Orlando Magic News for January 21st: Rumors of Vince Carter's Availability Persist, Jameer Nelson Rests His Knee, Magic Fix Ideas, and More
- NBA trade season: 10 names for whom the trade buzz is getting louder
ESPN Insider Chad Ford echoes comments he made in a chat earlier this week when he writes that the Magic have put Vince Carter on the trading block, although "there's not a huge market" for him. Ford reports "there have been rumblings" that Orlando would be amenable to trading Carter to Houston for Tracy McGrady. What makes this development particularly juicy is that Tim Povtak reported, mere hours before Orlando traded for Carter this summer, that GM Otis Smith had narrowed his search for a scoring/playmaking wing to Carter and McGrady, which indicates a history of Smith's interest in McGrady.
- Jameer Nelson sits out Orlando Magic practice for routine rest
Josh Robbins reports that Jameer Nelson missed practice today to rest his surgically repaired left knee. Nelson will play tomorrow night against Sacramento. Said Nelson, "It was just a routine day off. Nothing to worry about."
- Thunder, Grizzlies, Hawks get high marks in NBA midseason grades
Britt Robson of Sports Illustrated grades the Magic's season a "C-" so far. He points out that the Magic's worst shooters get a lion's share of field goal attempts, which partially explains their underwhelming offense.
[E]ven with all his free-throw misses, [Dwight] Howard owns the team's top true shooting percentage (which factors in the value of three-pointers and free throws), yet is getting three fewer shots per game than last year. Meanwhile, the team's two worst performers in TS%, Vince Carter and Jameer Nelson, are first and third on the team in shots per minute, respectively.
- Fixing what is actually wrong with the Orlando Magic
Khandor has a thoughtful, detailed explanation of how he'd fix the Magic. Here's how he'd change the rotation: Matt Barnes and Jason Williams move to the bench, Rashard Lewis shifts from power forward to small forward, Ryan Anderson starts at power forward, Brandon Bass becomes the backup power forward, and Anthony Johnson becomes the backup point guard.
As always, make the jump for more news.
- Cartoonist puts Vince Carter shooting slump on ink and paper
Click through for a look at Dana Summers' cartoon about Vince Carter's season-long slump, which will run in tomorrow's Orlando Sentinel.
- BREAKING: Vince Carter Still Comes Off As A Jerkbag
Believe it or not, there's yet another link portraying Carter in a negative light. Matt Moore of Hardwood Paroxysm takes issue with the way Carter responded to a question about his willingness to participate in the Slam Dunk Contest if the proceeds went to earthquake-relief efforts in Haiti, as proposed by Shaquille O'Neal.
- Orlando Magic jump on Indiana Pacers 109-98
Zach McCann urges Magic fans upset that Orlando let Indiana back into last night's game to keep perspective.
Some Magic fans are perturbed that Orlando allowed Indiana to come back and make a game of it — to which I say, are you crazy? When your team has dropped seven of 10 including losses to Washington, Toronto and Indiana, you take a fast start and a comfortable victory with a smile and a pepsi.
- NBA Talking Points: Where Posey Is The Prototype
Andrew Sharp of SB Nation argues that each team needs to support its superstar with a network of role-players, with New Orleans' James Posey being the ideal model.
Every good team has a superstar. But guys like Posey, Roger Mason in San Antonio, Mikael [sic] Pietrus in Orlando, and a handful of other indispensable role players are what sets the great teams apart from the good teams.
- After Kobe vs. LeBron: The NBA’s 5 best 1-on-1 matchups
Dime Magazine takes a look at the top head-to-head battles in the NBA.
5. Dwight Howard vs. Chris Bosh
Their coaches would prefer Dwight and Bosh not guard each other, but the truth is, nobody on either supporting cast is able to physically matchup with said superstar. For his career, Bosh averages 23 points and 10 boards against Orlando (higher than his overall career numbers), while Dwight has been good for 20 and 11 per against Toronto. Bosh has one 35-and-16 stat line on the books against Dwight earlier this season, while Dwight dropped 39 points on Bosh one time last season. The contrast in styles is what makes this matchup interesting: Bosh can operate on the perimeter or with quick, crafty moves on the block, while Dwight is straight power, a dunk waiting to happen. - Kobe Bryant leads MVP race at midpoint of NBA season
Ian Thomsen of Sports Illustrated chooses, in his eyes, the Defensive Player of the Year at the midway point in the regular season.
The Magic aren't quite as strong defensively as last year, when Howard won this award, but he is positioned to repeat by leading the league in shot-blocking (2.4 per game) and rebounding (13.0).
