Hedo Turkoglu rejects Blazers, ends negotiations

Dun dun dunnnnnnnn!

The plot thickens!

by Stan in a Van (Down by the River) on Jul 3, 2009 9:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Here's some more

Hedo to Toronto?

5 years and $56 freaking million.

Wowsers.

by eltharion_doa on Jul 3, 2009 9:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

That makes no sense

For an extra million a year you are giving up the chance to play for a perennial top 4-5 team in the West…to go to a team that’s a borderline playoff team in the East? Really??

by Lee for three on Jul 3, 2009 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

This whole free agency period makes no sense

Every time someone makes a move I’m like lolwat.

by eltharion_doa on Jul 3, 2009 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I guess he has the Latrell Sprewell problem

Has to be able to feed his family

by Lee for three on Jul 3, 2009 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hedo stated he feels more comfortable in Toronto.

.. plus, that’s what his wife preferred.

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by erivera7 on Jul 4, 2009 2:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

i would

rather live in toronto than portland. chris bosh is cool too.

Nah' mean, nah'm sayin

by Dr Things on Jul 4, 2009 2:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

He probably didn't want to have to listen to his wife bitch about living in the northwest

by AB's triple double on Jul 3, 2009 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Canada though?

What up?

by snakethejake on Jul 3, 2009 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

yeah I don't think my joke quite went through

/bad joke about Canada

by TheGiantSquid on Jul 4, 2009 1:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah, didn't catch that.

by Ariel112 on Jul 4, 2009 1:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

i've never been to Canada, so I can't knock it... but I think I was trying to make a similar joke there..

What up?

by snakethejake on Jul 4, 2009 2:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I've been so Canada

and it’s a beautiful country. But it’s so opposite of Florida in almost every way it’s laughable. I don’t know why his wife preferred it.

by TheGiantSquid on Jul 4, 2009 2:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

because it's July

wait till she sees August. :)

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by tandur on Jul 4, 2009 5:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Toronto is a great city.

People there are very friendly and there is a lot to do. The only down side i found was it’s about $12 for a beer.

The Surfdog

by Surfdog on Jul 4, 2009 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

public transportation's not that great

though somehow I don’t think that’ll be a problem for Turk and the family.

You better be worth it, Vince.

by TheGiantSquid on Jul 4, 2009 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm sure it is...

I was commenting on TGS’ comment of “it’s a beautiful country.”

Sure it is, now. It’s summer. Wait till the winter starts month and you spend 6 months staring at white walls of snow (and the nasty black snow on the roads.)

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by tandur on Jul 4, 2009 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm sure there are cheaper bars

If you know where to go. Around universities it’s always cheaper.

by eltharion_doa on Jul 4, 2009 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Free agent Hedo Turkoglu(notes) has backed out of his commitment to the Portland Trail Blazers and plans to sign with the Toronto Raptors, a source close to the talks told Yahoo! Sports on Friday night.

Turkoglu had agreed on a five-year, $50 million deal with the Blazers, but changed his mind and could be headed for a five-year, $56 million deal with the Raptors. Toronto would have to renounce three free agents – Shawn Marion(notes), Carlos Delfino(notes) and Anthony Parker(notes) – to create the cap space for Turkoglu.

Apparently, the Blazers are already busy exploring other free-agent options for the $9 million in salary-cap space.

A source says Turkoglu’s wife wanted badly to live in Toronto, a far more European-style city, and that’s where it appears the Turkish native is headed. The Raptors have embraced the Euro game under GM Bryan Colangelo, building a roster that includes Euro talents Jose Calderon and Andrea Bargnani.

Five years ago, Turkoglu was close to signing with the Phoenix Suns that Colangelo was running, but changed his mind and went to the Orlando Magic.
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I was talking about this with a friend. How Turk would love Toronto most, and his wife and family would love the city too. More money too, just sad the Blazers and Turk lost each other. I hope theres no bad blood there.

by derekk on Jul 3, 2009 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

.. it was an honest-to-goodness change of heart.

I’m sure people will criticize Turkoglu, but I don’t think it’s entirely warranted.

