts want superstars to be able to do everything, but if a guy is going to lead the League in rebounding and blocks every year for the next decade, are you really gonna be mad at him for not being an artist on the low-block? Not everybody has Jordan or Oscar DNA: Jason Kidd never got that jumper to be deadly; Steve Nash never learned to lock anybody down; Dennis Rodman never decided to play offense. So if Dwight can get me 14 boards and three blocks and some momentum-changing dunks and that’s all he’s capable of, that’s fine by me.
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MAGIC: 'Hammering' Down the Opposition
John Denton of OrlandoMagic.com reveals that head coach Stan Van Gundy might consider giving the lineup which sparked the Magic's comeback against the Boston Celtics in the fourth quarter - involving Rashard Lewis, Marcin Gortat, and Dwight Howard - additional playing time.``It is a lineup that we need to give more thought to at times, but it’s strictly situational,’’ Magic coach Stan Van Gundy said Friday following practice. ``I’ve never had my doubts that that can be a really good defensive lineup for us because we have great size and a better chance at protecting the basket. The question is whether or not we can be efficient offensively and get the spacing that we need. But (against Boston) we had a very good offensive fourth quarter with those guys together. It allows us against big teams to matchup better. It’s got some real positives.’’
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Will Dwight Howard and Marcin Gortat play together more often?
Josh Robbins, more or less, provides a similar report about the trio.
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Its panic time already? Would they honestly trade VC if they got a decent offer? Sounds like a terrible idea to me...
Guess that all depends on what Otis thinks is a decent offer, no?
"I’ll go into practice and strangle every single one of them." Kobe's plan to get his teammates engaged after they lost the season series to the Cavs. Leadership.
by magicfaninTN on Jan 29, 2010 10:53 PM EST up reply actions
Who said it was panic time? The Magic are fine, as is, and Carter probably isn't going anywhere.
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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
Yea, the early season showed that VC was a big force and I think he’ll return to it, but even then he wasn’t posting great assist rates for our system.
I’m honestly surprised by Rashard Lewis garnering interest. It would make no sense to trade him away I believe, he’s still been a really consistent and important piece for Orlando.
It’s still so tough for me to decide what the Magic are thinking. Trading VC for an upgrade long term would make sense, but so would giving him his shot at the playoffs and that one more extra season with the Magic core to develop the chemistry. It’s a question of whether VC’s current woes are really mental or really physical (probably some of both)? If he’s pyhsically wearing down (after the kind of past seasons and start to this season tho.. seems impossible to happen this early) then the Magic have to adjust greatly. But in two weeks, this exact worry could be completely gone if VC returned to 17, 4, 3 numbers on 40+% again.
I think it all depends on what’s happening still right near the deadline.. the Magic big men are valueable and I think the other teams will either go cheaply after other less qualified big men, or will pony up some real basketball assets in return finally. And if no good deals are on the table, the Magic will make trade packages for tradeable stars like Bosh or Johnson and see how that plays out this deadline and summer instead.
I agree with you on VC. And somewhat agree with you on Rashard. He is a good asset now. But, he is up there in age and who knows how long his contributions to the team could last. Ryan Anderson is good enough to be a starter. Plus, he is a lot cheaper than Rashard. Moving Rashard and VC could be their way of trying to free up some money to pick up some good players this off season (Dwayne Wade, anyone?). I also have a feeling they will try to trade Jameer sometime in the off-season. I just hope Dwight will be able to handle all the changes.
I don't think they move Jameer any time soon.
One reason is he is probably Dwight’s best friend on the team now. Second, his contract is a bargain if he gets anywhere near his form last year (and he’s been improving as a whole starting with the LA game). Third, and probably the most important, Otis and Stan seem to trust him a lot.
Of course no one outside of LeBron is untradeable. If the Magic can swing, say, CP3 in a deal for Jameer and some other pieces, I would hope Otis wouldn’t even blink an eye.
Yeah, and there's a good chance he won't be there in 2 years.