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mcgrady won't fit the magic offense any better than carter.
that trade seems silly.
i hope jameer is skipping practice because he’s smart and not because his knee is really killing him.
by mental magic on Jan 21, 2010 10:33 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
please bring MCGRADY back home Otis!!!!
he’s the missing piece as long as he’s healthy. Point forward like Hedo at 6-8.
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by magic12ball on Jan 21, 2010 10:42 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Missing piece?
I’d say at the very least that there’s no supporting evidence for that at this point in his career. It’s more realistic that he would be a very large expiring contract. Don’t know why Houston does it though.
by slickw143 on Jan 21, 2010 11:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
To get interior size.
Gortat, Bass, Vince for T-Mac, Dorsey, and Hayes works. Would you do it?
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by magicfaninTN on Jan 21, 2010 11:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think Morey would give up Hayes, whose defense his metrics rates very highly
But then again, he’s a 6’06" center who can’t dunk in an empty gym. For the right package, he’s probably available.
by Ben Q Rock on Jan 21, 2010 11:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No.
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by erivera7 on Jan 22, 2010 1:08 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No indeed.
Why give up both Bass and Gortat? Just no.
by fwedo on Jan 22, 2010 12:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Trade deadline talk is always hilarious.
Not only does McGrady for Carter seem like a lateral trade, but you’re trading a guy who is sorta injury prone for someone who is extremely injury prone. I just don’t see that working. Also, Vince strikes me as a guy who would be easier to deal with in the locker room and more willing to work with Stan.
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by cgsimone on Jan 21, 2010 10:42 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
VC is a career "loser" lets be honest
Mac just needs a real team around him and a C that is healthy.
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by magic12ball on Jan 21, 2010 10:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
VC has taken his team past the 1st round, unlike T-crack
Never trust a fart
by AB's triple double on Jan 21, 2010 10:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You can't quantify someone that is a loser.
No, losses don’t count because that’s a team statistic, not an individual one.
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by erivera7 on Jan 22, 2010 1:14 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
In the injury department, I think I'd feel more comfortable with T-Mac right now.
He’s rested up for a year, trained with MJ’s guy and gottent the thumbs up. Meanwhile, Vince has spent the past 3 months acting like he plays for the Celtics.
by CaliFlorida on Jan 21, 2010 11:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Celtics....
lol
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by magicfaninTN on Jan 21, 2010 11:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Read my response below.
I think you’re missing the grand scheme of things.
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by erivera7 on Jan 22, 2010 1:09 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So, that cartoon
made me chuckle.
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by Some other guy who does not care on Jan 21, 2010 11:12 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
No one knows what McGrady's level is anymore.
The guy hasn’t truly played in months (a year maybe?), no one knows what his game is like these days, if he is truly healthy, how long will it take for him to injure again.
At least Carter had a resonably good season in New Jersey before coming to the Magic.
I used to be a huge fan of T-Mac during his time in Orlando, but now, too many years have gone by…
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by North of the South on Jan 21, 2010 11:14 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Gotta think T-Mac's game can't be any worse than 38% from the field, 30% from long range.
How could it? My thinking is that Otis does the trade in a second just to cut his losses with Vince and get out from year 2 of the contract. But Vince’s second year is why it probably won’t happen.
by CaliFlorida on Jan 21, 2010 11:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That, and Carter's value isn't very high right now.
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by erivera7 on Jan 22, 2010 1:09 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well
McGrady shot 38.8% from the field last season…OK, his 3PT% was 37.6%, but he’s only a career 33.9% shooter…and that was back when he was healthy.
In short, what I’m saying is…are you sure McGrady can’t be worse? Because I’m not, and he’s a moany headcase locker room cancer to boot.
by eltharion_doa on Jan 23, 2010 1:39 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think the thinking behind trading for McGrady is that his deal expires at the end of the year.
So they wouldn’t have to pay Carter $18 million next season and $19 million the year after that (minimum: $4 million buyout)
by Ben Q Rock on Jan 21, 2010 11:22 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I agree..
don’t you think trading for McGrady means you are basically tanking this season?
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by Wmillion on Jan 21, 2010 11:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, that's what it would mean to this fan.
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by North of the South on Jan 21, 2010 11:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I dunno about tanking. It's a lateral move, but one that gives you more flexibility down the line.
by Ben Q Rock on Jan 21, 2010 11:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
NO WAY
T-mac is recovering from knee surgery. The recovery is typically 2 years. Trade for t-mac and that is tanking the season. Might be best long term move, but not for this season.
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by Wmillion on Jan 22, 2010 12:57 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
You do know you're allowed to make more than one trade.
Otis could potentially make an additional move, in theory.
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by erivera7 on Jan 22, 2010 1:11 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
get tmac
maybe we could get johnson this summer
in OTIS we TRUST...
by Hbkid on Jan 22, 2010 3:52 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Johnson is a potential target.
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by erivera7 on Jan 22, 2010 4:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
in theory
I just don’t see it. If they could get more for TMac they would.You don’t trade for VC if Tmac has value..
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by Wmillion on Jan 22, 2010 11:10 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Which is why I don't see this trade happening at all.
Because T-Mac does have more value than VC at this point. The expiring contract alone is worth more than what Vince brings to the table currently. The Magic, if they were insistent on making this happen, would have to sweeten it considerably to get the Rockets to take on Vince’s contract. Or maybe the Rockets are looking towards 2011 (I think CP3 is a FA then?).
by slickw143 on Jan 22, 2010 11:50 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That's why I already said that Morey isn't an idiot.
And that Smith knows that Carter doesn’t have much value, at this point.
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by erivera7 on Jan 22, 2010 4:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yea that makes the most sense...
Plus it’s not like it can get much worse than it is right now.
by GoMagicGo on Jan 21, 2010 11:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, my thoughts exactly.
If Vince doesn’t improve (which there is still a decent chance that happens), then I’d almost rather have someone not playing than messing up the flow of the offense to such a degree.
by slickw143 on Jan 22, 2010 9:38 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That blog post by Khandor is somewhat laughable.
While Jason Williams’ play has been inconsistent at best. His highest highs are measurably better than what AJ has given us. Williams typically plays poorly on the second night of back-to-backs, where Stan might consider giving AJ some playing time (I think he has played decently well when given consistent minutes).
But the assertion that we should remove Matt Barnes from the lineup is really absurd. He was playing the best/most consistent basketball out of anyone on the team during our losing streak.
Moving Rashard to the small forward is something that absolutely cannot happen. Our defensive efficiency would plummet. He is not anywhere near quick enough to defend a small forward. And on top of that, Ryan Anderson is not smart enough in our defensive system enough to defend Power Forwards. Bass has shown his problems adjusting to our defensive system as well, even in his limited playing time.
by MagicMark on Jan 21, 2010 11:25 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I completely agree
I didn’t even finish reading the post. The “real problems” are very laughable. Barnes is by far the hardest most energetic person among the starters. And Jwill has sooo much more energy than AJ. Even tho they are the same age, it would ignorant to say that they play at the same level. I don’t even know how this person could honestly think that these are the true problems with the magic right now.
by GoMagicGo on Jan 21, 2010 11:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Should I know who Khandor is?
He sort of seems like he’s foreign or on drugs. That said, I wouldn’t mind seeing SVG experiment. Get Ryan Anderson some more minutes, just to see what happens. I don’t see Rashard might suck on defense if he plays alongside Anderson as a reason not to when Rashard sucks on defense right now as it is.
by CaliFlorida on Jan 22, 2010 12:00 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, defensive statistics have shown Anderson to be a better defender than Lewis this year.
The sample size is small, sure, but I don’t think it’s accurate to say that Ryan isn’t “smart enough” to play in the defensive system. If anything, that should be said about Bass, given his struggles on defense this year.
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by erivera7 on Jan 22, 2010 1:17 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
that was probably one of the most unthoughtful posts on here i have ever read
Barnes has been the only one out there other than d12 acting like a leader, and we need him to lead this guys with his energy
by Vanek on Jan 22, 2010 6:47 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i think u misread
he said bass not barnes
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by Hbkid on Jan 22, 2010 8:28 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No, khandor suggested benching Barnes. That's nuts.
Moving him around with a different unit, maybe. But cutting out his playing time? Barnes>Carter right now.
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by magicfaninTN on Jan 22, 2010 12:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, I just said Barnes > Carter
And think that’s completely supportable. Sad.
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by magicfaninTN on Jan 22, 2010 12:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sad, indeed.
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by erivera7 on Jan 22, 2010 4:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow Vince
" Vince Carter was shaking his head "no," before the question was even finished.Returning to the NBA Slam Dunk contest — even in the name of raising funds for charity — at the urging of Shaquille O’Neal was not something he would consider.
"No. Dwight Howard can do it," Carter said after Wednesday morning’s practice. "Nobody should feel obligated to do anything they don’t want to do."
In other news, Rape is still illegal.
Way to be a turd
"Memphis then used a pick-and-roll to get Conley free and he drove past Shaquille O'Neal for the go-ahead layup."
by BS Patrol on Jan 21, 2010 11:29 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
If he doesn't want to compete in something he shouldn't get grief for it.
It was just Shaq grandstanding again. He knew something like that would never happen. Kobe said he wouldn’t participate either. Why don’t you go give Kobe some crap for it. I believe it was in an interview that Dwight said participating in the dunk contest is pretty taxing on the body, especially the preparation. Lots of jumping/pounding. Vince is not 100% healthy and competing in such an event would only make his recovery period longer.
I’m not trying to sound harsh, because the idea was to donate to the relief effort for Haiti, but there are other ways that the players and league can/have helped with that situation.
by MagicMark on Jan 21, 2010 11:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Kobe was a bit more diplomatic
Bryant won the dunking crown when he was a rookie. He says players should not feel a responsibility toward entering the contest as a way of giving back to the league. James has been criticized for backing out. Bryant would like to see the MVP take part.
“Responsibility? No,” Bryant said following the Lakers’ shootaround. “People want to see it, so it’s good to do it at least one time in your career. It’s fun.”
by Ben Q Rock on Jan 21, 2010 11:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah but Vince won a dunk contest earlier in his career anyways.
by MagicMark on Jan 21, 2010 11:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So did Kobe.
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by erivera7 on Jan 22, 2010 1:15 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If you saw him say it he shrugged it off the same way...
The real "Masters of Panic" are commenting on this blog.
by ben_gleicher on Jan 21, 2010 11:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Here is diplomacy
“Bryant nearly burst out laughing Thursday when asked about O’Neal’s idea that the Lakers superstar should appear in next month’s All-Star weekend dunk event with LeBron James and Vince Carter.”
by NC Magic Fan on Jan 22, 2010 9:25 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
OF COURSE Kobe handled it brilliantly.
Kinda says a lot about their careers…
by fwedo on Jan 22, 2010 12:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I have nothing against Shaq because it's shameful the way he tried to divert publicity towards him.
In wake of a tragedy in Haiti. If you’re going to help, say nothing, and do it. Don’t make a big scene.
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by erivera7 on Jan 22, 2010 1:13 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
but*
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by erivera7 on Jan 22, 2010 1:13 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Shaq a jerk?
Shocking.
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by pookeyguru on Jan 22, 2010 3:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I know.
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by erivera7 on Jan 22, 2010 9:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He's an ass
That’s all
"Memphis then used a pick-and-roll to get Conley free and he drove past Shaquille O'Neal for the go-ahead layup."
by BS Patrol on Jan 22, 2010 4:05 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I am just saying this is my opinion
I had none either way before.
"Memphis then used a pick-and-roll to get Conley free and he drove past Shaquille O'Neal for the go-ahead layup."
by BS Patrol on Jan 22, 2010 4:08 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He was probably irritated about fielding nonsense questions about Shaq's silly idea when he and his team are struggling.
by Ben Q Rock on Jan 21, 2010 11:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Are people seriously beating him up for this?
by CaliFlorida on Jan 21, 2010 11:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
why not it's the new hip thing to do
The real "Masters of Panic" are commenting on this blog.
by ben_gleicher on Jan 21, 2010 11:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Matt Moore--and this isn't me piling on him, because I like him a lot--has a thing against Vince Carter.
by Ben Q Rock on Jan 21, 2010 11:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He does, but he has written a post or two
about seeing the positives in his move here. He’s opened his eyes a lot more these past couple of seasons, but this slump just gives the nat. media too many excuses.
by fwedo on Jan 22, 2010 12:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Why would he compete? VC hasn’t displayed anything makes me want to see him compete. I wouldn’t want to see VC go out and disappoint.
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by Wmillion on Jan 22, 2010 1:01 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
I dont get what he did wrong? He shouldn’t do something he doesn’t want to do and is probably not good for his health and energy.
by derekk on Jan 22, 2010 5:16 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The responses here to the McGrady for Carter rumors have been hilarious.
Tracy has, roughly, a $23 million contract that would be off the books after the season is over, which would allow Smith the immediate ability to find a young, in-his-prime wing player that could potentially set the Orlando Magic’s future for years. This is all a moot point because Morey isn’t an idiot (neither is Otis; he understands Carter’s value is next to nothing right now) and wouldn’t do the deal in theory. Still, it’s interesting to think about.
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by erivera7 on Jan 22, 2010 1:06 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
i just wanna put this out here
suppose we add Gortat, Bass and AJ, couldnt we get several pieces in the off season as well?
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by magic12ball on Jan 22, 2010 1:19 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
During the off-season, sure.
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by erivera7 on Jan 22, 2010 1:39 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I actually like it on many levels, that and even the basketball level (I think having to hide a poor defender at SF is much easier than at SG, part of Magic’s struggles this year I think; TMac could still have something big left with those injury-riddled years taking out so much time of his). I like that he is healthy now, probably hungry, a reunion and the familiarity is always good too. Im just not sure why Morey would do it with some of the offers out there and the strategy Morey is using. I know the Rockets liked VC a year or two ago from an article, so if VC gets out of the slump and looks good again, maybe adding Gortat could be enough, but here’s what could be bad.
TMac is still more injury prone in the past than VC. VC is probably better still. TMac’s expired deal doesn’t give Magic the cap space so if they dont find a good trade somewhere, then they are stuck with TMac over VC; and the Magic get to shop VC similar to Tmac next year and be in better control of making a good deal happen.
by derekk on Jan 22, 2010 5:26 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Completely agree with Andrew Sharpe on role players being very important.
by derekk on Jan 22, 2010 5:27 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
And..
Can anyone notice how D12 dunk the ball and land on his left foot with the right leg way up waist high.. I say that’s dangerous. He could land on somebody’s foot and be the next Yao Ming. Hey E, can you go over the court and slap him on the back of his head. LOL.
by zakchi on Jan 22, 2010 7:34 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That wouldn't be a good trade.
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by erivera7 on Jan 22, 2010 4:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I totally agree with Ryan Anderson starting
The boy can score given the opportunity. Remember when Shard was out for 10 games? Not so sure about the McGrady trade. Not sure if that’s going to make any difference at all.
by jax502 on Jan 22, 2010 9:09 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
It would make a difference in the financial sense.
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by erivera7 on Jan 22, 2010 4:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Vince Carter vs. Tracy McGrady this season.
Let’s face it, Carter is just not working here as well as we all expected. Personally, I dont think he’s lived up to the least amount of expectations since he’s joined this particular magic team. When he’s on the floor (even when healthy) he’s just not the player he was last year. I know you can say, well he doesnt need to score and that he’s just looking to set his team mates up. While that’s cool and all, we need him to be a scorer for us just like Hedo was for us for the past 3 seasons. Hedo was our play maker and our 4th quarter go-to-guy.
Carter has yet to really impress me (not that Im anyone special). His defense is worse than I expected and his shot selection is poor to say the least. The worst part about his game so far is that I have yet to see him play the “point forward/maker” role for us. Without Hedo, we have no one to create that mismatch after the high screen and roll with Dwight and I also blame this lack of performance as Lewis’ reason for struggling as well. Carter should be a slasher like Hedo but he’s too small and he’s not a good enough passer to create the mismatches that we made with Hedo.
McGrady is coming off of his best off-season with the Rockets (although recovering from knee surgery). We have all seen the workouts in the summer with world renown Tim Grover of Chicago’s Attack Athletics (look him up). In the few minutes that he has played with HOU this season, he has showed signs of being the old T-Mac that was traded to HTown from Orlando in 2004. He plays better defense than Carter and can handle the ball better than most PGs in the NBA. On top of that, these days he’s not very selfish (on the court). He’s a willing and able passer and at 6-8, 6-9 he gives us the length that we had with Hedo.
While we don’t NEED him to score, he can, but I think he’s benefit us most with the high screen and roll. I think that IF HE CAN STAY HEALTHY, he can be the one to take us back deep into the playoffs. Lets face it, without Hedo, we’re obviously almost as conventional as most teams in the league and teams know how to play defense on the more conventional teams.
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by magic12ball on Jan 22, 2010 1:11 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Heres what I had in mind:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine
McGrady is being paid roughly about $22.8M just a little under a league high salary of $23M. Houston’s GM Morey is no idiot and he won’t let a valuable trade asset such as McGrady’s expiring contract go for nothing. So in order to get something, you have to give something. I think Gortat and Bass would do well for the Rockets because they’re lacking big men in the paint especially after Yao Ming has gone down for the season. I think they would be happy to acquire a young C and PF to complement PG Brooks, PF Landry and the younger Rockets as they look to rebuild, and since the trade involves on team from the EC and one from the WC, it wont hurt them as much if they let go of McGrady.
So with McGrady’s skill and hopefully health, we look okay after this trade. Jermaine Taylor is familiar with the Orlando area since he was UCFs man for the past several years. He’s a very energetic young SG prospect with the ability to score and play good defense at the 2 spot and possibly 1 guard if needed.
The thing now is that we have NO RELIABLE back up Center and that’s the reason why I think Otis will NOT execute a trade of this kind. As I scanned through the FA back-up C’s I just dont see any that are good enough to back us up when Dwight sits.
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by magic12ball on Jan 22, 2010 1:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
the trade was for
McGrady
Taylor
to Orlando
Bass
Gortat
Carter
to Houston
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by magic12ball on Jan 22, 2010 1:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
One that I had in mind was...
McGrady
Hayes
to Orlando
Carter
Gortat
AJ
to HOU
But the only reason Houston would do that trade is if they think that getting Gortat is worth the extra year of Carter. But Morey didn’t think Gortat was worth the mid-level over the summer so I don’t see him doing that one now.
Giving up Bass and Gortat is way too much for Orlando IMO.
by Colossus57 on Jan 22, 2010 3:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You don't know that Morey would not have given Gortat the MLE
Maybe Gortat signed an offer sheet with Dallas because he was looking at Dampier heading out and in Houston he was looking at one season until Yao returns and Gortat heads back to the bench. Maybe.
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by magicfaninTN on Jan 23, 2010 9:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Move VC to SF
A point was made earlier that it is easier to mask defensive deficiencies at SF rather than at SG. I couldn’t agree more. I’ve thought multiple times about our lineup last season, and how Hedo was able to pass off as a solid enough defender in our system at SF, while we had a defensive “ace” at SG with Lee. Why couldn’t we mimic that this season by starting VC at SF and moving Pietrus to SG (can’t see Barnes playing SG, as much as I like him starting). Even though that’s the lineup we started the season with, I’ve always thought that making the simple change of moving Pietrus to SG would pay off great dividends – we really miss having a solid perimeter defender to start games.
by real thrilla on Jan 22, 2010 1:59 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
SG v. SF is just semantics...
Its just about who is guarding who and whenever Barnes or Pietrus are on the floor they are always guarding the best scorer(SG/SF) on the other team. i.e. I don’t think Vince covered Kobe on Monday even though they were both SGs.
by Colossus57 on Jan 22, 2010 3:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Lee wasn't a defensive ace. He was nothing more than average, statistically, on defense.
Moving Carter to small forward would be a terrible idea because Barnes doesn’t deserve being put back on the bench (and the Magic would get worse, defensively), not with the way he’s been playing since he moved into the starting lineup. Pietrus does need to play the 2 more, but he can do that playing alongside Barnes (which he’s done the past few games). Switching Pietrus’ and Carter’s position wouldn’t really do anything.
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by erivera7 on Jan 22, 2010 4:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Can we trade....
Rashard?
Its depressing looking at our Salaries for the upcoming seasons and seeing him guaranteed at $66.5 million over the three seasons after this one…
by Colossus57 on Jan 22, 2010 4:15 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Everyone is quick to trade everyone.
Have patience.
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by erivera7 on Jan 22, 2010 4:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but Rashard actuallly does things.
Maybe not $66 million worth of things, but if the offense is flowing correctly, he’s a deadly outside shooter. It’s not his fault that we aren’t getting him his shots.
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by 3.3seconds on Jan 22, 2010 4:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He looked good against LA and Indy, thankfully.
He works well within the system. Definitely not $66 million worth, as you said, but he’s still a vital part of the team and knows the system well. He also needs to get posted up more when teams try to go small against us.
by slickw143 on Jan 22, 2010 5:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Lewis will always be overpaid, but he's proven his worth. Carter hasn't (not yet, at least).
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by erivera7 on Jan 22, 2010 5:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Also
Is there anyone out there who can do what Lewis does for us? Maybe Anderson in a couple years, but now? There’s no PF in the league who can shoot threes like that. I’m not sure there ever HAS been.
Whereas half the shooting guards in the NBA can do what Carter does, and better than Carter’s done it so far.
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by 3.3seconds on Jan 22, 2010 5:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Anderson, right now.
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by erivera7 on Jan 22, 2010 9:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well...
…Anderson right now can probably do what Rashard’s doing right now. I’m not convinced he can do what Shard did last year. Yet.
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by 3.3seconds on Jan 22, 2010 11:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That's true.
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by erivera7 on Jan 23, 2010 3:28 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

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