Memphis Grizzlies 99, Orlando Magic 95
The Orlando Magic's inability to control the defensive glass or hang on to the basketball was their undoing in their 99-94 loss to the Memphis Grizzlies on Monday night. Memphis rebounded 36.8% of its misses thanks in large part to Zach Randolph, who grabbed 9 of his 19 rebounds on the offensive end in addition to leading the Grizzlies with 23 points. Dwight Howard played well in defeat, with 27 points, 15 rebounds, 3 assists, and 6 blocked shots, but his work simply wasn't enough to compensate for the Magic's lack of frontcourt size. Power forwards Rashard Lewis, Ryan Anderson, and Brandon Bass struggled to contain Randolph, which prompted coach Stan Van Gundy to pair Howard with backup center Marcin Gortat for a brief stretch in the fourth quarter. Orlando's second unit built a lead that ballooned to 16 points in the first half, but allowed Memphis to get right back into the game with a 20-3 run.
| Team | Pace | Efficiency | eFG% | FT Rate | OReb% | TO Rate |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Magic | 91 | 103.3 | 50.6% | 19.2 | 29.5 | 20.9 |
| Grizzlies | 91 | 108.8 | 50.0% | 20.7 | 36.8 | 22.0 |
| Green denotes a stat better than the team's season average; red denotes a stat worse than the team's season average. | ||||||
I have to level with you here: I didn't get a chance to watch the game at all, and only had a chance to listen to fragments of the first half on radio. But based solely on the box score, yeah, this game was one to forget. Once again, Orlando--despite being the league's best defensive rebounding team--could not stop its opponent from getting after its own misses. Once again, the Magic coughed up a double-digit lead on the road. It's a well-worn story by now, and I'm not sure what I can add here that you don't know already.
I do think that Vince Carter will receive a heap of criticism tomorrow for taking a deep three-pointer on the aforementioned blown play, and for his 15-point performance on 6-of-15 shooting. But I'm not sure if that's entirely fair. 4 of his 6 three-point attempts came in the game's waning moments, with Orlando in desperation mode, and he missed them all. What I'm getting at is that he selected his shots well up to that point: 6 shots at the rim, 1 mid-range jumper, 2 long two-pointers, and 2 three-pointers. That's the sort of balance that Orlando needs from Carter.
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Your assessment of Vince is an accurate one. He played a solid game (without being spectacular) and shouldn’t be criticized for taking those two threes in the dying seconds. His earlier three-point attempt in the fourth came about from what I consider to be his only poor decision of the game. He had two steals, an impressive block, played through another bump that he received to his hurt left shoulder (Marc Gasol was more than a little active on screens against Vince throughout the game), and made a concerted effort to finish at the rim.
If anybody wants to blame a Magic guard for this loss – look no further than Jameer. Without sugar coating, he was awful. He had 4 fouls by the 30 second mark of the second half, turned the ball over consistently, and had just one assist. He often bailed out early in offensive possessions – handing the ball to Vince or JJ and hoping they’d do the rest. If you want to look past the Magic’s guards, take a long hard look at Rashard. He needs to start playing like he’s a tall forward, not a shooting guard. For someone of his size and with his reach, failing to box out is un-acceptable.
The 6 turnovers to just 1 assist is unacceptable from Jameer Nelson
…and this came after a brilliant game from him on Saturday against the Bobcats.
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by Mike from Illinois on Jan 26, 2010 4:42 AM EST up reply actions
Nelson is part of the team. The team lost. Ergo, blame the team, not the player.
I don’t mind if people criticize a player for not playing well. There are times when the criticism is warranted but unless it’s absolutely clear cut that an individual lost the game for a squad (I can’t think of a good example, right now), shift the blame to the team, not the player. All this ‘trade Jameer’ chatter humors me when he just got done playing an excellent game against the Bobcats on Saturday night. That’s three days!
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Absolutely... win as a team, lose as a team
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by Mike from Illinois on Jan 26, 2010 6:37 PM EST up reply actions
The Magic did not get the ball to Dwight Howard enough in the final period
After the Magic took the lead 84-77 with just over 10 minutes remaining, Howard took just ONE more shot attempt the rest of the game. He did go to the free throw line 4 times in the final 10 minutes, making 3.