If they want a chance moving forward, they have to either succeed in the next 2 years (in the playoffs, not just getting there) or move him for a lot of pieces. The best point guard in the last decade would get a lot of interest.
Lewis isn't going anywhere.
As for Carter, again, he’s not tradable right now.
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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
the problem is
If you would rather have Dwayne Wade for VC/Rashard, don’t you think EVERY other team in the league would also like to have Dwayne Wade over VC/Rashard? So then why would any team take those massive contracts for players who are not worth it? Even if Rashard Lewis plays at his absolute PEAK, he is not worth anywhere close to his contract. Thus, no team in the league would take Rashard for free. The only way they would take Rashard is if they are also able to unload bad contracts on you. And then, what’s really the point?
The same is true with VC. He does not have an expiring contract yet. Maybe next year when his contract is expiring someone will take him. But no way this year. VC is not worth anything close to his contract value.
I’m not sure they can gain enough room to sign a max guy. I think they wouldn’t trade Jameer but I can see it also. It’s good to have the same sentiments on VC, he will snap out of this soon enough.
by derekk on Jan 31, 2010 2:31 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
It's impossible for the Magic to sign a max player unless it's in a sign-and-trade.
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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
Trade
I would like to see Orlando trade Bass for a young SG. like Anthony Morrow
They have 10 SG’s and they need some size.
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The Magic can get something better for Bass than Morrow.
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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
Not a bit.
But he plays for the Warriors, so its hard to tell.
"I’ll go into practice and strangle every single one of them." Kobe's plan to get his teammates engaged after they lost the season series to the Cavs. Leadership.
by magicfaninTN on Jan 30, 2010 8:33 PM EST up reply actions
suggestions.
They shoots a solid FG and 3 pt %. Bass doesn’t even play.
You don’t think we are overstating the value of undersized PF/C who doesn’t defend or rebound well, by the numbers?
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No.
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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
Honestly? I'd prefer a young point guard.
The last thing the Magic need is another wing player, assuming Barnes (player option) and Redick (qualifying offer) come back next year. I like Morrow but Johnson isn’t coming back next year and Williams is 34. Orlando needs to get a young point guard to groom.
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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
Sergio Rodriguez
"I’ll go into practice and strangle every single one of them." Kobe's plan to get his teammates engaged after they lost the season series to the Cavs. Leadership.
by magicfaninTN on Jan 30, 2010 6:15 PM EST up reply actions
Pass.
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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
Really? What are you looking for?
Have you checked stats this year? I know he’s not getting a ton of burn, but 6pt, 3ast, >2to1 ast-to-TO on 45.2% fg and 39.5% 3pt in 13 minutes isn’t too shabby. 18.3PER. Holding opposing PG to 13.9PER. 109.5 OFF, 99.4 DEF
His per36 numbers would be 16.3/3.6/8.3 for pts/reb/ast
And, he sure got in Anthony “Karate-Kick” Johnson’s head the other night.
So, why not? Who do you have your eye on?
"I’ll go into practice and strangle every single one of them." Kobe's plan to get his teammates engaged after they lost the season series to the Cavs. Leadership.
by magicfaninTN on Jan 31, 2010 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
more...
He’s 6’3"
23 years-old
Sacramento is +91 with him in the game. Sacramento.
And that’s with the 2nd/3rd units including times with Udrih at SG, sometimes Evans at SG, Nocioni or Donte Greene at PF, Brockman or Thompson at C, Udoka at SG/SF
Oh, did I mention he plays for the Spanish national team and Fran Vazquez’s European contract is up this year?
http://www.82games.com/0910/09SAC1.HTM
"I’ll go into practice and strangle every single one of them." Kobe's plan to get his teammates engaged after they lost the season series to the Cavs. Leadership.
by magicfaninTN on Jan 31, 2010 1:04 PM EST up reply actions
Fran Vazquez?
Who is this mythical figure you speak of?
Can't shoot.