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by erivera7 on Jul 4, 2009 2:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

That means Marion's up for grabs

Toronto was offering him like 32 over 4 years, but they’ve got to waive him to make that offer to Turk.

by farfromfl on Jul 3, 2009 10:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Eh

If we’re taking on Raptors castoffs, I’d prefer Anthony Parker – at least he’s a reliable three point shooter. Obviously he’s old so it’d only be on a one or two year deal, but he can’t be worth much on the open market.

by eltharion_doa on Jul 3, 2009 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I like Parker too

If anything, just to keep him away from the Cavs.

Solid backup SG/SF.

by bandrewg08 on Jul 3, 2009 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'll pass on Parker.

.. cue Kevin Pelton.

http://www.basketballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=715

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by erivera7 on Jul 4, 2009 2:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Eh

Just says he’s in decline, which is undeniable. But to play 10-15 behind Pietrus, on the veteran’s minimum, for one or two seasons, as a last resort? Decent.

by eltharion_doa on Jul 4, 2009 7:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Look at the numbers.

They’re below-average .. he’s 33, not a good defender, etc.

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by erivera7 on Jul 4, 2009 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well

It says he’s not as good a defender as he used to be, which isn’t the same as not a good defender full stop.

by eltharion_doa on Jul 4, 2009 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

He's not a good defender, right now.

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by erivera7 on Jul 5, 2009 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think he'd be perfect, but...

…unless he comes for less than the MLE, he’s not coming. Unfortunately, I doubt we’re in the running for any of the remaining big names.

Our best bet is probably splitting the MLE between two (maybe three?) vets and filling the rest with summer campers. McDyess, Hill, Bowen, and Barnes are a few I would like to see here.

by bandrewg08 on Jul 3, 2009 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

not necessarily

you could sign and trade for Marion and go over the MLE. Might be Marion’s only chance to get money over the MLE and I think he’d fit great in Orlando, definitely worth going to 7-8 million for.

by JSlakov on Jul 4, 2009 1:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

.. keep dreaming.

The Magic aren’t going to go after Marion.

Otis has explicitly stated that he intends to split the mid-level exception among a few players.

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by erivera7 on Jul 4, 2009 2:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

ugh I don't want him anyway

so good

by TheGiantSquid on Jul 4, 2009 2:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

well

just saying that a sign and trade wouldnt affect the mid level exception. I’m not even a Magic fan, so I’m not really dreaming, just trying to figure out whats the best for this team. If they would be willing to pay a lot in tax they could get themselves a really strong team.

by JSlakov on Jul 4, 2009 2:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

A sign-and-trade wouldn't affect the MLE.

.. the Magic aren’t going to go deep in the tax. $5 to $7 million, that’s it.

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by erivera7 on Jul 4, 2009 3:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

dear Hedo

stop jerking my emotions around, thx

-Squid

by TheGiantSquid on Jul 3, 2009 10:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

LOL TGS

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by pookeyguru on Jul 3, 2009 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Here comes Marion

Best case scenario as he will fit in perfectly with this team. An offseason where Anderson, Carter, Marion, and Bass are added might be the single greatest in Magic history.

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by Eyriq the Red on Jul 3, 2009 10:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

We won't be able to afford Marion and Bass

We’re not going to offer the full MLE to him, because we have too many spots to fill. Someone will give him the full MLE or possibly more.

Bass is possible, but not with Marion. It’s too bad, because I think he could have gotten somewhere close to his old All-Star form in our system.

by bandrewg08 on Jul 3, 2009 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

not necessarily

If they did a sign and trade for Marion they wouldn’t have to use any of the MLE if I have it right.

by JSlakov on Jul 4, 2009 1:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

No way Orlando affords both ..

.. these scenarios are completely unrealistic.

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by erivera7 on Jul 4, 2009 2:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

"the single greatest [offseason] in Magic history."

“the single greatest [offseason] in Magic history.”

Well, except the offseason which Weisbrod gets no credit for. The one in which he drafted Dwight over Okafor, traded with Denver for their draft pick Jameer, and signed Turk!

by DaveBear on Jul 3, 2009 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Oh snap. Good one

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by Eyriq the Red on Jul 3, 2009 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Unlikely both Bass and Marion

I agree with bandrewg08, we won’t spend the money for both Marion and Bass.

Eyriq, I’m not so confident that Marion would fit well in our system. While he chucks up a lot of outside shots, his outside shot isn’t consistent enough, to start with. He would, however, combine with Rashard to form the same kind of interchangable 3/4 lineup we had with Turk. That 3/4 combo was deadly for other teams, and he would allow us to keep running it. It’d certainly be interesting.

by DaveBear on Jul 3, 2009 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Stan Van Gundy could make something work, but .. it's all a moot point.

Welcome to 3QC, btw!

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by erivera7 on Jul 4, 2009 2:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Everybody here in Portland aren't especially liking Hedo right now....

yeah, i know it’s not a big market, but for God’s sakes, Toronto is buried under 4 feet of snow at least 3 mos out of the year. he’ll probably have to take a dog sled to get to games! Wow, he takes 6$ mil more to go play on a lousy team that WILL lose Chris Bosh next year, instead of coming to Portland where, yes, it rains a lot here, but it’s not too cold and not too hot, you’ve got the mountains and the beach less than 2 hrs away and they have a young and upcoming team that most likely will get to the Western conf finals in a year or two and might have had a chance to win with him on the team!!
I feel like I just got left at the altar!!!!!!!!!!

by jenstcy on Jul 3, 2009 10:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Happy wife = happy life,

love can be blind you. hah.

by Ariel112 on Jul 3, 2009 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

*blind you.

by Ariel112 on Jul 3, 2009 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

And the NBA is a business,

don’t take it so personal.

by Ariel112 on Jul 3, 2009 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

yeah, i guess it wasn't meant to be...

but i really wanted Greg to turn into the next Dwight Howard.

by jenstcy on Jul 3, 2009 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Haha, I don't think that will happen,

haven’t you heard Oden plans on being injured next season?

by Ariel112 on Jul 3, 2009 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Haha, too true.

by DaveBear on Jul 3, 2009 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Ouch. That hurt....

….it’s probably true….
But they had 54 wins on practically all draft picks, plus a starter out all last season and Greg out for half…I still have hope!!!!

by jenstcy on Jul 3, 2009 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Can't deny that.

and their way under the cap with that record. Portland has lots of potential, but I don’t expect them to build around Oden as their big man.

by Ariel112 on Jul 3, 2009 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I like Oden. Hopefully he pans out ..

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by erivera7 on Jul 4, 2009 2:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

You might be the only one outside of Portland who thinks that.

A couple of weeks ago I was reading a article on the “10 worst draft picks ever” and Greg was like #4. Which I found funny since he hasn’t even played a whole season in the NBA. I hope next year: Most Improved Player Award!

by jenstcy on Jul 4, 2009 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think Oden will work out. All the knee-jerk reactions about him being a bust so far are a little ridiculous. That said I like Oden too, he seems like a great guy and I think he’ll turn out to be a productive NBA player.

by Rebounder on Jul 4, 2009 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

he's alot more mobile than I thought

considering the surgery and everything… but I saw flashes of something I really liked watching them. The kid has game, that’s for sure. I see him in a Patrick Ewing mold down the line.

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by tandur on Jul 4, 2009 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm pretty sure

That the fact he’s never played a whole season in the NBA is actually the reason why he’s on the list.

by eltharion_doa on Jul 4, 2009 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Don't feel jilted.

Hedo had a change of heart .. it happens. This is nothing like the Carlos Boozer situation.

In fact, it might be a blessing in disguise. Portland doesn’t have to worry about committing a long-term contract to a 30-year old. The Blazers can go out and find a point guard or whatever else the team needs.

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by erivera7 on Jul 4, 2009 2:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

That's what Dave @ Bedge said too

Quite honestly I’m trying to figure out why Portland HAS to play the FA market with all their young talent they already have that complements each other very well.

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by pookeyguru on Jul 4, 2009 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

The Blazers need to use the money before it dries up having to re-up Aldridge, Roy, etc.

This is Portland’s last chance to get someone for free.

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by erivera7 on Jul 4, 2009 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

When you have a whole rotation of young players with various abilities

I wonder why.

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by pookeyguru on Jul 4, 2009 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

No point NOT spending the money.

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by erivera7 on Jul 4, 2009 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

There's financial investment

AND there’s emotional investment. There’s also physical investment, but I’m not sure that really applies any more to the Blazers than any other team in the NBA.

My point is that money is one way to build a team. Personally, I think the Blazers are wasting their time trying to get a great player through Free Agency, and I think they’re trying to push this team to a championship level before it’s ready.

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by pookeyguru on Jul 4, 2009 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

They do have weaknesses, though

And the rest of the NBA isn’t going to stand still whilst their kids get better.

If you can improve your team, unless you’re rebuiling, you pretty much have to.

by eltharion_doa on Jul 4, 2009 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Everybody here in Portland is not to happy with Hedo....

But we are in love with his wife! 5 year contract? No thanks.

by Sabonis4Ever on Jul 7, 2009 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Wow

I’m speechless.

I hope he doesn’t come back now.

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by Orlando Rays on Jul 3, 2009 10:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

He won't.

.. Turk is heading to Toronto.

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by erivera7 on Jul 4, 2009 2:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Who scripted this Off-season?

The writers from Lost?

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Kristin Kreuk is teh love.

Still miss em: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvvgVn0gg1E

by Wasabi Steak on Jul 4, 2009 12:09 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs

I'm ready for the season to start

Not only has there been an arms race between the big 5 (Boston, Cleveland, Orlando, LA, San Antonio) but the Detroit signings, the TWolves fiasco, Rubio sweepstakes, and now Hedo’s flip flop. All this and free agency hasn’t even officially started yet! The NBA its a FANtastic!

by atlantaray on Jul 4, 2009 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

It's been an interesting start to free agency, that's for sure.

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by erivera7 on Jul 4, 2009 2:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

this

greatest comment about this post season yet.

you win

Nah' mean, nah'm sayin

by Dr Things on Jul 4, 2009 2:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

*off season

Nah' mean, nah'm sayin

by Dr Things on Jul 4, 2009 2:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Or Prison Break

More twists than a cork screw

If you want to trade our spare parts for Devin Harris, I have three quarters I would like to trade for your dollar

by Norsktroll on Jul 4, 2009 4:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

From this Day forward, I dub thee GREEDO Turkoglu!

At least we all now know that Greedo would’ve left us for $1 more.

Still gonna miss his greedy @ss tho!!!

by blue-blood on Jul 4, 2009 12:27 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

He may also sometimes use the alias, He-DOUGH!!

by blue-blood on Jul 4, 2009 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

He said he would have signed for less with the Magic but not that much LESS.

Would you turn down an additional 2mil. a year if you were a player? If they would have done something for him back when they signed the 118 million dollar Man he probably would still be here.$$$ make the world go round when it reaches a cut-throat market level. Personally i’m glad he got his dough because he deserves it IMO.

The Surfdog

by Surfdog on Jul 4, 2009 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

The problem was as i see it.

They didn’t want to talk to him and wanted this to play out. So now it HAS played out and this is the result. So WHO are you gonna blame?

The Surfdog

by Surfdog on Jul 4, 2009 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hedo knew what he was worth

He had $50m on the table, he wasn’t going to consider much less than that and we were never going to pay him that much.

by eltharion_doa on Jul 4, 2009 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Probably so.

But i don’t think he got the offer till he hit the FA. market.

The Surfdog

by Surfdog on Jul 5, 2009 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Come on

The guys were talking with agents who were talking with front offices and getting a feel for where the market’s going to be the second Kobe got his fingers on the O’Brien.

Hedo knew what there was on the free agency market for him, or at least had a pretty good idea.

by eltharion_doa on Jul 5, 2009 8:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

That's why he opted out.

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by erivera7 on Jul 5, 2009 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

HE'S no dummy.

The Surfdog

by Surfdog on Jul 6, 2009 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

At least Somebody (Toronto) wanted him.

To renounce 3 players and pay him what he wanted means they wanted him bad. Portland wanted him but not THAT bad.

The Surfdog

by Surfdog on Jul 6, 2009 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

So now that he's in the East does that mean we get to watch him

come back and bite and bite the Magic in the Arse?

The Surfdog

by Surfdog on Jul 6, 2009 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

2 bites that's bad.

The Surfdog

by Surfdog on Jul 6, 2009 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I guess a ring just isn't as important as it used to be

Seriously.

by Vindibudd on Jul 4, 2009 12:44 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Doubt he would have won a ring with Portland.

.. not with Los Angeles and San Antonio duking it out.

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by erivera7 on Jul 4, 2009 2:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

He could have with Orlando.

Didn’t even have to opt out to begin with. I wouldn’t have. But then I can barely make it by on 7 million a year, so what do I know.

by Vindibudd on Jul 4, 2009 3:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

You're a fan

He’s a professional. He plays basketball to earn his living. His living is $20m more lucrative by going to Toronto.

by eltharion_doa on Jul 4, 2009 7:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah cause after next year there is no one that is going to offer him a contract

Get real.

by Vindibudd on Jul 4, 2009 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

He blows out his knee next season

And has to retire.

$43m lost.

You’re the one who needs to get real. You take the money when it’s on the table.

by eltharion_doa on Jul 4, 2009 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Blah....

We have the lakers number…and we beat the spurs 3 out of 4 times last season.

by Sabonis4Ever on Jul 7, 2009 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Come on

There’s $20m difference between Orlando’s offer and Toronto’s. Only someone absolutely loaded can afford to turn down $20m guaranteed.

by eltharion_doa on Jul 4, 2009 7:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hedo provides the dream

Nobody recently has posted the Magic dream scenario. Sign and trade with Toronto with Hedo, JJ Redick (or Marcin Gortat) and draft picks for Chris Bosh. He’s leaving Toronto, anyway. Toronto may as well keep Marion, Parker and Delfino and get something for them later and get something for Bosh now. Otherwise this doesn’t make a lot of sense for Hedo since he would be paid in Canadian dollars, instead of U$ dollars, so the 56 million is less than 50 million in Portland (except for any taxes).
Does a starting group of Nelson, Carter, Bosh, Lewis and Howard scare the rest of the NBA?

by kjfifteen on Jul 4, 2009 1:07 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

if that line-up is put together for this season....

i will jizz and sh1t myself at the same time, no homo.

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by magic12ball on Jul 4, 2009 1:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

jizzing and sh1ting yourself

has absolutely nothing to do with homosexuality

but i understand what you’re saying

Nah' mean, nah'm sayin

by Dr Things on Jul 4, 2009 2:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

yeah don't bother trying to explain it

You better be worth it, Vince.

by TheGiantSquid on Jul 4, 2009 2:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

hahaha...........hadn't seen no homo in a while............classic

by AB's triple double on Jul 4, 2009 3:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Although we could never pay for those contracts,

and fill the rest of the roster with an anywhere near decent bench, Bosh, Lewis and Howard all playing together probably wouldn’t work that well, not enough shots/touches for each player, way to many dominant players in one line-up

by Ariel112 on Jul 4, 2009 1:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

USA Basketball

= Gold Medal

LBJ, KB, Superman, CP3, Melo, Wade……..it would work.

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by magic12ball on Jul 4, 2009 1:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

That was temporary,

Howard and Bosh are both centers, why spend 35mil+ for one position, Otis would never do that.

by Ariel112 on Jul 4, 2009 1:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Dream scenario? Maybe in NBA 2K9.

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by erivera7 on Jul 4, 2009 2:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

funny you mention that

I just simulated that squad in the association mode and guess what, we won sucka, lol, or course we played POR in the Finals though, kinda random, but yeah! boo yah E, jk. FML

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by magic12ball on Jul 4, 2009 2:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Keep dreaming.

The Raptors are in win-now mode and are trying to convince Chris Bosh to stay. It makes no sense for them to commit so much money to Turk, only to turn around and trade Bosh.

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by Ben Q Rock on Jul 4, 2009 3:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yes and no

If Bosh won’t re-up long term, why not move him, and get something in return..

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by Wmillion on Jul 4, 2009 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

They won't trade him ..

.. I’d be shocked if Colangelo tried.

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by erivera7 on Jul 4, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

If let Bosh walk and get nothing

That would be a mistake..

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by Wmillion on Jul 4, 2009 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Maybe.

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by erivera7 on Jul 5, 2009 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

This is odd news.

Portland is a wonderful city . Toronto is larger and more cosmopolitan, but after spending time in Sacramento and Orlando, hasn’t Hedo discovered the pleasures of small-town life?

I also don’t understand what Toronto is thinking. Hedo could be a great addition to an already-good team, but Toronto is mediocre at best. Signing Hedo to a 5-year deal will do little to change that fact (and, over the long-term, may trap them in that position).

by gift of the magi on Jul 4, 2009 1:50 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I think his wife

Is a little more keen on the pleasures of big town life.

A lot shorter plane ride to London too, amirite?

by eltharion_doa on Jul 4, 2009 7:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

You forgot that year detour in SA too

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by pookeyguru on Jul 4, 2009 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

so are we absolutely certain Hedo's going to Toronto

and not coming back here?

Also, I find it amusing how much Banu (his wife) has to say in this whole matter :D

by TheGiantSquid on Jul 4, 2009 1:55 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

He wouldn't come back here even if it wasn't certain.

by Ariel112 on Jul 4, 2009 2:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

why? :(

(for the record, I haven’t been following hardly any of the free agency stuff since school began for me again, so yeah, these questions are probably really stupid but eh…)

by TheGiantSquid on Jul 4, 2009 2:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

We don't have cap space and clearly Hedo is all about the money,

and it would make no sense for us to have Carter, Hedo and Pietrus.

by Ariel112 on Jul 4, 2009 2:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

it's sad how the measurement of success in the NBA now is money

instead of championships. Okay, that’s a broad generalization, but still… :|

by TheGiantSquid on Jul 4, 2009 2:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Artest wants a ring.

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by erivera7 on Jul 4, 2009 2:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Artest is completely insane

by TheGiantSquid on Jul 4, 2009 2:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

That and noone was going to offer him more than the MLE anyway

He might as well have gone to the Lakers.

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by funny80sguy on Jul 4, 2009 2:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm a big Ron Ron fan.

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by erivera7 on Jul 4, 2009 2:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

he's completely insane

I can see why you like him.

by TheGiantSquid on Jul 4, 2009 2:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I know you don't care

But I think the Pistons fans inside the Palace hold the MOST amount of blame there. (And, for what it’s worth, I would have went after that fan if it was me.)

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by pookeyguru on Jul 4, 2009 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

don't get me wrong

I think what happened there is the most hilarious event ever, and believe it or not, I don’t solely blame Artest at all. I, personally, don’t want him on our team because he’s crazy, but I don’t hate him or anything.

You better be worth it, Vince.

by TheGiantSquid on Jul 4, 2009 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah

Your last sentence is why July 31st 2008 remains one of my favorite moments as a Kings fan.

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by pookeyguru on Jul 4, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

hah :D

You better be worth it, Vince.

by TheGiantSquid on Jul 4, 2009 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I see you've stopped sobbing :)

That’s good.

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by pookeyguru on Jul 4, 2009 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

oh whatever

I never actually cried. It’s called being ~over-dramatic ~

You better be worth it, Vince.

by TheGiantSquid on Jul 4, 2009 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

LOL

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

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by pookeyguru on Jul 4, 2009 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

and why wouldn't I care? :(

You better be worth it, Vince.

by TheGiantSquid on Jul 4, 2009 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Because our own opinion always matters more to us than someone else's

It wasn’t a slight trust me. Just an honest look at human nature.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jul 4, 2009 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

how deep of you

You better be worth it, Vince.

by TheGiantSquid on Jul 4, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah

I should go swimming now.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jul 4, 2009 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

watch out for the shallow end

You better be worth it, Vince.

by TheGiantSquid on Jul 4, 2009 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I knew I was a man for a reason

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jul 4, 2009 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

lol what?

that doesn’t even make any sense

You better be worth it, Vince.

by TheGiantSquid on Jul 4, 2009 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Nevermind

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jul 4, 2009 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

nononono please explain!

You better be worth it, Vince.

by TheGiantSquid on Jul 4, 2009 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Basically calling men shallow

And women not. (You know that stereotype.) That’s why I said nevermind. It’s not really important. LOL

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jul 4, 2009 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

ah gotcha

well I just butchered that joke, didn’t I.

Fail.

You better be worth it, Vince.

by TheGiantSquid on Jul 4, 2009 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Nah

No failing if you don’t understand why I was being oblique.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jul 4, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

blink blink

who are you and what have you done with pookey!

You better be worth it, Vince.

by TheGiantSquid on Jul 4, 2009 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Shot him

He’s in the closet bleeding to death as we speak.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jul 4, 2009 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

lol awesome

You better be worth it, Vince.

by TheGiantSquid on Jul 4, 2009 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Banu must have that bomb bomb

if you get me, lol

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by magic12ball on Jul 4, 2009 2:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

nice

by TheGiantSquid on Jul 4, 2009 2:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

yeah

ladies seem to have a lot to do with where their boys end up.

we could’ve had tim duncan!

Nah' mean, nah'm sayin

by Dr Things on Jul 4, 2009 2:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

also

the fans at Blazers’ Edge are pissed.

by TheGiantSquid on Jul 4, 2009 2:05 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

They're taking it way to personal, it's a business and their better off anyway.

did you see the fanshot of Hedo? hah.

by Ariel112 on Jul 4, 2009 2:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

the things they're saying about Banu are incredibly inappropriate

and are pissing ME off.

I hate people.

by TheGiantSquid on Jul 4, 2009 2:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

That's a cool name, and you're so right,

about her and Hedo, totally unnecessary.

by Ariel112 on Jul 4, 2009 2:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

really? I think most of us were relieved. More angry about the verbal commitment, maybe, but not overly incensed.

by Cablinasian on Jul 4, 2009 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm not sure what Hedo's citizenship status is here

so how’s that gonna work out living in Toronto?

by TheGiantSquid on Jul 4, 2009 2:24 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

he's super rich now

he’ll figure something out

Nah' mean, nah'm sayin

by Dr Things on Jul 4, 2009 3:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Given the amount and length of Hedo's new contract...

…Otis’s decision to pick up Vince looks pretty good right now.

by gift of the magi on Jul 4, 2009 2:25 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Eh, they're pretty even,

Carter at 16mil/yr for three years and Hedo at 10mil/yr. for five years.

by Ariel112 on Jul 4, 2009 2:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Carter's better

And his contract is dodgeable in the last year and tradeable.

It actually looks like a brilliant move now.

by eltharion_doa on Jul 4, 2009 7:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

It looked good from the beginning.

I’ve said this elsewhere & it’s worth repeating .. it would have been killer for the Orlando Magic to commit a long-term deal to Hedo Turkoglu. Look, I’m a Turk fan but he’s 30. Giving him a five year deal would have been the wrong move. Instead, the team has Vince Carter and a short-team contract attached (2 years, with a team option in year 3). It gives Otis Smith flexibility in the future, as the team eventually retools.

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by erivera7 on Jul 4, 2009 2:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

crucial.

Nah' mean, nah'm sayin

by Dr Things on Jul 4, 2009 3:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

V.C. IS 32. IN 2YRS. HE WILL BE 34 AT 16.5MIL.MAY GO FOR 35.

It will be a good move if we win 60games and the NBA. Finals.

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by Surfdog on Jul 4, 2009 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

What's with the caps?

He has a team option in year 3 of his contract .. doubt Otis Smith exercises it.

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by erivera7 on Jul 5, 2009 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Nothing personal. Constantly forgetting to take the cap. button off just decided to continue.

Probably should go no cap at all than i wouldn’t have to worry about it. 4 mil. of the 3rd. is guaranteed. Another couple mil and you got Gortat. Just kidding.

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by Surfdog on Jul 5, 2009 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs