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Orlando Magic & Retired Jerseys: Recap

Photo is courtesy of the Orlando Magic.

Photo is courtesy of the Orlando Magic.

For roughly a week's worth of time, I analyzed the worthiness of four former Orlando Magic players to see if one of them deserved to have their jersey retired. I examined their impact on the court and off the court to decipher whether or not there was an individual that possessed the "complete" package to be honored - a.) having comparable numbers to other players in the NBA that have their numbers hanging in the rafters and b.) having impacts in the Central Florida community.

 

Part I | Part II | Part III | Part IV

 

To supplement the posts, I included polls to figure out what people thought of each individual.

 

Here are the results, so far:

 

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It's clear, when looking at the poll figures, that fans believe Nick Anderson is a former Magic player that most deserves to have his jersey retired by Orlando.

 

No surprise.

 

Darrell Armstrong received slightly favorable support, Anfernee 'Penny' Hardaway was in the middle of the pack, and Shaquille O'Neal received heavily unfavorable support. None of these results should be too surprising for those that follow the Magic, given that they fall in line with the feelings and perceptions of each player. 

 

I wanted to conduct one last exercise in this mini-series before concluding things, and that was to utilize Benjamin Golliver's jersey retirement formula from Blazersedge & figure out how each former Orlando individual fared in the calculations.

 

Ben performed a number-crunch for Nick Anderson so I went ahead and tallied up the data for Darrell Armstrong, Anfernee 'Penny' Hardaway, and Shaquille O'Neal.

 

Click after the jump for the results.

 

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Introduction:

 

The majority of the calculations are no-brainers but in cases where awarding points isn't clear, I attached notes to explain my reasoning. If you're antsy or impatient [!!], feel free to skip to the bottom to see the point totals.

 

  1. Criterion One: Connection with the Franchise

    Ben explains:

    To determine how closely a player is connected with a franchise, one generally assesses 4 conditions:

    1. Did the player play his most important years with the team?

    2. Did the player play the majority of his career with the team?

    3. Was the player drafted by the team?

    4. Did the player retire with the team?

    Armstrong - 3.5 points (meets conditions #1, #2, and #3 [sort of]) 
    Hardaway - 4 points (meets conditions #1, #2, and #3)
    O'Neal - 2 points (meets conditions #3) 

    Notes: Even though Armstrong wasn't drafted by the Orlando Magic, he still did begin his career with the team as an undrafted free-agent. As for Hardaway, he was with the squad for six full seasons and was with the Phoenix Suns for five & a half full seasons (traded mid-season to the New York Knicks in 2003-2004).

  2. Criterion Two: Success with the Franchise

    From Ben:

    Judging a player's relative success across generations can be tricky, but its clear two factors are important to consider: the maximum success his team's enjoyed and his role in creating that success.

    Ask yourself, "Can the story of the franchise's glory days be told without mentioning this player?"

    To weigh both the team's success and the player's role in that sucess, I gave 5 points to a star on a championship team, 5 points to a starter on championship team, 5 points to a star on a finalist team, 4 points to a role player on a finalist team and 4 points to a starter on a finalist team.

    Armstrong - 2 points (courtesy) 
    Hardaway - 5 points (star on 1995 NBA Finals team) 
    O'Neal - 5 points (star on 1995 NBA Finals team) 

    Notes: Armstrong didn't meet any of the requirements (side note: technically, he was on the roster of the 1995 NBA Finals team), so he was given 2 courtesy points for being the face of the 'Heart and Hustle' era.

  3. Criterion Three: Statistical Body of Work

    Golliver:

    Ask yourself, "How dominant (and for how long) was this player?"

    In assigning the points in this category, I took into account: league-leading tallies, franchise/league records, double-doubles, 10+ year careers, and anything else that truly jumps out of the box score/ stat sheet.

    Armstrong - 2.5 points 
    Hardaway - 5 points 
    O'Neal - 5 points 

    Notes: Armstrong's numbers with the Magic were comparable to Nick's numbers (not aggregate, but per minute), but he did not possess any franchise-records. However, Armstrong was among the league-leaders in free throw percentage and steals percentage during his prime. In total,Armstrong matched Nick Anderson in some ways, but not in others. Ben gave 3.5 points to Anderson; I gave 2.5 points to Armstrong.

  4. Criterion Four: Individual Awards

    Golliver:

    Ask, "What are the standout individual achievements on this player's resume and how do they compare to other franchise greats?"

    Armstrong - 2 points (1999 Most Improved Player Award, 1999 Sixth Man Award) 
    Hardaway - 5 points (click here for list)
    O'Neal - 5 points (click here for list)

    Notes: N/A

  5. Criterion Five: The Intangibles

    Golliver:

    This section takes into account the player's personality, contributions to the community and investment in the organization.

    Ask yourself, "Is the player a credit to the organization, the city and the league?"

    [....]

    While this category is certainly subjective, it is only 20% of the overall picture so haggling over a point up or down should not make or break a candidate's application.

    Armstrong - 5 points
    Hardaway - 2 points
    O'Neal - 1 point

    Notes: Hardaway and O'Neal were certainly local legends, fan favorites, and playoff heros during their time with Orlando, but their amiable departures penalize both players. Armstrong possesses as much intangibles, if not more, than either Hardaway and O'neal had, but without the negative sentiments attached.

    Likewise, Armstrong gets rewarded for becoming a coach in the NBA.

Conclusion:

 

Darrell Armstrong - 15 points

Penny 'Anfernee' Hardaway - 21 points

Shaquille O'Neal - 18 points

 

Notes: Cutoff for "eligibility" is in the 15-17 range on the scale.

 

 

The total points awarded to each individual pass the eye test.

 

Even though Hardaway did leave Orlando on shaky ground, the amount of collateral damage he caused doesn't quite compare to O'Neal's handiwork. As for Armstrong, his intangibles, which were excellent, make up for his numbers, which were good but not great. It can be argued that Armstrong is, at best, a "fringe" candidate to have his jersey retired by the Orlando Magic. As for Hardaway and O'Neal, it'd be a no-brainer to honor both players by hanging their numbers in the arena rafters if it wasn't for the fact that both players burned bridges on their way out of the City Beautiful. 

 

Between the two, Hardaway probably has the better chance of possibly getting his number retired since he hasn't - ahem - said almost anything derogatory or negative towards Orlando since he was traded four scores and seven years ago 10 years ago. Heck, former Magic rookie Courtney Lee even went out of his way to honor Hardaway by donning Air Penny's during the 2009 NBA Finals against the Los Angeles Lakers. That should count for something, right? 

 

"So you're telling me there's a chance."

 

Yes, Penny.

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Thanks. Always nice to get some positive pub.

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by erivera7 on Aug 18, 2009 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I didn't know that C.Lee rocked the Air Pennys!

Do you have a picture of that by any chance?? Man…Courtney would of a been a super long term asset for the team! Commemorating franchise history in such a way means a lot to fans, especially when a player does it.

Spreading that Calgary Flames, Montreal Expos, The U, and Orlando Magic love.

by KingJafi on Aug 18, 2009 3:45 PM EDT reply actions  

I attached a link.

Give it a gander, it’s a pretty sight!

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by erivera7 on Aug 18, 2009 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

The link doesn't work.

Spreading that Calgary Flames, Montreal Expos, The U, and Orlando Magic love.

by KingJafi on Aug 18, 2009 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Try it now.

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by erivera7 on Aug 18, 2009 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

It works now. Thanks!

Pretty dope.

Spreading that Calgary Flames, Montreal Expos, The U, and Orlando Magic love.

by KingJafi on Aug 19, 2009 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Generally fair scores, though a minor quibble

…Over which reasonable minds can disagree. For categories 4 and 5, I think it makes sense to look at a player’s entire of body of work, not just with the Magic.

Following this logic, I would give Penny a 4 for statistical body of work (because he was great while healthy but did not have a long career) and 4.5 for individual awards (no MVP). (Note also that the Magic did not draft Penny, though he was traded to us immediately afterwords. You can argue whether Penny deserves 4 points for category 1. I think 4 points is fine.)

So my score for Penny would be a 19.5 rather than a 21. It’s still high enough to merit consideration.

by gift of the magi on Aug 18, 2009 8:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Understandable.

I did try to figure out how I wanted to award Penny and Shaq, and ultimately, I felt that their accomplishments with the Magic was more relevant in this exercise than what they did for their careers. Theoretically, Orlando wouldn’t be retiring Hardaway’s or O’Neal’s jerseys for what they did elsewhere, but for what they did with the Magic. When putting that into consideration, I felt awarding both players the full 5 points made sense, given everything they accomplished (as individuals and as part of a team).

Valid points, however.

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by erivera7 on Aug 18, 2009 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

A recap of my votes, in case anyone cares

Anderson – yes
Armstrong – yes
Penny – nope (didn’t play here long enough, left on bad [but not awful] terms)
Shaq – emphatic no (didn’t play here long enough, left on truly hideous terms, continues to bash city/team)

About the only other player who merits discussion is Dwight Howard. He’s a virtual lock, provided he plays another few more years here.

by Ben Q Rock on Aug 18, 2009 9:08 PM EDT reply actions  

Intangibles

Couldn’t we give Shaq a negative 1 for his overall effect on the franchise? Maybe I’m just being bitter.

by gatormcd54 on Aug 18, 2009 10:49 PM EDT reply actions  

that's similar to what i previously suggested as well. i think the scale for intangibles should be -2 to 5

E — thanks for pulling together this sumary, and nice job applying the system. Anyone could quibble with a point or 2 here or there, but I thought your applications (and conclusions) were true and sound.

I suggested before that I thought maybe the Golliver system had a flaw b/c it overly emphasizes career accomplishments vis-a-vis team accomplishments and tenure. For example, under this formula, I think Gary Payton would score a 17-18 with the Miami Heat, which would say that his # should be retired there. He played there 2 years, averaged 6 pts a game, and won a championship. Does the Golliver system give us the right result w/r/t GP? I don’t think so.

My proposed revision/solution would be to add a straight-up tenure category. It’s somewhat duplicative of the “connection to the franchise category”, but not entirely. For example 1-3 years w/franchise is 1 pt, 3-5 yrs is 2 pts, 5-7 yrs is 3pts, 7-9 yrs is 4 pts and 9+ years is 5 pts. Then bump up the bar for retirement from 15-17 to 18-20. This would penalize the short-term guys like GP, Shaq, etc., and would tend to reward guys like DA and Nick who played a really long time with one team and who clearly feel to the fans more like someone who deserves to have his number retired.

by pinthatd12 on Aug 18, 2009 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

No problem.

That’s why I said the numbers pass the eye test, because the results I came up with are within reason. You do make a valid point with your example of Gary Payton, but it’s easy to use common sense to treat each player on a case-by-case basis. I don’t think there’s anything necessarily wrong with that.

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by erivera7 on Aug 19, 2009 6:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Shaq got 30 pct?

I bet noone saw that one coming. I haven’t voted on that poll,‘cause clear answer is NO,indeed,BUT facts remain: no Shaq-no 1st Magic finals,no success,no positive records,playoffs… I don’t know if majority of 3QC’s community would be Magic fans in the first place…

by Dzogi on Aug 19, 2009 7:10 AM EDT reply actions  

And,yeah,

Congratulations,Eddy. As SVG would’ve said:
Tremendous job.

by Dzogi on Aug 19, 2009 7:42 AM EDT reply actions  

Heh. Thanks.

I'm the other guy at Third Quarter Collapse, with a Twitter account.

"Never hate your enemies. It affects your judgement." - Michael Corleone

by erivera7 on Aug 19, 2009 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

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