Discussing the Sacramento Kings with Tom Ziller of Sactown Royalty
Whether it's covering the NBA at FanHouse or the Sacramento Kings at Sactown Royalty, Tom Ziller is one of the finest writers in the blogosphere (and infamous for his work with graphs, which is a skill of his). If you haven't made Ziller a must-read, do so now. You won't regret it.
A few days ago, I was able to ask Ziller a few questions to preview tonight's game between the Orlando Magic and the Kings.
What's life with Tyreke Evans been like? Please, indulge yourself if need be. Additionally, what does he mean to the franchise right now?
Life with Tyreke has been really, really different. At no point in the Sacramento era have the Kings had this sort of singular talent. The lean years were hosted by All-Stars at best (Mitch Richmond), and the glory era to start this decade featured a balanced roster, with Chris Webber the biggest name but certainly not considered a "franchise player" in his late 20s. Now, we have a franchise player. And he's 20 years old. It's unreal. He's already won our hearts and minds, and while we're still getting used to what this means for how the team is perceived and covered, what it means for our favorite incumbents and more, it's a fantastic change.
What has spurred Beno Udrih's career-year/resurrection this season?
Beno has credited the coaching staff with resuscitating his career, but that's a bit suspect considering how Udrih thrived under Reggie Theus in 2007-08 but regressed in Reggie's two months at the helm in 2008-09. To almost every fan, it's been a reversal of effort. Beno didn't play a lick of defense last season. This year, he's blocking Chauncey Billups jumpers! Either Paul Westphal has figured out how to motivate Beno perfectly, or Udrih himself did some soul-searching this summer and realized loafing through a five-year contract was no way to live.
This is Paul Westphal's first year as the head coach of the Sacramento Kings. What type of impact has he been able to make with the team?
With such a new roster, it's hard to tell where Westphal's impact stops and the news players' impact begins. But I think it's safe to say he's been a huge part of the team's rebirth. He isn't afraid to play anyone at any time. He has rotated Spencer Hawes between the bench and starting five, he's found a way to get production out of three rookies and two second-year players. He even admits when he's wrong -- in preseason, he called Omri Casspi a project. Omri is now (apparently) the permanent starter at small forward. The team defense still leaves plenty to be desired, but personnel has plenty to do with that, too. The coaching staff has been a plus for the first time since Rick Adelman left.
Kevin Martin, according to the Sacramento Bee, feels "ready to play" as of January 6th. When he returns, how will that impact the starting lineup (namely Evans)?
Martin should be a huge boon for Evans in two ways: Martin can shoot, which will relieve the paint clogging teams have turned to in order to slow Evans, and Martin can shoot, which will actually help Evans build his assist numbers. Currently, if Casspi is off and Jason Thompson isn't finishing, Evans can have a 4-assist game in which he dished out 15 potential assists. (Saturday's game against Denver is a perfect example.) Evans is only now beginning to work out a rapport with Hawes, but Reke's best chance at an assist most plays is the draw-and-kick. Martin shot better than 40 percent from three last season. It's a good match. (Never mind that in the instances Westphal has started an Evans-Udrih backcourt the defenses have gotten off the hook by guarding Evans with a two-guard and hiding the smaller PG on Udrih. Trying hiding, say, Derek Fisher on the 6'7 Martin.)
I like to thank Tom for taking the time to answer my questions.
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Wow... these guys really have a high opinion of Tyreke Evans.
Am I missing something, or are the Kings overestimating their guy? Because he doesn’t look like a superstar in the making to me. A good player, certainly — kind of a poor man’s Brandon Roy, or a larger Derrick Rose. (Keeping in mind that I’m not so high on Derrick Rose, and while I like Roy, I don’t think he’s a top-10 guy in the NBA. Top 15, maybe.) Certainly not a guy who’s likely to be markedly better than Mitch Richmond or Chris Webber — both of whom were pretty good players — though I suppose anything’s possible.
I mean, granted, he is young. And his style of play does touch a couple of my personal biases: he’s a 6’6" “point guard”, and he can’t shoot the 3. So am I underestimating Evans? What’s up?
It's a good thing Larry Bird's initials weren't MJ. '80s basketball was confusing enough -- Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan, Marles Jarkley, Mominique Jilkins... Makeem Jolajuwon...
by 3.3seconds on Jan 12, 2010 3:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
You're underestimating him, I would have to say.
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by erivera7 on Jan 12, 2010 3:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Okay, so what am I missing?
It seems to me a guard can’t be a dominant offensive force in the modern NBA without a three-point shot. And sure, Evans can probably cobble together a 32% three or something along those lines, but that’s not what I mean.
Meanwhile, he’s a 6 assist/3 turnover guy. Those are Steve Francis numbers. I feel pretty confident that he’s never going to emerge as a great point guard or anything — passable, maybe even good someday, but not great.
Yeah, his aggregate stats are nice — especially before you consider that he’s basically the only guy on a fast-paced team with a good coach. (At least until Martin comes back.) But there are a lot of pretty major weaknesses underlying those stats.
It's a good thing Larry Bird's initials weren't MJ. '80s basketball was confusing enough -- Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan, Marles Jarkley, Mominique Jilkins... Makeem Jolajuwon...
by 3.3seconds on Jan 12, 2010 3:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't followed Evans' progress, but it seems like he's more of a scoring guard...
So the assist to turnover ratio RIGHT NOW isn’t that much important.
by Raptorel on Jan 12, 2010 4:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
All I'm saying is, it seems unlikely to me that Evans can be a dominant scorer in the NBA.
So if he’s going to be a top-tier star, he has to supplement his scoring with SOMETHING. And, at least looking at his stats, I don’t see passing being that thing.
It's a good thing Larry Bird's initials weren't MJ. '80s basketball was confusing enough -- Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan, Marles Jarkley, Mominique Jilkins... Makeem Jolajuwon...
by 3.3seconds on Jan 12, 2010 5:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Assists depend just as much on who is catching.
So stats don’t tell the whole story of his game. Watch tonight (of course saying that he’ll be awful tonight….which would be great for Orlando).
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by magicfaninTN on Jan 12, 2010 6:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Evans can be a dominant scorer.
Tyreke just needs to improve on his efficiency on offense.
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by erivera7 on Jan 13, 2010 2:15 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I would take Tyreke over either guy in their prime
But I’m biased too.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
by pookeyguru on Jan 12, 2010 6:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Let me qualify that statement by saying this
Vince isn’t a #1 guy, Brandon Roy very much is, and I don’t have hate for either player. The Magic are, after all, my 2nd favorite team and I think the VC trade will work well once the pieces figure each other out somewhat. Fit isn’t always about what a player does do for a basketball team.
As good as VC & Roy are, Evans is already better than Roy or Carter defensively. Offensively, he can’t really shoot all that well, but neither could VC at 21 years old. That improved as he gets older. In the NBA you have to have a complete game in order to succeed. Evans has never needed that complete game before the NBA to succeed.
That all being said, I’m looking very forward to the matchup between Meercat and Easy Reke. Two Chester PA boys goin at it.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
by pookeyguru on Jan 12, 2010 6:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Roy is the best of the trio right now.
But I do think that Evans has the potential to be the best of the bunch over time.
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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
by erivera7 on Jan 13, 2010 2:16 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The answer is d, Steve Nash.
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by Diosnomeama on Jan 12, 2010 7:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Nash is a killer
This is what I know.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
by pookeyguru on Jan 12, 2010 9:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He'll kill you 52 ways before you hit the ground.
Loco por volver a verte, estoy aqui sentado y solito.
Mi corazon ya no responde, porque ya no estoy contigo.
by Diosnomeama on Jan 12, 2010 9:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hopefully not with a Sham Wow.
I don’t think I could take that.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
by pookeyguru on Jan 12, 2010 9:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
lol. Nah, he'll just beat you down with a bottle of Vitamin Water.
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Mi corazon ya no responde, porque ya no estoy contigo.
by Diosnomeama on Jan 12, 2010 9:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I would take Roy over Vince, yes - he's the better player right now.
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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
by erivera7 on Jan 13, 2010 2:15 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Kings fan here on why we love Evans so much
- His ability to get to the rim and finish. There are few NBA players who can get to the rim like he can, and finish as well as he can. This year, he’s taking half his shots at the rim and making 58.0% of them, usually over a taller defender.
- His youth. The guy is only 20 years old and is already putting up All-Star like numbers, and if those numbers continue, could be up there with LeBron and Michael’s rookie years.
- His Defense. He has great length for his size and his individual defense is great for a rookie (team D not so much, but that’s a problem for most Kings).
- Mismatch potential. With him and Martin in the backcourt, what team can guard both of them at the same time? With Martin injured, teams have been sticking their shooting guards on Tyreke and hiding point guard on someone else. The Kings changed the lineup to take advantage of mismatches by starting players like Donte Greene instead of Beno, but Donte isn’t near the offensive weapon a Kevin Martin is. With Kevin and Tyreke working together, teams will have a hard time matching up with them. By my count, only one team might be able to give both of them trouble, and thats OKC with Westbrook and Sefalosha.
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by Aykis16 on Jan 12, 2010 6:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I will give you that one point.
Martin makes Evans a lot more dangerous for me, because the assumption I was working on was that a guard whose only efficient option is to go to the hoop can be kept in check. Well, Martin means opponents have to defend Evans one-on-one, which increases Evans’ chances of finding a way to drive. (And on the other end, Casspi’s emergence as a scoring threat again keeps Evans from getting doubled.)
I still think those stats are inflated by opposing teams’ failure to expect Evans to be quite as good at driving as he has been.
It's a good thing Larry Bird's initials weren't MJ. '80s basketball was confusing enough -- Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan, Marles Jarkley, Mominique Jilkins... Makeem Jolajuwon...
by 3.3seconds on Jan 12, 2010 7:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Much easier to keep Reke in check in theory than reality
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
by pookeyguru on Jan 12, 2010 8:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Kind of my point.
If a guy has a theoretical weakness, eventually people will find a way to exploit it. It’s like
But still, you have to like that team’s core. Evans, Casspi, Thompson, and Martin… three of them on rookie deals, and Martin fairly reasonably priced for a scorer of his talent. And there’s also some significant talent on that bench — though a lot of it is a bit overpriced. (Seriously — what is with this team and paying sixth men $6 million a year? You’ve got Nocioni, Garcia, Udrih… all useful players, but not at that price.)
Still… they just need a defensive presence in the post, and they actually look pretty good. Like, even if Evans isn’t Dwyane Wade after all, they look good.
It's a good thing Larry Bird's initials weren't MJ. '80s basketball was confusing enough -- Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan, Marles Jarkley, Mominique Jilkins... Makeem Jolajuwon...
by 3.3seconds on Jan 12, 2010 8:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The Bulls signed Nocioni and the Kings traded for him
I don’t really mind Garcia & Udrih’s contract given that they both end when Tyreke Evans and Omri Casspi end their rookie contracts. It’s not really that bad for the long term even if their “value” doesn’t equate to the dollars that they’re given in fans eyes.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
by pookeyguru on Jan 12, 2010 9:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but it's an obstacle in terms of free agency.
If they could clear out one or two of those guys, they’d have the cap room for a max FA next year. Not necessarily saying they could attract one… between the fact that the current Kings demand a LOT of shots and the fact that Sacramento isn’t exactly everyone’s ideal destination, it’s a question. But on the other hand, if you were a shot-blocking big man, and you wanted to make a title run… it’s a tough situation to pass up.
Of course, I’m not sure any of the major FAs fit that need for Sacramento.
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by 3.3seconds on Jan 12, 2010 9:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You nailed it on the head.
The Kings need a defensive presence in the post (and on offense, too) and I think that team has the chance to become a contender in the Western Conference. Depends on who the player is, of course, and also depends on how everyone on the Kings develop.
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by erivera7 on Jan 13, 2010 2:19 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
Understimating. He is an infant for the NBA and he has already found a way to average 20pts, 5 Assist, and 5 Rebs.. If he slightly improved that would be All-Star stats.
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by Wmillion on Jan 12, 2010 6:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Evans is on the cusp of being an All-Star.
Just needs to improve on his efficiency and perimeter game. Everything else is there.
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by erivera7 on Jan 13, 2010 2:20 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
There's also another point that is being missed
Evans is the best inside player the Kings have, and that’s his strength. You want your best players doing what they do best. It forces other teams to adjust and change their defense. That, in turn, creates easier shots for the other players on the court with the “best player”.
Martin, Garcia, Casspi, and Hawes all shoot the 3 reasonably to very well. J(ason)T(hompson) is an excellent mid-range shooter when he has it going (the Kings will absolutely need that if they are going to win tonight), and Ime Udoka has moments where he hits the 3 ball too. Evans may not be a great deep shooter, but who cares? The Kings are asking him to provide some of the inside play that is lacking elsewhere on the roster.
I’ve heard people say they would take Tyreke Evans over Brandon Roy, Derrick Rose, or a player like that. I can’t disagree. It’s getting to the point where I’m having a tough time imagining John Wall being better than Evans even with all the hype John Wall will always get because of his natural abilities. If that ain’t homerism, I don’t know what is.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
by pookeyguru on Jan 12, 2010 9:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Rose, definitely.
But I don’t like Rose. I see him as a glorified Steve Francis.
Roy’s a little tougher, because Roy is just such a good complement to other players. Not only does he bring so much to his team, he doesn’t really present any obstacles to get around. You just plug him in, and no matter what you have around him, he works. Evans is a little different, because in order to fully use his strengths, you have to hide his weaknesses.
At least for now.
It's a good thing Larry Bird's initials weren't MJ. '80s basketball was confusing enough -- Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan, Marles Jarkley, Mominique Jilkins... Makeem Jolajuwon...
by 3.3seconds on Jan 12, 2010 9:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And I don't even know about John Wall.
Yeah, he’s a freshman. Yeah, he’s playing for a good team. But 17 points isn’t that impressive in and of itself. And he’s throwing out a lot of turnovers to get those assists.
Honestly, I’d say Patterson is better for that team. And Cousins — yeah, I know he’s got character/maturity issues, but that kid is averaging 15/10/2 in under 20 minutes a game. Wall’s nice, but a little overhyped in my opinion… that Memphis team is clearly a good environment to rack up the stats.
It's a good thing Larry Bird's initials weren't MJ. '80s basketball was confusing enough -- Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan, Marles Jarkley, Mominique Jilkins... Makeem Jolajuwon...
by 3.3seconds on Jan 12, 2010 9:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You mean, Kentucky.
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by erivera7 on Jan 13, 2010 2:13 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i heard rumors
chris bosh is going to the lakers. i hope this is not true
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by Hbkid on Jan 12, 2010 6:40 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
From Chris Broussard of ESPN
Sources from both the Los Angeles Lakers and the Toronto Raptors insist there have been no talks between the two clubs regarding an Andrew Bynum-for-Chris Bosh swap.
Link.
by Ben Q Rock on Jan 12, 2010 6:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I would be irate..
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by Wmillion on Jan 12, 2010 6:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That trade makes little sense for either side
Nevermind the fact that Bynum is BYC.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
by pookeyguru on Jan 12, 2010 7:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know. Putting aside the financial logistics, it might be good for both sides.
Bosh is light years ahead of Bynum on offense, and a good rebounder. Gasol could probably do a very decent job at center. Bynum would have the advantage of being the main post option in Toronto, and he would improve defense for a team that sucks balls on d.
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by Diosnomeama on Jan 12, 2010 8:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, sliding Bargnani down to be a stretch 4 would be good for them.
I think Bosh would be better for LA’s chemistry as well, since I don’t think he would pout like Bynum has when Gasol has been healthy. On the flip side, I think it would do better for Bynum’s attitude to be the main post guy in Toronto and be a bigger part of the offense than he is in LA. He seems to really want to be “the man” on a team, even if it means playing for an inferior team. More power to the guy, I suppose.
by slickw143 on Jan 13, 2010 12:46 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think it makes sense.
The Raptors get something for Bosh. As for Bosh, his game would fit well alongside Gasol.
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by erivera7 on Jan 13, 2010 2:13 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
TZ made a great point about being able to hide a smaller G on whoever is in the backcourt with Evans
With Martin, that forces teams like the Lakers, or Spurs even, to figure out who they want to defend each player. Given that Martin’s game is tailor made to play OFF the ball, and Evans is tailor made to PLAY WITH the ball it’s a perfect play.
I can’t wait until Martin comes back. I’m excited for tonight, so so excited for tonight.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
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