So, Who Should Start for Rashard Lewis?
With training camp beginning for the Orlando Magic next Tuesday at the RDV SportsPlex, I wanted to take a quick look at a storyline that may or may not carry legs once the regular season gets underway in roughly a month. I repeat, this hypothetical situation may or may not carry legs but it's at least worth discussing.
The question at hand is whether or not Brandon Bass, who will presumably start for the Magic at power forward while Rashard Lewis is sidelined due to suspension, is the best fit at that position for Orlando? Out of all the other players on the roster, there is one individual who could theoretically make a case for himself as being the more logical choice to log starter's minutes at the power forward spot, temporarily:
The main reasoning is that a player like Anderson would make more sense playing in the Magic's 4-out/1-in offense, more so than Bass, due to his ability to spread the floor in the same vein as Rashard Lewis. Although Bass is a capable player on the offensive side of the ball, he isn't able to shoot with as much range as Anderson.
Hence the conjecture.
I decided to compare Anderson & Bass and take a look at their respective numbers this past season to ascertain what each individual brings, or can bring, to the table. The fact that they each logged almost the same amount of minutes is a plus.
Click after the jump for the results.
Via Basketball-Reference:
It's clear, when looking at the data, that Bass is the more efficient player, offensively. But that's it, in terms of clear advantages on offense. There are people that argue Bass makes sense starting at power forward because of his defending and rebounding. While Bass is a stronger and more athletic defender, based on his physical build, it's not clear cut whether or not he is a better defender than Anderson. Likewise, there are no differences between the two, rebounding-wise. They each rebound at the same rate. But the statistics could be deceiving.
| Ryan Anderson | Brandon Bass | |
| adj. defensive plus/minus | -2.81 | +1.13 |
| opponent PER | 15.6 (vs. PF's) | 13.2 (vs. PF's and C's) |
| net defensive plus/minus | -3.1 | +1.3 |
| eFG% allowed | 50.7% | 49.3% |
| needs to improve on: | team defense | help defense |
So, what exactly does Anderson bring to the table that merits discussion as to whether or not head coach Stan Van Gundy should consider starting him? Mainly, his ability to spread the floor and shoot the three-pointer with good proficiency. Anderson's advanced shooting stats were average, at best, last year but there's no telling what type of improvements the Magic could see from him in his second season in the NBA. Bass has spent two seasons with the Dallas Mavericks and at this point in his career, barring something completely unexpected, his numbers have been consistent enough to assume he'll continue to produce at a similar rate.
The same can't be said about Anderson; his ceiling hasn't been established (the statistics indicate a similarity to Lewis, etc.) and his potential hasn't been completely harnessed, yet. For a rookie, like Anderson, to step into the league this past season and shoot 36.5% from three-point range is impressive, especially when you take into account the team he played for last year (New Jersey Nets). The talent disparity between New Jersey and Orlando is enormous and Anderson should benefit from playing alongside four All-Stars, where he'll see more open looks on offense. As such, Anderson could become as efficient of a scorer as Bass.
The fact that Anderson fits in perfectly with the 4-out/1-in system and allows Orlando to continue to play an unconventional lineup that has wreaked havoc against the majority of teams in the Association, makes the possibilities enticing. The same, frankly, can't be said about Bass. Because of his limited range on offense, the Magic have to play more conventionally with Bass. Which isn't bad, per se, because there will be times when the situation calls for it but it doesn't fully maximize the offensive possibilities for Orlando. That's the nature of the situation.
The lone downside in starting Anderson, at this point, might be his defense (I say might because he was slightly better than average, defensively, last year in New Jersey). Even though Anderson rates a bit better than Bass (his numbers are skewed, somewhat, because he played "out of position" in Dallas), according to the advanced defensive metrics listed above, it should be noted that Bass held his opponents to just 74.4% of their regular production, compared to Anderson who held his opponents to 88.5% of their regular production. Likewise, there's no denying that Anderson isn't as athletic or as strong as Bass. This may be what prevents Anderson from showcasing his abilities as a fill-in starter and additionally, as a role player once Lewis returns from his "temporary leave" and the depth chart returns to normal. Moving to a new situation and new system with the Magic should continue to help Anderson on the defensive end, though.
I will state, in my account of watching Ryan Anderson in the 2009 Orlando Pro Summer League, the effort is there.
My colleague Ben has touched on this subject, already, but it seems that Bass will remain ahead of Anderson in the depth chart for now. But if Anderson can become as efficient of a scorer as Bass (which is possible) and improve as a defender (which is possible, too), then Orlando may have their Rashard Lewis-lite and a regular contributor to the team.
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by Dzogi on Sep 24, 2009 10:16 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Pre-season games
Whoever earned the spot in the pre-season games.
by roger40 on Sep 24, 2009 10:22 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I like Ryan Anderson
Based on his game, and if Bass is going to be coming off the bench for most of the season the sooner we get him used to that role, the better.
by eltharion_doa on Sep 24, 2009 10:26 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, it's an interesting way to approach how to handle Anderson's development.
He’s definitely going to see minutes in the first 10 games of the season, so it’s a matter of HOW he’s going to see those minutes (starting or coming off the bench). The plus side is that Ryan has started before, so it’s not an entirely new thing for him to do. His familiarity with that type of role is a positive for the team.
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by erivera7 on Sep 24, 2009 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Start Ryan and keep him there
When Rashard returns, he will come back as a 3. Why?
-Allows Rashard to return to his “natural” position, without changing our philosophy.
-Stronger bench: Pietrus will be the ultimate 6th man, coming off the bench to spell the 2, 3, or 4 (with Rashard moving back up to 4). Still have Barnes and Bass ready as well.
-Also keeps us less dependent on JJ to be VC’s main backup.
-Keeps the height advantage at the 3 that we lost when Turk left.
-Ryan will now be able to develop in the main rotation, whereas being the 3rd string PF or a situational player would limit his development.
This is the best way to utilize the deepest team we’ve had in years.
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by bandrewg08 on Sep 24, 2009 10:39 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i like the idea of
playing ryan and rashard together on the court for those same reasons. its going to be neat seeing how the rotation pans out over the course of the season. i imagine there will be lots of shuffling
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by Dr Things on Sep 24, 2009 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly...
+1 For the Patrick Chewing reference…lol
by pianolady on Sep 24, 2009 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting ideas.
Pietrus can’t back-up the 4, btw.
Other than that, you’re reasoning is sound.
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by erivera7 on Sep 24, 2009 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like it but....
my only slight problem is that Rashard is a pretty sound defender at the 4 with his size and I just feel like Ryan might not be able to hold his own quite yet (in the post like Bass would). I like the idea but I’m going with the 2 headed beast idea, it just depends on who we match up with on any given night. We all know Bass is a good rebounder and he’s also got some blocking skills as well, I think it’d be safe to start Bass but I see your logic.
All in all, I think it really comes down to who Stan thinks will matchup the best for whichever game like I said earlier.
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by magic12ball on Sep 24, 2009 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I figure that..
If Stan can get Rashard, Hedo, and JJ to become good defenders as part of the #1 defensive team in the NBA, he can do the same for Ryan. So I’m not too worried about our D, as long as Stan keeps his principles in place and we still have Dwight.
by bandrewg08 on Sep 24, 2009 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ALSO....
I think Barney has some experience in the post too if Im not mistaken, he’d also be a viable option at times.
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by magic12ball on Sep 24, 2009 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd prefer Ryan too
not so much to groom him to start, but more to ensure he learns and develops in the system. When Rashard returns, I don’t see him getting many minutes. He needs to learn early how to contribute. I felt playing a few games when howard was out helped Gortat during last years regular season and prepared him for two crucial playoff games. I know Bass can play and he will, but either way, he will probably split minutes with Ryan pretty evenly early on.
by Natronbacon on Sep 24, 2009 10:43 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, the minutes distribution should be fairly even with Brandon and Ryan.
Since Rashard is out, that clears the way for a two-man mini-rotation at the power forward spot.
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by erivera7 on Sep 24, 2009 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Knowing Van Gundy,
the replacement starter will probably be a two headed beast with the opponent deciding who starts. After all, knowing how to come off the bench is just as important as knowing how to start. There’s no denying that the PF slot will be the 5th option during the first 10 regular season games.
Which player runs the floor better? I keep hearing people say that Anderson is the new Garrity, and he had the knees of an octogenarian.
by downbeatitude on Sep 24, 2009 12:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure that's accurate...
But I think people put too much weight on the term “Starter”. I think the important word to remember is “Rotation”. This is what determines the TEAM’s ability to gain chemistry. No sense in putting someone in for the first 10 games when their style of play won’t allow them to stay there once Rashard is back. I think Ryan should start the games for 3 reasons:
1. The obvious one – We’ll have TWO (2) 6’10" gunners on the floor, a la last year.
2. You don’t need another guy who needs the ball in his hands when you already have FOUR (4) All-Stars.
3. Showing confidence in a young player did WONDERS for C.Lee’s improvement and could do the same for Anderson.
We started C.Lee in front of Peaches because it made sense for the rotation, not because he was a superior player. It irks me when people assume that the best 5 players should start the game for a team. Maybe in Football, or Baseball, but not Basketball where rotation is more important and relevant. Starting Anderson w/Lewis will give us a ridiculous 2nd unit:
PG – A.J./J-Will
SG – Peaches/J.J.*
SF – Barnes
PF – Bass
C – Gortat
*In certain situations only
We already agree that these guys, with the exception of Gortat, have already reached their potential, and are comfortable w/being role players. IMO, Peaches still gets the most mins, and Bass will split w/Anderson. This doesn’t change your End-of-Game Lineup which probly has Peaches @ SF and Lewis @ PF. It just helps define the lineups and allows for greater continuity and promotes the development of chemistry. Whether it happens or not remains to be seen.
by pianolady on Sep 24, 2009 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree that the rotation matters more than who is starting.
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by erivera7 on Sep 24, 2009 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anderson isn't the new Garrity.
That’s an insult to his skill-set, which is far most diversified.
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by erivera7 on Sep 24, 2009 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What's his skill set besides shooting at this point? I'm not being argumentative, sincerely asking.
by CaliFlorida on Sep 24, 2009 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anderson can and is more than willing to post up.
He does well as being the “pick” man in the pick & roll (something that, I’m sure, SVG will utilize him in). Likewise, Ryan has the ability to breakdown his defender from the perimeter.
On the other side of the ball, he’s a superior defender than Pat.
The numbers project Anderson to have a bright future in the NBA and I definitely think he brings much more to the table than Garrity ever will. That’s from looking at the numbers and watching him.
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by erivera7 on Sep 24, 2009 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't realize Anderson is a guy who can take it to the basket. That's pretty exciting.
I haven’t really seen him play. But I remember those projections you guys posted a while back and that definately caught my eye. The summer league stuff, not so much — I tend to dismiss those results offhand.
by CaliFlorida on Sep 24, 2009 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, can't entirely dismiss the Summer League.
I know the competition isn’t the greatest, but a scout told me that if a player can dominate in Summer League, he can play in the NBA, and Ryan proved that when he was playing.
I think a lot of people will be surprised at how impressive Anderson is.
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by erivera7 on Sep 24, 2009 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We already know Anderson can play in the NBA, it's just a question of at what level.
I don’t think summer leage does much to answer that. There are too many examples of guys doing real well in summer league and being mediocre when the real games start.
by CaliFlorida on Sep 24, 2009 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who would you compare Ryan's skill set to in the NBA?
would a poor man’s Rashard be a comparison?
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by magic12ball on Sep 24, 2009 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not exactly, IMO, because Lewis is a bit more athletic
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by Ben Q Rock on Sep 24, 2009 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But Anderson's bigger.
He lists at 20 pounds more, and it’s not hard to see that he just has a larger frame in general. Not saying Lewis isn’t strong for his weight, or even that Anderson is stronger than Lewis — I don’t know that. But I think just in terms of sheer bulk, he’s got that over Anderson.
He's currently two-thirds man, one-third amazing. Which, let's face it, is still a pretty good ratio.
by 3.3seconds on Sep 25, 2009 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not entirely, but he's along that level.
I think Anderson can do some of the same things as Rashard, but not on the same athletic tier. I think that’s why David Thorpe told me Anderson reminds him more of a Lewis-lite.
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by erivera7 on Sep 24, 2009 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know who should start right away --- other than to say whoever claims it in camp (obviously).
The only opinion I have on this is that I think it’s a little overstated that the Magic’s style of play on offense changes drastically with Brandon Bass at 4. Of course he presents one less three point shooting option, but he is still a very efficient jump shooter — actually among the elite among NBA 4’s. Because Bass can consistently knock down what I call the Horace Grant J (15-17 ft.), I don’t see any reason why he doesn’t fit in to the inside/out scheme on offense. Certainly, having a non 3pt shooting power forward in the Shaq era didn’t affect the Magic’s ability to go inside out. And that was with 3 other perimeter guys who, collectively, probably weren’t as proficient from the 3pt line as what the team has currently.
I’ve heard a lot of people write off the inside/out game if Bass is on the court but I’m not so sure about that. If you have 3 guys who can drill 3 pters and a pf who can make open 17 footers, you can play 1 in 4 out.
by CaliFlorida on Sep 24, 2009 12:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think the 17 footer ruins 4 out 1 in
Most power forwards can cover back into the paint off a 17 footer because of their length. Thats why having 4 guys on the 3 line changes things so much, the PF has to abandon the paint or give the open jumper. It eliminates their ability to cheat on defense ( half show to the jumpshooter while staying home for the double on Dwight) and pick their poison. I just think having a guy in that intermediate zone clashes too much with our scheme. That doesnt mean there isnt room for Bass, just not for the 4-1 offense.
I say start Anderson the first 10 and see what we have.
And I agree w/ pianolady about starting being overrated in the NBA. In a perfect world I would like stan to give these minutes out.
starters Dwight 36 Shard 34 Barnes 22 VC 34 Meer 36 2nd string Gortat 10-15 Bass 10-15 (@ C & PF) Anderson 10-15 (@SF & PF) Pietrus 22 ( @ SG & SF) AJ + JW 12 Redick 10 with everyone else getting scraps.
IMO this would strenthen the team as a whole and keep everyone fresh for the playoffs. With as much ammo as we possess it doesnt make sense to pull punches and over work our stars.
But only time will tell.
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by The Magic made Lebron run off the court on Sep 24, 2009 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No way any player, power forward or otherwise, can effectively guard both the rim and 17 feet out simultaneously.
The best you can accurately say is that a 4 guy spotting up from 17 feet as opposed to the 3 point line makes the close out a bit shorter for the defender. But the dillema for the defending 4 applies just as much when the shooter is spotting up from 17 feet — double down in the paint or stay with the shooter. It just isn’t possible for the defender to do both.
Again, we’ve already seen the inside/out game work effectively with a non-3pt shooting PF during the Shaq era. The only difference now is there is a relaxed illegal defense rule these days. But that shouldn’t affect things all that much for a couple reasons. First, you don’t see many teams playing zones against the Magic because of their shooting. And second, if the 4 doubles down, the close out usually comes from another defender rotating, not from the double teamer. So you just aren’t going to see a defending 4 covering both the jump shot and the rim.
by CaliFlorida on Sep 24, 2009 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i wasnt saying effectively guard both
just that they can cheat alot more, for fouling purposes. But with the same shooter on the 3 line they have to commit more one way or the other.
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by The Magic made Lebron run off the court on Sep 24, 2009 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
bass will get 20+ min. a game not sure he will see any min. at c?
yes very soon we will know.
by magicman775 on Sep 24, 2009 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bass won't see many minutes at center because Dwight and Marcin eat those minutes up.
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by erivera7 on Sep 24, 2009 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
HOrace Grant Top of the Key Jumper reference
+1
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by BS Patrol on Sep 24, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
agree
you said it right i think. bass does not make us a 3-2 he can spred the floor. i,m hyped up on this guy because i know in svg system he is going to bloom into a very good pf true pf. and we will still be able to go to the 1-4 game when we need to. imo
by magicman775 on Sep 24, 2009 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In the end, it makes no difference.
SVG has so many options at his disposal.
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by erivera7 on Sep 24, 2009 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The offense won't change drastically with Bass on the floor, but it does change.
Thing is, if Ryan becomes as efficient of a shooter as Brandon, who would you rather have? That’s, sort of, what I was alluding to in my post. If that becomes the case, where both players shoot efficiently, I’m sure many here would rather have Anderson because he’s the perfect fit for the 4-out/1-in offense.
But, that isn’t to say Brandon can’t play in that scheme. Just not as effectively.
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by erivera7 on Sep 24, 2009 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Certainly. One guy is a 3 pt shooter, the other guy isn't. So there is definately a difference.
I just wanted to point out that you can play inside/out with a conventional power forward as long as he can make jumpers. I think sometimes that gets lost. We’ve seen it before and seen it work well.
I would also emphasize your point about Anderson needing to matchup effectively on the defensive end against 4’s for the 4 out scheme to work. Remember, when Rashard came in, there were huge questions whether he could guard 4’s. Rashard passing that test with flying colors is really what the key has been to the scheme producing winning basketball. I think the main reason Rashard has done so well is generally his toughness. That’s something I’ve been so impressed with and I don’t think it’s all that common of a trait. I have no idea if Anderson brings that or not. Numbers aside, I think it makes sense to be just as skeptical about Anderson in that regard as everyone was about Lewis two years ago. In other words, I’ll believe it when I see it and I haven’t seen it yet.
by CaliFlorida on Sep 24, 2009 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's why I stated that Bass has the advantage of being more athletic and stronger.
.. even though I am personally impressed with Anderson’s defensive numbers, when you consider the fact he was on a bad defensive team this past season. It’s not like he was benefitting from playing Dwight Howard, which leads me to believe he just needs to work on the little things.
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by erivera7 on Sep 24, 2009 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Battie had a pretty solid 15-18 ft. jumper.
And we saw how the Magic’s offense ground to a halt when he was out there anyway.
Of course, Bass is a better volume scorer than Battie. Still.
He's currently two-thirds man, one-third amazing. Which, let's face it, is still a pretty good ratio.
by 3.3seconds on Sep 25, 2009 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bass shot 45.4% on 2-pt jumpers last year. Battie was in the low 40s.
So Bass is an improvement in that regard.
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by Ben Q Rock on Sep 25, 2009 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also, let's not forget what Bass brings offensively that the Lewis and I presume Anderson don't
He is super athletic and can run the floor as well as anyone on the team. He has the potential to take the Magic’s transition game to an even greater level. Plus, he looks to be a beast at attacking the basket. And that’s not to mention the help he can give Dwight by getting physical with players down low. That’s not something to discount either — I’m not sure Lewis or Anderson can provide the same weakside defense/rebounding as Bass can.
by CaliFlorida on Sep 24, 2009 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, those are advantages that Brandon has over Ryan (athleticism).
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by erivera7 on Sep 24, 2009 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It would make sense for Ryan Anderson to start.
But, people put too much emphasis on who is starting. The more important thing is who is playing in the crucial moments of the game. Ryan Anderson could start and only play 15 minutes a game. What I do know is that the Magic didn’t sign Bass to a 4 year, $18 million dollar contract to sit on the bench. Even if Anderson starts, I see Bass getting the majority of those minutes while Lewis is out. When Lewis comes back, I just don’t see many minutes for Anderson unless there are injuries.
by MightyMouth on Sep 24, 2009 1:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I hear you
But let’s not forget that Anderson is the guy Otis wanted to draft, and that C.Lee was a consolation prize. I trust Otis’ judgment on talent, and that means Anderson could very well prove to be the missing piece of the 4-out/1-in lineup that will terrorize the NBA.
by pianolady on Sep 24, 2009 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's no way a starter plays only 15 minutes a game.
by fwedo on Sep 24, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That won't happen.
Manu is the exception to the rule.
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by erivera7 on Sep 24, 2009 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thing is, that's what's going to happen to Bass.
He isn’t starting over Rashard once he returns from his suspension. The team will continue to play Jameer/Vince/Rashard/Dwight, and probably Barnes as the fifth starter from what I’ve been hearing.
While Lewis is out, I would expect Bass and Anderson to get the majority of the minutes. You’re right, in saying that Ryan probably won’t see much PT once the roster is at full-strength. Never know, though.
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by erivera7 on Sep 24, 2009 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I know Bass is going to come off the bench.
What I was saying is that I don’t believe the Magic signed him to that contract to get spot minutes. They signed him to be a rotation player, which is going to make it really tough for Anderson to leap him in the rotation. Unfortunately, Anderson may be stuck in the “JJ Redick Usage” mode where he only gets minutes when injuries occur, 3 point shooting is badly needed, or during garbage time. Heck, JJ Redick is still stuck in the “JJ Redick Usage” mode…LOL.
Speaking of JJ…Do you realistically see him having a bigger role with the team this year?
by MightyMouth on Sep 24, 2009 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, okay. Yeah, Bass will be in the rotation and will probably see 20 minutes a night.
That’s basically the amount of playing time he got while he was playing in Dallas. As for Redick, I really don’t know. I do think his numbers will improve so that will certainly help his cause but unless a rash of injuries strike Orlando, I think J.J. is in the same position he was last year.
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by erivera7 on Sep 24, 2009 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll tell you, if it turns out Barnes is the 5th starter when it matters -- at the end of the year -- I will give you guys serious props.
Unless you’re talking to SVG or maybe someone like Brendan Malone, I just don’t see how anyone knows. I wonder if the coaches even know themselves. There is so much to play out, even to see who starts the season really.
by CaliFlorida on Sep 24, 2009 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can't reveal who I'm talking to but I will say it's someone that's intimately attached to the coaching staff. I'm not predicting that Barnes will start at the end of the year.
He may, but I do know that he’ll probably be the fifth starter to start the season.
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by erivera7 on Sep 24, 2009 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So it's basically just speculation at this point. No one really knows.
by CaliFlorida on Sep 25, 2009 1:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This person, our source, would know better than just about everyone else.
Third Quarter Collapse: An Orlando Magic blog at SB Nation | Brandon Bass: "I just play hard."
by Ben Q Rock on Sep 25, 2009 1:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah. I get that.
But saying Barnes is probably the 5th starter to start the season is about as meaningful as saying this time last year that Keith Bogans was likely to be a rotation player.
It doesn’t sound like your guy is saying Barnes is entrenched as the 5th starter when Rashard comes back. Long term, when it matters, that position is most likely up for grabs.
by CaliFlorida on Sep 25, 2009 1:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha looks like Milicic's trying to fly away
Still a girl.
by TheGiantSquid on Sep 24, 2009 1:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Looks like he's doing the Superman part in the Soulja Boy dance.
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by erivera7 on Sep 24, 2009 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
bass no brainer svg will show us here in about a month.
just look at the #s e posted that should tell you alot. anderson does have alot of upside tho. really like that otis got him. he might replace shard someday.
by magicman775 on Sep 24, 2009 2:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Off topic.
Is Gortat still with us after trade deadline?
Any speculation would be nice. I really like him backing up Howard.
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Busters thought we was frontin, so reload and keep dumpin
by BS Patrol on Sep 24, 2009 5:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Most likely.
There are so many logjams in trying to trade Marcin this season.
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by erivera7 on Sep 24, 2009 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs


















