UPDATE - ESPN: Orlando Magic Sign Matt Barnes; Oakland Tribune: C.J. Watson Will Sign Orlando's Offer Sheet
by Ben Q Rock on Jul 21, 2009 9:47 AM EDT
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According to Marc Stein of ESPN.com, the Orlando Magic have agreed to terms with free-agent small forward Matt Barnes on a two-year contract. The exact dollar amount of his deal is not yet known. The news corroborates what a source told 3QC when the Magic signed Brandon Bass 10 days ago, that Barnes would be the next player to sign with Orlando.
UPDATE: Adrian Wojnarowski of Yahoo! Sports reports the deal is worth $3.2 million over two seasons, with the second a player option.
Barnes, 29, is a 6'07", 235-pound small forward who has played for 6 teams in 6 seasons. He posted career-high averages of 10.2 points, 5.5 rebounds, 2.8 assists, and 27.0 minutes for Phoenix last season, notably spending some time at power forward as well. His career averages are 7.0 points and 4.1 rebounds on 43.4% shooting, and 33.2% from three-point range. He was a teammate of current Magic forward Mickael Pietrus in Golden State from 2006 to 2008.
In this scouting report composed before last season, ESPN.com analyst John Hollinger breaks down Barnes' skills in greater detail. An excerpt particularly relevant for the Magic:
When he isn't spotting up for 3s, Barnes basically plays as an energy guy who can come in at either forward spot. Though he's dramatically undersized for power forward at 6-7, 235 pounds, he's very tough and manages to hold his own on the glass. His problem is size mismatches in the post, which is why he tends to play in the frontcourt only in small-ball lineups; that was every day in Golden State, but is likely to be less often with his new employers.
Barnes handles the ball very well for his size and can be used as a point forward. He'll get out of control on drives to the basket at times and doesn't have the strength to post up or muscle his way to the hoop off the dribble, which is why he's mostly used as a spot-up shooter.
It's possible that Barnes could spend some time at shooting guard with the Magic, in a pinch. A more likely outcome is his splitting time with Pietrus at small forward, and perhaps even starting in order to keep Pietrus in the sixth-man role in which he excelled in the playoffs. Barnes' point-forward skills, to which Hollinger alludes, could make him a replacement for the departed Hedo Turkoglu in some offensive sets.
The timing of this signing definitely piques my interest. Over the weekend, NBA FanHouse reported the Magic were about to present an offer sheet to restricted free-agent point guard C.J. Watson. However, Orlando has yet to officially ink Watson to that offer, presumably because it wanted to get Barnes nailed down first. Signing Watson to the offer sheet would have tied up the Magic's money for a week while Golden State mulled matching it, during which time Barnes could have signed with another team.
The Magic have $1.85 million of their mid-level exception left, after using $4 million of it to sign Bass. Barnes played last season in Phoenix for the minimum salary, and we expect him to have signed with Orlando for most, if not all, of that remaining $1.85 million. Signing him to the remaining portion of the mid-level would mean the Magic could only offer Watson a minimum contract.
The picture with Watson will become much clearer once financial terms of Barnes' deal become available. What we know for sure now is that Orlando has added much-needed depth at small forward for the next 2 seasons.
UPDATE: well, that didn't take long. Marcus Thompson II of the Oakland Tribune reports that Watson will sign an offer sheet with the Magic after having spent all of Monday with his representatives negotiating terms of the offer with Orlando. He's already turned down a $2.3 million offer from Philadelphia because he wants long-term security. It's probable that Orlando's offer will offer a lower annual salary, but a higher total dollar value.
Golden State will have a week to match once Watson signs the offer. Thompson addresses that possibility:
Warriors general manager Larry Riley has said all along he's a fan of Watson, who went from NBA Development League call-up to reliable backup in less than two full seasons. Before the draft, Riley said whichever point guard Golden State brought in would have to beat out Watson.
Of course, that was before guard Stephen Curry fell to the Warriors and became coach Don Nelson's favorite rookie (and, at worst, the backup of starting point guard Monta Ellis). Before the Warriors acquired point guards Acie Law and Speedy Claxton from Atlanta. Now, Watson is expected to be in a battle with Law for the No. 3 point guard slot.
Carrying four point guards is probably excessive for the Warriors, who, according to a team source, are looking to cut expenses by carrying 14 players instead of the maximum 15. Law is already set to make just over $2 million. If Watson gets a deal in that ballpark, the Warriors would be paying more than $4 million for a third-string player.
$2 million for a player of Watson's caliber is a relative bargain, but the Warriors are in the unenviable position of having a lot of money committed to mediocre players in long-term contracts. They're on the hook for almost $59 million in 2010/11 and nearly $62 million in the season after that.
Watson would be a solid addition for the Magic, who've already had one heck of an offseason.
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Great News!!!
Great addition for an already upgraded team!
by BobBarcebal on Jul 21, 2009 12:17 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Anyway you see the Magic getting Watson now?
maybe a sign and trade??
by Souwantmyname on Jul 21, 2009 12:18 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Possibly.
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by erivera7 on Jul 21, 2009 2:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
is there any money left from the Dooling TPE?
Life's too short. Be a fan. Magic, Cards,Rays and "the U"! What a winning combo.
by hevchv on Jul 21, 2009 12:18 AM EDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
That was used for Ryan Anderson.
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by erivera7 on Jul 21, 2009 1:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Van Gundy has a lot of work to do
Stan should be able to orchestrate this team to make it truly a winner!
by BobBarcebal on Jul 21, 2009 12:23 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Kudos to Rich DeVos!
That Amway money is being put into good use!
by BobBarcebal on Jul 21, 2009 12:23 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Doesn't mention the Barnes deal though
I’m sure that will effect it, in terms of where the money comes from. I’m assuming we used the rest of the MLE for Barnes.
by bandrewg08 on Jul 21, 2009 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow
this is turning into a great off season. if we can get cj to sign this is going to be a stacked team. it allready is. we can still trade gortat later if needed. wow this team is going to get it done under vangundy.
by magicman775 on Jul 21, 2009 12:32 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It's been a great off-season. Otis is merely putting the finishing touches on it.
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by erivera7 on Jul 21, 2009 2:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Soon.
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by erivera7 on Jul 21, 2009 2:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is that offer still on the table now after the Barnes signing?
And what’s with all the former Warriors? Foyle, Peaches, Barnes and maybe Watson. Wow!!!
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by hevchv on Jul 21, 2009 12:46 AM EDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
Don't forget Otis Smith and Dave Twardzik
Third Quarter Collapse: An Orlando Magic blog at SB Nation | Brandon Bass: "I just play hard."
by Ben Q Rock on Jul 21, 2009 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
forgot about them
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by hevchv on Jul 21, 2009 12:53 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
The Golden State Warriors a.k.a. The Orlando Magic's Minor League team!!
I swear, it’s like a breeding ground for all of our good role players or something!! LOL
by pianolady on Jul 21, 2009 1:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heh. Just gotta add Hendrix to the bench now....
….it’s destiny. He’s on the GSW payroll for this year, too.
by magicfaninTN on Jul 21, 2009 1:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Adding Hendrix sure would be nice.
Never hurts to have an emergency big like him.
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by erivera7 on Jul 21, 2009 2:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes,depth at 5 is important.
Although,having Bass directs money in other way
by Dzogi on Jul 22, 2009 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm going to get a new tattoo to show support to Barns
Barns is going to help out a lot!!
TRUE Ben Q Rock!! Much respect for them also!!
by bumper64 on Jul 21, 2009 12:49 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
(insert superlative)
barnes is going to be nice, but watson is the one who really has me interested.
by coque429 on Jul 21, 2009 12:58 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Both should be good fits for the team.
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by erivera7 on Jul 21, 2009 2:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OTIS
YOU EVIL GENIUS YOU!!!!!!!
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by magic12ball on Jul 21, 2009 1:00 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Interesting point from Twitter user @WavyStalker
Orlando likely can’t get Watson without a trade. Barnes probably took the remaining MLE, and Watson is worth more than the minimum. Perhaps instead of signing an offer sheet, he’ll come to Orlando in a sign-and-trade deal.
How?
The Magic still have some money leftover from the Keyon Dooling trade exception, which expires today (Tuesday).
Third Quarter Collapse: An Orlando Magic blog at SB Nation | Brandon Bass: "I just play hard."
by Ben Q Rock on Jul 21, 2009 1:08 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Thank you, Nets. Thank you, Warriors.
And soon, thank you, Raptors.
by bandrewg08 on Jul 21, 2009 1:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Otis is a genius.
Wow, CJ, Barnes, Vince, Ryan, Bass, Gortat.
Am I missing anyone?
This has be the best off-season of any team.
That is what you call not being satisfied with the status quo. Otis Smith knows this is their window and is doing everything he can to help this team win. Kudos to the management for letting him spend the money as well.
A franchise where everyone, from player to coach to executive are all on the same page—winning. What a great feeling!
by thermodynamic on Jul 21, 2009 1:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have an idea, but I rather not jinx anything.
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by erivera7 on Jul 21, 2009 2:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not superstitious, so I'll guess
I say that the rest of the MLE goes to the Watson offer for a 3yr deal (4th yr team option?)
Barnes, then, would have to be a sign and trade with Phoenix. Did we [have to] offer him a higher amount than our competitors (Cleveland, Atlanta, etc)? Or can we pick him up for the Dooling TPE this year? What do we have that the Suns would want? Or what do the Suns have that they would want to unload that might be a realistic part of the package?
Will they play nice with us and just take a 2nd round pick or even next year’s first? Their roster doesn’t look like they need JJ or AJ which are the only pieces I see us willing to give up. Unless Phoenix needs more parts in order to pull of another deal with another team. ??
Really, my guess is that we’ll be [pleasantly] surprised at what Otis pulls off.
by magicfaninTN on Jul 21, 2009 2:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wasn't there also a TPE for Mike Wilks?
I could have sworn I read we had something around $750-800K for Wilks.
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by The Dark on Jul 21, 2009 7:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, that was the minimum.
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by erivera7 on Jul 21, 2009 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OTIS!!! NBA Executive of the Year!
otis is da man!!!!
by BobBarcebal on Jul 21, 2009 1:10 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Have to wait and let the season play out before handing out hardware.
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by erivera7 on Jul 21, 2009 1:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Awesome! I'm so psyched for the season,
Barnes is at a perfect age, 29 and prime, and I always thought that Hollinger scout report and what I’ve seen of him would be a good fit with ORL. I’m not sure either of how we’re getting BOTH Barnes and Watson, there’s gotta be a S/T with CJ or ling term deal. But we’ve been looking at CJ and Barnes the last couple weeks. Me, like many of us, had our Most Wanted list:
1) Barnes then CJ
2) The rest
So basically, management did it’s job (and more IMO!), now it’s up to the players to play together and as hard as they can go. I love this team, I’m expecting heart and hustle, the ’Ship will come with it.
by derekk on Jul 21, 2009 1:13 AM EDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
That should wrap up all the major moves for Otis.
.. now he has to fill out the roster and wait until training camp starts.
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by erivera7 on Jul 21, 2009 2:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That should be the missing ingredient!
Heart and Hustle…. with the talent of this team…passion and winning attitude will get it done!
by BobBarcebal on Jul 21, 2009 1:16 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, Barnes is a solid addition.
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by erivera7 on Jul 21, 2009 2:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK, OK, SO I WAS OFF BY A DAY AND 34 MINUTES...........OH YEAH.......IM THE MAN
i’ll bet they are more serious than they would like us to believe…….
my prediction: within 5 days, he will be on our roster………
Just one man’s opinion…
…..“running mac games as if your name was Scott Skiles”….
by hwyatt3 on Jul 16, 2009 1:05 PM EDT
Just one man's opinion...
....."running mac games as if your name was Scott Skiles"....
by hwyatt3 on Jul 21, 2009 1:34 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
OH......I MEAN JUST 34 MINUTES...................MAN I'M GOOD
Just one man's opinion...
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by hwyatt3 on Jul 21, 2009 1:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice job.
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by erivera7 on Jul 21, 2009 1:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lookin' good...
Solid moves this offseason. Will always miss Turk and Lee but I like all the new parts.
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by KingJafi on Jul 21, 2009 1:46 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I miss Lee more
is that sad? no homo
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by magic12ball on Jul 21, 2009 1:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No.
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by erivera7 on Jul 21, 2009 1:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ala Boston Celtics summer of 2007.
The Orlando Magic have bought the best collection of talent in the NBA. The biggest difference is that the Magic were in contention for the title a little over a month ago, not coming off a miserable season.
Look at each of the players on the team. I’m of the opinion that the only players that aren’t deserving of contending for a starting role somewhere in the league are Adonal Foyle, JJ Redick, CJ Watson, and Anthony Johnson. Jameer, Vince, MP, Barnes, Bass, Lewis, Anderson, Gortat, and Howard are all starters, and fairly productive, somewhere in the NBA. On a team that’s not so stacked, Jameer, Lewis, Vince, and Rashard are all All-Stars.
by farfromfl on Jul 21, 2009 2:06 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I know people will debate the merits of who will start at SF, Barnes or Pietrus.
Pietrus, in my opinion, is the better player BUT sometimes it’s not all about amassing the most talent and starting those players, whoever they may be. Sometimes, it’s about fit and I believe that Barnes is the better fit starting at SF than Pietrus. There’s no doubt that Mickael can start, but I think he’s better served as the sixth man because a.) that role allows him to be more aggressive, offensively, coming off the bench and b.) it limits his playing time, in the sense that it decreases his chance of injury <<— these are just two quick examples.
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by erivera7 on Jul 21, 2009 2:21 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Good points
As much as I admire Hedo, Michael Jordan of Turkey is either an insult to the GOAT or to Turkish Basketball.
by pembeci on Jul 21, 2009 5:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Josh Robbins of the Orlando Sentinel says Dwight Howard helped bring Barnes to Orlando
Aaron Goodwin, who represents Howard and Barnes, had told Robbins the following via text message:
"He has agreed to a two-year deal, and I believe that Dwight’s recruitment of him truly sealed the deal."
Link.
Third Quarter Collapse: An Orlando Magic blog at SB Nation | Brandon Bass: "I just play hard."
by Ben Q Rock on Jul 21, 2009 2:28 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He's live on U-Stream
and just said he talked to Barnes a day before he signed.
by bandrewg08 on Jul 21, 2009 2:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok here is my guess at what happens with CJ Watson
The Magic and GS agree to do a sign and trade. We package AJ and JJ’s 1 year contracts for a newly signed CJ Watson and Marco Belinelli… I’m almost positive JJ is going to be traded in order for us to sign CJ. I’m just not sure how its gonna pan out
by Souwantmyname on Jul 21, 2009 2:47 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
in your opinion, why do they give up Belinelli
at all, let alone in a trade for JJ?
Or are you just dreaming?
by magicfaninTN on Jul 21, 2009 2:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Belinelli is in Nelson's dog house big time
plus he’s probably going to be thrown in there to make the salaries work.. JJ and AJ = 5 million Watson is probably not gonna get a 5 million a year contract. Maybe a 3 or 4 mil plus Marco’s 1 mil. makes up 5
by Souwantmyname on Jul 21, 2009 3:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh.
I still think the S&T is with Phoenix for Barnes rather than GSW for Watson (see my post above),
No mention of the terms for the Barnes deal (except speculation by the author).
While the Watson info leaks keep using the language of “offer sheet.”
But, I’m guessing as much as the next guy.
by magicfaninTN on Jul 21, 2009 3:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whatever the case, it'll all sort itself out in due time.
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by erivera7 on Jul 21, 2009 3:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well I just found somewhere that the Magic want Azubukie and Watson for a sign and trade
OMG I can’t want for tomorrow it looks to be another interesting day
by Souwantmyname on Jul 21, 2009 3:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL .. a link would be nice.
We value “sourced” material, here.
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by erivera7 on Jul 21, 2009 3:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just thinking...
Looks like the Magic maybe copy-catting the Champion Spurs from a couple yrs ago. Stockpiling talent that mirrors the rotational players, then letting them grow into the players we need down the road. Similar to MLB’s farm system. That way, if someone goes down w/an injury, we have young players that already know the system to step up. Interesting to me…
by pianolady on Jul 22, 2009 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I couldn't agree more......
like you say…….it has less to do with who starts and more to do with getting Pietrus off the bench first…….he would have won 6th man award of the playoffs….if there was such a thing….
PG – Nelson / Johnson
SG – Carter / Redick
SF – Barnes / Pietrus
PF – Lewis / Bass / Anderson
C – Howard / Gortat
If we can when we sign Watson…I believe he should eventually get the nod at #2 point guard…based on last years stats.
C.J. – MPG24.5 _ FG%.457 _ 3P%.400 _ FT%.870 _ RBG2.5 _ APG2.7 _ SPG1.2 _ PPG9.5
A.J. – MPG18.5 _ FG%.404 _ 3P%.391 _ FT%.753 _ RPG1.8 _ APG2.5 _ SPG0.6 _ PPG5.3
C.J. – PER 15.8
A.J. – PER 11.7
Watson draws a lot more fouls and has a better handle and I think this kid has a lot of upside. Surprisingly, his stat line from last year is almost identical to a player that helped land us Skip last year. Same type of game as well. If you don’t believe me check the links below. Just turn your volume down unless you really like profanity.
Aaron Brooks
—- MPG25.0 _ FG%.404 _ 3PT%.366 _ FT%.866 _ RBG2.0 _ APG3.0 _ SPG.06 _ PPG11.2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y858hGmWZoU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ub5oiFwmzbQ
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by hwyatt3 on Jul 21, 2009 2:51 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Nice a point guard who actually gets steals and knocks down his free throws
the Magic are gonna be living large
by Souwantmyname on Jul 21, 2009 3:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow... these people are serious about this thing.
And then again, shouldn’t they be? I mean, if it’s the difference between the Magic winning and losing the title, that’s worth way more than a few million dollars to sign a strong backup like Barnes.
I’m still not convinced with Watson — he seems like a shoot-first, Eddie House-style gunner, and I hate those guys. (Though on the other hand, Watson’s at least an efficient gunner.) But at the same time, I’m definitely willing to give him a shot to prove himself. (Assuming we do get him.) And worst case scenario, he’s definitely a good 12th man who can contribute NBA-level minutes in case of injury. Certainly better than counting too heavily on an undrafted rookie or a D-league guy.
Really, if it keeps us from signing Maurice Ager, it’s fine by me, right?
He's currently two-thirds man, one-third amazing. Which, let's face it, is still a pretty good ratio.
by 3.3seconds on Jul 21, 2009 5:54 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Once you get close to winning it, you want to do whatever it takes to get back there.
I think this is a prime example of that for the Orlando Magic.
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by erivera7 on Jul 21, 2009 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Some numbers for Barnes
$3.2m, second year is a player option.
by eltharion_doa on Jul 21, 2009 6:34 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Barnes!
Magic have the deepest and probably most versatile lineup in the East!
by O-Town MagiCane on Jul 21, 2009 8:47 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Orlando can certainly make a very strong argument.
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by erivera7 on Jul 21, 2009 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They are spending so much....
its because of the new arena… am i right?
by BobBarcebal on Jul 21, 2009 9:01 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hmm, it's more because the team wants to win.
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by erivera7 on Jul 21, 2009 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Best Magic team ever assembled right here! thanks to Otiz-11 and Devos for making it rain!
by D-RAK on Jul 21, 2009 9:11 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
this is just a completely new team
craziness o.O
You better be worth it, Vince.
by TheGiantSquid on Jul 21, 2009 9:18 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Lol, how crazy, right? I’m excited. Do you think they will be better this year?
by derekk on Jul 21, 2009 11:11 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Otis is getting busy
Another great acquisition.
by ggrant on Jul 21, 2009 9:23 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Otis Smith Doin' Work.
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by erivera7 on Jul 21, 2009 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I called it!
They were waiting for Barnes to sign before they inked Watson. Now we can stop with the Shard at the 3 argument. We officially have a new SF!
by Eric9321 on Jul 21, 2009 9:25 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
2 years, $3.2 million split right down the middle, 2nd year is a player option
He’ll sign the deal today.
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by Ben Q Rock on Jul 21, 2009 9:32 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
So we still have $200k left of the MLE? Do we have anything else we can package in the offer sheet to Watson?
Let's observe a moment of silence for CLee, Skip to my Lou, Batman, and The Michael Jordan of Turkey...
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by malars on Jul 21, 2009 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can't combine the MLE with anything, so if they get Watson, it'll have to be on a veteran's minimum deal, or in a sign-and-trade wherein they absorb his salary in a trade exception
… which would be curious, because Golden State does not stand to benefit in a straight salary-dump.
J.J. for Watson might be a possibility.
Third Quarter Collapse: An Orlando Magic blog at SB Nation | Brandon Bass: "I just play hard."
by Ben Q Rock on Jul 21, 2009 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lets do it!!
I like JJ but I fill that Watson ill help us more at this point after the addition of Barnes!!
by bumper64 on Jul 21, 2009 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Veteran's Minimum
What is the salary and how many years do you have to be in the league to be considered a “Veteran”?
by bandrewg08 on Jul 21, 2009 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's kind of a misnomer, since you can have 0 NBA experience and still sign for a minimum deal
The salary is scaled based on years of NBA service. In 2009/10, the minimum salary for players with 0 NBA experience is $457,588. For players with 10+ years, it’s $1,306,455. In between, it varies.
Complete details at Larry Coon’s indispensable Salary Cap FAQ. Here’s the specific link about minimum and maximum salaries.
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by Ben Q Rock on Jul 21, 2009 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you
I’ll be sure to bookmark that.
by bandrewg08 on Jul 21, 2009 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it's odd that the minimum salaries continue to go up at each year point despite the salary cap and luxury tax both going down over the next two years.
Let's observe a moment of silence for CLee, Skip to my Lou, Batman, and The Michael Jordan of Turkey...
Welcome Back Polish Hammer and Welcome Vinsanity, Ryan Anderson, Brandon Bass, and Matt Barnes!!
by malars on Jul 21, 2009 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Paper Champions (not in a bad way)
Right now the Magic can make a good argument for being the NBA’s paper champions due to the talent on their roster. They could be a little taller but they have added some physical size and strength. If they can make this work from a chemistry standpoint…they will not only be paper champions but NBA champions. I’m excited. Excited enough that I’m not upset they didn’t sign Bobby Jackson. ;)
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by KingJafi on Jul 21, 2009 9:44 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
We'll see what happens. That's why they play the games.
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by erivera7 on Jul 21, 2009 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's get PHYSICAL. Help down low on the way.
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by Surfdog on Jul 23, 2009 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey Everyone
Do you guys all remember back when we were complaining cause Otis was sitting on his hands doing nothing this offseason?
Man, once that first dominoe fell it has been one helluva ride!
by Eric9321 on Jul 21, 2009 10:04 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
08 trade deadline, when he did nothing with the expiring deals of Arroyo, Augustine, Garrity, or Dooling
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by Ben Q Rock on Jul 21, 2009 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
article on Otis
It would make an interesting write up (for the dedicated fan) to track the team moves from the time Otis stepped in as GM to the present. You could use the picture format you used with the recent team lineup post (which you’ll need to update now, eh?). I’m sure some moves were smarter than others. But, maybe we don’t want to give Otis haters any fuel right now.
Best case, Otis has been an genius with a master plan all along. Worst case, he’s grown into one. (Actually worst case would be that he’s completely clueless and just getting really lucky, but the evidence doesn’t support it).
by magicfaninTN on Jul 21, 2009 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes Eric0321!! Ben Q Rock and Erivera7 told us to slow down and let the man work!!
I apologize to Otis!! You are a great GM !! Lets just pray that all these changes mesh together for this upcoming season!! Cann’t wait for the new season to start!!
by bumper64 on Jul 21, 2009 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Like I said, be patient.
.. now you see why I said that.
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by erivera7 on Jul 21, 2009 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good signing
Matt Barnes can shoot the ball well, so along with Vince his scoring can make up for Hedo’s absence.
I wouldn’t say this is an AMAZING offseason. Losing Hedo, Lee and Rafer was a big loss for a team that relied on them heavily to win the Eastern conference.
I’m glad Otis recognized the need to stack the frontcourt with KG coming back healthy this season. Barnes also is an underrated defender that I think can do a serviceable in Lee’s absence.
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by Wasabi Steak on Jul 21, 2009 10:22 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Rashard Lewis.
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by erivera7 on Jul 21, 2009 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hah,these are one of the most interesting comments lately on 3QC
Now,what was name of that Fanpost recently?
Something like " WT. OTIS?!"
3 letters: L O L
by Dzogi on Jul 22, 2009 10:11 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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