[Otis Smith] didn't comment on negotiations with either [Matt Barnes or C.J. Watson] except to say...

Ive always liked Watson

hope hes the one

by magicss4242 on Jul 22, 2009 7:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Otis??: ( When I asked if he was close to finding a point guard, Smith said, "No, not at all. But I’m not in a hurry either ) So with that comment could that mean that Otis might have something working and is pulling another miss direction like he had done this entire offseason!!

Respect for what Watson had to say about wanting to play for the Magic!!
Fingers are still crossed for Watson coming to the Magic

by bumper64 on Jul 22, 2009 7:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Sign and Trade with Redick?

Is that a possibility? I think the salaries would match up with what Watson is looking for and it would seem G.S./Don Nelson might want a gunner (or supposed one) like J.J. Might actually be good for J.J. too.

I gotta think there’s a good chance of something getting done. You don’t see players come out and say what Watson said very often without something happening. Well, besides Gortat.

I’m hoping it gets done.

by CaliFlorida on Jul 22, 2009 8:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

what did Watson say?

that he’d like to play for the Magic? unfortunately for him, what he has to say doesn’t really matter.

Why would we trade Redick for a 3rd string PG? We have Carter, and maybe Pietrus as our only SGs. and Pietrus is going to be getting HEAVY minutes at SF already. We sort of NEED Redick right now

I think Redick will get traded later in the season, but not for a 3rd string PG. I was thinking maybe we combine Gortat (5.5 mil) + Redick (2.5 mil) + the 8 mil trade exception and make a major deal close to the trade deadline, depending on what our needs are at that time.

So I have no problem trading Redick, in fact I think its better than a 50/50 chance that he will get traded eventually, but trading him for Watson would be a step backwards IMO

by magicss4242 on Jul 22, 2009 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Watson wouldn't be a 3rd point guard

He would start ahead of AJ and probably get some minutes at the 2… we all know he can score

by Souwantmyname on Jul 22, 2009 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

that doesnt change anything

especially considering that IF we cant get Watson we still have a solid backup PG.

by magicss4242 on Jul 22, 2009 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I dont believe he can play the 2 either, just because he is a scorer

he’s small, and cant defend the position.

by magicss4242 on Jul 22, 2009 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

The Magic don't NEED Redick

Redick makes the Magic worse when he’s on the court; Watson would make them better.

There is enough depth and flexibility on the roster right now so that the team is fine on the perimeter. And from what I understand from the two days I’ve known about this guy Watson, he would add to that depth and flexibility. Redick doesn’t. The only value Redick has over a D-leaguer or summer league guy is he understands SVG’s system and doesn’t screw up things like defensive rotations. Other than that, he is absolutely worthless to the Magic or any championship caliber team.

And Redick’s not small? He can defend 2-guards straight up? No he can’t.

I’m not saying this is a possibility, but there is no way the Magic would not be a better team with Watson instead of Redick.

By the way, according to that FanHouse interview, Watson said a lot more than he would ‘like’ to play for the Magic. He flat out said he doesn’t want to go back to G.S. and that he wants to play for a more active, assertive, coach like SVG who stresses defense because Watson said he sees himself as a defensive minded player.

To get him though, it seems like the Magic will need G.S. to cooperate with a sign and trade. Redick would seem to be a possibility.

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by CaliFlorida on Jul 22, 2009 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Redick is a possibility insofar as his contract is reasonable and, as a shooting specialist, he might appeal to Golden State

Then again, Nellie likes his SGs to be a bit more versatile than Redick is. Guys like Azubuike, Morrow, and Jackson can shift to the 3 if needed, whereas Redick is limited to SG due to his size.

There really is very little incentive for Golden State to facilitate a sign-and-trade. It’s hard to imagine the Warriors preferring Redick to Watson.

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by Ben Q Rock on Jul 22, 2009 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

welcome to the board...

and the anti-JJ faction. glad to have you in both respects, particularly the latter.

by pinthatd12 on Jul 22, 2009 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Welcome.