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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
I like Rodriguez because he fits the JWill mold of a guy who can push the tempo and really pass
My problem with him is that he can’t shoot worth a damn.
Bingo.
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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
I wouldn't lose a trade for a young PG tho. Not with J Will around, Im sure he can do atleast 1 more season like this one.
Depends on the deal.
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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
you are correct
People usually overestimate players on their team. Bass/Gortat are two such players. Gortat has a 5 year deal for $35m! I do not think he is worth his contract, not to mention his contract is very long. So why would another team actually want to trade for him and that massive contract? He is a backup quality center. No where else in the league would this guy start (regardless of what you guys say). Bass has a better contract since it is only for 3 years. Unfortunately he is not as good as Gortat. So i just don’t see any demand for these 2 players.
Is contradicting Eddy a hobby of your's or something?
"I’ll go into practice and strangle every single one of them." Kobe's plan to get his teammates engaged after they lost the season series to the Cavs. Leadership.
by magicfaninTN on Jan 30, 2010 4:16 PM EST up reply actions
Is there something wrong having an opposing view?
I know there times I disagree with his views myself. That is what makes blogging fun.
On this occasion I agree with plyka on Bass, not as much Gortat. I think Gortat is starting C in this league. I could name 10 teams he could start on right now and be an upgrade over the current guy. The team that signed him to the original contract this off-season would be much better with Gortat.
As for Bass he is a guy who can have been had this off-season and didn’t fetch a big deal then. Not sure how his limited playing time the season has increased his value.
E, I respect your flat out NO, but I disagree though.. As a lead blogger on this site, I know you are privy to more information, but I don’t see the value.
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Bass not playing hasn't increased or hurt his value, it's remain static in my opinion.
Which, for Otis Smith, is a good thing. As for Gortat, after how he played last season and after how he has been playing lately (with the Boston Celtics game as his crowning jewel this year, so far), if people don’t think he’s a starting-caliber center than they shouldn’t have any opinion on basketball. Gortat is a walking double-double player.
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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
Thats fine, but everytime I read legit ESPN and media reporters who gather directly from FO and league sources, the general word is many teams are interested in these 2 guys, and its only Otis saying the offers havent become good enough yet. Thats why Im hearing less quality big men now. Its all opinions.
Interesting Hedo article...
http://nba.fanhouse.com/2010/01/29/video-hedo-turkoglu-does-not-enjoy-post-game-interviews/
I think it’s time for Hedo to come home, it’s obvious he’s not happy with his decision and it’s a shame to see someone that was so happy-go-lucky and goofy here to now be so serious and ripped by fans that don’t know him.
I like Hedo, but he made his bed.
And who says he’s unhappy in TOR? I think he just didn’t like the interview….or the cell phone pictures…… Triano seems to be figuring out how to use him. TOR is in 5th in the east, 3 games over .500, and 6-4 over their last 10. I hope we don’t get them in the playoffs, ’cause right now we would and they can be dangerous.
Hopefully VC starts to gel with ORL soon, too…..sometimes it just takes time.
"I’ll go into practice and strangle every single one of them." Kobe's plan to get his teammates engaged after they lost the season series to the Cavs. Leadership.
by magicfaninTN on Jan 30, 2010 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
I watch their games all the time...
he doesn’t play the same, there’s no smile on his face…I think he’s finally realized this is a business.
If you mean he's finally realized treating it like a business has cost him something more than $$$.
Then I agree. I think Turk’s been pissed off a little since Otis turned him down (or lowballed, depending on who’s camp you’re in). Everybody said he’s just low key during the summer, but for a guy who is often so happy-go-lucky, in all the Portland and Toronto interviews, he looked downright melancholy.
I guess you’re on to something. Maybe he’s not happy in TOR, and if so, I stick by my original statement….“He made his bed….”
"I’ll go into practice and strangle every single one of them." Kobe's plan to get his teammates engaged after they lost the season series to the Cavs. Leadership.
by magicfaninTN on Jan 30, 2010 4:08 PM EST up reply actions
LOL
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