Orlando Magic News for July 30th: A Look at a Divisional & State Rival, Vince Carter, and More
by erivera7 on Jul 30, 2009 4:29 PM EDT
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Lamar Odom wouldn't make the Heat a championship team
Tania Ganguli examines what Lamar Odom's possible commitment to the Miami Heat means for the franchise, and indirectly, for the Orlando Magic. -
Does Vince Carter carry the burden of proof this season?
The Orlando Sentinel linked to a FOXSports.com story this morning, which lists Vince Carter as one of the players in the NBA who will be carrying a big burden heading into next season. Take a look, it's an interesting take. -
Jason Williams, Jamaal Tinsley add intrigue to NBA free-agency
Scott Howard-Cooper of Sports Illustrated takes a look at two free agents looking for a team to join.Subtly, without great fanfare, without much more than official notification and maybe a canned statement, the landscape changed.
It must be said that Jamaal Tinsley has no shot at joining the Magic (his character being the main issue), but Williams may be an option as Orlando's third point guard. It may not happen, but it's not outside the realm possibility.
Jason Williams and Jamaal Tinsley aren't good enough to create public clamor by becoming free agents. They were not able to in their finest moments, and this definitely is not that, so the fitting-in thing serves them much better anyway after previous brushes as a spectacle. A spotlight is the last thing they should want in their comeback summer.
But change the market did. Williams is a late-arriving unrestricted free agent at point guard, and Tinsley is a late-arriving unrestricted free agent at point guard, and, my, that does make things more interesting. -
NBA, NHL soften stance on jersey ads
USA Today reports that the NBA will allow teams to sell ads on their practice jerseys - beginning this season - and possibly, on their game jerseys."We are operating a diverse business all around the world," [deputy commissioner Adam] Silver says. "(The sponsored game jersey) is a well-established practice in other countries. Ultimately, I think our fans will come to accept it."
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Van Gundy: 'Otis has done a tremendous job' this summer
UPDATE: Josh Robbins speaks with head coach Stan Van Gundy and gathers a myriad of quotes from the coach - he has plenty to say, as always."Otis has done a tremendous job, I think, not only in signing good players but really getting pieces that have a very good chance of fitting together well," Van Gundy said. "I think that we've got several very versatile guys. I think we've got about every situation covered. I don't think that there's really any kind of lineup that we can't play."
For now, however, Van Gundy said he doesn't have his mind made up on the fifth starter. [...]
"I think we certainly have that option to play [conventionally], but I think at the same time, we've still got very much the ability to spread people out and play the way we've played in the past," Van Gundy said.
"Brandon certainly gives us a chance to play more conventionally at times and get a more physical presence, but at the same time, I think we also can do even more in terms of keeping the floor spread out."Seems SVG is leaning towards maintaining the status quo, lineup-wise.
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Stan Van Gundy thinks Lamar Odom and Carlos Boozer moving to the east would seriously impact the Eastern Conference
UPDATE 2: More SVG quotes for your reading pleasure. Enjoy.
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Yeah it looks that way
I just want our guys to get used to playing in the Big lineup with Bass… since we are going to need it against Boston in the playoffs
Ugh
I hope they don’t start advertising on game jerseys. I hope they won’t end up looking like the Nascar race uniforms…
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Re: Odom and the Heat
I don’t think Odom by himself leads to a championship, but I believe Odom and Boozer together (which I heard is a good possibility if Odom does sign with the Heat) would lend to them be a challenger to the Magic, Celtics, and Cavs for the East crown, though I doubt it’d be enough to push them over the top.
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Well, Lamar went back to the Lakers after weeks of stalling.
As for your point about Boozer and Odom, I disagree that adding those two players would have made the Heat a threat to challenge Boston, Cleveland, or Orlando. Rather than elaborate myself, here’s a link .. it’s Insider, so if you don’t have it, Hollinger points out that Miami wouldn’t improve much with the additions.
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I am pissed the crappy teams with cap space didn't try to get Odom away from the Lakers
Don’t they know that signing him away from the Lakers is beating them by attrition
by Souwantmyname on Jul 30, 2009 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Doing that wouldn't make sense for teams trying to be fiscally responsible.
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"fiscally responsible"
aka CHEAP BASTARDS
by Souwantmyname on Jul 31, 2009 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions
the ads on the jerseys aren't that bad, for me
i watch and follow so much soccer, it seems almost natural to me. more money for your favorite team is rarely a bad thing…
AIG is a horrible example, but i think they signed like a 10 year $100 million deal with Manchester United. that’s not chump change.
as long as they’re not getting a new sponsor every year (rendering the jersey you bought last year obsolete ), i don’t have a huge issue with it.
I actually think the WNBA are breaking ground in American sports
It’s smart for them since their league is struggling to earn money. Pretty soon the rest of the sports leagues will be in the same position.
I wouldn’t mind if the advertisement is predominate on the back of the jersey
YES
Does Vince Carter carry the burden of proof this season?
VC needs to bring it!! The guy is making 15 million dollars a year and he was recently traded to the Eastern Conference Champs..
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I completely disagree.
The burden on VC isn’t that heavy, because he isn’t “the man” on the team and he isn’t expected to lead.
He’s expected to contribute. Big difference.
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I know it is to early Playoff Projection-Eastern conference
1. Orlando-Just too deep
2. Boston (If KG healthy flip flop)
3. Cleveland-LBJ and The Diesel Nuff Said..
4. Philly-I think Brand makes them a better team next year
5. Miami-Wade needs help bad..
6.Atlanta-Good team, but has a couple of holes.
7.Toronto-Bosh and Hedo, will get them to .500
8.Detroit-Stuckey, Rip, T. Prince, Charlie V, and Gordon will get you 40 wins
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I refuse to rank the top three teams in the East
They are just too even. Honestly, the seedings will probably come down to who can stay the healthiest, because I don’t really see that much of a difference in talent level between Orlando, Cleveland and Boston. If everyone is healthy I’d give the slight not to Boston.
I strongly disagree about Philly. They were actually better off w/o him last year. That team was pretty much built to be an up-tempo team and Brand just didn’t fit in. I don’t see Philly being more than a 6-seed.
4-8 I’d put like this.
4 – Atlanta
5 – Detroit
6 – Miami (Unless they pull a deal for Boozer, then as high as 4)
7 – Toronto
8 – Philly/Washington
But 4-8 is really kind of a moot point since 1-3 are so far out of everyone else’s league it’s not even funny.
by Lee for three on Jul 30, 2009 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I hear you about Philly
I just think with Dre gone and Elton Brand back they are different team.. AI continues to improve.. Brand and Samuel D make a nice Front court. They need a quality PG bad though or they will fall to were you have them at 8.
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That's why the Sixers drafted Holiday, to replace MIller.
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and..
Sounds like Holiday has a long way to go..
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by Wmillion on Jul 30, 2009 11:13 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Which is to be expected, but he'll be able to play the point.
That’s his natural position, even though he was a shooting guard at UCLA.
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Philly??? Cmon
They’re shackled by finances and won’t be able to add anything of consequence to the roster. They lost one of the better starting point guards in the NBA and replaced him with a mid first round draft pick. They get no production from the center position and lost their backup in Theo Ratliff. Brand coming back is a complete wildcard, no one knows how he fits in with that team.
4-8
4. Atlanta
5. Washington
6. Miami
7. Chicago
8. Toronto
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by ben_gleicher on Jul 31, 2009 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
ohh..
I forgot about GA coming back next season. Washington will be in the mix.
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I also just realized I forgot about Chicago
Losing Ben Gordon is big, but they will have Deng back. I’ll put them in that 8-seed mix with Philly and Washington.
by Lee for three on Jul 30, 2009 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions
They need Deng healthy
otherwise they are in trouble..
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Won't matter, either way.
The Bulls won’t be making any major noise this coming season.
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Yeah, I can't rank #1-#3 in the Eastern Conference.
Too many variables, as you stated.
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No way detroit sees the playoffs.
1 Orlando – Easy pick
2 Boston – If everyone remains healthy
3 Cleveland – Shaq doesn’t make them that much better, Anthony Parker might help more
4 Atlanta – Young team who’s getting better every year, Josh Smith underperformed last year
5 Washington – If Arenas has rehabbed properly, he’s an all-star, but not an MVP candidate
6 Toronto – Hedo will help, and they continue to develope. I like Belinelli.
7 Miami – Last year was an anomoly created by sheer force of will on Wade’s part. No repeat without help.
8 Indiana – Definitely a better team than Detroit or Philly, though any of the 3 could take #8
hmmm
Indiana interesting pick. UNC fan, so I am pulling for psycho T. Hibbert’s development is the key.
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by Wmillion on Jul 30, 2009 11:18 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Your predictions pass the eye test.
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Nice but here's mine
1. Orlando (if Jameer stays healthy)
2. Boston (if they stay injured)
3. Cleveland (LeBron and Nike will get them there)
4. Toronto (Weak division)
5. Atlanta (Everyone important is back)
6. Philly (no PG means trouble)
7. Washington (they are sneaky good this year)
8. New jersey (They are gonna be pushing for wins all year so they can entice LeBron next year)
by Souwantmyname on Jul 31, 2009 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions
"Ultimately, I think our fans will come to accept it."
Sure, in the same way I accept death and politics. Given the choice between no pro basketball and having more ads shoved down my throat, I guess I’ll take the former.
"Fun fact: Larry Hughes, who couldn’t stay healthy if all his human parts were replaced with bionic implants, is out for the next four weeks with a bruised leg. Do you think that Willis Reed ever reads about all these players missing time with bruises and sprained fingers and throws up in his mouth a little?"
I don't see anything wrong with it.
Makes sense, from a financial standpoint.
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They clutter the jerseys
Most of em are hideous. I want to watch basketball, not a 2.5 hour long commercial. There are some lines you don’t cross with regards to the sanctity of the game. I don’t care what they do in Europe. Basketball uniforms are sacred territory for me. You have a team, you have a player, and thats it; no Dell logos or McDonald arches. Its an emabarrasment to the game.
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by ben_gleicher on Jul 31, 2009 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
That's your opinion.
Doesn’t change the fact the NBA is in a precarious position, financially, and need to find new ways of generating revenue.
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Uniform ads seem tacky to me, and the league needs to explore other revenue streams before putting ads on them. Absolute last-resort option.
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Agreed, ads on jerseys would be F'IN terrible...
IMO it won’t happen. The NBA wouldn’t cave before NFL/MLB/NHL, at least it better not. Do we want big Pepsi signs on our jerseys? Or worse. Good luck selling those NBA. I can guaran-F’IN-tee you, nobody’s buying a Magic jersey with a MOBIL gas station print on the back.
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by DieSlowKeyshawn on Jul 30, 2009 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe so, but the NBA needs the money.
Half of the league is in the red, so teams have to strum up another way of bringing in revenue.
This happens to be one of those ways.
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You won't be saying that when the games end up being sponsored by Vagisil,
or something else equally irrelevant to pro sports. Because nothing says “NBA” to me like a yeast infection.
"Fun fact: Larry Hughes, who couldn’t stay healthy if all his human parts were replaced with bionic implants, is out for the next four weeks with a bruised leg. Do you think that Willis Reed ever reads about all these players missing time with bruises and sprained fingers and throws up in his mouth a little?"
by Diosnomeama on Jul 31, 2009 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hah.
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so something geared towards athlete's foot or jock itch, then?
Still a girl.
by TheGiantSquid on Jul 31, 2009 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Itchy crotches in general bother me, yes.
"Fun fact: Larry Hughes, who couldn’t stay healthy if all his human parts were replaced with bionic implants, is out for the next four weeks with a bruised leg. Do you think that Willis Reed ever reads about all these players missing time with bruises and sprained fingers and throws up in his mouth a little?"
And foot fungus.
And auto insurance, and cell phones, and fast food, and………………………….
"Fun fact: Larry Hughes, who couldn’t stay healthy if all his human parts were replaced with bionic implants, is out for the next four weeks with a bruised leg. Do you think that Willis Reed ever reads about all these players missing time with bruises and sprained fingers and throws up in his mouth a little?"
good to know
*scratches eyes out *
Still a girl.
by TheGiantSquid on Aug 1, 2009 1:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Don't scratch your eyes out.
You’ll miss the premiere of the Vagisil/Lamisil/Tinactin/Verizon/Progressive halftime report.
"Fun fact: Larry Hughes, who couldn’t stay healthy if all his human parts were replaced with bionic implants, is out for the next four weeks with a bruised leg. Do you think that Willis Reed ever reads about all these players missing time with bruises and sprained fingers and throws up in his mouth a little?"
no Viagra! D:
it’s embarrassing enough watching games on ESPN with my dad when they show about a million Viagra commercials in a row DDD:
Still a girl.
by TheGiantSquid on Aug 1, 2009 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Interesting discussion. *walks away*
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My issue with sponsors, is where to put them?
I’m an aussie and one of the biggest national sports is Rugby League. Now we have sponsors on those jerseys and they fit fine, HOWEVER- They have sleeves for sponsors, and don’t feature numbers on the front of jersey, so a sponsor can be fit there. The back only features the player number, and no last name (so there is another sponsorship spot between the shoulder blades)
My question is, there the F do you fit advertisements on an NBA jersey?
Bleeding Blue Black and Silver for 20 of my 23 years.
Just remember,
Orlando is going to face some STIFF competition this season.
"Fun fact: Larry Hughes, who couldn’t stay healthy if all his human parts were replaced with bionic implants, is out for the next four weeks with a bruised leg. Do you think that Willis Reed ever reads about all these players missing time with bruises and sprained fingers and throws up in his mouth a little?"
+1
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by Wmillion on Jul 30, 2009 11:14 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
SVG
Comments got me thinking. Anderson at the 4 might be more lethal then Bass at the 4!! So many options.
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by Wmillion on Jul 31, 2009 12:18 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
I think Anderson at the 4 provides more offense and floor stretch, Bass at the 4 provides more defense and rebounding
I’ve mentioned before that I prefer Anderson-Howard and Bass-Gortat as the non-Lewis frontcourt rotations, since Anderson stretches the floor more. This is, of course, subject to change once we actually see the guys play together, but I think Bass-Gortat could be a lockdown lineup, and Howard should help cover for Anderson’s lesser D (that’s not a knock on Anderson per se, Bass is just a very solid defender).
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Offense isnt a problem on the 1st team..
that’s why Ryan should be on the 2nd team
by Souwantmyname on Jul 31, 2009 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes and NO
The 2nd team doesn’t all play together..
It would something like this.
Jameer
VC
Peitrus
Bass
Gortat
Between those 5 they can get the job done, while Lu, Anderson, and D12 rest.
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There's no way that Anderson starts.
If he does, I’d be shocked.
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There is a definite possibility.
He started games for New Jersey last season and was very productive even though he didn’t get too many open looks. SVG said that the spot is open for the taking in training camp. Out of Barnes, Bass, and Pietrus, he has as good a shot as anybody.
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by ben_gleicher on Jul 31, 2009 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Lewis is starting but we don't know were yet
by Souwantmyname on Jul 31, 2009 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, my point is...
Anderson isn’t goint to start at the 4 if Lewis is at the 3. Neither is Pietrus or Barnes. Bass is a possibility.
No, there's not.
Anderson isn’t starting.
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Why?
It almost makes too much sense for what we do..
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Because, that's not SVG's plan.
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