;-)

by magicfaninTN on Jul 23, 2009 1:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

GS has 4 PG's on their roster without CJ Watson

Ellis, Curry, Law, and Claxton all have guaranteed contracts

Too bad they also have a bunch of SG’s… Azubuike, Morrow, Jackson and Belinelli

IDK maybe get another team involved somehow??/ Whatever the case we can count on Otis to pull of something great

by Souwantmyname on Jul 22, 2009 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don't know if Otis can do anything this time.

.. too many variables are working against him.

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by erivera7 on Jul 23, 2009 1:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Redick may be a little undersized but he isn't a defensive liability.

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by erivera7 on Jul 23, 2009 1:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

He might not blow coverages

But I doubt there’s one shooting guard in the league who isn’t thrilled to hear he’s being checked by Redick.

by CaliFlorida on Jul 23, 2009 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Ray Allen's still having nightmares

About JJ’s “lockdown” defense in the playoffs.

by eltharion_doa on Jul 23, 2009 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

No, but that doesn't eschew the fact J.J. isn't terrible on defense.

Quite the contrary.

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by erivera7 on Jul 23, 2009 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Ok, now that we're travelling under such a forgiving standard . . .

Can you validly argue that he is a contributor on defense?

by CaliFlorida on Jul 23, 2009 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Sure.

Just look at the numbers and they’ll paint a decent picture.

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by erivera7 on Jul 24, 2009 5:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

As you might have expected, I disagree

I’m all for advanced stats and would like to understand them better, but I’m not sure they paint a very accurate picture here. I think it’s fairly obvious that Redick’s defensive numbers (and probably most of the Magic’s perimeter players’ #‘s as well) reflect the fact that they play with Dwight Howard. Redick’s numbers also benefit a great deal I’m sure from the fact that he’s getting minutes on the highest rated defensive team in the league. Put Redick on a team like the Pacers and would you expect his defensive ratings to stay the same? I would predict they reflect the overall numbers of whatever team he’s playing on. Redick’s numbers also benefit from his place on the depth chart and the matchups he draws most of the time over 82 games. A good chunk of his numbers are also probably meaningless in that he tends to get garbage time minutes quite a bit over the course of a season.

All that goes back to my overall point about Redick’s supposed defensive improvements — over four seasons, he’s managed to grow into a player who can play within a team’s defensive scheme. That is, he understands where he’s supposed to be on the court, doesn’t routinely blow rotations, etc. etc. But take any D-league/summer league prospect, give them 4 seasons (two under SVG) and there’s a good chance you can get the same result. If the guy has any physical attributes to speak of, you probably get something even better.

So is he terrible on defense? Well, on a team like the Magic, playing 15 minutes a night (hopefully not that many this year), no he’s not terrible. He’s not good though. He’s merely adequate to get a guy ahead of him a blow. You can count on him most of the time to not blow it completely. But is he ever a difference maker? No? Does he ever really add anything? Not really? Would you ever feel comfortable putting Redick on an island against NBA 2-guards for extended periods? Not me, starters or back-ups.

So I (obviously) don’t buy the notion that Redick is “better than we think” on defense or otherwise. Properly assembled, he’s a fantastic 12th man on a championship caliber team, which is about where he looks to be slotted after all the moves. And a guy like that should never be classified as a guy the Magic “need.”

(p.s. the Ray Allen thing has been discussed, but it strikes me as very similar to the Eddy Murphy bit about Rocky Marciano and Joe Louis)

by CaliFlorida on Jul 24, 2009 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Some of Redick's numbers are influenced by ..

.. Dwight Howard and the defensive scheme designed by Stan Van Gundy. I won’t deny that, because it’s fairly obvious. Even so, J.J. has proven to be a hard worker on the defensive end – meaning that he’s very active, defensively. For example, Redick did a good job of ball-denying Allen at different times during the Celtics series. That’s a case of him being active on D.

I explicitly stated that the numbers paint a decent picture. I never claimed that the stats stated, otherwise, so I want to make myself clear on that front. I stand by my claim that J.J. is not a defensive liability. That’s just my opinion on the matter.

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by erivera7 on Jul 24, 2009 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I second that

Do you even remember last season where Reddick was put in for his defense by Stan? Defense isn’t about jumping and athleticism, those just help. If you were going to pick on a slow defender, why not AJ? Defense is about staying in front of your man, rotting on defense, AND getting a body on someone to help someone else secure the rebound. Reddick is fundementally sound in all these qualities. I think the weight lifting / bulk has influenced his stroke and we may see the best version of Reddick yet, better shooting and sound defense. Defense is a team game, I would put Reddick on any guy in this league with our team defense and not be overly concerned. I am not saying Reddick is a great player, but I think he can play in this league as a role player with no problem.

