Orlando Magic & Retired Jerseys: Shaquille O'Neal, Part IV
An introduction.
"Why did I end up on the [Los Angeles] Lakers? Actually, in the summer of 1996, [former Orlando Magic general manager] John Gabriel sealed me going to L.A. Like I said, I was the highest-paid player on the team until Penny [Hardaway] signed his deal. I was happy for Penny. Figured my payday was around the corner. Then Gabriel said, "We can't give you more than Penny. We don't want to upset Penny."
When he said that, I was out. [...]
Orlando offered me $69 million over seven years. Jerry West, the Lakers president, was talking $98 million. He was cutting guys left and right to make room for my salary. After I heard Alonzo Mourning was getting $110 million, my leverage was increasing by the day. When the Magic found out what the Lakers could do, then they tried to come back. [...]
And the truth is, I really had no intention of going there until the games with Orlando started."
It's only fitting that the final part of this mini-series ends with Shaquille O'Neal, undisputedly the most controversial player to play for the Orlando Magic franchise.
With Shaq, there's the good and there's the bad.
Let's start with the good.
When O'Neal arrived to the city of Orlando from Louisiana State University during the summer of 1992, the organization's fortune changed forever. The Magic, after three years of playing the role of being the NBA's doormat, transformed into a league powerhouse nearly overnight. With O'Neal, Orlando had a clear, identifiable superstar to promote its city and its franchise. Likewise, the league was on notice.
O'Neal came to dominate, and dominate he did.
Before there was such a thing as a YouTube sensation, the hype level of a player rose via highlights on the local or national sports channel and via word of mouth. People marveled at the rare combination of athleticism and strength that O'Neal displayed on the court in his rookie season. As such, O'Neal's legend quickly grew and popularity quickly skyrocketed when he dismantled not one, but TWO basketball hoops (the NBA was forced to build "Shaq-proof" baskets, as a result).
Here's another example of O'Neal doin' work in his second season with the Magic.
If scoring 53 points (a career-high in O'Neal's career, at that point) during the 1993-1994 regular season doesn't make you say 'wow,' then maybe blocking 15 shots does make you say 'wow' because that's what O'Neal did in the same year against the New Jersey Nets. Want to know the complete stat-line of that game?
24 points, 28 rebounds, 15 blocks.
Ridiculous.
O'Neal continued to dominate in his third season by leading the NBA in points per game (29.3) - the first time a player from Orlando accomplished such a feat. Unfortunately for O'Neal, it wasn't all roses that year as he was outclassed against Hakeem Olajuwon in the 1995 NBA Finals, a series where the Magic were swept.
Shaquille O'Neal, via Shaq Talks Back:
I don't know if we could have won [the series] because we really got caught up in just being there, and didn't concentrate enough on winning. That was partly my fault. One of the reasons we lost is because I respected Hakeem [Olajuwon] too much. Wasn't bowing him, wasn't fouling him, wasn't talking my usual smack. I was just being nice, respecting my elder. Whenever I hit him, I'd ask him, "You OK, Hakeem?"
Hakeem never said anything. He just took the pounding and came back at you. He'd go into a herky-jerky move. You'd be over here, he'd be over there, shooting a fade-away jumper. When he had that Dream Shake going, it was lights out, buddy.
In O'Neal's fourth and final season with Orlando, the big fella had to deal with a thumb injury that sidelined him for a portion of the beginning of the regular season. O'Neal eventually returned and helped guide the Magic to the team's one and only 60-win season. The year didn't end on a high note, though, as the Chicago Bulls (fielding, arguably, the best team ever) romped Orlando in the 1996 Eastern Conference Finals. I believe the quote is, "revenge is a dish best served cold."
Once the summer hit, all eyes were on the Orlando Magic and Shaquille O'Neal, as the organization & the player reached a crossroads that would change the direction of the franchise, forever. The details of that saga will be addressed in a minute.
I turned to Benjamin Golliver's "formula" made in a write-up over a year ago at the superb Blazersedge to ascertain whether O'Neal deserved an analytical and a statistical breakdown. After I noted that O'Neal met a majority of the criterion listed in Ben's post (for example, O'Neal was a superstar on the 1995 NBA Finals team for the Magic), I surmised that he deserved an examination.
Before I begin, I want to make it explicitly clear that I'm not advocating against or for an Orlando player in this mini-series. The main purpose of these posts is to figure out who in Magic history has a legit argument for such an honor, and let the community decide accordingly (there will be a poll so that people can chime in).
So, without further ado, let's begin.
As I've stated in my my previous posts, I enlisted the help of Jon Nichols of Basketball-Statistics and, also, Kevin Pelton of Basketball Prospectus to a.) add an APBRmetrician's unbiased perspective and b.) provide statistical data.
Beginning (by Jon Nichols):
If we are indeed ignoring tenure with the team, Shaquille O’Neal should be a lock to have his jersey retired by the Magic. In his four seasons in Orlando, he posted numbers that rivaled his career best. Like Maravich, Walton, and Barkley, he will be a Hall of Famer. Although the feelings in Orlando towards Shaq are not always positive, there’s no doubt that his contributions during his four years were enormous.
Shaq's career PER of 26.9 is among the highest in the history of the NBA. Not only has he been efficient (career Offensive Rating of 113 despite his free throw shooting woes), but he has never been shy of carrying the workload (his career usage rate is only slightly below 30%). His career Defensive Rating of 101 is impressive, as well. Although his best years may have come in L.A., his performance wasn't that much worse in his first few seasons in Orlando. In fact, his two most efficient offensive seasons came in his second and third seasons with the Magic. The only thing keeping his PER's from being career highs those two seasons was the fact that his deft passing ability was not out in full force yet.
Of course, you really don't need all of those numbers to know the Magic should have his jersey retired. Simply put, O'Neal made the Magic matter as soon as they drafted him. Had it not been for some great Rockets and Bulls teams, the Magic could be holding two Finals championships in their trophy case.
Middle:
Credit goes to Nichols for the PER graph and Pelton for the WARP data.
This is a prime example where the numbers speak for themselves.
End:
Although Nichols brings up valid points in his assessment of O'Neal, "should be retired" and "will be retired" are two completely different things. There's no argument that O'Neal is or isn't worthy of having his number hang in the rafters - he is. But harkening back to the summer of 1996.
Rather than rehash the same material that has been written over, and over, and over again (usually from the media), I'll refer you to pages 44-48 of O'Neal's book, Shaq Talks Back, for his take on the sequence of events that lead to his departure (I strongly suggest reading what he had to say).
O'Neal is not excused for his behavior before he left and his comment about Orlando - "a dried-up pond" - helped further develop friction between the city, the media, the player, and the team. It was an ugly divorce, to be sure, but it's worth figuring out what created the messy breakup in the first place. Clearly, everyone involved in the situation is to be blamed. O'Neal felt betrayed, so he lashed out ...
... and continues to lash out on the Magic organization to this day. It should be stated that O'Neal does like to talk, so who knows whether the things he says is fodder or not, but it doesn't change the fact that he has said spiteful words towards Dwight Howard ("a good player, but everything he's done, I've invented") and Stan Van Gundy ("a master of panic").
Despite everything, O'Neal has maintained residence in Orlando and has organized events within the city, such as the Sixth Annual Shaq's Mama Said Knock You Out fundraising event, which takes place next month. O'Neal has remained a presence within the Central Florida community, even during his time with the Lakers, Heat, Suns, and now, Cavaliers.
O'Neal, also, will forever remain a part of the Orlando Magic's history, but it appears he'll be no more than a footnote. A shame, really. O'Neal will go down as one of the most dominant players to ever set foot in the NBA, and normally, greatness deserves to be honored and recognized, but that may never be the case with O'Neal and the Magic.
It is what it Is.
Accolades:
1993 NBA Rookie First Team
1994, 1996 All-NBA Third Team
1995 All-NBA Second Team
1993, 1994, 1995, 1996 NBA All-Star (starter each year)
1996 Olympic gold medalist (USA men's national basketball team)
Awards:
1993 NBA Rookie of the Year
Franchise Leaderboard:
Blocked shots (824)
Blocked shots per game (2.7)
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I would like to have a civil conversation with the Yes votes--
as Ricky Ricardo says:
“You got some ’splainin to doo!”
yea , pretty much...
We owe him and Penny alot for Magic’s beginnings.. that’s about it though.. maybe a little ceremony some game in a season when Shaq is retired and jersey hanging in LA or MIA.. Penny makes way more sense to me still if we’re going to get all “this was the best player we ever had, we got to the finals with him” , because his whole career was Orlando and done, and he was as big a part as Shaq was in those Magic teams.
I was one of the yes votes...
Does he deserve it? Yeah, I think so. He did put Orlando on the map as far as the NBA went, he made the NBA change how they build backboards, and he is still the most recognizable player we had. On the converse side, I don’t think the Magic will retire his jersey, and I don’t think they should. My reasoning for that is that he deserves it even more with LA, and I don’t agree with retiring a player’s jersey at more than one team.
Basically, it’s a yes because of how the question was asked. Does he deserve it? Yes. Should the Magic do it? No.
"When you make your final stand
I'll be right there
I'll never leave
And all I ask of you is
Believe"
Your answer intrigues me
because I completely understand what you are saying, but I still can not agree.
You mention that he put us on the map, but really he was a part of putting us on said map. I think his actions in leaving, and since he left carry more weight than his four years with our team. I do not think he “deserves” it. If he had left and not been a (any way you look at it) jerk to not only his team, his friends, his fans and his fan-base then yah, sure, he deserves it. I just don’t think he was here long enough, nor so dramatically important on his own in his short tenure to warrant recognition by this city.
Thing is, people need to understand WHY he's been so negative towards the city.
The city of Orlando, let’s be frank, turned on him. He didn’t feel wanted.
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chalk me up as someone who thought he was worth whatever money he wanted. this was before the salary cap right?
by thomaswhigham on Aug 18, 2009 1:46 AM EDT up reply actions
and to be honest, at that time, the magic organization and city was not neccessarily ready to be an all time great franchise.
by thomaswhigham on Aug 18, 2009 1:47 AM EDT up reply actions
The cap was around during that time.
However, some of the current free agent rules weren’t around during that time. For instance, the Magic didn’t have the benefit of offering Shaq an extra year and more money, as that caveat wasn’t in the CBA. Partly the reason why it’s around now is BECAUSE of how O’Neal left Orlando – the purpose is to aid teams and help keep superstars around.
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sweet thanks for the info, i need to research that more I didn’t understand that at the time.
by thomaswhigham on Aug 18, 2009 1:54 AM EDT up reply actions
The other big legacy is how Free Agents are courted
Part of Orlando’s claim was that LA tampered with Shaq back then, but it was pretty common practice for that to happen. The tampering law has made some things much better and on even ground for everyone.
The Shaq leaving to LA changed the face of the NBA for roughly a decade, but the legacy of it will be much stronger as it closed a loophole that made it easier for teams like Miami & LA to simply throw money around.
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Correct.
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Shaq's a guy who is a lock for the hall of fame
But I wouldn’t be surprised if his jersey is never retired with any team.
The Lakers will definitely retire his jersey.
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+1
he gave them 3 championships..
Played well for us, but LA got Shaq during his prime, we didn’t.
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Well, Orlando got Shaq during his prime too.
Just didn’t get the championships.
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The Magic retiring Shaq’s jersey is like a man finding his wife in bed with another man and then leaving everything in his will for her. In other words, not just no, but hell no.
LOL
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Not no but HECK NO!
I was 14 when Shaq left Orlando. He was my hero. He was tall, strong, and fast. I was tall, weak, and kinda fast (6’2", 110 lbs). I remember vivdly the emotional upheaval it caused. Would a pilots union vote to give an aviation hall of fame spot to a guy who creashed a 767? I could come up with analogys all day, but this is wrong, even to suggest.
To be clear, I think Shaq is supremely entertaining, and I understand why he did what he did as much as anyone can, based on the reasoning he has publicly stated. That doesn’t mean I forgive him, or the Magic front office for destroying what should have been a dynasty…
It's a shame that John Gabriel handle the situation so poorly.
I’m convinced if Pat Williams was still the GM at the time, it wouldn’t have gotten to that point.
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No.
The Magic shouldn’t even consider retiring Shaq’s number until the guy starts showing some respect for the franchise instead of bad mouthing it and generally acting like a child because Dwight Howard’s Orlando Magic are breaking Shaquille O’Neal’s Orlando Magic’s records (both personal and team). Right now, the only way I see O’Neal 32 being retired is if he eventually buys the team like he’s been saying for all these years. After the team’s current run of success, I highly doubt that Rich DeVos will being giving it up majority control of the team. Maybe Shaq will be in as a minority investor. I digress…the answer is still NO.
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Shaq likes to talk, that's the way he is.
Not excusing his behavior, just saying that’s the reality of the situation.
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This is why we have to consider more than stats
Because statistically, it’s an easy call. His jersey should hang in the rafters.
But we can’t ignore all the disparaging comments he made about the city, and the team, comments which he still makes today regarding Dwight Howard and Stan Van Gundy. This isn’t sour grapes on my part. I’d have no problem with retiring his jersey if he had left in free agency after his 4th year and kept his mouth shut about how much he hated this city. Seriously.
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Well put. I totally agree about the sour grapes.
Yes, I was and am still pissed the guy bolted (as you can tell from my Laker hatred). But I’m not voting against retiring his jersey cause I’m bitter. I always give credit where credit’s due and the same goes for this guy. When he won with the Heat, I kept proclaiming that the only way the Magic franchise would ever be saved is if he bought the team. But things have drastically changed since then. He has put on the full court press in trashing the Magic and Dwight. I mean now that he is with Cleveland I’d even go so far as to say that the Magic and Dwight are public enemy #1 in his mind instead of Kobe and the Lakers. Don’t put it past him that one of the many reasons he went to Cleveland was that he hopes to stick it Orlando (this point should add some extra motivation for the Magic when they play Cleveland this year…sorry LeBron, you’re gonna be caught in the crosshairs). Thing is, the Magic may get the last laugh…the franchise needs to be done getting the short end of the stick with this guy.
I really lost respect for him when I read a report that he was lobbying to go back to Lakers this summer. For the first time ever, I actually took Kobe’s side. Today I just want the guy to shut up and leave our franchise alone. His act is played and he’s looking like the one with sour grapes now and not Magic fans.
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the city didnt keep its mouth shut about how much it hated on him for leavin. bianchi and people like that still read like the most negative cynical B students who somehow became sports writers ever…
p.s., a lot of racist haters came out aginst shaq for leaving without ever understanding it as a business or knowing the behind the scenes bs (specifically, the ego stuff with penny and the stuff with zo making 110)
by thomaswhigham on Aug 18, 2009 1:50 AM EDT up reply actions
If I was the voting type,
I’d vote no. People say Shaq has done things for this community, and I guess he has, though to me it seems he’s done stuff when it’s suited him. I live right next door to a Shaquille owned business. During the year of the hurricanes, Shaq could have helped this community, even in small ways like bringing in ice or such, but I never saw anything from him. And it was terribly annoying to be out of power (5, 3, and 7 days respectively) while his business’s lights were shining in my windows.
I was terribly hurt by his departure and all the hoopla surrounding it, even though I know there was enough blame to go around. I believe I could’ve gotten over it, but his continual dissing of this team and personnel have kept the pain fresh. Heck, he’s never even had “Go Magic” put up on his business’s sign, even after his current team was eliminated from the playoffs.
Amazing player, a$$hole personality. I’d vote an emphatic no!
Man is the only non-linear computing device still mass-produced by unskilled labor.
Yeah, what's been hurting Shaq is the fact that he's still talking trash to the Magic.
I think if he left the situation be, then I think people would be willing to forgive and forget.
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Yep.
They retired Patrick Roy’s jersey in Montreal (albeit Roy did pioneer two Cup teams for the Canadiens) this year after that messy breakup.
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Word, it took a while.
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Shaq should be retired... but not the first
I believe Shaq should have his jersey retired with Orlando… eventually.
The numbers he put up in Orlando and what he did for the franchise are simply incredible and I do not think there is any getting around that. You cannot argue that he is one of the most important players in Magic history.
But you cannot ignore the vitriol against him and the sourness against him. I remember trashing everything that had O’Neal’s name on it when he left. Of course, I was seven so that had something to do with it.
I was at the point where I could forgive Shaq until his “Master of Panic” comments and when I learned things while working in South Florida and talking to Heat fans about him.
It will take some time for the hatred to die down but I believe the stats and his impact speak for itself. The hatred for him will only delay his retirement. He certainly should not be the first player whose jersey is retired at the Amway Arena/Center.
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Yeah, the thing is the messy breakup came from both sides.
Sometimes people forget that the Magic were just as much to blame for handling Shaq’s negotiations. It’s all in the past, and time has moved on, but I do think people tend to dismiss O’Neal’s side of the story.
I do think his jersey should be retired, but I’ll be the first to say that if it doesn’t happen, I’ll understand why.
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27.2 points (2nd in franchise history), 12.5 rebounds (tied for 1st), 2.8 blocks (1st), 58.1% shooting (2nd), and 26.6 PER (1st) are great numbers. There’s no disputing that. However, he also treated the city like dirt when he left, and he continues to deride it to this day. We have to account for more than his stats.
If the Magic retire Shaq’s uniform, they’re going to look awfully silly. There are some things you shouldn’t forgive. 13-plus years of trashing a city, a team, and its star players is one of those things.
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by Ben Q Rock on Aug 17, 2009 4:51 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
ahhh, it does my heart good to see all this anti-shaq sentiment
last week i was starting to get concerned that we had a critical mass of sympathizers in our midst. agree with the overall sentiment. great play here for 4 years does not sufficiently justify his behavior since he left to have his number retired here.
probably the closest sports analogy to shaq is a-rod. transcendent talent (no on disputes that), big a$$hole (no one should dispute that), played with his first team for a few years and then moved on for bigger and better paydays elsewhere. in seattle they’ve set aside ken griffey’s number 24 for retirement when the day comes. a-rod, even though he hasn’t talked nearly the trash about his former city and team that shaq has, has not had his number 3 set aside for retirement. instead, he gets booed and has dollar bills rained down on him every time he comes back to seattle. and again, that’s without the level of negative commentary that shaq has spewed toward orlando and the magic. retire his number? that would be an embarrassment. he’s lucky he’s allowed in orange county.
wonder once shaq retires whether his tone changes after, will he live here full time?
by thomaswhigham on Aug 18, 2009 1:52 AM EDT up reply actions
NO
Shaq isn’t down with Orlando and we aren’t down with Shaq…
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Kinda off-topic
But I guess the consensus is that T-Mac doesn’t even deserve a mention for possible jersey retirement?
I already know the poll would have been overwhelmingly “No” based on the way he left the team, but you have to admit, he was one of the most significant players in Magic history.
Not being salty, was just looking forward to some McGrady discussion in this “throwback” series. I would’ve voted “No” btw. Man, we haven’t done a good job handling our best players!
T-Mac was definitely a significant player in Orlando Magic history.
Trust me, I thought about doing a post about Tracy but it was a tough call to make, because even though he played four seasons with the team, two of those seasons were ABSOLUTELY INSANE statistically. I figured McGrady deserved, at least, an examination but for whatever reason, I decided not to do a post about him. But again, it was tough .. I was 50/50 with doing a post about Tracy McGrady.
Who knows, I may still do one.
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Mac
You could make the argument that T-Mac and Shaq’s situations are comparable — put up crazy statistical seasons while with the team, left with ridiculous baggage with the fan base. Why I think McGrady does not deserve the same attention as Shaq is simply he didn’t win in Orlando. Shaq won in Orlando. McGrady failed to deliver. In 20 years, those who remember the T-Mac era will remember it as the bridge between the O’Neal/Hardaway and Dwight Howard eras.
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by philrsquared on Aug 18, 2009 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions
That's essentially why I didn't do a post with T-Mac.
Aside from his production, there would be nothing else to really talk about with him.
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I know this probably won't go over well here (then again, maybe)
But I positively hate Shaq. Hated him in Orlando, LA, Miami and Phoenix. I’m perfectly prepared to hate his fat ass in Cleveland too. The thing is that the guy runs his mouth, and then at the same time, he’s expected to be taken at face value? Sorry, but no dice. Where I come from you either put up or shutup. Shaq rarely put up in big moment’s for my money over the course of his career.
I think it says something that’s he been traded 3 times in recent years by teams. He is not Moses Malone where his contract is up so he signs with a different team. (Moses Malone played for a lot of teams in his career after all.)
I think there is a better question here. Would the Magic retire Penny Hardaway’s number? (I would be thinking no.)
I think this is an excellent debate for August with little to no Magic news going on. If this debate was going on with real games and news happening (sometimes hourly), than I’d be worried.
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See E's post re Penny Hardaway from last week.
Shaq’s recent run on multiple teams is because his contract is insane and his contribution/skill set does not match up to the dollars. Hence why Buss was so eager to get rid of him in 2004. None of the teams that have him want to buy him out cause he could be useful to them so a buyout isn’t a smart financial decision. Pretty much he will represent a tradeable contract until it expires. My bet is he retires when that day comes.
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Jafi I'm not wishing to argue
But when you make 20 million dollars, it’s hard to find a team that has a lot of asset’s that total 20 million dollars. Cleveland happened to be rare in that respect.
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I'm just saying...
…that the reason he’s been traded so much over the past few years is because of that contract. It is an albatross on the payroll and the returns on it, production wise on the court, don’t match up. Plus the guy doesn’t sell tickets like he used to, so you don’t have that spin. He’s become a toxic asset. Obviously there aren’t many suitors willing to undertake the contract given what you just pointed out. Shaq could very well turn out to be a liability for Cleveland this year. If the guy is only motivated to play come playoff time, the Christmas game, and games against the Magic…the Cavs will be in a bind.
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I don't wish to argue with you
What I am saying is that there are teams who did want him. All it takes is one Jafi. Robert Sarver, Phoenix’s owner, partly was willing to take Shaq on because they thought it would make Phoenix more popular locally with fans. The idea that Sarver could make more money off Shaq’s presence is something that appealed to him. So, in a sense Jafi, I don’t think that is quite accurate.
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Agreed.
I guess it all on Shaq then…at this point, the guy would play with his self proclaimed Sacramento “Queens” if they presented him with an opportunity to make a run in the post-season.
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Hi all, My thoughts are about the same as most who have commented. His stats say yes. His contributions to a young franchise say yes. I won’t even take the way he left into consideration, because as much as he wanted to be a movie star in LA, the magic low-balled him. If you’re ever gonna insult someone’s ego, you don’t wanna try it on someone with an ego like shaq. What upsets me, is the continued trashing of the team, staff and town. Old saying- you don’t sh*t in your own nest. He can’t expect 32 in otown rafters while he shows no respect back.
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