Orlando Magic & Retired Jerseys: Nick Anderson, Part III
Let's just get this out of the way, right now.
If there is one player in the history of the Orlando Magic franchise that is a near-unanimous choice to have his jersey retired by the organization, it's Nick Anderson.
Anderson is beloved by the community, by the fans, by the team, etc.
For the first two days of this mini-series, two players have been examined - Darrell Armstrong and Anfernee 'Penny' Hardaway. As has been pointed out, one player had more of the intangibles than the numbers (Armstrong) and the other player had more of the numbers than the intangibles (Hardaway). Thus, no one should be surprised that the reactions have been mixed with either player; each with flaws (to be expected). Anderson, however, may represent the best and near perfect balance of a former player for Orlando that had the numbers AND the intangibles.
First-ever draft pick in franchise history.
Vital role player on a NBA Finals roster.
Owner of a multitude of franchise records.
A community ambassador, a local legend, a playoff hero.
Let's also just get this out of the way, right now. Nick Anderson, when debating the merits of whether or not he deserves to have his number hang in the rafters, should NOT be penalized for the infamous four missed free-throws in Game 1 of the 1995 NBA Finals. It's no different than when Courtney Lee was unfairly criticized for missing a difficult game-winning layup in Game 2 of the 2009 NBA Finals. In both instances, those plays weren't THE reason for the losses. In both instances, the Magic still had a chance to win either game in overtime against either opponent. They were A reason for the losses, and certainly costly but that's it. It should be stated that the plays aren't being compared, but the moments themselves. Moving on.
Nick is easily best known for arguably the greatest moment in franchise history.
The Steal.
Nick Anderson, via the Orlando Magic:
The Bulls inbounded at their baseline and Jordan got past me, bringing the ball upcourt under pressure. I was pursuing the ball down the floor, figuring that Jordan had made so many last-second shots he was just going to pound the ball all the way to the rim. But he didn't, which allowed me to catch up and move into a blind spot behind him.
Jordan turned to look over his left shoulder, but I was on his right. I poked the ball away from MJ. Penny gathered it after it sprung loose and passed ahead to a streaking Grant, who dunked to give us a one-point lead with six seconds remaining.
The turnaround was shocking. Not only did we deny the Bulls any points to extend their lead, we took away the ball. And not only did we take away the ball, but we scored an uncontested basket to take the lead.
[...] I give a lot of credit to our fans. They were so loud that even though the other Bulls were yelling at Jordan that I was swooping down on him, he couldn't hear their warnings.
Anderson certainly had his ups and downs with Orlando, seemingly magnified during the 1994-1995 postseason - starting with the series against the Chicago Bulls and ending with the series against the Houston Rockets. Due to Anderson's misfortune at the charity stripe in the championship series, his statistical production declined precipitously until everything bottomed out during the 1996-1997 regular season. Anderson's fall from grace was accentuated from the free-throw line, where it became a struggle mentally (saw a sports psychiatrist) and statistically (shot 40.4% for the year). One wondered if Anderson could ever bounce back as a player.
But Anderson did, and there's one game that stands out.
Beginning at the end of January of 1998, Anderson's career rebooted, so to speak. Anderson's "off" switch turned "on" and he began to play like himself again. Finally.
Then February 22nd came, which meant one thing.
The return of Shaquille O'Neal to Orlando since he left for Los Angeles in 1996. As expected, it was an emotional event for all parties involved. Before a nationally-televised audience, Anderson cemented his return by scoring 30 points and hitting a game-winning three with 7.1 seconds left to catapult the Magic to a victory.
With Anderson, he always had his fair share of memories during his time with Orlando.
The following, above, were just a few examples.
I turned to Benjamin Golliver's "formula" made in a write-up over a year ago at the superb Blazersedge to ascertain whether Anderson deserved an analytical and a statistical breakdown. After I noted that Andersn met a majority of the criterion listed in Ben's post (for example, Anderson was the Magic's first-ever draft pick & was a role player on the 1995 NBA Finals team), I surmised that he deserved an examination.
Before I begin, I want to make it explicitly clear that I'm not advocating against or for an Orlando player in this mini-series. The main purpose of these posts is to figure out who in Magic history has a legit argument for such an honor, and let the community decide accordingly (there will be a poll so that people can chime in).
So, without further ado, let's begin.
As I stated in my post yesterday, I enlisted the help of Jon Nichols of Basketball-Statistics and Neil Paine of Basketball-Reference to a.) add an APBRmetrician's unbiased perspective and b.) provide statistical data.
Beginning (by Jon Nichols):
His PER numbers were very similar to those of Darrell Armstrong, although he was a bit more efficient. In the two seasons from 1994-96, he posted impressive Offensive Ratings of 119 and 112, thanks to his excellent three-point shooting. Like Armstrong, Anderson had a relatively long tenure with the Magic and was involved with a number of winning teams.
The same statistical comparisons that I used for Armstrong apply for Anderson. These guys were solid role players that played a lot of years for their team but were never spectacular. Also like Armstrong, Anderson did not finish his career with the Magic, which usually goes a long way toward a player getting his jersey retired. Statistically, he definitely is no lock for getting his jersey retired. However, he did not face serious legal trouble and now works for the Magic’s front office. There are enough positive feelings associated with him and he plays a prominent enough roll in Orlando to be a reasonable candidate.
Middle:
Credit goes to Nichols for the PER graph and Paine for the statistical plus/minus data.
Here's another statistical nugget, via Basketbawful:
He's the only player in NBA history to score 50 points in a game off the bench. It happened on April 23, 1993. On a night in which Shaq busted his second backboard of the season, Nick exploded out of his warmups to shoot 17-for-25 from the field, 4-for-7 from distance and a perfect 12-for-12 from the charity stripe. Mind you, he scored that 50 points in only 33 minutes. That's one freaky efficient performance. And the Magic won 119-116. Shaq had only 10 points on 3-for-11 shooting and nearly fouled out. Orlando's second-best player that night was Scott Skiles (19 points, 9 assists and only one fewer rebound than Shaq). Bernard King had his best game of the season for the Nets (24 points, 10-for-16) and would play only four more games before retiring.
End:
What else needs to be said?
As was stated in the beginning of the write-up, Anderson had the numbers AND the intangibles. Anderson has remained a part of the Central Florida community and has served as the Community Ambassador for the Orlando Magic since 2006, hanging around the Amway Arena during games and making various appearances for team events.
Anderson was the first-ever draft pick for the Magic in 1989.
Anderson was the first person to be recognized during the Magic's "Committment To the Past Nights" in 2006.
Anderson was the first player to have his jersey retired by the Magic in ???
The last sentence is what every Orlando fan is waiting for.
Franchise Records:
Games (602)
Minutes Played (22,444)
Field Goals Made (4,075)
Field Goal Attempts (8,976)
3-Point Field Goal Attempts (2,480)
Steals (1,004)
Personal Fouls (1,354)
Points (10,650)
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And probably the only dude who has a legitimate shot of getting his jersey retired considering all the other relevant dudes have left on sour terms.
My only thing is this: If hasn’t happened already, what are the chances it will happen now or in the future?
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by Wasabi Steak on Aug 13, 2009 8:14 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Patience is a virtue.
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by erivera7 on Aug 13, 2009 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Free Throws
1. They may have not been THE reason the Magic lost that game, but in that line of reason, neither was the Bill Buckner play in 86 in the World Series. Still both will live on as painful memories to fans of their respective teams.
2. C. Lee’s play would have been an incredible one had he made the shot- held by Kobe, Gasol coming over, an in air adjustment, time not on his side…so thats not a fair comparison. Nick had 4 chances to make one of the simplest shots in the game and missed all four.
Looks as though I’m in the minority, but my answer is still no. Dont retire ‘pretty good’ players jerseys. I dont see Rony Seikaly’s jersey hanging from the rafters at Heat games just because he was their 1st overall pick and a decent player. Lets save special honors for special players.
by cambi1 on Aug 13, 2009 10:06 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i'm with you
love the guy, but no.
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by mhetrick14 on Aug 13, 2009 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not comparing the two plays. I'm comparing the two moments.
.. and the subsequent fan reaction to them, which were similar.
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by erivera7 on Aug 13, 2009 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
About the stat comparison...
Did you go and find the absolute worst players ever with retired jerseys to compare Nick Anderson to? I guess you could also say that he averaged over 14 ppg more than the other retired Magic jersey, #6 “The Fans”, although I’d bet the fat guy could have made 1 of those 4 FT’s
by cambi1 on Aug 13, 2009 10:18 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
No, I did not.
In fact, I didn’t even come up with the comparisons. Jon Nichols was kind enough to do that for me.
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by erivera7 on Aug 13, 2009 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
By the way, Dennis Johnson isn't a bad player.
He was an All-Star multiple times and a NBA Finals MVP, yet Nick Anderson’s numbers were superior.
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by erivera7 on Aug 13, 2009 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
E -- I have to admit, I've come to look forward to your daily installments
contined praise for the series you’re running here. Good stuff.
But I also have to bring up this point again. Are you really, truly, honestly saying that you’re trying to be neutral in presenting these players?? Like Tommy Heinsohn is neutral when he calls a Celtics game? Like The Fat Guy is neutral at Magic games? Again, you don’t have to be neutral, but let’s call a spade a spade. You’re advocating.
In any event, you paint a very strong case for Nick, but I still think he falls short. The stats aren’t there, he was never an all-star, he didn’t finish his career with the Magic and the missed free throws ARE a factor (they remain the worst on-court moment in the history of the franchise — beating out Courtney’s missed alley-oop and Jameer’s blown defense on DFish). If he gives the organization and the community another solid 5-7 years of contributions, I’d potentially be willing to reconsider.
by pinthatd12 on Aug 13, 2009 10:28 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Lol. Tommy Heinsohn is the worst homer I've ever seen.
I was watching an old Lakers Celtic Finals series, and he said some of the stupidest things ever.
"Fun fact: Larry Hughes, who couldn’t stay healthy if all his human parts were replaced with bionic implants, is out for the next four weeks with a bruised leg. Do you think that Willis Reed ever reads about all these players missing time with bruises and sprained fingers and throws up in his mouth a little?"
by Diosnomeama on Aug 13, 2009 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed on the 1st part
Nick was the first player to have his jersey retired by the Magic in ???
The last sentence is what every Orlando fan is waiting for.
Advocating,but that’s ok,of course.
However,I disagree on the 2nd part. It isn’t a must for a player to be an All Star or to finish career with us.
Nick is the closest one to having this honor.
by Dzogi on Aug 13, 2009 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If by advocating, you're referring to my last sentence in my post.
I’m pointing out a fact, because every Magic fan IS waiting. That’s true.
I think that his missed free-throw shouldn’t be used as deterrent for his worthiness is getting his jersey retired, but that’s my opinion. Others have their opinion, and that’s okay. Not everyone agrees.
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by erivera7 on Aug 13, 2009 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
eddie, come on. are you just yanking my chain??
nearly every sentence in your post reads like a well-written, persuasively-argued paid advertisement for retiring nick’s number. the entire lead-in, the middle (where you choose the worst players ever to have their numbers retired to try to make a case for him) and yes, the end as well. the post seems designed to make one feel foolish for potentially arguing (as many of us have) that the number should not be retired. the only balanced portion of the post is from nichols. the rest reads like pure advocacy. seriously, dude, read it again. again, that’s 100% fine, but there’s just no reason to perpetuate a charade of neutrality.
by pinthatd12 on Aug 13, 2009 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
For the last time, I did not choose the players.
Nichols did, and in fact, there’s plenty of other individuals he could have listed to compare, in which Anderson may still have had superior numbers. To say that these are the worst players ever is a bit extreme, when I already pointed about above Dennis Johnson was a good player that garnered a variety of accolades and awards, yet Nick Anderson’s numbers were still superior.
If I said no to wanting Nick’s jersey retired, then my post wouldn’t be much of an issue. Right? I was more than complimentary on my piece about Darrell Armstrong, yet I openly stated I wouldn’t retire his jersey. If people don’t think Anderson should get his number hung on the rafters, that’s fine.
I said this before and I’ll say it again, this entire exercise was designed to promote discussion.
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by erivera7 on Aug 13, 2009 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and it's doing a darn good job of it!
let’s consider the issues about neutrality moot and just focus on the substance. i’d be interested to see a grid, at some point, like golliver did, applying his 0-25 system to our top 5-7 candidates for jersey retirements. settling on each player’s number has some subjectivity, but it offers a pretty decent framework for discussion.
by pinthatd12 on Aug 13, 2009 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ben did it for Nick and I'll gladly do it for the others .
I was planning on doing a wrap-up post on Monday, so that’ll be a part of it.
I agree that choosing the numbers invites some subjectivity, so I’ll try to do the best I can to be harsh but fair. Don’t want to hand out numbers with frivolity. Wouldn’t be good.
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by erivera7 on Aug 13, 2009 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
As much as I like Nick Anderson
His missed free throws cost us that game.
To argue otherwise is to dwell in absurdity where no one player ever won or lost a game despite their game winning shot or defensive breakdown.
by Half-man Half-gortat on Aug 13, 2009 11:14 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
They were a reason. I never said they weren't.
.. but I rather not talk about that.
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by erivera7 on Aug 13, 2009 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, and?
What player hasn’t made a bad play that cost his team a game? Nick was just unlucky enough that that play happened at the wrong time. Doesn’t erase ten years.
He's currently two-thirds man, one-third amazing. Which, let's face it, is still a pretty good ratio.
by 3.3seconds on Aug 13, 2009 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
As much as I like Michael Jordan
His poor ball-handling cost the Bulls a Finals berth.
To focus on a single play is to dwell in absurdity where basketball is an And1 mixtape and team play doesn’t matter ;)
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by The Dark on Aug 14, 2009 7:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
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by erivera7 on Aug 14, 2009 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I say yes to Nick
Nick was our first draft pick, played a key role in our early rise, and continues to have a positive influence for the organization. He is in many ways the embodiment of Magic history.
I’m nevertheless interested in hearing counterarguments. cambi1 and pinthatd12 raise some fair points.
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by Ben Q Rock on Aug 13, 2009 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I say yes only because he was the first ever draft pick of the Magic, but he still had a solid career with the team
By the way, I would say the same if Michael Ansley was the Magic’s first ever pick instead (sans the solid career part, mind you). The number deserves to be retired because it is an important part of Magic history, and Nick did have some great moments while wearing that uniform. Number 25 should be honored because it signifies the start of the franchise.
However, any numbers retired after Nick’s need only go to spectacular players that impact the entire league while playing for the Magic (like what Dwight will most likely do).
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by funny80sguy on Aug 13, 2009 12:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, that's how I feel.
For all that Anderson has done for the organization on the court and off the court, he should be honored. I think this is more exception than the rule, because I’m with everyone else in this instance ..
I’d retire jerseys for special players, and I think the Magic have the opportunity to set the bar.
But I say yes to Nick.
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by erivera7 on Aug 13, 2009 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I couldn't use the fact that he was our 1st pick..
influence whether or not he deserves to have his number. Its a nice sentiment, that our 1st pick was certainly not a bust, but the feels like if I would have gone back and married the 1st girl I slept with just for having that distinction. I guess my judgement comes down to:
Was he a great player? No. Really never close to an all-star appearance, and at his best, which would probably be 1991-92, was on the fringe of even being a top 10 SG in the NBA.
Was he an integral part of some special team success? Again, not really. When the team did go to the finals, he was probably the 4th best player on the team behind Shaq, Penny, and Horace Grant. The times he was one of the best players on the team, there was not much success to speak of.
Was he beloved? Well, maybe after seeing some of your posts, moreso than I thought, but even back then I remember Scotty Skiles being more popular with the fans, and then he certainly took a backseat when the 3 guys I previously mentioned came to town.
Memorable moments?
1. The FT’s. If you mention Nick to someone who is an NBA fan, but not a Magic fan, thats the only thing they bring up.
2. The Steal. A memorable moment, yes, but it is not some ‘great’ play that runs through my head whenever I think of him.
3. The 3 to beat LA in Shaq’s 1st year there. A lovely “FU” moment to Shaq and the Lakers, but unimportant overall.
As for the off-court contributions, well thats what they are, off the court. Retiring a jersey should signify largely what he does on the court, seeing as though its a jersey and all. If you want to honor him (which they already have) for everything else he does, fine.
Again, the Heat arent retiring Rony Seikaly’s number, the Hornets are retiring Rex Chapman’s, and the Raptors arent retiring Damon Stoudamire’s. Greats belong in the rafters, not ‘pretty good’s
by cambi1 on Aug 13, 2009 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
pardon my numerous gramatical errors there
by cambi1 on Aug 13, 2009 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Those teams aren't retiring those numbers because those players didn't do what Anderson did.
It’s fine if you disagree.
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by erivera7 on Aug 13, 2009 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seikaly was about on par with Nick, Chapman and Stoudamire were pretty close. Just that none spent quite as much time with their teams. But a fair comparison.
by cambi1 on Aug 13, 2009 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
However
If this poll is an accurate sample of what Magic fans think, then I guess maybe he should. I won’t boo if I happen to be there when this happens (though I may roll my eyes a little) But if 80+ percent feel that way then hey, go for it.
by cambi1 on Aug 13, 2009 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the poll numbers are pretty clearly skewed by the nature of the post
if the post was written as a thoughtful argument AGAINST retiring his number, rather than FOR it, then the poll numbers would be very different. probably not reversed, but very different.
by pinthatd12 on Aug 13, 2009 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe.
Like I already said, I was equally complimentary in my piece about Darrell Armstrong and the poll results were different than they were for Nick Anderson, so I get what you’re saying. You certainly make a valid point, but I do think there’s a legit difference.
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by erivera7 on Aug 13, 2009 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
All of those guys spent half their careers with other teams.
Substantially more than half in the case of Stoudamire and Chapman, both of whom left as soon as their rookie contracts ran out. And Seikaly was an unlikable guy, plus he was replaced by a far better center in Mourning. None of these guys are working for the teams that drafted them, are they? This isn’t even an unfair comparison.
He's currently two-thirds man, one-third amazing. Which, let's face it, is still a pretty good ratio.
by 3.3seconds on Aug 13, 2009 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What does
the fact that he’s been brought on as a glad-hander and special guest at Winter Park Publix openings have to do with his jersey being retired however? Does Otis get his jersey retired then too?
by cambi1 on Aug 13, 2009 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It means quite a bit, actually.
But of course, you would disagree.
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by erivera7 on Aug 13, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course?
I am not attacking you, just asking a valid question. If the guy was on the fringe of being honored by having his jersey retired, then I might let the off-court affairs swing me one way or another (in the case of Penny, I’ll lean towards ‘another’) but to use the fact the the Magic gave him a job glad-handing season ticket holders as a reason to retire the jersey of a 15 ppg player is not a compelling argument to me.
by cambi1 on Aug 13, 2009 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, it's an argument in favor of the fact that he's thought of as symbolic of the team as a whole.
Nobody thinks of Rex Chapman or Damon Stoudamire as the defining early players of the teams that drafted them. In fact, they’re not even the teams I most associate those guys with — I think of Stoudamire as a Blazer (he played seven years for the Blazers!), and Chapman as a Sun.
He's currently two-thirds man, one-third amazing. Which, let's face it, is still a pretty good ratio.
by 3.3seconds on Aug 13, 2009 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't forget the Cat Man
Anybody who can drink all night at Mr. B’s in Eatonville and then put up 30 the next surely must be HoF material!
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by Bo Diddle on Aug 13, 2009 1:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Uhhhh......OF COURSE!
Nick WILL have his number retired, that’s a foregone conclusion. The Magic could even do something corny and retire his number 5 years from now ;) you know? But anytime is fine with me, I wish I could be there to see it.
by ROCNation on Aug 13, 2009 3:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ah, I get it. 25 year anniversary.
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by erivera7 on Aug 13, 2009 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually not the worst idea.
I would dig it.
AND it would bridge the gap between ceremonies a little more smoothly.
by fwedo on Aug 13, 2009 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We had no to players that have their numbers retired
Nick Anderson if its past player no one stayed on this team very long or did have a winning team very long. A few players from the current team get retired numbers because they’ll win orlando championships
by GoMagic000 on Aug 13, 2009 3:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think the Magic should honour him somehow, but not retire his jersey.
I’m not from Orlando, so maybe I don’t understand how much he means to you guys… but I think it sets a bad precedent to be retiring role players’ jerseys. I’m a Raptors fan – I love Alvin Williams and think we should name something important after him, but obviously his jersey won’t be hanging in the rafters any time soon.
by Vittorio De Zen on Aug 13, 2009 4:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The precedent has already been set by franchises all over the NBA.
I don’t buy that argument at all.
