The Orlando Magic sent Rafer Alston to New Jersey earlier this summer because they didn't want a point guard controversy brewing this season.
They are going to have one now. It's only a matter of time.
By signing veteran point guard Jason Williams – a starter for the 2006 NBA champion Miami Heat – the Magic have opened the door to a world of late-game second guessing, especially if starter Jameer Nelson can't deliver consistently and keep the Magic atop the Eastern Conference standings.
And that's a real possibility.
I have to politely disagree with Potvak because I think he's reaching here. Jason Williams is no better than Anthony Johnson, and he's supposed to now be a threat to take Jameer Nelson's starting job away? Let's be realistic here.
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Yea...
I’d have to disagree also…theres a lot bigger disparity in talent between J-will and Jameer as opposed to Rafar and Jameer. Something very crazy would have to happen for this to become an issue.
Uh, yeah, there's no controversy. Jameer's going to play the crucial, late-game minutes, unless he's injured.
Williams’ winning a tite with Miami in 2006 doesn’t do anything to change Nelson’s status as the team’s closer.
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how about that article yesterday about how dwight will leave the magic now that he has a role in a movie
Nah' mean, nah'm sayin
this is just a guy trying to create drama when it does not exist, i feel this is a good move and i feel relieved that we did not get c.j cause you never know what the late first round pick could be….
Eh, I'd rather have Watson than a late first round pick.
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I think Povtak's fine, but he's off-base here
If anything, I wanted a more consistent third-stringer than Williams.
by gift of the magi on Aug 19, 2009 10:39 PM EDT reply actions
Well, let's just say Otis didn't have a lot of choices.
Can’t be picky at this point. Find a guy that’s a decent fit, and make it work.
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Right now I think he's 2nd string
They need a floor leader in the second unit, its too important. Very evident during the playoffs when Rafer went out.
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by ben_gleicher on Aug 20, 2009 8:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Johnson is as much of a floor leader as Williams is.
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Did I miss something?
A) When did Jameer’s ego become so fragile? I don’t get it. Jameer—team building week organizer Jameer—is going to feel threatened by our 3rd string PG (2nd string at best)? For cryin’ out loud. Give the man some credit.
B) Does Tim realize it’s not 2006? Who wouldn’t wish Williams to be awesome but there is that pesky thing called “aging” and “a year of retirement” to consider…
It’s beginning to look a lot like August.
by Stan in a Van (Down by the River) on Aug 19, 2009 10:42 PM EDT reply actions
here's the scenario
this columnist is merely peering into a hypothetical. While no one is saying it now, if Nelson plays poorly while Williams plays spectacularly, rumblings might start that Nelson is not a championship leading PG. This could become especially, if say, Nelson goes down injured for a brief portion next season. This will be added to Nelson’s unspectacular (if not rushed) return from injury in the Finals.
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Too bad that "hypothetical" will probably never happen.
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yeah
but then pretty much everyone outside of Orlando said they’d probably never make it to the Finals last season.
anything can happen.
"The problem actually is that PER is a extra-long, double high wagon load of horse crap." - timbo (7/3/09)
I can almost guarantee that Nelson won't play terribly and Williams won't play spectacularly.
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Eh....
I think he’s reaching….but maybe not as far as most of you think. It really all hinges on how Jameer comes back. There is no question that Meer is the leader of this team, and SVG must know that. However, if Jameer isn’t at all-star form three or four weeks into the season SVG is going to have to look at other options to create a spark and get the team going.
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I’m fine with it.
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Ok, I'm on your side, but not as far as you think.
Jameer covers the largest portion of the game. He’s the starter. He’s the leader. But J-Will screams for situational use. He’s a great passer. I don’t think it’s much of a stretch to imagine that neither age nor retirement have changed that. In offensive situations, where SVG wants specific things to happen. I could see J-will picking up very limited, but potentially important minutes. Not regularly, and not in a manner that would shame Jameer, but I see it potentially hapenning. I think J-Will is probably a significantly better passer than Jameer, and that’s what I’m basing this off of.
Significantly better passer? Actually, that's incorrect.
Jameer is a better distributor than Jason.
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I believe ppl are impressed with his no-look passes
But of course,that doesn’t make you a better passer.
Just more attractive one.
Williams IS a better passer
In terms of skill, not production. The same way Vince is a better dunker than Dwight, even though Dwight does it 5-6 times as often. Williams has tremendous vision, and has a little height/length on Jameer.
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by ben_gleicher on Aug 20, 2009 8:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Sure, in skill, but not in production.
In the end, production matters more than skill. Most of the times, at least.
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No controversy at all
Potvak stirring up trouble before the season even starts.
Williams took a year off, so he has no reason to think he’s going to come back and be a starter in any team. Jason will probably compete for the top backup spot, which might cause AJ to be a trade piece for a young PG if Nelson gets hurt again.
Alston brought things that Jameer didn’t. Namely, more size, defense, and veteran presence. J-Will’s defense isn’t as good and he’s smaller than Rafer. But he’s a good, efficient (post-Sacramento) passer, which means our second unit offense will probably look good, but will the drop off will be noticeable enough where there will be no controversy.
More size? Jameer is stronger than Rafer.
Nelson was, statistically, a slightly better defender than Alston.
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Well, he makes an point that VC is alot more scoring-oriented than Hedo Turkoglu, which is true but not to the point of an issue. VC has a better assist ratio I think and nearly 5APG a game like Turk. VC’s ready to play title-level teamwork. Williams would maybe be better for a much more offensive team, but you dont see Boston cheering Rondo always, they really wish he had something called a shot despite Rondo’s insane performance in every single other aspect. That just goes to show the importance of shooting from anywhere, and really well too. You know SVG already told Meer to practice his shot this summer. You know why? Its not even something he needs to work on. It’s because he wants Nelson taking a ton of shots. He is the team’s best shooter and captain PG and he still played a tune of nearly 6APG, with now VC, Barnes, Bass in the fold its easier to get assists than before when it was Clee, Battie, Turk, and SVG still wants Nelson taking as many good shots as Nelson can handle. Do you know when the Magic actually looked the scariest in the regular season? It was when they pulled out a perfect West road trip against all top 3 west teams (Nuggets, Spurs, Lakers; and really all that period of the season), when Nelson was balling like 17PPG and 6APG, and Turkoglu seeing his production slip to about 14PPG and poorer %‘s than his MIP season. Jameer can reach 17 PPG, 6-7APG this season. Dwight around the same as last season but hopefully with more PPG (and efficiently too). VC is ready to adjust and make sure the team plays its game, and he doesnt need a poorer, older shooter like Jason to be with him just because he may or may not be a slightly better passer. VC already knows how to handle situations, and very well usually I might add. Better than Turkoglu. Wonder how many Magic games we’ll watch this season and think Oh great, here’s the trademark Magic sleepwalk where they score 8 points in a quarter to the other’s 20? How could so critical Turkoglu have let all that happen so much? Dont count on VC letting those breakdowns happen again. And that leads to playoff performances like the one where Magic was barely beating Boston KG-less in most games. Does this guy really think VC is not going to do better than Turk? That Jason is going to be the starting PG there? Taking critical shots?
Nelson is the youngest, best shooting and a clearly well established floor general PG who found a majority of Eastern conference COACHING staffs ..(you know, those dudes who actually do/understand X’s and O’s for plays and players, instead of X’ing out a player in a web article with journalism and fanatic credentials).. deeming Nelson worthy of All Star status.
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White Chocolate will be a serviceable back-up, and I think that one reason for signing him would be that he would know his role in this situation.
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Pretty much.
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Jameer Nelson was an all-star this season. Enough said.
People have a short term memory…all they remember is Jameer in the Finals. That is not the real Jameer. Oh yeah…that’s right nobody knows the real Jameer cause no one in America knew the Orlando Magic even existed till June 1st. I expect more from Potvak…he follows the team. Man, how the offseason wears on people and causes them to make up stories.
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I like Tim and he's a friend, but he's reaching here.
Like I said.
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Color me confused
If J-Will is an issue, and he may be I suppose (although he hasn’t had any major public gaffe’s since his Sac days), can’t the Magic just cut him?
What I don’t understand, and what I don’t agree with is that J-Will is anything but a protection in case of injury. How hard is that? I don’t think it’s the best signing by the Magic, but their isn’t many bargain’s right now to be had for Orlando.
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Williams won't be an issue. Not in the sense that you're thinking of.
The Magic could theoretically cut him, but would be unwise in doing so.
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I wasn't saying that he was
I just stated it very awkwardly.
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Williams might play over Johnson. MIGHT.
Honestly, though, I don’t understand this — we need a guy who can eat up minutes if Jameer misses time, because AJ can’t go more than 20-25 a night at most. And who do we get? A 37-year-old man who didn’t even play pro ball last year. Even if he doesn’t shoot 32%, and even if he’s not a defensive disaster, he’s not the third-string point we need.
He's currently two-thirds man, one-third amazing. Which, let's face it, is still a pretty good ratio.
I don't see the issue.
At the most, either Johnson or Williams will see 10-15 minutes a night. That’s it.
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The biggest issue is D
I wonder how that will fly.
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Otis wanted a set up guy not a defender
He’s banking on the rest of the team to cover him. Otis just doesn’t consider defense a priority in a backup point guard, and wisely so.
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by ben_gleicher on Aug 20, 2009 8:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah I wasn't talking about Otis
I was talking about SVG.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Yes, but if Jameer gets injured?
I just don’t see how Johnson and Williams could cover 48 minutes a night… they’d both be testing their stamina.
He's currently two-thirds man, one-third amazing. Which, let's face it, is still a pretty good ratio.
They could.
Williams can play 30 minutes, A.J. 18. Not a big issue. Plus if something like last year happened, Vince can switch over to the point where he is very effective.
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by ben_gleicher on Aug 20, 2009 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't see an issue.
Williams stated he can carry a heavy load, and I believe him.
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3.3 is right.
He is not the J-Wil from couple of years ago-he just can’t be. He’s not the solution for our 3rd PG situation,but I believe he’ll do the trick short-term.
Let’s just call him: the answer to Shaq move.
I'd even dispute that the Rafer trade was to avoid a PG controversy
It was because Nelson was clearly the #1 going forward, and Alston clearly wouldn’t be happy as a #2. There was no controversy, there was just a situation that would obviously lead to tension and poor chemistry.
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Correct, that's partly why Alston was traded.
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The other part being to get a hall of fame SG
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by ben_gleicher on Aug 20, 2009 8:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Of course.
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Not to be a naysayer
But you could very much argue that the Magic got far more value out of the 1st round pick by virtue of getting Vinsanity.
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I feel stupid now
Earlier this month I said J. Williams was not on our radar. Wow was I wrong. But having J. Williams does little to inspire me, personally I am a little disapointed in this move.
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by The Magic made Lebron run off the court on Aug 20, 2009 8:23 AM EDT reply actions
lulz
How quickly people forget how good Nelson actually was. It would take a major drop off for him to be under threat.
Exactly...
Being that Nelson has always played w/a chip on his shoulder, all this negativity will probly motivate him even more than just the desire to come back strong and make another All-Star team.
















