Orlando Magic News for January 19th: Sobering Assessments of Orlando's Season Abound at the Halfway Mark
- Orlando in a bad way
The Orlando Magic have reached the halfway point of their season well off last year's pace, which prompted Kelly Dwyer of Yahoo! Sports to write this piece about what ails the team. No one escapes blame here, not even coach Stan Van Gundy.
This is on the players. It's up to Vince [Carter] to play as he should. It's up to [Dwight] Howard to attack more often. And it's up to Dwight to remember that the only reason his Magic made it to 59 wins last year, and to the Finals, is because he had to play a near-perfect game defensively, covering for so, so much; never taking any plays off.
Anything short of that perfection and, well, you've seen the results. A team that hasn't won a thing, littered with players who haven't won jack, giving us the self-satisfied routine. Uh-oh.
I particularly enjoyed one of Dwyer's observations about one of Matt Barnes' habits.
- Chat: Chat with Chad Ford
In response to a Magic fan's chat-room question, ESPN.com's Chad Ford writes that the Magic will be active at the trading deadline and that Carter will likely be their trade bait.
They're looking at a lot of things right now. They aren't happy with how the team fits together and seem to be deeply regretting letting Hedo [Turkoglu] go. I think anyone, short of Dwight Howard, could be had for the right deal ... but yes, I think Carter will be the focal point.
- Orlando Opinionators – The Magic hit a tough spot
Prior to last night's game, the Orlando Sentinel published this editorial from Magic center Adonal Foyle regarding the team's recent swoon.
We have great players at all five positions, including an amazing big man in the middle, and yet our seeming insecurity begs the question what is going on with the Magic? I wish I had a simple answer for you, and could tell you that this is just a phase and we will be better soon. The one truth that I know is that the teams that we are playing right now play harder than us and although they are not better than us, they can certainly compete.
- Better Winning Through Chemistry
Kevin Arnovitz of Clipperblog and ESPN uses this year's Magic team as a test case: what is chemistry? After speaking with Ryan Anderson, Barnes, and Van Gundy prior to last night's loss to the L.A. Lakers, he reached an interesting conclusion.
- Impressive Victory For Lakers Or Not?
J.A. Adande of ESPN.com isn't sure what to think of the Lakers' win over the Magic last night because Orlando "isn't as good as its 26-14 record might indicate." He has some advice.
There was talk in the Magic locker room of finding encouraging signs in the loss, taking positives where they can. The team still needs to find itself. The Magic have more of a Vince Carter identity than a Dwight Howard identity, and if Carter is going to be in and out of the lineup and in and out of games with injuries, as he was with a hurt shoulder Monday night, they won't be consistent. And inconsistency is their greatest enemy right now.
- John Ireland: Lakers beat a declining Orlando Magic team
Last year's Magic team impressed John Ireland of ESPNLosAngeles.com. This year? Not so much.
[Replacing Turkoglu with Carter] is comparable to putting Shaq [O'Neal] on the Suns last year. He clogged up the space that all the rest of the Suns used to score all of those points. Carter, like Shaq was, is a square peg in a round hole.
Ireland believes the Cavaliers' acquisition of Shaq, and their consequent ability to defend Howard one-on-one, will prevent Orlando from making another run to the NBA Finals.
- Game Notes: Magic at Lakers
Sean Ceglinsky of SLAM ONLINE attended the Magic's game against L.A. last night. Here are his observations.
- Denton: Pietrus Confident Team Will Evolve
John Denton of OrlandoMagic.com spoke with Van Gundy and several of his players to get their thoughts on the first half of Orlando's season. Van Gundy wonders if the Magic might play better in the second half than in the first, in a reversal of last year's trend.
"Last year we were 33-8 at the halfway point, but at the same time we hadn’t had one injury and Courtney Lee was the only new guy we were inserting into what we were doing," Van Gundy remembered. "Now, it’s five new guys and a lot of injuries. We only won 26 games in the second half last year because we had some injuries. Now, we’ve gone through (the injuries) early and the comparisons to last year, they just don’t matchup.
Also click through to read the ever-quotable Mickael Pietrus.
- Magic shouldn't hop on Arenas crazy train
On a different note, George Diaz of the Orlando Sentinel spoke to Magic GM Otis Smith about the recent report that Smith might consider acquiring Gilbert Arenas, with whom he has a solid friendship, from the Washington Wizards.
I have a lot of love for Gilbert, but this is something I've not given a whole lot of thought to," Smith said Monday afternoon. "…I don't know where this is coming from. There is nothing in the works. No talk about it on this end or any other end."
- John Hollinger picks his 10 starters for the NBA All-Star Game
Despite a somewhat disappointing individual season, John Hollinger of ESPN Insider votes Dwight Howard as the Eastern Conference's starting center in the NBA All-Star game, because "90 percent of last season's Howard is still better than 100 percent of any other center this season."
- Worst NBA Contracts
Finally, Brian Spencer of Empty the Bench lists the eight NBA contracts "that are looking a little dubious at this point."
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Soooo who do you want to trade VC for?
Never trust a fart
by AB's triple double on Jan 19, 2010 6:15 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Perfect topic for an off-day open thread!
And a podcast segment, too.
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by erivera7 on Jan 19, 2010 6:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
heartbeat
But we would have to give up to much.
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by Wmillion on Jan 20, 2010 3:00 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Yea, I donno if he wants to leave tho. He has some mileage, but he’s still much more active and defensive than VC. Not as explosive or capable of scoring tho. I don’t know if Joe would create assists as well tho? Im starting to get skeptical of all these wing guys that average 5 assists and we think they would do the same or more in Orlando. They just have high usage rates and years of continuity/chemistry.
by derekk on Jan 20, 2010 6:12 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, you have to look at the usage rates to see how much the player uses possessions.
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by erivera7 on Jan 20, 2010 3:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yikes. Garbage out, garbage in.
Nobody is going to want Vince unless they unload their trash on the Magic. But I hope Otis surprises me.
"We'll figure it out. The sky's not falling." 'Has anybody ever won the championship in December?' ~Otis Smith
by magicfaninTN on Jan 19, 2010 8:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
true
At least C Lee isn’t blowing up.. 11.2 pts, 39% from the field, and 27% from 3..
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by Wmillion on Jan 19, 2010 9:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
he does play for a craptastic team, though
probably lowered his morale a little. Not an excuse, but still… CLee ;_;
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by TheGiantSquid on Jan 19, 2010 9:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He’s had his great games. And he’s defending good, but I don’t know what happened to his FG%..
by derekk on Jan 19, 2010 9:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
lack of confidence with a dash of sophomore year blues?
I'm a girl.
by TheGiantSquid on Jan 19, 2010 10:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
More like Lee is on a bad team and isn't getting the open looks he got last year.
Look at Anderson, the reverse (his numbers) has happened since he’s arrived to Orlando.
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by erivera7 on Jan 19, 2010 11:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
doesnt seem to be much of an offensive system going on there either.
by derekk on Jan 20, 2010 6:13 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No, not much.
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by erivera7 on Jan 20, 2010 3:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Seems like it would be a shock if someone did.
Good amount of money left and he looks like garbage. It’s almost like trade rumors for T-Mac last year — not really believable till it happens.
by CaliFlorida on Jan 19, 2010 9:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
All it takes is one GM.
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by erivera7 on Jan 19, 2010 11:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Unfortunately, Isiah Thomas isn't one of them
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by funny80sguy on Jan 20, 2010 10:31 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL.
Optimist "Has anybody ever won the championship in December?' ~Otis Smith
Pessimist "A team that hasn't won a thing, littered with players who haven't won jack, giving us the self-satisfied routine. Uh-oh." ~Kelly Dwyer
Realist: "To me, call it what you want, it doesn’t matter. We’re just not playing well." ~Stan Van Gundy
by magicfaninTN on Jan 20, 2010 11:33 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Unfortunately, no.
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by erivera7 on Jan 20, 2010 3:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not ready to give up on Carter 'til I see him play healthy.
That said, he must not play until he is back to 100% condition.
If Lewis and Nelson can play from here onwards like they did last night, this team will recover.
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by North of the South on Jan 19, 2010 7:10 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Yea, I agree on all accounts. Something is bothering Carter and he should be dealing with it than forcing the play. I don’t know if Jameer is getting better or not healthwise, but if he is improving, he should still be out there then.
by derekk on Jan 19, 2010 8:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He can play less and coast if he wants in my mind, but why does he have to insist on taking 4 threes a game from 4 steps behind the line.
Why isn’t that the first rule SVG lays out – if Vince takes another absurd three, Dwight will slyly elbow him in whatever body part is most aching in that days injury report.
by CaliFlorida on Jan 19, 2010 9:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It wouldn't take an elbow.
Just poke the dude and he falls to the floor, writhing in pain.
by slickw143 on Jan 20, 2010 9:36 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Trade whoever it takes to get Dwayne Wade
I would be willing to see almost anyone be traded away to get Dwayne Wade, of course the exception being Dwight. It would be preferable that the package includes Carter and/or Nelson.
by GoMagicGo on Jan 19, 2010 7:34 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I can't imagine Miami conceding the Southeast DIvision for the next decade like that.
by Ben Q Rock on Jan 19, 2010 7:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, that won't happen.
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by erivera7 on Jan 19, 2010 11:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Elite defender, borderline All-Star talent at his best, etc.
Still, Iguodala has flaws in his skill-set that would make it tough for him to mesh with the Magic smoothly.
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by erivera7 on Jan 19, 2010 11:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He has become more of a playmaker this year with Miller gone
Averaging like 5 assists as their “point forward”. He’d pretty much be everything we expected from Vince, but swapping the 3’s for youth.
by bandrewg08 on Jan 20, 2010 12:41 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm picky when it comes to fit, but I wouldn't mind acquiring Iguodala for his defense.
Something has to improve, whether it’s the offense or the defense, and Iggy’s defense would certainly improve the Magic’s defensive efficiency. If you were to pair an elite wing defender like Iguodala with Howard, Orlando could potentially carry the best defense in the NBA.
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by erivera7 on Jan 20, 2010 2:27 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It would be interesting, but he's getting overpaid.
You can say that about a lot of players on the Magic though. Would Philly trade Iguodala for anything short of young talent and expirings for THIS year? I doubt it. Nice to dream though.
by slickw143 on Jan 20, 2010 9:38 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Depends on what the Sixers want.
Still, the fact Iguodala IS overpaid plays into Orlando’s hand in a possible trade because it makes it easier to acquire him. Especially if the Magic plan on moving Carter by the deadline.
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by erivera7 on Jan 20, 2010 3:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
True. I don't know what expiring contracts we have though.
Or young, cheap talent besides Ryan, and I don’t want to give him up. I keep hearing that Philly is trying to package Iggy in with Dalembert, and that would be a problem for us (and Dwight) hah.
by slickw143 on Jan 20, 2010 5:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Dwyer's quote is money.
A team that hasn’t won a thing, littered with players who haven’t won jack, giving us the self-satisfied routine. Uh-oh.
That’s going in the sig.
Glass half-full: "We'll figure it out. The sky's not falling." 'Has anybody ever won the championship in December?' ~Otis Smith
Glass half-empty: "A team that hasn't won a thing, littered with players who haven't won jack, giving us the self-satisfied routine. Uh-oh." ~Kelly Dwyer
by magicfaninTN on Jan 19, 2010 8:22 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
But I DON'T agree with Chad Ford
and seem to be deeply regretting letting Hedo [Turkoglu] go
That is just a one-year outlook.
Glass half-full: "We'll figure it out. The sky's not falling." 'Has anybody ever won the championship in December?' ~Otis Smith
Glass half-empty: "A team that hasn't won a thing, littered with players who haven't won jack, giving us the self-satisfied routine. Uh-oh." ~Kelly Dwyer
by magicfaninTN on Jan 19, 2010 8:28 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I think "deeply regretting" is a bit too powerful of a statement to make.
Otis made the right move in letting Hedo go because the Magic’s financial future would have been screwed.
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by erivera7 on Jan 19, 2010 11:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Otis concerned about the Magic financial future?
Otis gave Rashard that albatros of a contract. He went for the fences and missed. He just liked VC’s game a little better than Hedo.
Now it is blowing up on his face. Otis, good luck finding takers for VC.
by Beankounter on Jan 20, 2010 12:35 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Lewis' contract doesn't run as long as Turkoglu's contract would have potentially ran for.
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by erivera7 on Jan 20, 2010 2:24 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
See, people learn from their mistakes.
Optimist "Has anybody ever won the championship in December?' ~Otis Smith
Pessimist "A team that hasn't won a thing, littered with players who haven't won jack, giving us the self-satisfied routine. Uh-oh." ~Kelly Dwyer
Realist: "To me, call it what you want, it doesn’t matter. We’re just not playing well." ~Stan Van Gundy
by magicfaninTN on Jan 20, 2010 10:27 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Which one?
1. Giving Shard a SIX year contract for > $100M biding against himself.
2. Trading for a wash out VC
3. Drafting F. Vazquez
4. Extending Jameer and paying him starter money
5. Trading Darko for a 1st round pick (Stuckey anyone) and then letting go for nothing.
6. Signing or going after former Warriors players, Magic /GS East?
by Beankounter on Jan 20, 2010 1:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
1-Bad contract, but not a bad player. Helped us get to the Finals
2-TBD- Best deal available-Ryan Anderson is a major plus
3-:(
4-Meer is a middle of the road PG starter, getting Middle of the road Money- Has All-Star Upside
5-Not the best move-I wonder if Det wishes they would have selected Carmelo Bosh or Wade??
6-For the price-Barnes and Pietrus are good signings.
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by Wmillion on Jan 20, 2010 2:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, Barnes and Pietrus are hardly the problem with the team.
And this time last year, Otis was getting praised to the high heavens for the contract Jameer signed.
Fran Vazquez and Darko, can’t really debate that. Although, to be fair, Darko was decent as Dwight’s back-up. Trading a 1st rounder as a flier on a guy with a lot of talent and no PT, meh.
by slickw143 on Jan 20, 2010 3:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Otis has done more good than bad with the Magic.
- Lewis proved his worth in the playoffs last year.
- No one expected Carter to be playing the way he’s been playing. That’s impossible to foresee, I don’t care how good of a general manager you are. They’re not psychics.
- That was a legitimate mistake and Otis owned up to it.
- Last year that contract became a bargain when Nelson was an All-Star.
- Rodney Stuckey is overrated.
- Pietrus has helped the team, as has Barnes.
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by erivera7 on Jan 20, 2010 3:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i really like iguadala he’s a athletic swingman who plays good defense and takes it hard to the rim if we can trade for him and Speights that would be awesome
by doublettoluca on Jan 19, 2010 8:35 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Probably won't happen.
Even then, Iguodala wouldn’t be a perfect fit for the Magic (inefficient, can’t shoot the three very well, etc).
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by erivera7 on Jan 19, 2010 11:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
At least can make it tough on Paul pierce, lbj, Joe Johnson, and Kobe.
He gave us fits last yr in the playoffs without shooting the 3 well. I love his energy
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by Wmillion on Jan 20, 2010 2:58 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Caron Butler?
My cousin and I were discussing possible replacements and his name came up, because of the rumors of a potential Hedo-Butler swap before last year’s deadline. I heard it while listening to ESPN radio the hour before the deadline and the Alston deal, don’t know if it was mentioned here.
Anyways, not really familiar with his game, except that he’s not a great 3pt shooter, but he plays great defense. What are you guys’ take on his game and how he’d fit in?
by bandrewg08 on Jan 20, 2010 12:45 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
It'd be like Iguodala, in that he'd provide great defense but he wouldn't be a perfect fit.
When he’s on his game, though, he’s an All-Star caliber player.
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by erivera7 on Jan 20, 2010 2:25 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’d prefer AI9 for sure.
Wouldn’t mind AI9 at all. Less bombs away, more attacking the basket. Still plenty of 3 pt shooting.
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by Wmillion on Jan 20, 2010 2:53 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
I think what Orl wants is to have 4 3pt threats on the floor with Dwight or Gortat the whole time and Caron doesn’t fit that well in that aspect or the low Ast & high TO rate. Because of those things I don’t think he fits for Orl offensively.
The Magic are most lethal with a 4 that is a 3pt threat, good off/def rebounding, quick/strong in the post & a good defender. Ryan Anderson fits more of the criteria than Rashard this season so maybe give him more minutes when Rashard is underperforming. It’s entirely up to SVG to make adjustments quickly, not like in LA with a 21-0 run or whatever it was. If Rashard’s #‘s are down because teams scouted him then it’s up to him to make the needed adjustments to be productive. Same thing goes for everyone but much more so for the stars because their #’s are so heavily needed.
The season is still young and we’ve seen how good Orl can be when VC is healthy and everyone is performing up to par. For those reasons I don’t put much into current rankings (unless current rankings have Orl at 5) because Orl has 4 All-Stars and one of the best benches. VC fits the team extremely well at his best but it’s up to Vince to adjust to the great talent he has around him as they have adjusted very well to him by getting him wide open looks and textbook screens from Dwight. When Vince is healthy and at his best we get the 27 pt on 13 FG attempts with 7 Ast, 1 TO, 2 Stl & a Blk.
The title is decided later so for right now VC should be sat and healed to 100% health. Orl has to have VC healthy to compete with the Celts, Cavs, LA & Denver.
by Warlando on Jan 20, 2010 3:45 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
yea, i think its time to rest carter for a week or two. and dwight needs the ball more, so having 3pnt shooters around him is a great compliment.
by derekk on Jan 20, 2010 6:16 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
At some point, the Magic have to make a decision with regards to Carter's role with the team.
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by erivera7 on Jan 20, 2010 3:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
the magic look nothing close to title contenders so hopefully they turn it around soon before its too late.
by derekk on Jan 20, 2010 6:17 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
problem with trading VC
is that he is not yet an expiring contract. more like a soon-to-be-expiring contract.
either way, i would love for the magic to try and acquire caron butler. player who doesn’t need the ball in his hands all the time, can shoot, get to the line, and defend. and he plays his heart out.
and am i the only one who sees what looks like ryan anderson being a better player than rashard? better low post moves (when he gets the chance), rebounds way better. magic need to lock him up long term ASAP to replace rashard.
by coque429 on Jan 20, 2010 2:24 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Caron is also having his worst season.
And some have said he looks soft and out of shape…..like Carter.
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Pessimist "A team that hasn't won a thing, littered with players who haven't won jack, giving us the self-satisfied routine. Uh-oh." ~Kelly Dwyer
Realist: "To me, call it what you want, it doesn’t matter. We’re just not playing well." ~Stan Van Gundy
by magicfaninTN on Jan 20, 2010 2:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Anderson, statistically at least, has been out-performing Lewis this year.
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by erivera7 on Jan 20, 2010 3:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

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