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Fact or Fiction: The Orlando Magic's Offensive Philosophy Will Remain Relatively Similar

Fact or Fiction presents both sides of key issues the Orlando Magic will face in the upcoming NBA season.

Despite the roster shake-up, the Magic offense will remain stylistically similar.

FACT: For all the hubbub about the new players for the Orlando Magic, there is an offensive system in place that has proven to be successful and there's no reason why head coach Stan Van Gundy would skew away from it. If history has taught us anything during Van Gundy's tenure with the Magic, it's that he's excellent at adjusting and adapting to whatever situation or scenario pops up. Vince Carter's arrival to Orlando alleviates concerns about Hedo Turkoglu's departure. Why? Because Carter can do what Turkoglu did, but in a better & more efficient manner.

 

As such, the Magic's pick & roll game should be as good, if not, better with Carter. The playbook (little less pick & rolls, little more isolations) and the focus (going from small forward to shooting guard) will change, but don't expect the end result to be different. 

 

Turkoglu/Howard = lethal. Carter/Howard = potent.

 

Brandon Bass? His arrival does nothing to change the fact that Orlando will continue to run its 4-out/1-in offense, which carried the team to the NBA Finals this past season. Bass may get the opportunity to start at the beginning of the year with Rashard Lewis sidelined, but that may be more the exception than the rule. Having Lewis at power forward is what makes the Magic's offense special and it wouldn't make much sense to play more conventionally for the sake of it, unless specific matchups dictate otherwise. Still, Lewis will see time at small forward.

 

As for Bass, think of him as a much better version of Tony Battie.

 

Ryan Anderson, Matt Barnes, and Jason Williams will bring skill-sets to the table that Orlando is already familiar with: ball handling, defending, shooting, etc. For Anderson, he's an individual that Stan hasn't had before off the bench - a "four-spreader", in the mold of Lewis. The fact that Anderson can back-up Lewis or play alongside him could be a trump card Van Gundy uses during the season. When comparing personnel from last year to this year, Anderson is the only discernible difference. As for everyone else - different players, same system (for the most part).

 

Orlando, quite frankly, shouldn't be any different on offense. What's scary is that this year's team may have a roster that's more flexible & versatile than last year's team, which is hard to believe when you think about it. Smarter, too. In speaking with a source close familiar with the team's plans, it was stated that the Magic coaching staff marvels at the basketball IQ of new players on the roster. Encouraging news.

 

FICTION: The only way the Orlando Magic change, stylistically, on offense is if Brandon Bass were to start the majority of the season at power forward. That's it. Or if, somehow, Marcin Gortat were to play alongside Dwight Howard in the starting lineup (the odds of that happening, however, are very low). Not many scenarios.

 

Verdict: If it ain't broke, don't fix it. 

 

Expect more of the same from the Orlando Magic this year, stylistically, but certainly prepare for improvements and tweaks to Stan Van Gundy's offensive philosophy - for example, don't be surprised to see a little bit of the triangle offense displayed.

 

Stuff like that.

 

With grateful acknowledgement to 3QC user kerem, who suggested this topic.

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Not very suspenseful, but still gets you excited

Especially about the IQ part. I like these, keep ’em coming!

And to me, “lethal” sounds better than “potent”. Just saying

by bandrewg08 on Sep 18, 2009 8:37 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

? not sure but a safe guess would be close to last year.

but i think if we play well the first ten games stan will run with a 3-2 game more than he did last year. i could be totaly off here but i think stan likes bass and think he will use him alot. he does talk a lot about useing shard at the 3 spot so time will tell. no matter what stan does we are going to have a great team. come on season.

by magicman775 on Sep 18, 2009 12:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Well, Rashard will see more minutes at the three.

Reason being that the Magic are able to, given the players on the roster.

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by erivera7 on Sep 18, 2009 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm hoping that Ryan blows Stan away in training camp...

So we can see my fav lineup:

PG – MeerCat
SG – Vinsanity
SF – Ice-O
PF – Anderson
C – D-12
A.K.A. – THE JUSTICE LEAGUE

This lineup would absolutely terrorize the league, and would put a bona-fide ROLE PLAYER in the lineup w/four All-Stars, which is better for chemistry. And, it also makes the bench look like a video game lineup:

PG – Williams
SG – Peaches
SF – Barnes
PF – Bass
C – Gortat

  • Reddick/Johnson = best 11/12 players in league!!

by pianolady on Sep 19, 2009 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I won't lie, I really do think Anderson makes more sense starting than Bass.

The question is his defense, at this point. People say Brandon is the better rebounder, but Ryan actually had the higher total rebounding percentage last season. Not many people know that.

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by erivera7 on Sep 19, 2009 6:25 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Playing devil's advocate here...

Dallas overall was a better rebounding team than New Jersey (0.516 to 0.501). Bass had a .124 rebound rate, so he grabbed about 24% of his team’s rebounds while on the floor. Anderson had a .126 rebound rate, grabbing 25% of his team’s rebounds. I don’t think there’s enough difference there to definitely say either is a better rebounder .

Their frontcourt partners were roughly equal, as well – Anderson played alongside Sean Williams (0.115) and Brook Lopez (0.141), with some minutes alongside Josh Boone (0.139). Bass’ forecourt partners were Nowitzki (0.118), Singleton (0.140) and Diop (0.136).

One possible key factor is that Bass mostly played center last year – he had 28% of Dallas’ minutes at the 5, but only 11% of their minutes at the 4. By contrast, Anderson played 5% of the Nets’ center minutes, and 27% of their PF minutes. Moving Bass back to PF will reduce his height disadvantage against most teams, and let him use his size to advantage. I fully expect both Anderson and Bass to see their rebound rates go down, since Howard and Gortat are Hoover and Kirby on the court, but I think that at PF, Bass will have a slightly better rate than Anderson if all else is equivalent.

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by The Dark on Sep 21, 2009 8:13 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I never said Brandon was the better rebounder, that's what people say.

I hear what you’re saying about Bass’ numbers being affected because he’s playing C but I don’t buy it when two years prior, he spent 22% of the time at PF and his rebounding rate was relatively the same. I don’t think it makes a difference for him, in my opinion.

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by erivera7 on Sep 21, 2009 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i say switch williams and Dad

I agree otherwise ,we are sick

Thats me chilling with Nick Anderson

by The Magic made Lebron run off the court on Sep 19, 2009 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Makes no difference, really.

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by erivera7 on Sep 19, 2009 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly...I was worried I was alone on an island on that one

But that lineup would be a match made in hell for 29 coaches, and well, the opposite for 1…lol

by pianolady on Sep 22, 2009 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

oh man, it would be nice to see this team run some triangle offense!

agreed, with the basketball IQ’s on this team, i think they are capable of running many offensive schemes and systems. if this group succeeds and sticks together, they could be impossible to stop. bass is not only a much better version of battie, more importantly, he is a much YOUNGER version.

by lugowsky on Sep 18, 2009 12:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Don't expect it often, but I know that Stan likes what the triangle offers.

It’s something he’s willing to use, given the personnel on the team.

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by erivera7 on Sep 18, 2009 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Off topic, so feel free to delete

When you do the Magic news for the day, is there any possibility you can show the entire ‘Offseason Buzz’ article about the Magic on ESPN.com today in a 3QC post? It is one of those Insider’s articles so I only caught a small blurb of it.

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by funny80sguy on Sep 18, 2009 12:41 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I can do that.

Those posts don’t really reveal anything amazing, but sure.

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by erivera7 on Sep 18, 2009 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, but it kills time, and it always irks me when I know there is something to be read and it is not available for immediate gratification . . .

even if it is a bit of a letdown when I actually do read it in the end. Ugh, the offseason brings my standards really low.

Thanks, man.

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by funny80sguy on Sep 18, 2009 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hah, no problem.

Expect something later in the afternoon.

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by erivera7 on Sep 18, 2009 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fact

Even better I believe, Anderson ( if he meshes ) will be a Lewis clone, allowing us to destroy teams bench squads.

Thats me chilling with Nick Anderson

by The Magic made Lebron run off the court on Sep 18, 2009 2:01 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

magic offense

Don’t forget, as deep and as young as this team is, they can simply run the legs off of many of the teams they will play this year, reguardless of the particular offense that they might be using at any time

by Garry on Sep 18, 2009 6:14 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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