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by erivera7 on Aug 13, 2009 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Magic have already honored Anderson, Dennis Scott, Scott Skiles, Pat Williams, and Matt Guokas with banners hanging in the Amway Arena concourse
To me, that’s not reverent enough for someone of Anderson’s standing.
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by Ben Q Rock on Aug 13, 2009 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I say yes.
Said no on Penny and Darrell, but a yes for Nick. He’s got a great career stat wise, and he’s done so much for the area and the organization. Plus I think that steal is the best moment in our history. Gives me chills haha
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by betterthanburke on Aug 13, 2009 4:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Best moment,IMO,too.
So,he holds the best and the worst moments in Magic history?
by Dzogi on Aug 13, 2009 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"You Either Die(retire) a Hero or You Live Long Enough to See Yourself Become the Villain."
Free Throws were absolute garbage.
Blind people can make Free Throws.
And do not give me this pressure blah blah, he was a paid professional and CHOKED.
You go into your office and you are sent an e mail. “Reply to this E-mail with a (!) and you and you’re company will be given millions of dollars”
If you are Nick Anderson you delete that E-mail 4 TIMES!!!
I would honor Brooks Thompson before this guy.
Nick Anderson you Bum.
The Homerism here is Laughable, but as a Magic fan since the inception I am used being laughed at.
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by Will Said Skills Pay the Billz? on Aug 13, 2009 9:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
My word I cant spell tonight
I wouldnt take my posts serious either with my 5th grader spelling today.
by cambi1 on Aug 13, 2009 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You seem more like a troll than a fan.
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by erivera7 on Aug 13, 2009 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks a lot
I just got on. Reading the archives id by and large agree with your analysis. But its not really a debate if I agree wholeheartedly. I think I’ve made enough legit points that it wouldnt be considered trolling. I just dont agree with your point.
by cambi1 on Aug 13, 2009 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wasn't responding to you.
I had no issues with the reasoning behind your counter-argument.
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by erivera7 on Aug 14, 2009 6:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know it appears as if I responded to you, but I didn't.
Your opinion and voice is more than welcome here. The site encourages discussion, even if disagreements arise. As long as everyone is respectful to each other, there are no problems.
I'm the other guy at Third Quarter Collapse, with a Twitter account.
"Never hate your enemies. It affects your judgement." - Michael Corleone
by erivera7 on Aug 14, 2009 6:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks
While I may not agree with you or anyone 100% I think thats the fun in discussion, the debate. I mostly havent chimed in before because you and Ben do a great job of analysis so theres not much need to add anything.
I notice Abbott caught wind of this debate over on Truehoop yesterday
by cambi1 on Aug 14, 2009 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can we add up Darrell's Pennies and Anderson stats
and then rank them against the other NBA teams top 3 retired Players.
Remember E, Our franchise Age has nothing do with retiring a jersey or not.
In fact just compare them to Bulls Lakers Celtics and Knicks.
Lets see whose trio is at the bottom.
"Sold your body!! Oh Bender, I been down that road. I know it's glamorous, and the parties are great. But you'll end up spending every dollar you make on jewelery and skin-tight pants." -- Hubert J. Farnsworth
by Will Said Skills Pay the Billz? on Aug 13, 2009 9:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Congratulations on two of the most incoherent comments I've ever read here at this site.
I won’t even bother responding to your claims because they’re so off-based, it’s not worth my time.
I'm the other guy at Third Quarter Collapse, with a Twitter account.
"Never hate your enemies. It affects your judgement." - Michael Corleone
by erivera7 on Aug 13, 2009 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know...
I’d bet Darrell actually has a lot of pennies. But does he have more pennies than Anderson has stats? That’s the crucial question.
Then again, I don’t think Darrell would bribe the team to get his number retired — and even if he did, he’d most likely use bills or a check. So you have to factor that in as well.
He's currently two-thirds man, one-third amazing. Which, let's face it, is still a pretty good ratio.
by 3.3seconds on Aug 14, 2009 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't forget good old plastic.
"Fun fact: Larry Hughes, who couldn’t stay healthy if all his human parts were replaced with bionic implants, is out for the next four weeks with a bruised leg. Do you think that Willis Reed ever reads about all these players missing time with bruises and sprained fingers and throws up in his mouth a little?"
by Diosnomeama on Aug 14, 2009 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs




