And you stated Reddick never made a difference, well I can remember Reddick hitting a few big shots for us, including the playoffs, so really what is it that you hate about Reddick? The guy plays hard, spreads the floor with the threat of his shot making (yes he does, go back and watch games if you don’t believe me), see how many times opposing teams’ coaches yelled at a player for leaving Reddick open, even when he didn’t get the ball on the last play. I mean really, would it be better to just have an athletic guy that could jump real high out there out of place all the time, missing rotations and having the opposing team leave to double off of? I mean seriously. I think we picked the wrong guy too with the pick, but don’t judge Reddick for it, and don’t speculate on if he were elsewhere, just wait till next year. I am not going to say that he is the bomb, listen to him tic, but geez, grossly exagerrating his faults is just ridiculous.

I better see your piece on AJ’s Michael Jordan/Hedo impersonation where he gets it in his head that he can drive thru a crowd and ends up losing the ball every time (a couple showtime dunks in a year does NOT make up for it, as nice as they were). Otherwise I am going to assume that you are just another Reddick hater, that dislikes him for being picked over Granger, for being a Duke player, or for just being too much of a goofy white boy. Don’t blame him, don’t hate the playa hate the game..

by Eric9321 on Jul 25, 2009 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I can remember Redick missing quite a few big shots for us too

In the Lakers series, their defense often would leave JJ and Rafer completely open, willing to let them throw up a probable brink. You can go back and watch those games too (but I don’t recommend it if you don’t want to just melt into a pile of sadness about losing…aghhhhh). And the coaches were just fine with that.

I agree he’s not a bad 12th man in the rotation role player type, but there are so many better backup shooting guards that just as it is ridiculous to personally attack JJ, it’s kinda ridiculous to rabidly defend him too. I like him as a person, and I do appreciate that he works hard, but he’s just simply not that good. There’s no amount of stats in the world that change that fact. And that is why I wish he wasn’t on the Magic. I don’t hate him for being a goofy white boy, for being a Duke player (I’m not much of a college basketball guy), or for being picked over anyone else. He’s just not that good. The end.

by MoveThoseChains on Jul 25, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

throw up a probable brick*

by MoveThoseChains on Jul 25, 2009 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Watsons not a SG

and behind Carter we have no SGs other than our starting SF.

So yea, that makes no sense the depth really isnt there at SG.

I agree, we could do without Redick. but not for Watson.

Im not goign to get into a big Redick debate, butu how do you say he is worthless or equal to a D-Leaguer? He shut down Ray Allen in the playoffs. Maybe you missed that. He has made sizable improvements in his defense, ball handling, and strength. His shooting is streaky, because he never has a chance to find a rhythm. But saying he is useless like a D Leaguer and pretending we have all this depth at SG that we can trade Redick for a 2nd or 3rd string PG that you admit to only knowing about for 2 days doesnt make a lot of sense.

Watson is undersized at SG, cant defend at SG, and has deficiencies in his game no matte rwhere he is on the court. Im a fan of Watson, but Id say your assessment of both Watson and Redick and our needs and depth are completely off

by magicss4242 on Jul 23, 2009 3:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

again I am not against trading Redick

in fact I think eventually he will get traded. And I have no problem with that.

i also like Watson a lot

but we have a solid backup PG, and while we have good dpeth at SG right now if we lost someone like Pietrus, Carter or Redick we would be very thin at SG.

by magicss4242 on Jul 23, 2009 3:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Few things

My question about the possibility of a Redick trade was addressed pretty thoroughly. I agree it is likely a longshot – mostly due to a lack of incentive for G.S.

But a few ancillary things to comment on about what you keep saying.

1. The Magic don’t have a starting SF yet. The team has said several times that will be worked out in training camp and thereafter.

2. I think you’re overstating the notion that Redick is responsible for Ray Allen’s struggles against the Magic in the playoffs. Redick played some valuable minutes against Allen in that series — but that value was limited to chasing Allen around screens. Nothing else that Redick did against Allen defensively stands out. Besides that, the Magic threw multiple guys at Allen anyway, so don’t blur things by saying Redick “shut down” Allen. In my mind, Ray Allen struggled primarily because, at this point in his career, he’s a streak shooter and he was off that series. And secondly, SVG coaches the hell out of the Magic and they have solid schemes and play solid team defense.

Again, to reiterate what I said above, I doubt Ray Allen was walking off the court saying to himself, man, that J.J. Redick sure is a lockdown guy out there on D.

3. Barnes can run minutes at 2. And in the best case that we do get Watson, I would tend to agrre that he would be able to handle some limited minutes at 2 against certain teams. Cleveland with Delonte West, for example.

4. Redick’s sizeable improvements? He’s still the least valuable player on the roster right now. At this point, he is what he is — a shooting specialist that is a below average shooter. Awesome.

But again, the bottom line point in why the Magic would rather, hypothetically speaking, have Watson over Redick is simple — Watson is good, Redick is bad.

by CaliFlorida on Jul 23, 2009 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I would trade Redick for a stick of gum

so maybe I shouldn’t be listened to when throwing out trades

by Souwantmyname on Jul 23, 2009 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I have always like Watson as well

for 2 days that I’ve actually known he existed

by Souwantmyname on Jul 22, 2009 8:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Lol

Exactly what I was thinking

by josh99 on Jul 22, 2009 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

lol

by derekk on Jul 22, 2009 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

that was a pretty good one........you got me at first glance......

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by hwyatt3 on Jul 23, 2009 1:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Otis is being Otis

He knows that if Watson doesn’t find a nice offer from another team, he can join the Magic for minimal pay and get a huge boost in his value just from being on this team. I mean I like Hedo immensely, but does he get that contract if he was playing for Golden State the last 3 years? With the same numbers and all?

by Eric9321 on Jul 22, 2009 8:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

No, because then he's "putting up good numbers on a bad team," which is why Vince is so maligned.

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by Ben Q Rock on Jul 22, 2009 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

But Watson isn't signing for $800,000

Which as I understand it, is all the Magic can offer him straight up. Even if he gets to where blue and white. He’s a ballpark $2 million player. The Magic need G.S. to work with them if there is any chance of landing Watson, right?

by CaliFlorida on Jul 22, 2009 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

BUT

That’s what I am saying, our only hope is that no team offers him a decent salary and decides to play for us for two years at minimum to increase his value dramatically for his next contract which would probably take him through his prime, rather than play out another year at Golden State.

Hey I can wish can’t I?

by Eric9321 on Jul 22, 2009 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hasn't he already been offered $2 mil by Philly? I doubt he'd settle for the minimum just to be on the Magic when he already has offers out there for much more!

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by malars on Jul 23, 2009 8:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Watson may like us but he will like having 4 or 5 million in his bank account more

by Souwantmyname on Jul 22, 2009 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

maybe this is against the rules

Any possibility of a team under the cap giving CJ an offer sheet that GSW won’t match and then immediately trading him to the Magic for ________ (fill in the blank, JJ, etc.)?

by magicfaninTN on Jul 22, 2009 10:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I don't think Team X could trade Watson for at least 3 months (or something like that)

But maybe that’s an option.

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by Ben Q Rock on Jul 22, 2009 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah

Golden State would still have to be involved for us to get him directly. But a third team is about the only hope.

by Eric9321 on Jul 22, 2009 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

my fascination with watson is over

ryan anderson + trade exception to POR for the now-on-the-trading-block jerryd bayless.

screw it, ryan anderson + pietrus + trade exception for bayless…

by coque429 on Jul 22, 2009 11:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PANPIaDZ7ZQ&feature=related

by coque429 on Jul 22, 2009 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

What? That trade idea makes no sense for Orlando.

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by erivera7 on Jul 23, 2009 1:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

kind of like Redick for Watson

Yet everyone seems to love that idea.

im really not in favor of trading anything for Watson. He’d be a great signing, but I dont see a trade being beneficial unless its jeremy richardson

by magicss4242 on Jul 23, 2009 3:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

really?

how doesn’t trading a young chip from a strength (our frontcourt) for a young stud pg, a weakness of ours, to groom make sense?

i threw pietrus in there just to show how much i would give up for bayless. (even if salaries and talent doesn’t match)

by coque429 on Jul 23, 2009 8:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Bayless isn't a stud.

It really… really doesn’t make sense. The Blazers are my 2nd favorite team and I pay a lot of attention to them… so I see a lot of love for Bayless. He’s shown flashes but I’d rather have Anderson… it’s not even a contest. Bayless’s defense is atrocious. It’s amazing how easy it was for Summer leaguers to get around him.

by Jwoey on Jul 23, 2009 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Because you're throwing the kitchen sink for what? Potential?

I already have shown that Anderson projects to be a starter in the NBA. Pietrus is valuable in his own right because he fits what the Orlando Magic are trying to do on offense and defense. PLUS, Wasting the trade exception on Bayless would easily be one of the dumbest moves ever.

Come on, Anderson + Pietrus + trade exception for Bayless.

Think of how absurd that deal is ..

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by erivera7 on Jul 23, 2009 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I say JJ+1st round= Bayless

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by Wmillion on Jul 23, 2009 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Portland wouldn't do that, either.

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by erivera7 on Jul 23, 2009 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

You know that Bayless can't shoot, right?

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by Ben Q Rock on Jul 23, 2009 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Someone has

Blayless Fever.

by Eric9321 on Jul 23, 2009 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Rookie

The guy was a rookie last year and only played 12 minutes a game. As a freshman at AZ he average 20 pts and 40% from 3 point line.. Are you saying he can’t develop? One season and you write the guy off? Interesting..

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by Wmillion on Jul 24, 2009 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

He's not writing him off, he's just saying he can't shoot .. right now.

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by erivera7 on Jul 24, 2009 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah

In reponse to giving up JJ+ un proven late 1st round. I think the deal makes sense for a guy with his talent level.

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by Wmillion on Jul 24, 2009 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Bayless is a turnover machine

we dont need our second unit contributing to that total… Our starters do fine in that category by themselves

by Souwantmyname on Jul 23, 2009 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

man...

turnover machine? the kid was a rook and barely played… the sample size isn’t great to look at, so i’m not sure if you can make declarations like that.

and E, obviously my suggested trade would never go down, it’s called hyperbole. my larger point was that i would jump at the chance to get bayless, especially for a player i deem none too important. (pietrus) Bayless is still a hell of a prospect.

but that’s why i’m not gm right?

by coque429 on Jul 24, 2009 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

i wanna say,

my goal is not to just sit and disparage pietrus. i’m not hating for the sake of it.

i just can only take so many errant 3’s, wild, erratic drives to the hoop (which result in soft, cute finger roll attempts), and unnecessary fouls on pump fakes before i lose my confidence in a player…

by coque429 on Jul 24, 2009 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Ha! By errant, you must mean they go in at a good rate.

Seriously, are you on drugs?

by CaliFlorida on Jul 24, 2009 2:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

i never understood that question

“are you on drugs?”

what if the answer is yes? and errant might not have been the right word. maybe i was looking for reckless.

no i was definitely impressed with his play in the playoffs. well, with his 3’s i should say.

maybe it was just the injuries/fitting in issues like i’ve heard you say E, in which case i will be happily incorrect.

by coque429 on Jul 24, 2009 8:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Injuries had a part in Pietrus' struggles in the regular season.

It’s no coincidence that when he finally was healthy, he was able to produce and really make an impact for the Orlando Magic.

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by erivera7 on Jul 24, 2009 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

THIS

And a huge impact,too.

by Dzogi on Jul 25, 2009 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I take it you weren't impressed with his play in the playoffs.

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by erivera7 on Jul 24, 2009 5:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

in summer league

4 games (1 DNP) 17 assists (that’s good). 25 TO (that’s bad). in 31 min/avg.

Seemed to score okay though only 1/5 3pts. Decent number of rebounds. But, did I mention summer league? Maybe his teammates can’t catch, I dunno since I’m only looking at box scores, but it doesn’t look good.

by magicfaninTN on Jul 24, 2009 1:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

tinsley

Any interest in Jamal Tinsley? Recently released by Indiana.

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by Wmillion on Jul 23, 2009 12:32 AM EDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs

Strongly doubt it, but one never knows with Otis.

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by Ben Q Rock on Jul 23, 2009 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

No way ..

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by erivera7 on Jul 23, 2009 1:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Ive always had a weird obssession with Tinsley

although the last year+ he has really taken a nose dive it seems.

by magicss4242 on Jul 23, 2009 3:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Tinsley can be a good player but he has too much baggage.

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by erivera7 on Jul 23, 2009 5:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don't think so

Tinsley is a bad apple, and Otis has tried not to put those types around Dwight. The guy has skills but until he can show he knows how to act like an adult…of course he probably wouldn’t sign for the minimum either.

by Eric9321 on Jul 23, 2009 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I .. believe we agree with each other.

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by erivera7 on Jul 24, 2009 5:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

please no otis

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by magic12ball on Jul 23, 2009 3:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Sign and Trade Watson for JJ...

Then sign Powel, Richardson and Hendrix. I’m done.

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by hevchv on Jul 23, 2009 7:08 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

sacrifice pay cut for the other players...

is it posible…just to get watson in. i believe boston did it once… or maybe im mistaken…

by BobBarcebal on Jul 23, 2009 7:53 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Contracts can be renegotiated, but only under certain circumstances

And under no circumstances is a renegotiation allowed that would pay a player less money, or for fewer years, while still remaining with the team.

by Jwoey on Jul 23, 2009 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Could a contract be for more years, more money, but less money per year?

I honestly don’t know, so would this work hypothetically:

Original contract – 3 years, $21 million ($7 million per year)
New contract – 5 years, $30 million ($6 million per year)

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by The Dark on Jul 27, 2009 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

JJ is a BACKUP.

What’s wrong with you JJ haters? He is a role player. He is not supposed to be a superstar. He plays hard and plays good defense despite what you nay sayers say. NBA officials are tough on him. More playing time will get him more noncalls against him. JJ is scoring threat off the bench. The man can light it up. Nice weapon to have when others aren’t knocking down the three ball. He has a high B-ball IQ and plays within the offense and definitely knows how to get the ball to the bigs,especially Gortat. You haters need to look at his intangibles.

by O-Town MagiCane on Jul 23, 2009 9:42 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I was preaching this on a few other blogs

You are wasting your breath. People hate that goofy white boy for some reason. I think he is an adequate backup SG, but I would also trade him for a Watson type player in a hot second with the lineup we have. Not slighting on him, if anything, the slight is on the PG slot.

I will take the abuse; I will admit, I can’t stand AJ half the time. Sometimes he makes some really great plays, but otherwise Hedo had to almost steal the ball from him to stop him from doing his goofy MJ impersonation (aka dribble/drive/turnover). I watched every game and that is my feeling, if you feel differently that is fine. But my loathing wasn’t for Reddick, it was for AJ. There I said it. Hate me if you want, I am just being honest.

by Eric9321 on Jul 23, 2009 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I hate you! I hate you! I hate you!

Wait no I don’t……. I hate JJ Redick

Unfortunately, all my hatred is focused on JJ so I can’t share in your hatred of AJ

by Souwantmyname on Jul 23, 2009 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I can .. sort of understand the J.J. "hatred" even though I don't agree with it.

But I definitely can’t understand the A.J. “loathing” .. granted, he was an easy punchline during the beginning of the season, but Dad eventually captured the imagination of Magic fans.

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by erivera7 on Jul 24, 2009 5:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

That's a lot of excuses

SVG has a high basketball IQ, can’t stay in front of players on defense, and doesn’t get a lot of calls from the referees either, but he doesn’t check himself in to the game. Most of the time it was JJ that wasn’t knocking down the three ball, and he averaged less than 2 assists per game in the playoffs. Less than 1.3 if I average in all the games he correctly recorded a DNP-CD.

by MoveThoseChains on Jul 23, 2009 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

by erivera7 on Jul 23, 2009 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

If we are going to trade for a PG

It shouldn’t be Watson, there are better PG’s to be had. He is a good shooter, but if you are going to trade for a guy, I think you can get a better player.

Great pick up as FA, but I wouldn’t give up much for him.

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by Wmillion on Jul 23, 2009 1:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs