UPDATED - Orlando Magic News for August 31st: Examining Jameer Nelson, Talking to Otis Smith, a C.J. Watson Update, and More
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Top 50: Jameer Nelson, no. 48
Tzvi Twersky of SLAM ONLINE ranks the best players in the NBA. At #48, All-Star point guard Jameer Nelson dons the list. A must-read article (seriously).When Meer was young and still in high school, local cats used to whisper about the prodigy. Based on the trickle of talk that fell my way, I was picturing this 6-2 pg created by God strictly to dribble the rock and crack unworthy defenders. So when I saw him on local TV during his senior year at Chester, I was surprised as hell—dude was 5-11 and chubby. That couldn’t be the Meer I was hearing all the talk about. Hell no! A little less than two hours and four quarters later, I was a believer: Jameer may have had a body like Beanie Sigel (OK, it wasn’t that bad) but he had the heart of Hercules. [...]
All most people remember now is the shot that Derek Fisher hit over him in the Finals. I remember everything leading up to that: From the undersized kid playing on for Chester to the little PG dominating at SJU, from hosting all of his teammates for a week of bonding before every season to losing his father in a sad accident on the Delaware River, from seeing little action early in Orlando to making the All-Star game, from being shut down for the year to showing grit and guile by making it back for the Finals, I remember every step along the journey. One that continues this year with Nelson as a top NBA player on a Title contender. -
UPDATE (from Ben) One-on-One with Otis
Scott Anez of WDBO updates his Magic blog with a conversation he had with Magic GM Otis Smith. The whole thing is worth a read, but this excerpt is the one that stood out to me the most:S... With Hedo [Turkoglu] in Toronto now and with [Brandon] Bass here in Orlando, do you think that your team transforms from more of a three-point shooting team to more of a conventional club?
O... I think we'll be similar. I think when you look at our roster now, you see quite a bit of versatility. We can play multiple ways. I don't think that changes anything. I think if ya wanna play big, we can play big. If ya wanna play small, we can play small. I think we have probably one of the most versatile rosters out there as far as playing multiple styles. The three-point ball has been good to us because we make teams pay for doubling Dwight [Howard] and it also keeps the floor spread and allows him to work, so, I am not sure that's gonna change a ton.
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Warriors to Sign Moore, Watson Staying
Matt Steinmetz reports C.J. Watson will stay with the Golden State Warriors.Also, it appears the Warriors will be re-signing C.J. Watson, who has been the subject of sign-and-trade rumors this summer with the Orlando Magic.
Watson announced to his Twitter followers that he'll be staying with the team. Watson had said two weeks ago that he'd rather play for the Magic than the Warriors.
Watson will likely agree to a three-year, $4.5 million contract that has been in front of him for much of the summer. - Team Continuity, Part I
Neil Paine of Basketball-Reference previews what looks to be an interesting series - specifically, Continuity Scores (continuity being the % of team minutes being filled by players who were on the roster the season before) and their relevance to retrodicting a team's future performance in an upcoming year.
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Covering the Basics of Rebounding
Coach Bruchu of the X's & O's of Basketball examines the fundamentals of rebounding. Here's an excerpt:Rebounding is all about attitude, determination, and aggressiveness. Some players have bodies that are better fitted to being successful rebounders (tall, long arms, high jumpers), but unless they have the right mindset, I've seen great athletes be average or below average rebounders because of their attitude. A great habit to constantly reinforce during practices is to keep the ball from hitting the floor at all during any rebounding situation.
Dwight Howard, anyone? -
Watson Takes Qualifying Offer From Golden State
UPDATE 2: It's official.C.J. Watson has decided to pass on Golden State's three-year, $5.6 million extension and will sign for the qualifying offer worth just over $1 million, multiple sources confirmed to RealGM's Alex Kennedy.
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I'll take Nash at 6 at this point in his career.
But I had to choke down quite a bit of vomit when I saw Kobe Bryant at no. 1.
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by Diosnomeama on Aug 31, 2009 2:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That was last year's version of the Slam 50.
But given that Kobe’s Lakers won the title, it’s hard to imagine Slam dropping him from the top spot.
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by Ben Q Rock on Aug 31, 2009 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Foolish, but understandable.
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by erivera7 on Aug 31, 2009 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice to see you guys are back to work =)
its been a couple days but nice comeback, eddy! When Jameer lost his father, it definitely affected his play, let alone what it probably did to his pysche. i remember wanting to trade Jameer so bad, back in the day, and then he got his extension; i was pissed. i doubted that he could come back and step it up and he has certainly proved me, and all the other doubters, wrong with an allstar performance. Now, coming off another season where he and all his fans expected more, he is faced with another shitty situation where some are asking if he can bounce back. I have faith that Jameer wont let Fish or anyone else shoot uncontested threes in the finals.
by lugowsky on Aug 31, 2009 3:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Nelson will be hungry, I know that for a fact.
I think Jameer will be just fine in the upcoming season.
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by erivera7 on Aug 31, 2009 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
RE: Watson
I’m still holding out hope until an official announcement is made by the Warriors that he has re-signed…
Let's observe a moment of silence for CLee, Skip to my Lou, Batman, and The Michael Jordan of Turkey...
Welcome Back Polish Hammer and Adonal Foyle, and Welcome Vinsanity, Ryan Anderson, Brandon Bass, and Matt Barnes!!
by malars on Aug 31, 2009 3:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, that's why I went ahead and posted an update for those that cared.
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by erivera7 on Aug 31, 2009 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There are rebounders with a preternatural ability to understand the timing and spacial facets like Rodman, Howard and I think Blake Griffin. It’s the ability to be in the right place to get the rebound, the positioning to deny the rebound and having patience that can be split into fractions of second.
I think you’re born with it, or you’re not.
!Nerd Up
by nerditry on Aug 31, 2009 4:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think we need to see Griffin against NBA level competition before we include him in that conversation with the likes of Rodman and Howard, no?
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by malars on Aug 31, 2009 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, that's a bit presumptuous to say.
Griffin needs to prove something.
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by erivera7 on Aug 31, 2009 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dont agree
How can a hurt Kevin Garnett and a hurt Amare Stoudemire be listed higher than Defensive player of the year/Dunk leader/ Rebounding leader and FT attempts leader (D-12)?
Is it me or does EVERYBODY undervalue and hate on Dwight?
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by The Magic made Lebron run off the court on Aug 31, 2009 6:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That was last year.
Ergo, 2008. Take a closer look at the dates.
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by erivera7 on Aug 31, 2009 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oops
I still think dwight was better than 10th
booo
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by The Magic made Lebron run off the court on Aug 31, 2009 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
New Update on Watson:
He signed the 1-year qualifying offer…we should be able to get him next summer…
by Magic fan in Polk on Aug 31, 2009 8:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Been listening to his teammate SJax?
makin’ a plan to get out of town?
by magicfaninTN on Aug 31, 2009 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In terms of his overall future, it makes sense for Watson to sign a one year QO.
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by erivera7 on Aug 31, 2009 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Makes no sense that GS didn't accept Otis' trade offer if they are more than likely gonna lose him next year anyway and are guard heavy.
I don’t get it!
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by malars on Aug 31, 2009 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dont care what ANYONE says!
this upcoming season, the Magic are stacked and possibly the right player or two away from that elusive championship (dont get me wrong, im thrilled with the team we have now!). but if you were Golden State, would be trying to hand Orlando over that possible championship, essentially by giving them CJ Watson? Or would you keep him in your back pocket, at next to nothing for another year? I understand that Orlando and GS aren’t in the same division, let alone the same conference, but they might not want to be responsible for providing us the last bit of fire power we presumably need to win it all.
by lugowsky on Sep 1, 2009 3:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm pretty sure the Warriors could care less whether or not they're "helping" the Magic.
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by erivera7 on Sep 1, 2009 6:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
im pretty sure they do care
that they are helping another team other than their own.
by lugowsky on Sep 1, 2009 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If the Magic win a championship, the Warriors wouldn't care.
It’s not like the Warriors are title contenders. They don’t care if someone they trade winds up putting another team over the top.
Now if Watson played for, say, the Cavaliers, then they wouldn’t trade him to another contending team like the Magic.
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by Ben Q Rock on Sep 1, 2009 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i still dont buy it!
why would they sign him back, unless theyre gonna trade monte. not to much of a market for CJ other than us.
by lugowsky on Sep 1, 2009 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because he has value.
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by erivera7 on Sep 1, 2009 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i dont think the magic are gonna give anything up for him
not unless they want redick or foyle
by lugowsky on Sep 2, 2009 3:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They offered plenty. Nothing crazy, but fair value for Watson.
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by erivera7 on Sep 2, 2009 6:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the magic offered a trade for CJ Watson?
who did they put on the table?
by lugowsky on Sep 2, 2009 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL.
This is old, old news. Orlando offered a first round pick, Anthony Johnson (expiring contract), and $1 million in cash.
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by erivera7 on Sep 2, 2009 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A player away?
Our roster is stacked now and as much as I want to see CJ on our squad I hardly think a backup PG is going to decide whether or not we win a title. Our starting PG and new additions are going to decide that.
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by The Magic made Lebron run off the court on Sep 1, 2009 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But at this point, he’ll most likely rot at the end of the bench and then get nothing for him next year. That was my point!
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by malars on Sep 1, 2009 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And i agree with your point malars
thats why GS is offering a contract, not bc hes gonna play but bc he would elevating the team that is most actively pursing him to a championship.
by lugowsky on Sep 1, 2009 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's not the reason.
Again, the Warriors could care less about the Magic in that regard.
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by erivera7 on Sep 1, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unfortunatey, he'll be restricted again next summer.
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by Ben Q Rock on Aug 31, 2009 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you sure, Ben?
Cause this link Warriors beatwriter Marcus Thompson says different…
http://www.ibabuzz.com/warriors/2009/08/31/watson-taking-a-gamble/
by Magic fan in Polk on Sep 1, 2009 5:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Positive. He's only a two-year veteran (going on 3), so if he takes the QO, he'll be a RFA next summer.
From Larry Coon’s cap FAQ, question 39:
This strategy [signing a QO in order to enter free agency again] obviously would not be effective for players who would continue to be subject to restricted free agency. For example, if a second round pick completes a two year contract, he will be subject to restricted free agency. If he accepts his qualifying offer and plays an additional season with his previous team, he would be a three year veteran the following summer and still subject to restricted free agency.
Watson went undrafted in ‘06 and didn’t join the NBA until ‘07, but the point remains: he’ll only be a three-year veteran next summer, so the Warriors will retain his RFA rights.
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by Ben Q Rock on Sep 1, 2009 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ben...
I personally don’t know anything about contract talks…I have a friend on another website who says this…
The four yr RFA rule only applies to first round picks. 2nd Round picks & undrafted free agents are governed by a three year RFA rule.
Next year CJ WILL be an URFA.
by Magic fan in Polk on Sep 1, 2009 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought
if a restricted free agent signs a QO, then they are unrestricted the following year? What am I missing?
by Eric9321 on Sep 1, 2009 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Big Question!
You nailed it Eric…every website I’ve seen talking about C.J. has a different take…wish I knew the correct answer myself…
by Magic fan in Polk on Sep 1, 2009 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Read above.
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by erivera7 on Sep 1, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ugh, Watson!
Can’t hate too much on GSW though, the Dubs are my hometown team.
But dang, the perfect situation was here.
by thermodynamic on Aug 31, 2009 11:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Another Watson Update:
According to this link C.J. has publically stated he’ll take the QO but has not signed a contract yet…Meanwhile, the Warriors have upped their offer…
The soap opera continues…
by Magic fan in Polk on Sep 1, 2009 1:53 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I already posted that link in the post.
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by erivera7 on Sep 1, 2009 6:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thats Pretty Funny...
you dont think that a backup PG, “is going to decide whether or not we win a title.”
Uh…did you watch the Magic play last year? im not saying that was the only reason but, i certainly didnt help. what if…. ( and i swear, i hope this does NOT happen) …something like that happens again? since, you know this is a good possibility, you try to prepare for the worst. i would feel more comfortable with someone other than J-Will at the backup. i would like to upgrade but i know we dont have much more wiggle room and im not willing to part with anyone on our team right now.
by lugowsky on Sep 1, 2009 1:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
no I dont
because we have a BIG bargaining chip (Gortat) so long as an untimely injury doesnt happen after the deadline.
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by The Magic made Lebron run off the court on Sep 1, 2009 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even if the Magic acquired Watson, it'd make no difference in the grand scheme of things.
If Nelson were to go down, the team is screwed regardless.
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by erivera7 on Sep 1, 2009 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
we may be screwed without Jameer
but that doesnt mean that you write off the season if he goes down. you get out there and compete, regardless. (just like last year). which is why, in the grand scheme of things, someone like Watson might matter. and why is everybody so intent on trading Gortat, we’re gonna need him!
by lugowsky on Sep 1, 2009 2:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It just doesn't seem like the Magic intend to keep Gortat long-term
Thats for economic reasons more than anything else. Its a hefty contract for a backup (not that they haven’t done that before though)
Just seems like they chose to keep him as he could be a valuable bargaining chip down the road, as opposed to simply having him walk away.
by RussL on Sep 1, 2009 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's going to be extremely difficult to trade Gortat this season.
In my opinion, I think the Magic have every intention of keeping Marcin around for the year because they know that, ultimately, he can help them win a title and they know he can help them out.
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by erivera7 on Sep 1, 2009 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
how does it "seem" like the Magic are going to trade Gortat?
what have the Magic said or done that would make you think that? facts point to quit the opposite. SVG and Otis have numerously stated how highly they regard Gortat’s effort and progression. on top of that, they have invested about five years and plenty of money in Marsh’s to just trade him away.
by lugowsky on Sep 2, 2009 3:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because the team can't afford to pay him beyond this season.
Just because SVG and Otis have said they intend to keep him, doesn’t mean they intend to keep him. I fully expect Marcin to be around for this year, but after that, all bets are off.
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by erivera7 on Sep 2, 2009 6:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i dont think we should trade Gortat
Only that PART of the reason we signed him is because he is a big bargaining chip should we lose a player to injury.
Personally I think it is the teams best interest to keep him and play him 15-20 mins a game. by putting him or D12 at the 4 for a stretch here or there.
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by The Magic made Lebron run off the court on Sep 1, 2009 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dwight and Marcin will rarely see floor time, together.
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by erivera7 on Sep 1, 2009 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Watson will be an RFA if the Warriors want him to be.
by Sham-onnnnnnnnnnna on Sep 1, 2009 6:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I like the idea of playing Dwight less
and giving Marsh some time on the floor. He’s not the greastest offensively, but even D12 doesnt have it fully down on that side of the court, as far as finesse goes. (i especially love their ages for being centers) I recall thinking to myself that SVG often times played him when the game was in the bag. this year, i feel like, screw the stats, put him on the bench and let Marsh in a little earlier. im sure thats what we’ll see more of this year. look for Marsh to impress despite all the attention about him being upset over staying. he’s wearing nike VC’s now baby, their nice to play in, trust me.
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