Chatting About Matt Barnes With Bright Side of the Sun
"It's actually a bit of a shame that a guy who brings so much to the table in the form of his energy, toughness, athletic ability, handle, passing and scoring skills can also be floating around the league and signed for a sub $2 [million] contract. If you simply compared skill inventories with a wing like Trevor Ariza there would be no contest but here's Barnes' problem. Discipline."
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It's a cliche question, at this point, but could you delve a little bit into the type of player Matt Barnes was for the Phoenix Suns and what Orlando Magic fans should expect from him in the upcoming season?
Matt is a guy that you will love to have on your team until you hate something he does which happens at least once a game. He started out the season winning a ton of fans in Phoenix for his hard nose, athletic play but by the end of the season no one was sad to see him go. No one.
It's actually a bit of a shame that a guy who brings so much to the table in the form of his energy, toughness, athletic ability, handle, passing and scoring skills can also be floating around the league and signed for a sub $2 [million] contract. If you simply compared skill inventories with a wing like Trevor Ariza there would be no contest but here's Barnes' problem. Discipline.
Matt Barnes is about as undisciplined basketball player as you will see at the NBA level. He constantly takes bad shots and passes up the easy and obvious play to try and make something special happen. He's got the raw talent to make enough of those great plays that the Phoenix fans at first were willing to forgive the occasional mistakes but over time you realize just how poor his decision making skills really are.
And all of that was playing in one of the more open and shot friendly systems in the league. Playing for the hyper controlling SVG you might be in for some real fireworks. The player friendly and ever lovable Alvin Gentry was constantly yelling at Barnes during games. SVG's head might just shoot right out of his turtleneck if Matt is forced to play significant minutes.
But then he will knock Rafer Alston on his [butt] and you will love him again (until he passes up an obvious entry pass to Howard in favor of jacking up another three despite shooting 23% for the month).
So basically, there's a fairly good chance that he will be complete disaster in Orlando but it is also possible that SVG can work his magic and turn Matt into a better system player then we've ever seen from him. It should be noted that I have the exact same thoughts about Vince Carter.
Given that Barnes has played on small ball, up-tempo teams like the Suns and Golden State Warriors, previously, his position has varied. It appears, looking at the numbers, that Matt is best served at small forward. Do you agree or disagree?
There's no question that Matt's natural position is at small forward. When Amare went down in late Feburary Matt was forced to play big minutes at the power forward. It was a disaster. He simply does not have the size or consistent energy to play in the post.
If his minutes are limited however and the matchups are right then it can be a nice twist if used sparingly. On the flip side his handle and passing is good enough that if he's on a hot shooting streak (and he's as streaky as they come) then you can play him at the shooting guard in a big line up. Again though, I would consider both options good only for limited use to throw a wrinkle into the game but Matt certainly is veratile enough to pull it off for short stretches. Any consistent minutes outside of the SF and he will be seriously exposed. In fact any serious minutes at all will expose him.
Likewise, looking at Barnes' splits last season, he appeared to be much more effective when he was starting than when he was coming off the bench. What are your thoughts on the type of role that maximizes Matt's productivity?
The Suns' season was such a disaster last year that stats are pretty much meaningless. To start the season, Matt was starting mainly so Grant Hill could provide his veteran presense off the bench. That didn't work because Hill wasn't able to adjust so they switched and for the bulk of the season Barnes backed up Hill. Despite what the stats might say, that was clearly the best situation for the Suns.
How will Barnes' personality mesh with the Magic? What type of guy is he? You stated to me previously that he's more than happy to talk in front of a mic.
I can't really answer that since I don't know the Magic that well. Matt is a soft spoken guy off the court but as I said, he doesn't shy away from the mic. I think he fancies himself somekind of Reggie Miller type. I don't know. His reputation for being a hot head on the court is well deserved and my biggest concern for him in Orlando would be how handles a lesser role than he had in Phoenix. He certainly doesn't lack for confidence and if he's not getting enough playing time he could become disgruntled and probably wouldn't keep that to himself.
I am not exactly sure who the leaders are on the Magic team but don't expect Barnes to fill that role. Oh, and he now has two baby feet tattoo'ed on his neck to represent his twins who were born last year. I personally would have gone with a picture in my locker but hey, Matt walks to the beat of his own ink gun.
'PhoenixStan' was kind enough to provide Matt Barnes' exit interview at the end of the season, as well.
Matt Barnes
I asked Matt the difference between the "We Believe" Warriors team that was able to come from behind and make the playoffs while this team wasn't able to do that. Matt couldn't say what was different between those two teams.
As for his chances of coming back, Matt says that he wants to come back but the front office has to decide. He also said that the (Porter) coaching change was not a good fit for this team and that he would like to see the same group come back.
Matt conceded that he needs to improve his outside shooting and get more consistent. He explored going through a shot rebuild process this summer to help solve his up's and down's. I asked Matt about shooting his way out of slumps and he said that he had a couple of mental breakdowns in regards to shooting. He also talked about the impact of banging with bigger power forwards and how that might have effected his shooting.
I asked Barnes which city had better fans - Phoenix or Oakland. No comment.
I like to thank 'PhoenixStan' for taking the time to answer my questions and for providing the exit interview.
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To your comment below, it's not sour grapes.
PhoenixStan is speaking the truth. His comments and opinions should be respected.
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Yes. Ben and I have had media access for a while now.
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Believe me, it's not.
As a Phoenix fan, I can vouch for Phoenix Stan’s evaluation. He will be either very good or godawful, there is no in between with this guy. If you and most Magic fans have any hair and/or fingernails left after a full season of Matt Barnes, I will be surprised.
"Fun fact: Larry Hughes, who couldn’t stay healthy if all his human parts were replaced with bionic implants, is out for the next four weeks with a bruised leg. Do you think that Willis Reed ever reads about all these players missing time with bruises and sprained fingers and throws up in his mouth a little?"
by Diosnomeama on Jul 26, 2009 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Are you sure you're not talking about Hedo?
by O-Town MagiCane on Jul 26, 2009 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions
If you're comparing Barnes to Hedo, a vigorous round of electroshock might be for you :)
"Fun fact: Larry Hughes, who couldn’t stay healthy if all his human parts were replaced with bionic implants, is out for the next four weeks with a bruised leg. Do you think that Willis Reed ever reads about all these players missing time with bruises and sprained fingers and throws up in his mouth a little?"
by Diosnomeama on Jul 26, 2009 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions
I was referring to the "hate ,love" thing Hedo drove the Magic fans crazy with.
I’m sure there were many Magic fans with less hair and fingernails due to Hedo.
by O-Town MagiCane on Jul 26, 2009 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
In that case, I'm in complete agreement.
"Fun fact: Larry Hughes, who couldn’t stay healthy if all his human parts were replaced with bionic implants, is out for the next four weeks with a bruised leg. Do you think that Willis Reed ever reads about all these players missing time with bruises and sprained fingers and throws up in his mouth a little?"
Mmm
For every contested fourth quarter three he nailed, he missed a couple of wide open sideline threes.
I think there’s an element of frustration in all basketball fans.
by eltharion_doa on Jul 26, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
It happens.
No player is going to be perfect. Everyone has their ups and downs. The truly great players are the ones with the ability to have more “ups” than “downs” ..
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somebody needs a shock
Look Hedo was an amazing player for us, but Hedo was good for at least one head shaking turnover per game.And his shot selection was often only good when it went in. I loved the fact that most Hedo’s game winners where fade-away leaning falling out of bound 3’s, but is that really a good shot choice. Only if it goes thru the net. So what barnes might be a hothead, if he gets out of control I am sure our bench can make up for it. Hell JJ Reddick and Mike Pietrus is salivating hoping Matt Barnes gets in SVG doghouse.
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by The Magic made Lebron run off the court on Jul 27, 2009 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't think a fadeaway three is a bad shot for Turkoglu.
.. if he can make it, I don’t see anything wrong with attempting the shot.
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If Magic fans could deal with Rafer Alston, they can deal with Matt Barnes.
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A 8.5 million $ cheaper Turk
Thank you Otis.. plus I think that SVG will get to him like he did to Pietrus.. Warriors fans told me the exact same thing about him…
Yeah but Turk was always talented but couldn’t put it together till SVG came around… of course Barnes isn’t the scorer Turk ever was but he brings the D that Turk never had too… plus with Nelson and Carter you don’t need another guy who can handle…
Can people stop suggesting that Turk was a bad defender? Because he wasn't last season.
Barnes, statistically, is an average defender .. at best. May he improve with Orlando? Sure.
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Yep, every GS fan said Pietrus sucked, no joke. Look at SVG and the Magic system changed him. Now for Barnes too. And Vince will be too motivated to not adjust to Magic system and SVG. Totally wrong I bet, shoulda stuck to Barnes where he has the knowledge.
by derekk on Jul 26, 2009 12:18 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yep… so many of them said his defense was overrated and all of that stuff and he comes to a great team in the Magic and becomes their defensive stopper… he wasn’t too bad on the offensive end too… I have faith in Van Gundy… ever since he’s been here he got the most out of every player but Howard… Its no coincidence that Nelson and Turk have breakout years once Stan is coach!!
VC will be fine with Orlando.
I have no doubt about that.
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I'll take it!!
We don’t need Barnes to be special. He is the type of player you get for 1.8 million a season.
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by Wmillion on Jul 26, 2009 11:48 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Absolutely.
Plus, the Magic don’t necessarily need him to start or play huge minutes. I see it as all upside. Having him makes for a hugely deep and talented bench.
SVG has a knack for eliminating or hiding the flaws of his players.
I think that Barnes will be put in positions to have more successes than failures.
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Otis knows the kind of player Barnes is...
…Otis opted to use the remaining MLE on Barnes, not Watson, not anyone else. He’s worked with Barnes before with GSW and I’m sure we wouldn’t have signed him if it was believed it could back-fire. SVG = Discipline…
I asked Barnes which city had better fans – Phoenix or Oakland. “Orlando” said Barnes. :)
Yeah, that's the thing. If there were character issues, Otis wouldn't have signed him.
That’s a big deal to Smith, so it should speak volumes that he’s willing to sign Matt for the remaining MLE.
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Not entirely encouraging.
But I’d like to think that being a “contract year” for him, and playing for the Suns who seemed to have a bad season on and off the court made this more of an anomaly season for him.
With the system that SVG has in place, 4 All-Stars, 2-3 established leaders, and 1 clear goal for the team (championship), Barnes will only provide his best for Orlando.
I agree.
Everything is clearly defined in Orlando. Stan Van Gundy is in charge, there’s a good leadership structure in place with Dwight Howard and Jameer Nelson, and a variety of players with good characters.
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Always a Reason
Thanks for the report. It is always good to hear from the people, fans and bloggers who follow our free agents’ old teams to get a better picture of these guys. I know when we signed Barnes, I only thought of the good and was very excited (possibly seeing him start so we can keep Pietrus off the bench… and that could still happen).
But what PhoenixStan said has to be concerning to Magic fans. Hedo may have been a bit… independent with SVG’s system, but he was the glue that kept everyone together. Dwight and Jameer are good leaders, but they don’t have the experience or command to put a new guy like Barnes in his place if he acts out… who knows Carter might.
I think winning will cure all ails. If the team is winning, Barnes will be happy with whatever playing time he gets. And I think he can really be successful in Orlando’s system and Van Gundy is an incredible coach (Barnes said as much).
Van Gundy has done a really good job getting bad defenders to buy into a defensive scheme. So I have faith Van Gundy will fix whatever problems Barnes had previously.
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No problem.
Yeah, I’m not worried about Matt’s defensive issues. Stan Van Gundy has proven that he can fix that.
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Were not gonna be relying so heavily on Barnes like Phoenix did
Like the article said they had to play him at PF for alot of minutes. Of course he’s not gonna be effective. He’s 6’7 and 226 lbs. So he’s giving up nearly 3 inches and 25 pounds every game.
With the Magic he’s gonna be counted on to make the wide open 3 and play good D. That’s it, that’s all
Barnes
The problem wasn’t the position as much as it was his capability to be a knucklehead. He committed some of the worst timed technical fouls, third pointers and fast break passes that ended up in the 3rd row as any player I have watched in my ten years as a seaon ticket holder. Part of the problem may have been the lack of discipline on the SUns and Gentry is not exactly Pat Riley when it comes to discipline but you will need to see a re-born Matt to be pleased. Maybe with a veteran supporting cast, a demanding coach and limited minutes you will be pleased. I was excited when he signed with the Suns. Can’t say I ever felt that way after the season started. But at this price……….
The Magic signed him to the a $1.6 million contract.
.. for that price, the team isn’t going to get a world beater, just a role player.
Thanks for dropping by and providing your thoughts.
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Spot on.
Phoenix Stan was pretty much hit Matt Barnes’ time with the Suns on the head. You will love him when he comes up with that scrambled loose ball or tough rebound or hits a big three, but just as often you will scream at your television on a bonehead turnover or ill-advised 3.
I don’t think there are any “character issues” as one commenter may have inferred from Phoenix Stan’s comments. He never came off as a malcontent, just prone to bouts of low basketball IQ. I don’t know that I’d say that “discipline” is so much the issue as “focus”, if you can make that distinction. Overall, the Magic are getting about what they paid for… a little more when he’s on his game and a little less when he’s off it.
Like I said, if Magic fans can deal with Rafer Alston, they can deal with Matt Barnes.
Good to see you drop by, Mike.
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When it Matters
You don’t want Barnes in your foxhole. He’s more “effective” when he’s going down swinging, like Hudson from Aliens. I mentioned this at some point last year and another astute commenter picked up on it over at our site.
Here’s another analogy (one that I had used earlier in the season): The student that starts his term paper at 10 pm when it’s due the next day, stays up all night and turns it in in the nick of time and gets a B. He says, “Well, that’s pretty good for just starting last night” but the reason he procrastinated is because he was fearful that if he had put in a good, honest effort he wouldn’t have earned more than a B+.
I see some of that in J-Rich, too. Which worries me.
Mmmmm ... Guinness
As a Phoenix fan,
I agree completely with PhxStan’s assessment of Barnes. (Btw, Stan’s as unbiased a sports writer as they come. He speaks the truth.) Barnes is a good role player – he hustles, gets rebounds, plays decent defense – but his decision-making is, more often than not, atrocious. He’s definitely, imo, a chucker from three-point land – no matter how off he’s been during a game, he’ll continue to hack up shots, often to no avail. There was one play that epitomized Barnes’ time with the Suns: We were playing Utah on the road, who, at the time, had a long winning streak going on at their arena. We had roared back from 20+ points down in the third quarter, and if I remember correctly, had the ball with the opportunity to take the lead, for the first time, late in the 4th quarter. Hill inbounded the ball in the backcourt to Barnes, who was immediately doubled by a full-court press. Before Grant could even step in-bounds, Matt threw it back to him, committing a turnover that certainly cost us the game. Had we won that game, we would have made the playoffs. It’s just one instance, I know, but it perfectly summed up Barnes’ time with us: bad decision after bad decision. But who knows? Maybe SVG and Orlando’s system can change all of that…
we hope......if the negative parts of his game come to fruition on our team......stan will have no problem giving us less barnes and more reddick.....
Just one man's opinion...
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look at what you just said hwyatt. blasphemy!
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by The Magic made Lebron run off the court on Jul 27, 2009 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes...
How dare he mention the name of a player who plays for the Magic, and would in fact be in competition for the minutes in question? How DARE he!?
He's currently two-thirds man, one-third amazing. Which, let's face it, is still a pretty good ratio.
LMAO.
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Competition is such a loosely used word these days…..
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by The Magic made Lebron run off the court on Jul 27, 2009 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions
If you don’t think Redick will have the opportunity to earn playing time, prepare for disappointment. I’ll agree he’s never quite put everything together, but he’s shown a good shooting touch in previous years before slumping this year, and while he’ll never be an elite defender, he’s at least semi-competent now. If he regains his accuracy from the field, I wouldn’t rule out him taking minutes from Barnes at SG, especially considering that Barnes is out of position at the 2.
(And of course he’s going to get playing time if/when Pietrus is hurt.)
He's currently two-thirds man, one-third amazing. Which, let's face it, is still a pretty good ratio.
I think what we're describing...
…is a Pietrus-type player — very gifted physically, poor decision-making skills. And Pietrus worked out pretty well before his injury. Less so after. But then he recovered in the playoffs. You know.
He's currently two-thirds man, one-third amazing. Which, let's face it, is still a pretty good ratio.
I was definitely happy with him at the vets' min
He was an upgrade over Gordan Giricek, mainly by being cheaper. Gordan is playing in Turkey, I thought Barnes was destined for the same fate.
Here’s hoping he’s good for you guys.
Who are these guys again?
Thanks for the kind words.
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