Fact or Fiction: Ryan Anderson Will Overtake Brandon Bass on the Depth Chart
Fact or Fiction presents both sides of key issues the Orlando Magic will face in the upcoming NBA season.
Ryan Anderson will pass Brandon Bass on the depth chart by the end of the season.
FACT: Although Bass, as the team's highest-profile free-agent acquisition, appears to have a firm grasp on the team's backup power forward job now, Anderson does almost everything just a bit better. Bass has earned a reputation as a big, burly wrecking-ball of a frontcourt presence; the Magic haven't had such a player in quite a while, and that novelty might prove appealing to Magic coach Stan Van Gundy.
But that novelty will wear off once Van Gundy realizes Anderson can do everything Bass does, with the added bonus of being a credible three-point shooting threat. To wit, Bass has yet to connect from three-point range in 11 attempts over his 4 seasons, while Anderson drilled 69 treys in 189 attempts (36.5%) last season, nearly unprecedented for players of his size and age. And don't let Bass' bulk fool you: his career rebounding rate of 13.4 is inferior to Anderson's 14.1 figure.
The key here is that the Magic can play their preferred style--that is, with a floor-spreading power forward--with their second unit, provided that Anderson is that power forward. Van Gundy mentioned as much in the press conference announcing the Magic's acquiring Anderson, along with Vince Carter, from New Jersey:
I think what we had, and you guys watched it this year, was when Rashard [Lewis] came out of the game and we went to the bench, we really had to play a different way because we then could not spread the floor out.
Indeed, Anderson's rebounding and long-range accuracy will make him a better fit for the second unit than Bass' brute strength. He'll overtake Bass' spot in the rotation before too long.
FICTION: Don't be so quick to dismiss Bass' offense. While he doesn't have Anderson's range, he's a much better finisher inside, and his mid-range jumper is much more reliable than Anderson's... or that of almost every other big man in the league. Bass is similar to Tony Battie, who backed up Lewis at power forward for must of last year, in that he favors shooting from mid-range. But the reason the Magic's offense suffered with Battie on the floor last year wasn't the floor shrinking, but rather that Battie's a far less accurate shooter.
And defensively, Bass has a tremendous edge over Anderson, both in physical strength and in overall ability. Bass can guard either power position, and commits fewer fouls. Van Gundy tends to emphasize defense over offense, and Bass' considerable superiority on this end--in conjunction with his not-to-be-overlooked midrange game on offense--will allow him to maintain the Magic's backup power forward position throughout the year.
Verdict: While we're a long way from knowing how this particular issue will play out, the more likely outcome is the latter one. Bass' defense will firmly establish him as the team's backup power forward from season's beginning to end. That's not to say that Anderson won't play, though. He'll certainly see plenty of time--at least 20 minutes a game--during the first 10 games of the season, in which Lewis will serve a suspension for testing positive for a performance-enhancing substance. After that, he'll likely play spot minutes as a specialist against certain teams, or when the offense needs a lift from the outside.
With grateful acknowledgement to 3QC user 3.3seconds, who suggested this topic.
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by mhetrick14 on Sep 11, 2009 2:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think this is a great argument and one we’re fortunate to be having.
Anderson is a great substitute for Shard in respect to your positive notes and Bass is a much more aggressive player that is going to focus his efforts from 15 ft and in. With both of them on the floor and Gortat at C, the second team has a great chance at keeping momentum going if not having an exceptional chance to dominate the other team’s backups.
In fact, I think that SVG should take a good look at Anderson and give him as many minutes as possible during Rashard’s suspension. It will build his confidence and get him in the rhythm of the system and comfortable with Jameer as his PG.
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by nerditry on Sep 11, 2009 2:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Good thoughts.
This is a tough one to predict because Anderson exudes everything that’s perfect for the Magic offensive scheme – big man that can shoot the ball and spread the floor, effectively. He’s the perfect back-up for Lewis, simply for the fact he brings the same skill-set to the table and Orlando doesn’t have to miss a beat, in terms of playing the same style of offense. Bass will be a key contributor for the team, but the same could be said about Anderson. Nevertheless, as has already been stated, it’s a good problem to have.
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by erivera7 on Sep 11, 2009 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But the Magic are better for having multiple styles and players to play. Bass brings more defense and should rebound good, and playing different styles is what exploits other teams.
by derekk on Sep 11, 2009 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fiction
But having him and so many interchangeable weapons allows fo us to scheme any team and insulate against any non-superstar injury.
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by The Magic made Lebron run off the court on Sep 11, 2009 4:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
agree
we are so deep its not funny. otis is a great gm regardless of what the year turns out. best magic team in history imo. the jury is still out but i’ll go out on a limb.nelson,carter,lewis,bass,howard. not to mention the bench.
by magicman775 on Sep 11, 2009 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
FICTION...............
Brandon Bass could become in the next Dennis Rodman or Charles Oakley of the NBA, if Stan Van Gundy and his staff help him to improve his game and develop mentally toughness in the defense. Ryan Anderson still young and right now he is just a project for the Magic, maybe in a few years he prove me wrong but for the next season Brandon Bass is the man.
by roger40 on Sep 11, 2009 6:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Bass is far too poor a rebounder to be in the same class as Rodman or Oakley. And he’s an inferior defender to boot. Just look at his rate of rebounds/blocks/steals, they pale in comparison to the aforementioned players. He has the muscle and the toughness, but his lack of size is a severe detriment to playing inside. Indeed, from the handful of Mavs games I watched last year, I would venture to guess he has one of the highest rates of having his shot rejected in the league.
Anderson is a fine player, NOW. He’s a gifted shooter, has a better rebound rate and because he was only 20 years old last year, he has tremendous room for improvement. Bass, however, has likely reached his plateau.
by Madhouse on Sep 11, 2009 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bass isn't an inferior defender, that's definitely not correct when looking at the numbers.
Brandon’s lack of size in terms of height is made up for his massive wingspan.
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by erivera7 on Sep 11, 2009 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, I think Bass is an inferior defender to Rodman or Oakley.
Don’t get me wrong, I think Bass is a good defender. (It’s the one part of his game I actually like.) But there’s a few orders of magnitude between being a good defender and challenging those two guys.
He's currently two-thirds man, one-third amazing. Which, let's face it, is still a pretty good ratio.
by 3.3seconds on Sep 12, 2009 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bass is an inferior COMPARED to Rodman or Oakley. That's blatantly obvious.
I’m just saying that he’s not inferior, overall.
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by erivera7 on Sep 12, 2009 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
tried to make that point on another thread.
svg will love this guy bass. by the end of the year he will be playing a big roll in our game.
by magicman775 on Sep 12, 2009 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The problem is alot of people think we have the next coming of Horace Grant, but Bass is not there yet nor has played with the team at all yet. Its possible, but more likely a Battie-like role with better than that aging Battie we had last year. The team was its best 1 in 4 out.
by derekk on Sep 11, 2009 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ill add that out of all the PF/C FA’s/targets this summer, only McDyess truly seemed better than Bass and I mean for one more season better. Bass has a great chance and opportunity to be almost as big an add as Carter is.
by derekk on Sep 11, 2009 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fact
You could not ask for a better PF than Anderson, for they style the Magic play. He’s long, will become a deadeye three point shooter in the next year or so and has enough muscle and toughness to bang inside and give Dwight some backup on the boards,
It would behoove the Magic to develop this young stud as he’s likely the future, while Bass’ ceiling appears to be that of top-tier sub. In particular, if Anderson develops a midrange jump shot, he would be, hands-down, the best player to pair with Dwight as the two would complement each other perfectly. It would also allow SVG to move Lewis to the 3, where hes likely to take less of a beating, which would help in prolonging his career—in fact, I would argue that Anderson should move to the 4 as much to protect ’Shard as anything else, as no one is touching his contract and the Magic need to make sure Shard remains a decent player into his mid-thirties.
But, on principle, it would be nice to see the Magic actually develop some of their young talent instead of letting them languish at the end of the bench or giving up on them prematurely. Aside from the Celtics from ‘08, every championship team has spent years nurturing talent to maturity. And without Perkins, Rondo and Pierce the Celts wouldn’t have won last year anyway, so maybe they’re not the exception after all.
by Madhouse on Sep 11, 2009 6:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
good point on young players.
but how can you say bass hit his ceiling hes 24 years old. and plays darn good d. and look at andersons skills at the rim there is none.he gets blocked every other time he goes to the rim. bass will start this season bet on it.
by magicman775 on Sep 11, 2009 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bass' numbers haven't changed significantly since he's entered the NBA.
Brandon could certainly improve as a player, but it isn’t outlandish to say he’s reached a plateau.
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by erivera7 on Sep 11, 2009 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not sure
but i dont think he got alot of min. in no. know anything on that.
by magicman775 on Sep 12, 2009 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brandon has gotten consistent minutes the two years he spent with the Mavericks.
In both years, his statistical output was nearly the same. Looking at the numbers, nothing suggests to me that Bass is going to suddenly breakout. I just don’t see it.
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by erivera7 on Sep 13, 2009 8:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're right to suggest Anderson has a problem with getting blocked.
30% of his close-range non-dunk shots (layups, etc.) were blocked last year. That was worse than any Net except Yi Jianlian, and worse than anyone who played for the Magic last year…
But that was last year, and this is this year. We now have a player who was blocked on 29% of those shots in ‘08-’09. Care to guess who that might be?
He's currently two-thirds man, one-third amazing. Which, let's face it, is still a pretty good ratio.
by 3.3seconds on Sep 11, 2009 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, not really.
Unless you consider 30% to 29% a statistically significant advantage.
He's currently two-thirds man, one-third amazing. Which, let's face it, is still a pretty good ratio.
by 3.3seconds on Sep 12, 2009 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
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by erivera7 on Sep 12, 2009 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even if Bass and Anderson have the same % of their shots blocked inside,
Anderson still has an advantage because so many of his fg attempts are 3’s, a percentage which will only increase as his 3-fg % improves. Comparatively, I would guess a smaller % of his shot attempts are within the circle.
by Madhouse on Sep 12, 2009 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The details
Bass got 59% of his shots on jumpers, 23% on lay-ups etc., and 16% on dunks. For Anderson, those numbers are 58%, 34% and 5%. So actually, they both take the same ratio of jumpers to inside shots. And I’ll admit Bass is the more effective inside scorer, largely because of all those dunks. (That’s a lot of dunks.) But as you said, threes are threes — and the Magic’s offense likes a PF who can shoot threes.
He's currently two-thirds man, one-third amazing. Which, let's face it, is still a pretty good ratio.
by 3.3seconds on Sep 12, 2009 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe we have one more player to worry about getting minutes
found this here
is it true are we signing Linton Johnson. wow 2 players on the bench wearing suits.
Thats me chilling with Nick Anderson
by The Magic made Lebron run off the court on Sep 12, 2009 9:05 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'll believe it when I see it.
I haven’t heard anything about the Magic signing him.
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by erivera7 on Sep 12, 2009 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah I found it on a google search this morning, Just thought it was neat
I have no clue who he is anyways
Thats me chilling with Nick Anderson
by The Magic made Lebron run off the court on Sep 12, 2009 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's a journeyman, no one of particular significance.
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by erivera7 on Sep 12, 2009 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No they don't.
He’s on a training camp contract, from the looks of it. Unless he blows them away, he won’t make the team.
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by Ben Q Rock on Sep 12, 2009 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
#14?
Linton Johnson
o.k. i guess
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by The Magic made Lebron run off the court on Sep 12, 2009 9:13 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ryan Anderson won’t surpass Brandon Bass until his defense is above average … and I’m very doubtful about that happening this season.
Down the road though, I’d be disappointed in Anderson if he failed to overtake Bass. Ryan has good potential and a great opportunity in front of him.
by NBR on Sep 15, 2009 7:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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