Yahoo! Sports: Vince Carter, Rashard Lewis, and Jameer Nelson Not Among This Year's All-Stars
by Evan Dunlap on Jan 28, 2010 1:56 PM EST
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PrintTo no one's surprise, NBA coaches did not name any Orlando Magic players to the Eastern Conference All-Star team reserves. The official announcement won't happen until later this evening, but Yahoo! Sports just leaked the All-Star rosters, which you can read here. Barring an injury to a player already on the team, Vince Carter, Rashard Lewis, and Jameer Nelson will not appear in this year's game. Dwight Howard will start, as he's done in each of the last two games. Lewis and Nelson were surprise members of last year's team, perhaps boosted by Orlando's strong record to that point.
While their merited exclusion was expected, there were some surprises on the roster. Al Horford, and not Josh Smith, became the second Atlanta Hawk on this year's East squad. Centers David Lee and Brook Lopez will sit out to make room for point guard Derrick Rose. Out West, the L.A. Lakers' Pau Gasol got an invitation despite missing 17 games.
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Agree on Josh Smith and Rose
Smith should have made it over Horford or even Pierce. And no PG in the East really deserved a spot except for Rondo, so Rose is a surprise.
Out West, I think Monta Ellis should definitely be on there. He’s having a hell of a season. Hopefully if Roy sits (hamstring), he’ll get the spot. I think even Tyreke has earned a spot. Too many great guards out there. But yeah, I agree, no Gasol.
And who else thinks the required reserve C is the reason for all the snubs every year?
Seriously, I remember the year Jamaal Magloire made it. WTF?!
Just pick the 7 BEST PLAYERS who deserve it, regardless of position. Coaches shouldn’t be forced to pick a C, especially in an era where there are very few quality centers left.
You're allowed to pick a player that only plays sparingly at C if that's his secondary position.
Problem is, coaches don’t really do that when they’re picking All-Star reserves.
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I wouldn't want to take back all that money on his deal unless he developed a reliable 3-pointer
But sure, he’s younger and probably better. Again, I’m biased toward guards who can shoot.
I am not worried as much about the 3 pointer.
I love his willingness to drive the basketball and his ability to knock down the mid-range jumper at high %. Do you need him to shoot 3’s with a strech 4?
Drawback his deal and his ability to stay healthy since he had the accident.
I think all 3 point shooting has hurt this team, so the fact he doesn’t shoot 3 is a plus to me.. Kobe shoots a similiar % from 3.
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With Howard, you need everyone to be a capable three-point shooter.
But I agree with you, I like his ability to draw fouls and pull-up from mid-range (though in general I hate the mid-range J).
Kobe hits mid-range jumpers more efficiently than just about anyone, because he's inhuman, which is what makes it okay
But in general, the mid-range j is the least efficient shot in basketball. Rules that apply to most people do not apply to Kobe.
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c’mon, that was a perfect setup
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by AB's triple double on Jan 28, 2010 4:05 PM EST up reply actions
i wish
i wish someday i could be so good at something that i would create half the level of hatred/jealousy among lesser people towards me…as kobe has…
Kobe has put some of that "hate" on himself, though.
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Wow, that's a bold statement
I’d have to disagree, although neither deserve to be an all star. Monta plays a ton of minutes though, and 46% from the field ain’t bad when you’re a volume shooter like he is.
I mean I’m sure you wouldn’t make this point without stats to back it up, I’m sure Maggette has been hella efficient. But I think the All-Star game is more about flash than effiency. Monta is a “highlight reel” guy, and for that I think he deserves it over anybody on his team. I personally can’t remember a single Maggette play this year.
They are both solid though, that’s just my opinion.
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by magic fanatic on Jan 28, 2010 3:01 PM EST up reply actions
Ellis isn't solid, sorry.
You can’t be efficient when you have an Offensive Rating of 99 and you can’t be an All-Star when you have a PER of 17.1, 1 year adjusted plus/minus of +0.10, statistical plus/minus of -1.09, yeah.
I can go on.
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Cool doesn't count, in my eyes.
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I think that’s where we part on this one. I think the All Star game is a show, so looking cool and playing flashy is part of it in my opinion. I mean, is anyone really gonna care what the plus/minus’s were on Feb. 14? I don’t think so.
Would I Monta on my team? No, he’d be a horrible fit in Orlando. Do i think he deserves All-Star consideration over anybody on the Warriors? Yes, because he’s the star attraction on that team. Again, just my opinion
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by magic fanatic on Jan 28, 2010 3:47 PM EST up reply actions
I don't agree with that rationale at all.
A player shouldn’t be awarded for how he plays.
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I hear ya. Like always, you make very valid points. I just see it at a different angle I guess.
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by magic fanatic on Jan 28, 2010 4:48 PM EST up reply actions
Difference was Francis was actually a borderline All-Star talent.
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I'll be honest
I’ve only seen a few Warriors games mainly b/c he’s on a couple of my fantasy teams lol. I don’t have much knowledge with advanced statistics, but I know that he’s been putting up All-Star type numbers. He’ll probably never make the team b/c of all the great guards out West and will get looked over every year b/c he’s a Warrior and his numbers look inflated in Nellie’s offense.
But he deserves some kind of recognition for a great season. And hell, I know a lot of people here would rather watch him play in the game than Pau Gasol!
He's not, though. He's not putting All-Star numbers, I just showed them.
I don’t care what his per game averages are because they’re skewed by the pace that the Warriors play. I can point out almost any linear metric that I can find, as I just did above, and show that he’s not good enough. He’s not having a great season, not by any stretch of the imagination.
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But they are also skewed by the amount of minutes he plays. He leads the league with 42 minutes played along with Gerald Wallace. I believe he also has more complete games than anyone this year, but I’m not 100% on that. To me, that’s impressive. He’s easily one of the top athletes in this league.
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by magic fanatic on Jan 28, 2010 4:53 PM EST up reply actions
I don't know advanced stats like you guys do
All I got is that he’s killing it for my fantasy teams lol. But I’m just surprised that you guys say he doesn’t deserve it at all.
really?
I mean, that’s a logical perspective. It impresses me that he plays as much as he does, I think it’s a testiment to his superior athleticism.
There’s definitely a divide in people who really dig deep in the numbers and people who just don’t want to hear it. I don’t think either side is better than the other, but I’m defintely on the opposite side than you too. That may sound like ignorance, but it is what it is.
I understand the advanced stats say I’m wrong, but when I watch Ellis I see a guy who’s doing everything he’s asked to do on a really bad team. He plays a ton of minutes at a grueling pace, and subsequently kills it on certain people’s fantasy teams. I don’t think that makes him an All Star in the west, but I do think he’s worth consideration. I’ll leave it at that, we got a big game tonight.
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by magic fanatic on Jan 28, 2010 6:38 PM EST up reply actions
"and subsequently kills it on certain people’s fantasy teams."
Hahah awesome, thanks. Couldn’t have said it better myself. =P
None of those advanced statistics are skewed by the amount of minutes he plays.
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Gasol is one of the NBA's most underrated players.
And trust me, I’d rather that wasn’t true. But sometimes I think he has more to do with making that team go than Kobe does.
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Gasol makes the Lakers special.
That’s been the case since he was traded to Los Angeles a few years back.
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If he does, something is wrong.
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I don't want to fucking see the boring Horford in the all star game
I want to see Josh Smith dunking the shit out of the rim.
LOL, easy with the language.
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Yeah well I thought I'll be less hypocrite as it really annoyed me
Don’t tell me you don’t agree. Plus that I really think Josh Smith deserves it more. He’s just complete: points, rebounds, assists, steals, blocks.
Smith should be an All-Star, yes.
Horford, too, but if push came to shove, Smith deserves to be a reserve more without a doubt.
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No love for Horford?
What about Noah or Corey Brewer? Or even Teddy Dupay?
Teddy Dupay? Isn't he a rapist?
Last I heard he was playing in Ecuador or something.
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All-Star game is better than the Pro Bowl.
Tied with the MLB All-Star game and behind the NHL All-Star (World vs. North America is always fun). There have been some surprisingly competitive games, and most of them are entertaining. Especially if you’re a fan of a team like Boston or Portland or some other slow, plodding team, seeing some of the best athletes tossing alleys to each other is exciting. Then they usually try to buckle down and play D in the 4th quarter if it’s close.
P.S. Almost everything is a “money making event”. Every NBA game is a money making event.
The best stuff for all of them is the surrounding events
This is a bit OT, but I’d love to see the NHL introduce skills contests like the AHL does for their all-star weekend – hardest shot, shot accuracy, speed, footwork…I like to see the skills contests like the 3-point contest (slightly less so the dunk contest, which is more “art” IMO) and the home run derby.
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The NHL one had the slapshot accuracy and hardest shot the last time I saw it.
They’d place targets in each corner and measure the speed of it, pretty cool stuff. I definitely think the NBA’s All-Star weekend needs to flesh that stuff out better. The 3-point Contest is still great, although it probably could use some tweaking by someone smarter than me for some more entertainment. Maybe there could be a money ball rack from an extra 5 or so feet farther. The dunk contest is completely dependent on the contestants. The skills competition, that could be better, but they’re on the right track. HORSE just needs to be worked on a bit and fleshed out.
In all honesty
VC, Lew and Nelson didnt deserve it as much as they other guys selected did so no reason for them to feel bad.
Finally the NBA is selecting players who deserve it, Josh Smith needs to be an Allstar!
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Josh Smith should have made it over Pierce
and Lopez/Lee should have made it over Horford. I have a feeling we’ll have a few extra All-Stars due to health issues
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KG shouldn't have been on the team, that was the problem.
Well, y’know, besides AI making it. But fans are going to vote the way fans do. At least they got the team about 80% right.
Derrick Rose's numbers are more than deserving for the All-Star Game
…and I’m happy he made it.
He’s averaging 19.6 ppg on 47.7% shooting, 5.9 assists per game, and 3.7 rebounds per game. Except for the shooting percentage, Rose’s numbers are better than Jameer Nelson’s numbers last season, when Jameer was deservedly selected as an All-Star.
Rose’s numbers for the month of January are terrific… 23.3 ppg on 51% shooting and 6.5 assists.
Even during December Rose averaged over 20 ppg. These last two months have more than made up for the fact that Rose had an average month of November because he had to play himself into shape after missing virtually the entire preseason with a bad ankle.
Also, Rose has been killing it from the outside with his shooting this entire month, so people who continue to say that Rose can’t shoot from the outside haven’t been paying attention to his game at all.
Rose is the first Bulls player to be selected to the All-Star Game since you-know-who in 1998.
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by Mike from Illinois on Jan 28, 2010 5:30 PM EST reply actions
Eh, I don't think he's deserving but he has played magnificently in January now that he's healthy.
There certainly could have been a worse pick than Rose.
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You don't think he's deserving?!
I’ll never agree with you about that, E.
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by Mike from Illinois on Jan 28, 2010 5:47 PM EST up reply actions
No, I don't.
PER (17.7), 1 year adjusted plus/minus (-3.62), statistical plus/minus (-2.74), and WARP (3.2) .. underwhelming numbers. I realize that Rose has had a great January, which makes the pick not that ludicrous, and I also realize that he wasn’t at full strength earlier in the regular season but I still can’t ignore the numbers. Again, I like Rose a lot but I don’t think he’s deserving. Not a bad pick, mind you.
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I knew you'd bring up the PER
…and a few of the other advanced stats to try and solidify your stance about Rose.
I’m still not going to ignore his season averages of 19.6 ppg, 5.9 assists, and 3.7 rebounds. Nothing underwhelming about those numbers for a point guard, IMO. Those were better than Jameer Nelson’s numbers (16.7 ppg, 5.4 assists, 3.5 rebounds) last season, when Jameer was selected to the All-Star Game, even though Nelson had a higher PER than Rose’s current PER.
At least you said that Rose isn’t a bad pick for the All-Star Game.
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by Mike from Illinois on Jan 28, 2010 6:53 PM EST up reply actions
I'd have to agree with you here
He’s changed some opinions lately, but he made Bulls fans worry a couple of months ago. I’d go as far as saying Stephen Jackson deserves it more than Rose. Not a horrible pick, but I don’t think it’s his time yet.
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by magic fanatic on Jan 28, 2010 7:25 PM EST up reply actions
Stephen Jackson's PER is lower than Derrick Rose's PER
Jackson’s PER is just 15.8 compared to Rose’s 17.7.
I’m glad Rose made it; he is deserving of an All-Star bid IMO.
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by Mike from Illinois on Jan 28, 2010 7:50 PM EST up reply actions
No, in that case, Rose deserves it more than Jackson.
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Like the original Derrick Rose?
I mean, if McGrady can almost get voted in, surely Steve Francis is a candidate?
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