Very disappointing the Magic did not look for him more. They settled for outside shots, and it wound up costing them the game, as the Magic made just 2 of their final 15 shots in the fourth quarter.
Of those 13 misses, 8 were three point attempts, and 4 were jumpers. Only Howard’s lone attempt in the final 10 minutes was from in close.
Vince Carter was the only starter not to have a turnover, and he played 32 minutes.
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by Mike from Illinois on Jan 26, 2010 4:57 AM EST reply actions
Carter rarely turns the ball over, his turnover percentage is the best on the team.
As for Howard, that’s too much of a pattern. He dominates for the majority of the game, then gets neglected down the stretch. I know the team realizes it needs to play inside-out consistently (Lewis pointed it out after the game), but it’s frustrating to watch when everyone on the roster doesn’t do what it has to do to succeed.
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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
I don't know why Stan allows that.
He should always emphasize that to the players, if He sees Dwight is being over looked. Call a timeout and remind it again to the players. When players fall in love with the 3’s, somehow Stan loves it as well.
I agree, he should remind the players that Dwight needs the ball.
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I deffinettly dont blame vince, his game tongith was really great and He is looking back like his old self
those couple of powerful dunks were a great sight to see, if i would have to choose a turnign point it was when we brought Bass in, H came in a racked up two turnovers and three fouls in 3 minutes,inexcusable. I usually am all for Bass but he deffinetlly doesnt gell with our system. The reason we lost was turnovers. It was rediculous. We would have been up by 30 points had we not turned it over so much in the first quater. I still get the feeling that we are playing really well with a high energy level. And with Vince playing in attack mode we should be fine. Another big problem last night with Pietrus, my god, he was awful. If you look at his stat sheet you will see every night every attempted shot is a three, for god sakes drive the ball. He is most efficient when he is driving and drawling fouls. when he is doing this he ,mixes in the occasional three pointer and gets in the flow of the game. I think we have a tough two games that could really let us prove ourselves.
Look at it this way, it was the Magic's game to lose.
Just recently, Orlando didn’t even give itself a chance to have a “game to lose.”
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The Orlando Magic cannot be a serious contender relying on Jameer as their starting point guard. 6 turnovers to 1 assist and a lot of poor decisions.
It’s time to trade him while people still remember he managed to be an All-Star last season. He’s downhill and will have no trade value in 2 or 3 years.
Stop blaming him.
Nelson just got done destroying the Bobcats and now we’re going to trade him after a bad game? No. Sorry, but trading everyone away when they have a bad game is not the solution to every problem in the NBA.
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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
Ja,eer has his moments, i just feel if we trade him we will have bigger problems
D12 already feels like we traded away his best friend and older brother, now if we trade Meer we may create such a chemistry problem we eill not be able to repair. Meer did have a dissapointing game but i wouldnt be so quick to blame things on him, He had been playing good basketball and wad pushing the ball up the floor well lasy night. I think we will be fine and are really begginning to mesh togheter. With 6 turnovers from ur pt guard it is hard to win but everyone plays bad games now and then.,
For me, its not just a bad night. Jameer is playing poor basketball all season. And Dwight should grow up and think about winning a ring in Orlando. Not about his friends, old brothers… Otherwise, we will continue to see him in the bench, laughing, at the end of games, even though there is no reason to laugh.
You might have missed Saturday's game
Jameer had 21 points on 8-12 shooting, 7 assists, 4 rebounds
Don't try to use logic here.
The Magic lost, hence logic has no place in this discussion.
You can't cloud the issue with 1 game
Last year Jameer had a PER of 20.6. A very respectable number for a point guard. There weren’t many other PGs in the league i would take over Jameer, especially since i think shoot first PGs are better than pass first ones.
That said, this year JAmeer has a PER of 13.6. I’m not sure you understand how much of a drastic collapse that is. The AVERAGE player gets a 15 PER. Jameer made it to the all-star team with a 20.6. His play has moved down from all-star, to BELOW AVERAGE.
You can attempt to cloud the issue with 1 game or perhaps 2. But you’re only deluding yourself. He has played absolutely HORRIBLE this year. Of course this doesn’t mean you trade him. Maybe you do and maybe you don’t. That’s not my point. My point is that Jameer has had a horrible year and to try to cloud the issue with 1 game is like sticking your head in the sand.
I thought bigs like Z-Bo we precisely why we got Bass in the first place.
Disappointing. I’m sure for him, too, since it doesn’t help him get playing time when he puts up those kinds of numbers.
"I’ll go into practice and strangle every single one of them." Kobe's plan to get his teammates engaged after they lost the season series to the Cavs. Leadership.
Again, Bass isn't a good rebounder.
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Yeah, Bass looked lost out there.
He has not been very good even when he’s gotten into games recently.
Efficent fouling.
I turned on the game and saw Bass guarding Z-Bo and started to smiling. Not a half second later Z-Bo blew by him for a lay-in..
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all this tallent, all theese lineups, and still the same problems every game! im just going to throw this out there COACHING!!!!!!!!!!, hey Im a defensive coach who plays a 3 at the 4 for a offensive mismatch? ( that worked a lot better when you had 2- 6’10 forwards) I hate watching our guys run down to the other end of the floor while an offensive rebound almost hits them in their heels( GO AFTER EVERY REBOUND)!!!! we have the best rebounders in the league and we dont take advantage of it. everything that is wrong with this team is a direct result of the coaching staff. if your going to take this many 3’s ya gotta crash the offensive glass. SVG is a great defensive caoch but the train stops there. How many years is it going to take him to figure out how to get Howard the ball early & often ? My name is SVG and I dont use any of my teams strengths to my advantage. ( I have a system and im going to run it no matter how bad we play).
I know what Bo dont know.
Correction, the Magic have the best REBOUNDER (no plural) in the league. Not rebounders.
Want to know why a defensive coach plays a small forward at power forward? Because that player plays defense. If Lewis couldn’t play above-average defense, as he did last year, then there wouldn’t be this discussion. As for blaming the head coach for Howard not getting the ball enough, last time I checked, Van Gundy isn’t out there playing point guard and directing the offense. Yes, Stan calls the plays but it ultimately falls on the TEAM (notice how I emphasize team and not point out a single player) to execute the plays.
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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
Stop blaming him.
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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
Anybody else tired of Stan stubborn as a mule attitude
It’s like nobody from our media wants to critcize Stan. He should receive 100 percent blame for this loss. He makes terrible decisions with our rotation. Somebody needs to call him out on it.
What is with people's obsession for blaming someone? Blame the team. Enough with the scapegoating.
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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
I'd understand your lack of understanding more if this was the only bad game Nelson has had this season.
But he’s had a bad entire season. He did have a good game in Charlotte….and then I’d be hard-pressed to think of another good game from this year. I think that even you, Eddy, can admit that Nelson’s play in this game and most of this season has been unacceptable, and that it’s not entirely out of the question to wonder if last season was the outlier instead of this season.
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by MoveThoseChains on Jan 26, 2010 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
I can admit it and I did last week in a post I made regarding the struggles of the four All-Stars.
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So then, given their struggles and specifically Nelson's, isn't it fair to blame them for the problems caused to the team for their struggles?
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by MoveThoseChains on Jan 27, 2010 9:12 PM EST up reply actions
No, because it's more than them.
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Because what you're really doing is not blaming anyone
There is no such thing as an entity called “the team.” It doesn’t exist. The team as you put it, is a collection of INDIVIDUALS. These individuals comprise the team. So when you say don’t blame any individual blame the team, what you’re saying is don’t blame any individual (since you can’t blame something which does not exist, “the team”).
Of course i guess it is technically possible that each individual player on the team is exactly at fault proportionally. But then again, that is such a low probability. The truth is that some individuals are to blame more than others. Matt Barnes for instance is playing incredible basketball, at least relative to his skill level. Ryan Anderson is a great surprise. Dwight Howard is also playing very well, unfortunately he didn’t advance his game at all over the offseason. You can blame him for not putting the work in to get an offensive skill set, or you can say he did work hard enough but he just doesn’t have the capability to acquire an offensive skill set. Jameer/VC/Rashard, you can say are playing bad basketball, overall. You can blame them for not playing well. This is shown via JAmeer’s PER which has fallen from 20.6 to 13.6 since last season. I’m not sure how you can blame a non-existent “team” for Jameer’s crappy play.
As for the coach. SVG has done a horrible job this year. Everyone agreed on the talent level of the individuals on this team. Yet when they don’t get it done, you must place some blame on the coach. This is just simple reasoning.
by plyka on Jan 26, 2010 2:10 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I'm not here to argue semantics.
Each player on the team has a responsibility to do whatever it is he needs to do. Some proportionally more than others, that’s why there are defined roles. For you to say Dwight Howard hasn’t advanced his game on offense, well, I don’t know what games you’ve been watching lately. If anyone has any doubt that Howard hasn’t worked on his offensive skill-set during the summer, I simply ask that you watch these last 5 games (specifically, the second quarter against the Los Angeles Lakers). The proof is right there. I have said Nelson, Lewis, and Carter have been playing bad basketball. If you weren’t so wrapped up in your little sermon you’re trying to give me, you’d be aware that I pointed out in detail the struggles of each of the “All-Stars” in a write-up I made last week. Don’t explain to me what I don’t already know because it’s condescending. As for Nelson, there’s other numbers besides PER (shocking, I know).
As for the Orlando Magic, it is an individual entity. It is an entity that can be viewed as a set (team) with subsets (players). Or in the large view, the NBA can be viewed as a set (league) with subsets (teams).
I can go on.
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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
A Teamwide collapse in the final few minutes.
The whole bit about the first half doesn’t matter much because teams will make runs in the NBA. Especially a team on a 10 game home winning streak playing in front of their crowd. The final minutes is where the Magic lost it, and yeah, Dwight looked to be the only one not culpable. Bad defensive rotations, bad shot selection, silly foul by Jameer on Gasol, it wasn’t pretty.
However, as was pointed out, this Grizzlies team is no joke. They have one of the best starting units in the NBA, in my opinion, and all of their starters played great. It’s not the end of the world that we lost this game. Hell, it wouldn’t be the end of the world if the Magic didn’t win again for the rest of the year. It’s a sport, take something to mellow out if you find yourself hyperventilating after your team loses.
100% agreed that this loss goes to all the team.
Maybe the only ones that don’t deserve blame are Howard and Redick, the rest, Nelson, Carter, Lewis, SVG and the bench all had something to do (or something they didn’t do) with the Grizzlies victory.
If the Magic manage to get 3 consecutive wins against the Hawks, Celtics and Pistons, this game will be water under the bridge.
Magic Fan since the 1992-1993 Season.
by North of the South on Jan 26, 2010 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
C'mon E I do agree with you, bu
But why keep ALL of our 2nd unit on floor? Memphis had all their starters in Then the leads starts to dwindle, no changes were made. We were in such a nice rhythm. Then Stan expects our starters to come in and bail us out, they were resting for way too long. It’s one game, I’m just waiting for this team to figure it out. Blowing leads gets annoying after awhile.
Can we change our name to 4th Quarter Collapse?
Just kidding but it feels like we have a hard time scoring in the 4th quarters these days.
I think its really only been a problem the last 5 games, (which incidentally was when we were supposedly coming out of our funk) but it started with the Lakers game when they went on the 21-0 run or whatever it was.
I’d be interested to see what our efficiency differential is by quarter as well as compare our 4th quarter efficiency this year to last year. I’m sure the resources are available online I just don’t know where to find them.
I’d like to see if we play worse in the 4th, if its just my imagination, and if we were any better in the 4th last year.
I can see if Jon can take a look at some of those numbers for you.
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In addition, would also be interested in a break down by UNIT within the 4Q.
Since that quarter tends to see the bench for the first part, with the starters finishing the game…..that’s two different groups.
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by magicfaninTN on Jan 27, 2010 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
That'll be tough, but I can ask.
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I guess I am the only one
that feels 30 pf versus 16 is wacky. The result of the game I saw was way too heavily influenced by the ref’s.
by NC Magic Fan on Jan 26, 2010 3:00 PM EST reply actions
I left my house when the Magic had a comfortable 16 point first half lead. What I saw when I returned was a 15 point 4th quarter collapse in the Box Score.
How long will Dwight be happy putting up those types of numbers while having a horribly inconsistent cast of supporting stars? Honestly, do we have a true #2 star? I would be hard-pressed to check box scores and find a game I can single out Dwight as the reason for Orlando losing that particular game but I can find several within a few minutes of Vince, Jameer & Rashard. Last night just happens to be one where you can look at all 3 as the reason Orlando lost. Rashard 38% on 16 FG attempts, VC 40% on 15 FG attempts (6 3’s 2 freethrows) and Jameer 1 Ast to 6 TO’s (1 freethrow attempt)? Remove J.J. and our bench which is suposedly one of the best shoots 4-16 FG and 3-12 3-pt.
The word of the season for Orlando’s #2, #3 #4 Stars is “Underperformance”.
I know Memphis is a good team but Randolph cannot get 19 rebounds let alone 9 offensive boards. Rashard has got to stop getting crushed on the boards.
J.J. aside, the bench sucked but they combined for only 16 FG attempts and hit only 2 less than Rashard who took the same amount of shots as the entire Magic bench less J.J. 12-31 combined for VC & Rashard. They took 40% of Orlando’s shots and hit only 39% of them. They shot Orlando out of the game and Rashard let Randolph get 19 rebounds including 9 offensive.
*shrugs*
Each of the All-Stars, aside from Howard lately, have been underperforming. That isn’t new. All that people can hope for is that each player gets steadily better as the season progresses. Have to wait and see.
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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
That's true
We’re 3-1 to start the second half and the offense has gone through Dwight more. 22/15.3/2.3/3.8 for Dwight to start the second half of the season. 4.6/2/1.1/1.2 above his first half stats. He’s only getting 2 more shots per game but avg 4.6 more points. FG% dropped 3 to 57% and FT% ballooned to 75. Ast 1.3 & TO 5.3. Close to the same Ast to but TO went up 1.7. Tiny sample size but still against good teams.
Are we running the offense thru Dwight enough or is the 4.6 points more a product of his increased FT attempts and increased FT%?
All of this blaming...
is simply symptomatic of our culture at large. It is a LONG season. I have said it since Oct, better to be very good in May and June than now. Relax, have a tequila, and stop blaming. You were ready to build a statue to SVG last year. It’s going to be alright. Saints lost 3 in a row (including one to the Bucs) and everybody said no way. Give it some time, men (and women)!
Exactly.
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I hear you
Still, we were blowing a lot of teams out last season and rarely doing it this season. I think we were 7-4 vs LA, Cavs, Boston & Denver. We’re 1-4 this season and some of those were meltdowns. 27 first half points against Boston, Dwight getting whistled twice in 3 mins vs Cavs, LA reminding us of the matchup at PF & the paint by shooting over 60% to build a 13 point 1st quarter lead and turning it over once or twice to the Magic’s 6 TO’s. We recovered really well in some of those games but still a reminder of their inconsitencies, matchups and much worse record. Now there’s 2 new starters and 2 of the All Stars from last season are underperforming in my opinion so I do think some criticism is warranted because we’ve seen how good these players can be. We can get a lot better and we’re on the right path with going through Dwight for the offense but they’re still not getting him enough touches and the TO’s have been a problem for much of the season. We were giving up only around 12 per game early this season and we have to get back to the 12-14 range.
I didn't realize that
It’s a good sign especially considering a lot peoples numbers are down from last year.
It's not going to happen overnight.
And by it, I mean a sudden transformation of a team that’s still trying to get to know each other on the court.
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I agree...
It seems we get up by 14, or 16, but can never bust it open. We always seem one big shot away.I remember when we had Shaq, someone said-“One of the hardest things to do is to get a killer instinct instilled in a big man-his whole life he has had to play a bit softer so as not to kill someone.” I don’t remember who said it but it stuck in my mind.

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