Orlando Magic News for September 22nd: Dwight Howard, A Statistical Monster; Rashard Lewis v. Hedo Turkoglu
by erivera7 on Sep 22, 2009 3:07 PM EDT
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The top 10 individual statistical seasons of the last decade
Kelly Dwyer of Ball Don't Lie posts the top ten individual statistical seasons of the past decade, where current and former Orlando Magic players (Tracy McGrady) make the list.[Dwight] Howard cut the rate in which he turned the ball over significantly (relative to how many possessions he uses up), his defense improved, his defensive stats improved (career highs of 2.9 blocks and a steal), and he tossed in a league-leading 13.8 rebounds and team-leading 20.9 points per game to boot. Howard was also tops in defensive rating, defensive win shares and fourth in player efficiency rating in what was a pretty spectacular season for individual accomplishment.
Seriously, check out T-Mac's statistics with Orlando. They were insane. -
Who’s Better: Hedo Turkoglu or Rashard Lewis?
Ben York and A. Burton of Dime Magazine take the time to compare Rashard Lewis & Hedo Turkoglu, in hopes of determining which player is better.Here's an excerpt about Ice-O:
Since then, I’ve realized what we had in Rashard [Lewis]. You only need one hand to count the number of players 6-10 and up who can shoot the rock better than Rashard (and Hedo Turkoglu isn’t on that list). He led the NBA in threes last season with 220, and finished third the season before that. And while he might not do it as much as you’d like, he can effectively create his own shot off the dribble and score in the post. In Orlando’s run to the Finals, Lewis consistently delivered in crunch time, hitting rally buckets, game-winners and daggers throughout the playoffs.
In tomorrow's Fact or Fiction post, I'll go ahead and rummage the numbers to determine which player is superior. -
2009-10 OMD Photo Shoot: Behind the Scenes
Today, the Orlando Magic shares a photo gallery of behind the scenes footage of the team's dancers photo shoot. Check it out. -
Rajon Rondo keeps brash approach on Celtics' star-filled roster
Paul Forrester of Sports Illustrated talks to Rajon Rondo of the Boston Celtics and asks him several questions concerning his Eastern Conference rivals.SI.com: Back to the court -- with all of the changes Orlando and Cleveland made over the summer, do you think the Celtics will have to take a different approach with those two rivals?
RR: I think they'll have to play us differently. We want to make teams adjust to us. That's how Doc coaches and that's what we try to do when we play.
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Mac was a beast back in the day
Crazy thing about that list is, apart from the top 4 none of the guys were MVPs the season they had those stats. Also, it speaks volumes about Lebron’s season when CP3 and D12 had decade best perfromances and still weren’t in the discussion for MVP compared to Lebron, Wade and Bryant. It was a hell of a year last year.
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Not a big fan of lists like that
because they have to spread around the love too much. Honestly, you could have put four or five of Garnett’s years with the Wolves and get away with it.
If you put an honest list together without names attached, Lebron, Garnett and Kobe would fill up the top15.
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hedo or shard
both writers make good arguments for their picks. but i would have to say hedo because he is so versatile. but i’m happy with rashard and his play. definitely over paid but a very good 4 man. one of the best in the nba. i dont like the fact that our highest paid player cant create his own shots. he fits in great with our 1 in 4 out tho for sure.
Have to go with Rashard
Hedo was a ball stopper in the playoffs and cannot play 4 positions. His defense leaves something to be desired and cannot guard the opposing teams 1,2, or 4 effectively for an entire game. Rashard plays the opposing team’s 4 out of position decently (not great by any means) and can hold his own at the 3. Rashard’s #’s may be down from Seattle but that is so Dwight can get more possessions. He plays his role more effectively than Hedo does.
Hah. Who cares if Hedo can't guard the 1, 2, or 4, that's completely irrelevant.
Both Lewis and Turkoglu have shown to be above-average defenders with the Magic, part of that is their own improvement, part of that is Dwight Howard, part of that is Stan Van Gundy.
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My argument about guarding the 1, 2, and 4 comes from the statement that Hedo can play 4 positions.
Not on this site, but on the article site. Don’t know if I would classify Hedo as an above average defender. Too many times (in my opinion) I saw Hedo give up on defense, let his player drive past him and foul trying to slap the ball from behind.
I also asked Steve Kyler from Hoopsworld that question and here was his response:
“Rashard is the better all around player… but Hedo’s strengths come in
that he is a 6’10 player that can handle the ball… thats the match up
nightmare…
But one on one… Rashard is better by far in every aspect of the game.
Steve"
Hedo can't play four positions, though. He plays one, small forward.
As for measuring his defense, there are a number of statistics, as well as the accounts of David Thorpe, that show that Turkoglu was an above-average defender this past season. Granted, defensive metrics are a work in progress and are less refined than offensive metrics, but it’s still worth noting.
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the reason i say hedo is because.
he can put the ball on the floor and make something happen. imo shard has a harder time doing this. yes i know thats not his game. as far as d i think they both played the best d of their career in svg system. as e pointed out it has something to do with howard. shard is the man but hedo was just as important to us last year. im not sure on the #s part but neither is known as a defensive stopper. they are pretty avg. there i think.
They're both above-average on defense, or at least they were when Stan arrived
Hard to imagine Hedo succeeding on D in Toronto while he’s sharing the floor with Calderon, DeRozan, Bosh, and Bargnani.
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Hedo is going to regress, defensively, simply because of the personnel around him.
That’s the thing about defensive metrics; they’re so heavily influenced by external factors that it’s sometimes hard to pinpoint exactly how much credit to give someone, defensively.
I know that’s the side of the ball APBRmetricians are trying more and more to refine.
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Yeah, Hedo can do more than Rashard on the offensive side of the ball.
Problem is, he doesn’t do it as efficiently or as well.
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yes i can think back countless times.
hedo dribbling the ball for 20 sec. then having to jack a shot up. he was good at it tho. see i think shard is good at posting someone up and backing them down. but i dont think he can create shots like turky can or carter from now on. so my point is when it comes down to the last shot of a game unless its a 3 pointer shard will not get the rock cause he cant create like turk.
I feel like Hedo is tough to measure accurately...
…simply because a) he does so many things, and b) he doesn’t necessarily do those things well. I mean, do you give him credit for scoring in volume, even though he spent large portions of last year shooting under 40% from the field? He has to get SOMETHING for his ability to run an offense, but we’ve all seen him make a boatload of perplexing decisions while doing so.
Whereas I think we can say just about exactly what Lewis does. He’s a solid defender but not a great one, doesn’t rebound much for a PF, can pass the ball okay but it’s not his thing, and he’s arguably the best three-point shooter in the NBA today. To me, Hedo might have a few more pluses, but he’s got a LOT more minuses.
Rashard won’t ever hurt you; the worst he’s going to do is miss shots, and he doesn’t even do that much. Hedo can take over a game… and sometimes, he will run that game into the ground. And we’ve all seen him do both. If we were a worse team, we might want to do that kind of gambling — but we don’t need anyone to take over games for us. We have at least four guys who are fully capable of scoring 18+ points a game, and we’re all better served if those guys (and the rest of them) all get their looks.
He's currently two-thirds man, one-third amazing. Which, let's face it, is still a pretty good ratio.
by 3.3seconds on Sep 22, 2009 9:19 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
exactly the reason Lewis wears pinstripes and Turko is in Canada buying parkas
couldnt have said it better
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by The Magic made Lebron run off the court on Sep 22, 2009 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions
No its cuz he was a FA that we didnt think was worth $10 mil a year
With the amount we spent this year if the team felt he was worth the loot they would have signed him. Just look at the Lewis deal, Carters contract, what we paid Gortat. They are all worth this, but apparently the Magic had reservations W/ turk thats why they let him go so easily.
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by The Magic made Lebron run off the court on Sep 22, 2009 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions
nail on the head.
we dont want that for 5 years dont get me wrong i like hedo as much as the next. but thats a long time to be locked down with him.
by magicman775 on Sep 22, 2009 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed. You echoed some of the things I'll touch on in my post, tomorrow.
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If Hedo hadn't taken charge in some of those playoff games. . .
Lewis wouldn’t have had the chance to make the game winning shots. Yes, I would go with Hedo. . . at least on last year’s team. With this team, I suppose it really is a toss-up though in my eyes.
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I'd take Lewis over Turkoglu, but that's just me.
In my opinion, it’s no contest but I can see the argument on both sides.
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I think because he hit so many big shots,
and did so many things for the team people have a sentimental feeling for Turk. But if you break down the numbers I think Lewis is way more solid and versatile and has stronger defense. Thats not saying Turk wont be valueable to Toronto, just he was 2nd place among our 6’10 shooters is all.
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by The Magic made Lebron run off the court on Sep 23, 2009 8:49 AM EDT up reply actions
imo
lewis is not as versitile as turk. he cannot handle the ball like turk can. that being said i to would rather have rashard on my team. but i would not pay either one their current pay. imo they are both over paid for what they do for their teams. shard hit big shot after big shot too. but both have their own skill they bring to the table. read ben under our post tells the story right there. both as far as #s. are pretty close except one makes 10 mil. a year the other 20 mil. a year or real close.
by magicman775 on Sep 23, 2009 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Lewis is as versatile, just in different ways.
Mainly, how he scores on offense.
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I remember to many 2-14 and 3-16 nights turned in by Hedo
Rashard, as eluded to above won’t hurt you that much and that often…
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It's actually pretty even
In the last 2 years, Lewis and Turkoglu have a combined 28 performances in which they attempted at least 15 shots and converted less than 35% of them. Lewis has 13 such performances, while Hedo has 15:
Link.
The reason it might seem like Turk has more is because his lows are lower; on the extreme end of the scale (games in which they attempted at least 15 shots but shot worse than 25%), Turk has 6 games, and Lew has 3.
When we use the same shooting criteria and add the criterion “at least 3 turnovers”—and thus account for another level of inefficiency—we see 15 such games combined from Hedo and Rashard. Hedo, as you might expect, accounts for a majority of those games: 10 of them.
For what it’s worth, Vince Carter has turned in 8 such efforts (FGA>=15, FG% =< .35, TO>=3) in 156 total games during the same time frame.
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by Evan Dunlap on Sep 23, 2009 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions
I love this place!!!
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After reading this info
Why Might the Magic have decided Rashard was worth his contract and Hedo not worth one at all.
I was of the opinion that Shard was much better than Hedo, but with this evidence it seems as if they might be roughly even, I suppose timing has something to do with it or the Fact Hedo is gone and Shard still here.
Ben that was cool for you to take time out and research that stuff. the only thing I research is how to cheat on Xbox games!!
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They're not even, and I'm going to show why in a few hours.
It’s quite simple, really. Hedo was a free agent, Rashard wasn’t.
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