Why C.J. Watson is No Longer an Option for the Orlando Magic
by Ben Q Rock on Jul 21, 2009 4:00 PM EDT
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Not to rain on any Orlando Magic fan's parade after the all-but-official signing of small forward Matt Barnes, which you can discuss here, but we do need to explain how that signing eliminates the possibility of their signing point guard C.J. Watson to an offer sheet. An NBA source told Tania Ganguli of the Orlando Sentinel that the Magic will look at cheaper point guard options.
It is, as you might expect, a matter of money. A report by Tim Povtak of AOL FanHouse surfaced on Friday evening saying the Magic were preparing an offer sheet to tender to Watson, whose free-agent rights belong to the Golden State Warriors. Povtak said Watson could sign the offer sheet as early as the weekend, after which point the Warriors would have seven days to either match the offer, and thus retain him, or to let him join the Magic.
However, the Magic have chose Barnes over Watson, in essence. Adrian Wojnarowski of Yahoo! Sports reports that Barnes' deal is worth $3.2 million dollars, split evenly across two seasons, with the second season at Barnes' option. The $1.6 million comes from the mid-level exception money left over from signing Brandon Bass to a four-year deal worth $16 million--an even $4 million per year, according to Marc Stein. Orlando now has a mere $254,000 of the mid-level left to offer a free agent. That's roughly $200,000 less than the minimum salary for a player with no prior NBA experience. In short, that money will go unused.
In theory, the Magic could offer Watson a contract starting at $825,497, which is the minimum salary for a two-year veteran. Watson earned $711,517 last season, and is understandably seeking a raise. According to Marcus Thompson II of the Oakland Tribune, he rejected a one-year deal from the Philadelphia 76ers worth $2.3 million, because he wants a longer-term deal of at least 3 years. Even if we assume he'll take a slightly lower annual salary than Philadelphia offered him in order to ink a three-year deal, he probably wouldn't accept anything less than $6 million. According to Larry Coon's Salary-Cap FAQ (scroll down to the chart, just above Question 20), players signed to minimum contracts can only receive pay increases commensurate with their level of experience in the league--as opposed to some other contracts, where raises are made on a percentage basis--and can only sign for a maximum of two seasons. Thus, Watson would earn $885,120 in his second year with Orlando, Add it up, and you'll see the most he would stand to earn with Orlando is $1,710,617 over two seasons, which is less than one-third of the money he conceivably earn elsewhere, with one fewer guaranteed year. It wouldn't make sense for a player of Watson's age (25) to take such a drastic pay cut, which is why he's out of the Magic's realm of possibility.
So Orlando will go back to the drawing board, likely looking at bargain-bin veterans such as Anthony Carter, Juan Dixon, Brevin Knight, Kevin Ollie, and Jacque Vaughn in order to fill their third point guard role. Nobody else has the sort of dazzling appeal Watson--a young, three-point-shooting, foul-drawing, ace--has. But either way, Magic GM Otis Smith has addressed two dire needs this offseason, as Barnes provides competent backup at both forward positions and Brandon Bass gives the Magic a young, bruising big man to help them tangle with beefier front lines. Count the upgrade Vince Carter provides over Hedo Turkoglu and you'll see Orlando can boast an offseason as good as any other team's, at least so far. All that's left on the shopping list is a third-string point guard.
Otis doin' work, indeed.
After the jump, a look at the Magic's salary commitments for next season, presented without comment.
| 2009/2010 Orlando Magic Salaries, as of July 21st, 2009 | |
|---|---|
| Rashard Lewis | $18,010,791 |
| Vince Carter | $16,123,250 |
| Dwight Howard | $15,202,590 |
| Jameer Nelson | $7,700,000 |
| Marcin Gortat | $5,854,000 |
| Mickael Pietrus | $5,300,000 |
| Brandon Bass | $4,000,000 |
| J.J. Redick | $2,839,408 |
| Anthony Johnson | $2,062,800 |
| Matt Barnes | $1,600,000 |
| Ryan Anderson | $1,317,120 |
| TOTAL | $80,009,959 |
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Hold on???
Don’t the MAgic still have the LLE to work with?
by orltragic07 on Jul 21, 2009 4:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You're referring to the Bi-Annual Exception, which they used last year to sign Anthony Johnson
They can’t use it again until next summer, hence the “bi-annual” designation.
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by Ben Q Rock on Jul 21, 2009 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What about Turk's Trade Exception?
Could that be used to get Watson?
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by L Magico on Jul 21, 2009 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It can only be used
in a trade. So GS would have to do a sign and trade and take something in return, a draft pick, etc.
by Eric9321 on Jul 21, 2009 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Technically, yes.
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by erivera7 on Jul 22, 2009 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Technically, yes.
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by erivera7 on Jul 22, 2009 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And
And our we sure that Otis didn’t give matt barnes the LLE, leaving the rest of the MLE??? JUst wondering….
by orltragic07 on Jul 21, 2009 4:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
See my reply above.
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by Ben Q Rock on Jul 21, 2009 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude...you left off Bobby Jackson.
Lol.
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by KingJafi on Jul 21, 2009 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
IT cracks me up
Every time I see Howard is our third highest paid player! I hope he is one of those superstars that doesn’t mind taking a few million less for the good of the team down the road.
by Eric9321 on Jul 21, 2009 4:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He's still making the maximum salary. It's just that he has less experience than Lewis did when he signed his max deal, so his salary is less.
As to whether or not he’d accept anything less than the max somewhere down the line…. I have no idea.
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by Ben Q Rock on Jul 21, 2009 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I know
It still cracks me up, even with the fact his pay is limited by the pay structure. Good thing though! Can you imagine where we would be if he was making 120 mil??
by Eric9321 on Jul 21, 2009 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sidney Crosby took less when he could of maxed out and look what happened.
I think the Magic still need to be still be a serious champsionship contender at that point and there are some chances Dwight would take less, especially if he hasn’t won yet. It would be an unprecedented move for a 21st century NBA superstar.
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by KingJafi on Jul 21, 2009 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anything is possible.
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by erivera7 on Jul 21, 2009 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No! No! No!
When Howard wants to get paid we need to give him WHATEVER he wants… We lost Shaq because we decided to skimp on the payment giving him even more of an excuse to leave. Let’s not repeat that monumental mistake. It took forever just to get back to where we were.
by Souwantmyname on Jul 21, 2009 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Oh, they'll offer him the max.
But he might accept less. That’s what he’s saying, I think.
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by Ben Q Rock on Jul 21, 2009 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly what I am saying
And I wouldn’t really begrudge him if he didn’t take less. As long as he doesn’t complain about the help around him 2 years later!
by Eric9321 on Jul 21, 2009 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I think the move has to come from Dwight.
He refuses the max for less so that they can sign another integral piece or keep someone around. Crosby took less so the Pens could keep Malkin around. Awesome move on Sid’s part.
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by KingJafi on Jul 21, 2009 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thats what Gilbert Arenas did
To get the Wiz to their 19 victories last year
by Half-man Half-gortat on Jul 22, 2009 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If only
G.S. wouldn’t mind taking Reddick for Watson in a S&T. I think Reddick could be a good player on G.S.
Okay I had to cover my mouth to stifle the laugh, who am I kidding, the Magic are probably the best fit for Reddick with the inside-out game opening up the defense.
by Eric9321 on Jul 21, 2009 4:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
We can't trade Redick, though.
Even if someone would take him, that would bring us down to one natural SG.
He's currently two-thirds man, one-third amazing. Which, let's face it, is still a pretty good ratio.
by 3.3seconds on Jul 21, 2009 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Theoretically we could group Redick with some of the traded player exception from either Dooling or Hedo
And get back Watson and a SG in return. It would effectively be two trades (like with the VC trade) since you can’t group TPEs with players.
Anyway, there’s no reason to believe GSW would accept a trade like that.
by Jwoey on Jul 21, 2009 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which would mean
We could only do something like that if some team was willing to absorb the salary (aka Reddick) in exchange for straight cash while Golden State gets a draft pick and we would get Watson. We would basically have to pay for Reddick’s salary though for him to play elsewhere and pay for his replacement piece.
It isn’t going to happen either way, just like to spin the yarn since our team is pretty much stacked.
by Eric9321 on Jul 21, 2009 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can't use the TPE
In conjunction with another player. You can only package it with non-player compensation such as draft picks.
by eltharion_doa on Jul 23, 2009 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nah
Carter and Pietrus can man the SG spot and Barnes could slide there as well. Trading Reddick for another PG would only work if someone, say Golden State or New York, was interested in just getting one year’s worth of salary in exchange for a couple.
by Eric9321 on Jul 21, 2009 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, that's the only way I see Redick getting moved .. in that type of scenario.
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by erivera7 on Jul 21, 2009 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I meant one behind Carter...
…two total. Discounted Pietrus because he’s our starting SF. And Barnes can play SG, but he’s not a natural SG. I just don’t see us creating a scarcity in order to fill a different scarcity.
He's currently two-thirds man, one-third amazing. Which, let's face it, is still a pretty good ratio.
by 3.3seconds on Jul 22, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bobby Jackson?
Poor Man's GM @ poormansgm.blogspot.com
by Jaceman on Jul 21, 2009 4:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Perhaps.
Saw him on the list when writing this post, but didn’t include him. Something tells me he might get more than the minimum.
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by Ben Q Rock on Jul 21, 2009 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bobby will get more than the minimum which is why this article has shattered my hopes once and for all.
Next step..changing the profile picture.
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by KingJafi on Jul 21, 2009 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Darrell isn't coming.
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by erivera7 on Jul 21, 2009 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Russell Robinson?
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I'll be right there
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Believe"
by The Dark on Jul 21, 2009 4:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
A .. possibility.
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by erivera7 on Jul 21, 2009 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We still only have
11 players (including Barnes, who last I heard has not yet actually signed) which means we need at least a couple more players to make the minimum.
by Eric9321 on Jul 21, 2009 4:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
2 players on minimum deals. That's all they have left.
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by Ben Q Rock on Jul 21, 2009 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And dang it
We have to happy with that and not get greedy.
by Eric9321 on Jul 21, 2009 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Any decent D-League guys out there that would sign minimums?
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by KingJafi on Jul 21, 2009 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Richard Hendrix, Kasib Powell, Jeremy Richardson, Russell Robinson, etc.
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by erivera7 on Jul 21, 2009 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Russell robinson and Hendrix Done..
Let’s play ball.. Get Russell a shooting coach and we are dialed.
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by Wmillion on Jul 21, 2009 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's what I'd do.
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by erivera7 on Jul 21, 2009 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Idea
Forget Russel and lets sign Anthony Roberson for the minimum
by Souwantmyname on Jul 21, 2009 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That'd be a terrible idea ..
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by erivera7 on Jul 21, 2009 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like Kasib Powell actually. Not a bad player.
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by KingJafi on Jul 21, 2009 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
at this point i'm with you.....
robinson could turn into a jaques vaughn type guy….
hendrix for bigs insurance and then let kasib and jeremy battle it out for garbage 3’s
there arent a whole lot of minutes left out there right now anyway…..
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by hwyatt3 on Jul 22, 2009 1:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What about the Vet's Min.?? How much is it?
by pianolady on Jul 22, 2009 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Depends on years of NBA experience
For players who have never logged a single minute of NBA action, it’s $457,588. For players with 10+ years of service, it’s $1,306,455. In between, it varies.
Complete details at Larry Coon’s FAQ.
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by Ben Q Rock on Jul 22, 2009 12:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Clarification: a player need not actually play to qualify for NBA service
** A player is credited with a year of service for each season in which he is on a team’s active list or inactive list for at least one day during the regular season.
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by Ben Q Rock on Jul 22, 2009 1:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How about...
a S&T for the rest of Dooling TPE and a 2nd round pick?
by fregonassi on Jul 21, 2009 5:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Dooling isn't worth that much
The only way we are getting a PG above the minimum salary is via trade. Otherwise it ain’t happening. Anyone else thing the whole Watson thing was a ploy to motivate Barnes to make up his mind?
by Eric9321 on Jul 21, 2009 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He meant Dooling TPE, not player. It crossed my mind about it being a good signing in CJ that would also force Barnes’ camp to decide quicker whether to take it or not. But a contender and Dwight recruiting… So Barnes comes to O-town! I hope in the small chances of adding a good PG depth now, but we’ll have to wait and see. I think between the bargain bin hunting we are forced to do with only the Minimum left and the trade talks, if any at all, could take some good rest of the summer to “finish” the full roster. No rush.
Only problem is PG depth if AJ starts wearing down or one of them goes down again. We have Gortat and TPE, but those only insure up to midseason deadline so it’d be nice to get another quality backup PG, esp. one in the youth or prime stage to be able to play starting PG if need be.
by derekk on Jul 21, 2009 6:43 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
It would be nice
If only someone would save us from our poor weak 3rd string PG spot. Damn it, I can’t help the sarcasm, I am LOVING worrying about our 2nd/3rd string PG. Have I died and gone to basketball heaven? Oh wait, that’s next year at trophy time hopefully…
by Eric9321 on Jul 21, 2009 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
#s on Barnes
here is the # on Barnes
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3643
by ROBERTOHENRY on Jul 21, 2009 5:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
starting 5
who’s gonna start at the 4 or 5 ?
by marc1988 on Jul 21, 2009 5:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Nelson at PG, Carter at SG, Pietrus at SF, Lewis at PF, and Howard at C
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by Ben Q Rock on Jul 21, 2009 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
With the rebounding that Barnes brings he could steal that SF slot from MP
I think that is what I prefer as of right now, at least as a compliment to Lewis at the 4. In fact a front court of Barnes/Lewis/Howard would be an upgrade rebounding wise over what we had last year. With Carter providing all that Hedo did and more from the 2 and Barnes increasing our rebounding over what Lee brought at the 2 this lineup could be much better than what we trotted out last at any point.
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by Eyriq the Red on Jul 21, 2009 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's the lineup I'd start ..
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by erivera7 on Jul 22, 2009 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
my bad
who’s gonna start at the 3 or4 spot ?
Is it bass or lewis at PF ? Is it barnes or pietrus at sf?
by marc1988 on Jul 21, 2009 5:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Most likely Lewis will continue to start at PF. Barnes vs. Pietrus is up in the air. Pietrus is better, but he is more suited off the bench
by Jwoey on Jul 21, 2009 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Possibly Barnes, tho I think MP can too as easily
by derekk on Jul 21, 2009 5:42 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
What about Andersen
Indeed. Maybe we can package him in a deal for that guy the Nets have…something Lee, I just can’t remember…
by Eric9321 on Jul 21, 2009 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He'll see spot minutes in the rotation, similar to what Redick experienced last season.
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by erivera7 on Jul 21, 2009 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Carlos Arroyo
Sorry, Gm Smith deserves an A+, but he can’t make every position stacked in depth department. And after looking at those possible bargain-bin PGs, Carlos Arroyo is clearly the best option right now. Best offensive game for a dirt cheap PG. He is very familiar with the Magic and the system. Magic own his rights, he’d take the min. esp. the number of seasons he’s had or the number of seasons we can offer. He’d like to come back and especially for a good chance at a ring. No brainer, these other PGs are horrible.
by derekk on Jul 21, 2009 5:58 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
I'd rather the Magic sign Russell Robinson than Carlos Arroyo.
.. and that pains me to say that, given that Arroyo and I share the same ethnicity.
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by erivera7 on Jul 21, 2009 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
posted this over in the Barnes thread by accident (sorry to double) but fits better here.
why not Brian Chase?
what makes Robinson a superior pick? Chase, though 5’10" has NBA experience, better shooter, comparable assists. Has RR improved his shooting since that was a knock against him coming out of Kansas? IIRC, in the summer league write ups you weren’t too high on his shooting/scoring for most of the games.
Chase too old? Hoping RR will develop? Is it better to have your bench PG on this team a little better at scoring or a little better at distributing? Does it hurt if he can’t consistently hit the 3? Based on the fan response to the possibility of CJ Watson it would seem we were okay to get a scoring PG. I’d say Chase is closer to CJ in style than RR is.
But you saw them both play, so what d’ya think?
by magicfaninTN on Jul 21, 2009 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Russell is still working on his shooting, and he knows that.
.. it was something he mentioned to me when I spoke with him at Summer League. At this point, you know what you’re going to get with Chase (given his age). Robinson still has room for improvement, and given the fact his penchant is defense, that’s something that fits in well with SVG’s system.
He certainly is a decent option as a third point guard, if the team decides to go that route.
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by erivera7 on Jul 21, 2009 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he plays is a pass first shoot second guy.....chase seems to be the other way around
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by hwyatt3 on Jul 22, 2009 1:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mmm, yeah .. for the most part.
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by erivera7 on Jul 22, 2009 2:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
next year?
Well, then I hope that CJ takes the Philly one year offer or the GSW qualifying offer and we take a shot at him next year…..but that’s because he looks like a Jameer-lite (which I like and think would help keep the same strategy in place with the starters and the bench) and I really don’t know who else is available next year.
by magicfaninTN on Jul 21, 2009 5:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Maybe, but I wouldn't count on that type of scenario.
Things change, situations change, etc.
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by erivera7 on Jul 21, 2009 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Especially since
Next year the cap will most likely be lower, and the Magic will undoubtedly not be looking to add salary at any cost. If anything they will probably replace the likes of Reddick and AJ with minimum contracts.
by Eric9321 on Jul 21, 2009 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"hoping" and "counting on" aren't the same, I know. :)
Yes, yes, you’re right….that’s a long way off.
by magicfaninTN on Jul 21, 2009 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why don't we just trade for Quentin Richardson and then trade him to someone else?
Every other team is just playing hot potato with him anyway.
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by hevchv on Jul 21, 2009 6:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That'd be fun.
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by erivera7 on Jul 21, 2009 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Boy, then do I ever have a post for you tomorrow
Stay tuned!
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by Ben Q Rock on Jul 21, 2009 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
how bout a sneak peak
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by hevchv on Jul 21, 2009 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Emotionally confused
Wow we get Barnes but lose Watson. Talk about celebrating and mourning at the same time. Is this bittersweet or what?
by telka on Jul 21, 2009 7:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Pretty much
but hey I still think there is a chance we may still get Watson
by Souwantmyname on Jul 21, 2009 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't see how this should be a move that's cause for mourning.
.. if the Magic don’t get Watson, oh well. Signing Barnes was more important.
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by erivera7 on Jul 21, 2009 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
How can you mourn
Losing out on a 3rd string PG opposed to a starting caliber SF. I was getting a bit hyped on Watson as well, but those two are not in the same league as far as our team needs are concerned. Of course, I am subjective due to my obsession for Shard to play at the 4 spot.
by Eric9321 on Jul 21, 2009 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He could still sign
You never know if he wants to be on a contender and I don’t see why Golden State would match since they have an excess of guards.
by gatoralex911 on Jul 21, 2009 8:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Correction on Jameer Nelson's salary (2009-2010)
According to hoopshype ……
Jameer Nelson salary is $6,138,888 for the 2009-2010 season,
thus the total for 11 players already signed (up to 7/21) is $78,489,027
by tutoballs on Jul 21, 2009 9:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
HoopsHype has it wrong.
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by erivera7 on Jul 21, 2009 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In case you don't know
What he said
by Eric9321 on Jul 21, 2009 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wonder why we won't get watson
we didn’t get watson because baby nelson from the mavs was pissed about us stealing gortat and bass so he cried to daddy nelson
by olemanrockin on Jul 21, 2009 9:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That makes no sense.
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by Ben Q Rock on Jul 21, 2009 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let me elaborate:
The Magic can’t land Watson because of financial restrictions. They quite literally don’t have the money for him. Dallas and Golden State don’t even figure into the equation.
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by Ben Q Rock on Jul 21, 2009 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's clear, looking at the finances, that Otis Smith got the maximum amount of money he could play with.
I know that there were reports that he’d be looking at $5 million – $7 million of tax money to play with, possibly as much as $10 million. For now, looks like the high-end number won out, given all the moves ..
.. though that could change during the season.
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by erivera7 on Jul 21, 2009 10:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
Can the trade exception be traded for a pick?
by Eric9321 on Jul 21, 2009 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't think so
You have to fill it with a player.
by eltharion_doa on Jul 23, 2009 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Correct.
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by erivera7 on Jul 23, 2009 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chosing Barnes over Watson makes sense
At least in terms of team need and fit, especially if Otis wanted to secure a strong case for starting Lewis at the 4 instead of at the 3.
Ideally Nelson would be able to play a full 36 mpg and we’d be able to rely on a reserve pg for 12 mpg max, but with Nelson’s frailty that does not seem like a likely scenario.
With Johnson we don’t gain anything from having him in, but we don’t lose much either, so I’m cool with him as the #2. There are still options, though much more of a stretch, which we could bring in to compete for the job. He’ll, like I’ve said before (though probably not here) Redick could still be a dark horse for the job… especially if we turn to more of the triangle offense.
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by Eyriq the Red on Jul 21, 2009 11:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Good point E....
Picking up Barnes essentially replaces the output D. Lee gave us last year (minus 3pt.%) while Carter adequately replaces Turks. All this plus a stronger bench, frontcourt, improved D-Howard makes a successful offseason.
by villanus on Jul 22, 2009 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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