Magic Close to Signing C.J. Watson
Tim Povtak of NBA FanHouse reports the Orlando Magic will sign restricted free agent point guard C.J. Watson to an offer sheet sometime this weekend. The Golden State Warriors will have up to one week to match the offer.
If the name is familiar to you, it could be because Eddy identified Watson as a potential trade deadline target for the Magic way back in January.
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Interesting...a young, solid player
A pretty good three point shooter. Sounds like he might supplant AJ as the backup maybe?
If Watson were to sign, I think it's entirely feasible to see him evolve into the primary back-up ..
.. once Dad’s reign with the Orlando Magic comes to an end.
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With his 3 point %
He should be the primary back-up and let Dad chill.
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If GSW declines to match the offer, then Orlando might have gotten a steal
He’s not much of a passer (15.6 assist rate) but he’s a damn good shooter (career 39% on three-pointers).
And he’s 25! A potential, long-term backup to Jameer Nelson.
It almost makes too much sense to be true.
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I love it..
What are the chances GSW don’t match?
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I wouldn't be suprised if they didn't
They have Monte Ellis, Steph Curry, Speedy Claxton, and Acie Law. All of those guys can play the Point.
Yeah, but it's all part of Don Nelson's plan
To have a 12-man rotation made up of only guards.
by Lee for three on Jul 17, 2009 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hard to tell
They already have 12 players with guaranteed contracts, plus Watson’s RFA rights, plus 2 guys (Jermareo Davidson and Anthony Morrow) on non-guaranteed deals. And they have a ton of point guards, so they might not want to keep yet another one around if it’s too pricey to do so.
Then again, Watson is a great 3-point shooter, and the Warriors could try to finagle a way to cut salary (Speedy Claxton buyout?) in order to keep him.
His agent met with Warriors GM Larry Riley on Monday to discuss their future plans. Not sure how that shook out.
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GS is a terrible team.
It sounds about right for them to match. It would be a bad idea with their current depth, so it will probably happen. Plus, isn’t Donnie Nelson (GM of the Mavs) the son of Don Nelson (HC of GS). Karma is cruel and payback is a b!tch. I won’t get my hopes up until we sign him and they decline to match. For the record, I wanted CJ before he went to the Spurs summer league team.
Life's too short. Be a fan. Magic, Cards,Rays and "the U"! What a winning combo.
I don't think the Warriors would match, but .. I really don't know with Golden State.
It’s hard to predict Nellie.
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With
Clax, Curry, and Law I think there is a chance.. I would value Watson over Clax though.
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Duh, anyone would.
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GSW PGs and do they match the offer for CJ?
First the non-CJ players:
1. Monta Ellis is #1
2. If you listen to the press releases, lottery pick Stephen Curry might be #2….hard to tell after the way he played in Vegas.
3. Speedy Claxton is the cost of getting rid of Jamal Crawford and is probably expiring contract trade bait. Don’t see him in the rotation.
4. What Acie Law offers is open for debate, but we need to acknowledge that he was a rookie at Atlanta—whose coach either does not or cannot develop young players. He was a #11 pick in 2007. So there is still a lot of upside to him as a player. Will the GSW system give him a chance to develop?
So, it is open for debate whether CJ would be the #2 or #3 or #4 option. Some GSW fans think Nelson loves CJ and would be inclined to match for that reason.
The rest of our MLE doesn’t put the offer out of range for GSW to match unless we offer a lot of years on the deal. In which case, I could see GSW taking their chances with Acie Law and letting CJ go in order to maintain payroll flexibility in the future.
But, Ellis, Curry, Claxton, and Law are all already signed to a team with a 13 players on the roster already under contract.
It plays to our advantage that CJ is a RFA. I think we are putting GSW on the clock to find a deal to trade CJ, Law, and/or Claxton for some other piece they need. If they don’t find trade partners in the 7-day window, then IMO our chances of getting CJ go up.
by magicfaninTN on Jul 18, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Given those parameters, I doubt the Warriors sign.
But who knows with them.
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Who, Orlando?
That won’t happen.
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Haven't heard about this at all
But love it if it’s true. Otis you shrewd SOB
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by betterthanburke on Jul 17, 2009 6:50 PM EDT reply actions
Typical Otis, hah .. don't hear anything until the last minute.
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I've liked him for a while.
.. nice to know that Otis feels the same way.
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He's got a serious fixation with GS players
We’re geared up to destroy the 2007 mavs
by Half-man Half-gortat on Jul 17, 2009 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
If Otis uses the trade exception to obtain Al Harrington or Stephen Jackson, we will know for sure
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by funny80sguy on Jul 17, 2009 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Touche.
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Off the top of my head, I remember GSW matched the Clippers' offer sheet for Kelenna Azubuike last year
And they overpaid drastically for Monta Ellis and Andris Biedrins, in addition to needlessly extending Stephen Jackson’s deal.
They’re not the most frugal of franchises, in other words. And perhaps they would be willing to keep Watson in the fold, even if the price is on the high side.
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Perhaps.
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Azubuike
Is a nice player, but barried on the bench.. Why not trade him??
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Yeah he is not buried on the bench
especially now that they are planning on starting Jackson at the 2. Kelenna is going to get the SF spot i believe
by Souwantmyname on Jul 17, 2009 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Chances are,we're not goign to match it.
We have tons of guards fighting for playing time and I don’t think Watson can fit in there.
by Curry on Jul 17, 2009 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Anybody have any idea what we're talking about contract wise? Will this impact getting Barnes or another wing player?
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Barnes said he wants to play for a contender, Daniels looks like he’s Bean town bound
so I think that would leave us and Cle. He would be brons backup not a lot of mins.+ I heard he wants to be in warm weather. I still think the chances of getting barnes is pretty good.
I like CJ think hes a good fit or could be, but if GS matches, oh well I LOVE DAD
Otis is aiming high thats for shure.with the money he’s spending I thought we would have some of the summer leaguers filling the roster……ink theese guys and were gettin full!
"Aiming high"
That’s certainly one way to put it, yeah. Doesn’t appear to be settling for anyone.
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incredible offseason for otis
i’d pencil him for exec of the year if not for the arms race going on around the league…never seen anything like it!
by Half-man Half-gortat on Jul 17, 2009 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions
If Magic win over 60 games, Otis is a shoe-in
Then again, didn’t Danny Ferry win Exec of the Year? I rather Otis stay under the radar.
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by funny80sguy on Jul 17, 2009 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions
No, the Denver executive did .. as he should have.
That was a well-deserved award for what the Nuggets pulled off.
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Don't care for this at all.
Kid averaged barely one assist per ten minutes last year. Yeah, I know GS’s offense is a mess, but that’s just too low a ratio for me to credit to a system. This kid’s not a point guard.
He's currently two-thirds man, one-third amazing. Which, let's face it, is still a pretty good ratio.
If he shares the floor with Carter, he can basically be a designated shooter in some situations
But if they’re asking him to coordinate an offense, well, I’d be surprised…
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Yeah, maybe that's just me.
I know a lot of teams get by without a true point guard, but it’s never been a thing I’ve liked to see. Anyway, we already have Johnson — I know we need a third legitimate point guard for injury insurance, because Johnson really can’t play more than 15-20 minutes. But as far as the backup position goes, is Watson an upgrade over Johnson? Unless Johnson goes into a shooting slump like early last year. I don’t see it.
He's currently two-thirds man, one-third amazing. Which, let's face it, is still a pretty good ratio.
Offensively, the comparison isn't close.
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Maybe... but I'm not really sure how relevant that is.
The fact is, Johnson — despite that early-season slump — did what we needed from him on offense: he shot threes. At a 39% clip, to be exact. Sure, Watson’s usage ratio was higher — though this IS Golden State, so everyone’s usage ratio is higher. But I don’t think we need a gunner at backup PG. I think we need a distributor who happens to be able to shoot the 3. And that’s Watson.
(Moreover, I can’t imagine Watson currently possesses the ability to play responsibly in a system. Not saying he’s not capable of it… just saying he’s been playing playground ball for the last 2 years. He probably IS going to attempt a bunch of shots, whether or not he’s the best option.)
He's currently two-thirds man, one-third amazing. Which, let's face it, is still a pretty good ratio.
I disagree, we do need a gunner.
We need to be able to put 5 players on the floor that are offensive threats. Teams help off of Dad on a regular basis. The team, in general, is prety good about moving the ball and making the extra pass. That’s all of the passing we need out of him. Vince can run the pick and roll, as long as Watson gets the ball up the court. He looks like a great fit. Garauntee he’s a lot faster than dad, and pushes the tempo a lot better too.
Side comment: Golden State is great at recognizing and developing talent. They’re just horrible at organizing a team approach to the game of basketball. They just throw a bunch of talented guys on the floor and tell them to run the ball.
He's been playing playground ball because Nellie's system allows it.
You can rest assure that Van Gundy will reel in Watson’s talents.
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stats state atherwise 10/16 fg-2/4 3fg 16/16 ft 7 reb 9 ass 1 stl 38 points against a strong utah team clearly beat deron williams on a head to head this kid is for real had a couple of close calls for tripdub
he loves to play loose and constantly on the break, and he can d up he had 3 or 4 steals in a couple of games and not by playing the passing lanesstrait up manned up, and with the rigth guidance theres no cealling to this kid amazing piece for this team.
He had a few games with a lot of assists, sure
But he’s still a poor playmaker. 34 times last season he played at least 10 minutes while tallying 1 assist or fewer.
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by Evan Dunlap on Jul 18, 2009 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not touting Watson as some revolutionary figure that changes society.
.. but I think he can bring things to the table for the Magic.
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He has a better Pure Point Rating than Hedo
2009/10 Most Improved!
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by Evan Dunlap on Jul 18, 2009 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Might miss on Barnes
But, I would take Wafer and CJ Watson over just Barnes.
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I don't think they can get both Wafer and Watson
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Then give me Watson..
We have a solid back-up SG in JJ.. Dad is not the answer at back-up PG. I like the way Otis is thinking.
Jeremy Richardson will do.. 35% from the 3 point line, but shoots a worse FG%.. LOL and 50% from the FT line.. Ha…
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I don't think those are comparable.
Even aside from the fact that I don’t like Wafer or Watson, how do they fill the same role as Barnes? Barnes is a SF; neither one of those guys can play SF.
He's currently two-thirds man, one-third amazing. Which, let's face it, is still a pretty good ratio.
Can't get both. Only can get one.
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SHAQTIS
Matty just spent a season and a half with Shaq, You would think he would see his chances are way better here, without the big shaqapottumus slowing the team down.
Who was there when Meer went down? DAD
Who was there when Rafer pimp slapped eddie house? DAD
Who was there to give you uplifting soul crushig dunks just when you needed them?DAD
you gotta have DAD.
DAD Dunks
He did have some nice posterizations this year, props to DAD for still having the ups.
by hedoswimmove on Jul 17, 2009 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions
SIGN CJ WATSON!!
Are you kidding me? In his 2nd season only, and at 25 yrs old still, he hit 45 fg% and 40 3pt%. I didnt see this player coming at all, but I really like him after reading the stats, scouting reports, and some looks Iv seen before. He has a really nice, fundamental shooting form so his %‘s dont seem to be outliers. He is JAMEER-LITE. This guy should be the primary backup. I hear he is a pesky defender, and his steal rate and FT rate is higher than normal + + + Great shooter off the dribble, he likes to slash to shoot closer in or drive, and is getting really good with PRs, as well as great catch-and-shooting. To be honest, despite GSW’s PG depth, they might match imo.
i agree
He makes sense. I don’t think GSW let’s him out of the door for free, especially since Orl isn’t going to break the bank for him. Probably pull a Gortat..
Too me he would be more important piece then Barnes. We can make up for the swing spots. God forbid something happen to Meer we would be back giving up pieces to find someone.
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by Wmillion on Jul 18, 2009 11:35 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm with GSOM and yeah it doesn't sound right
for us to match because of our depth on the team
but i can tell you magic fans that he is a good player with a lot of passion and last year at moments was called “crunch time c” but you guys have dwight howard so you won’t need cj’s occasional clutchness lol………….good luck next year!
Does it matter in GS???
they can play with multiple PG’s because they don’t care about defense. I bet we see alot of Montae and Curry lineups and thus I bet we see alot of losses
by Souwantmyname on Jul 17, 2009 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions
i dont know how he got that contract in the 1st place but I like Earl for his passing
It would give us a different look at PG
by Souwantmyname on Jul 17, 2009 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions
earl and i would both like something near the 6mil he got last year
but i’m afraid neither of us is going to get it
E, Ben
I just read the write up on this at the Warriors SB Nation blog, and it looks like they’ve got a lot of negaitve comments attributed to you guys that I haven’t seen you make. I could be wrong though.
Could you clarify?
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I say sign him
daniels is a sell out he goes to boston for 1.9 i bet we offered a similar amount but i do like c.j watson and remember that 4 way trade we did, dint we get like a million dollars cant we use that to sign matt barnes
starters: howard, bass, lewis, vince, meer
bench: gortat, anderson, barnes, peaches, watson
can you smell a championship run???
by doublettoluca23 on Jul 17, 2009 11:27 PM EDT reply actions
Daniels isn't a sell-out.
He was never going to come to Orlando.
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Which is good, imo
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by betterthanburke on Jul 18, 2009 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Yep. I didn't think he'd be a good fit.
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vets, please
my only problem with the cj thing is that right now, other than Dad, our bench is quite inexperienced (anderson, jj, gortat, etc.). young guys don’t win championships. i’d prefer to round out the roster with some guys who have been there.
Inexperienced?
I don’t buy that argument at all. ‘Experts’ tried to use that to dismiss the Orlando Magic during the playoffs and it didn’t work, because the team was able to get to the NBA Finals despite being “inexperienced”.
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you know, even though you're disagreeing with my point
i’m going to agree with yours. at least the part of yours that i kind of agree with. i was annoyed throughout the playoffs (esp against boston) that the national media kept calling us a young team. yes, dwight is young and lee is young, but rafer, hedo and lewis are all serious vets and AJ and Pietrus got a lot of run as well. We were not that young of a team. And htis year we won’t be either.
everyone knows that you win in the nba with vets, not young guys. that is not really debatable, right? we have a pretty decent mix of both. personally, i’d prefer another vet (esp one with a lot of playoff experience), but i can see a legit argument that we already have enough time-hardened vets to win now.
The notion that you win with vets instead of young guys is something work exploring.
.. from an empirical sense, I mean. I wonder if it’s true. Maybe I’ll ask Neil Paine to find out.
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that would be great, but come on, you do know what the answer to that is, right?
just take a look at the teams that have won it all over the past 20+ years — they are full of vets. the only team that comes to mind that you could make a decent case for as being relatively is the 2000 Lakers. they had young kobe (21) and relatively young shaq (28) and dfish (26), but those guys were surrounded by vets — horry (29), fox (30), shaw (34), harper (36). they had a good mix, but it certainly wasn’t a “young” team overall.
each of the other last 10 champs have been absolutely loaded with vets, and in each case almost all of the stars were vets. look at the last 3 — lakers, celtics and spurs. a couple young guys mixed in here and there, but highly veteran rotations overall.
naaw vets
i believe we need to look for young guys so that are older players like vince, rashard , jameer and even dwight and patrick chewing can mentor them and make them better players i for one believe gortat became such a solid player thanks to having dwight around the same with c.j nelson and dad can mentor him…. we dont wanna be old like the celtics!!!
by doublettoluca23 on Jul 17, 2009 11:57 PM EDT reply actions
Gortat is older than Howard.
I get what you’re saying, but .. just saying.
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Magic fans, check this out and get excited!
Near the end of the season when the Warriors only had 7 healthy players, CJ played 39 minutes against the Jazz IN UTAH, and destroyed Deron Williams. CJ had 38 points, 7 rebounds, and 9 assists. He absolutely carried the team. Here’s the box score:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=290411026
He would be a GREAT addition to your team as a backup PG. I hope he goes to Orlando and gets a chance to win a title
by WeStillBelieve on Jul 18, 2009 3:06 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
But
This is interesting indeed. But then again, it was at the end of the year where GS had no pressure and was playing a spoiler role. It is always easier to light up a scoreboard when you aren’t playing for anything.
yes, but
it was still in Utah which is one of the most difficult places to win, and CJ carried his team to the victory. Not bad for a backup PG on a contender
by WeStillBelieve on Jul 18, 2009 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions
erivera7 and BQR
What’s up. I’m dying to hear ,along with so many others, any real info on Matt Barnes. I believe he is the key to completing the playing roster. He would be huge for us at a position of need, SF. If Cavs get him it would really suck.
by O-Town MagiCane on Jul 18, 2009 9:31 AM EDT reply actions
Not sure where the Magic stand on Barnes right now
Their money will be tied up for a full seven days once Watson officially signs the offer sheet, during which time several free agents (possibly Barnes) will sign with new teams.
Sources told Orlando Magic Daily that Watson’s offer is the rest of the MLE, or $1.8 million. That’d leave the Magic with just a minimum deal to offer Barnes, who played for the minimum last season in Phoenix and (deservedly) wants a raise after posting career-best averages of 10 points and 5 rebounds a game.
It’s entirely possible that GSW will match and Barnes won’t sign anywhere, which would then enable the Magic to give him the MLE money they’re trying to give to Watson right now.
My gut feeling is that Barnes will sign elsewhere.
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by Evan Dunlap on Jul 18, 2009 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
This.
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Yeah I don't know
about this pickup. I guess it is decent for the money involved, but I would rather us go athletic on the defensive side of the ball. Jameer isn’t stopping anyone, AJ isn’t even able to stay BEHIND someone, it wold be nice to add a PG that cold perhaps throw some clamps on the little quick gards. From what I can tell, this guy has no defense whatsoever, speaking totally from what others have said of course.
Don't sell Jameer and A.J. short on defense
They’re solid on D. Not, you know, All-Defensive First-Team or anything, but still above-average.
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by Evan Dunlap on Jul 18, 2009 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I think you're off-based on Nelson's and Johnson's ability to play defense.
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Jameer isadequate on D but AJ got destroyed routinely
Rondo exposed AJ in the playoffs with his full court pressure. I bet alot of teams will do that exact same thing next year.
You have to take into account that SVG had problems with him as well as Alston. I just dont see Dad helping us next year
Johnson didn't get destroyed routinely.
.. Rondo is just a guy that’s too quick. It happens. It’s called a matchup problem.
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So Anthony Johnson, like 90% of the other players at his position, had trouble with Rajon Rondo.
WHAT A BUM! Let’s trade him for Roko Ukic so we can save some money.
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Hah.
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That 90% your talking about is OLD,SLOW, POINT GUARDS!!!
Does Derrick Rose have any trouble with Rondo? No
Does Jameer Nelson have any trouble with Rondo? No
Does Moe Williams have any trouble with Rondo? No
The key point is that if you have a fast pg that has good ball handling then you’ll be fine against Rondo. If you have a slower pg then Rondo can use his speed to stay in front of the PG and disrupt the offense. Seriously, if you can barely get the ball up the court against 1 guy then you shouldn’t be on a contender
by Souwantmyname on Jul 19, 2009 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Johnson has trouble with Rondo?
He averaged 0.75 turnovers per game against Boston last season.
Rose? 2.33 turnovers per game.
Mo Williams? 3.0 turnovers per game.
Apparently old and slow gets the job done better than young and careless.
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Come on you saw it with your own eyes in the playoffs..
I dont care what the STATS say. AJ could barely get the ball up the court on Rondo. Once he did the offense could get started until there were 14 seconds left in the shot clock. It was hard to watch AJ just get worked like that.
Also playoff intensity is alot different than regular season. Rondo didn’t play that way until the playoffs started
by Souwantmyname on Jul 20, 2009 1:37 AM EDT up reply actions
We really need a SF with some height.
Barnes is that guy! If we don’t get a player with his size and skills then the Magic are not as deep as we think. Most of you count on Lewis at SF but that really does not make our offense better since the PF is who usually helps when the Magic pick & roll leaving Lewis open. Bass gives us versatility and a guy like Barnes would do the same. I’m sorry but if we don’t get a DECENT SF we are in trouble when it comes to depth at that position.
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