The All-PER Teams
by The Dark on Jul 17, 2009 9:17 AM EDT
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Most of us here are relatively familiar with John Hollinger's PER stat. At 82games, they keep track of both PER and PER-against. Out of curiosity, I wanted to see who had high PER and low PER-against stats, and who had a high PER differential (PER minus PER-against). I looked only at players that played at least 10% of their team's minutes at a position - if you're playing less than 5 minutes at a position, it's not really where you're playing, in my opinion. After the break, the PER team, the PER-against team, the All-PER team, and the Razzies.
PER team (highest positive PER)
PG: Chris Paul (33.5), Tony Parker (25.9), Devin Harris (24.0)
Razzie: Jordan Farmar (11.1)
SG: Dwyane Wade (32.4), Kobe Bryant (26.9), Manu Ginobili (25.5)
Razzie: Quinton Ross (6.5)
SF: LeBron James (34.4), Danny Granger (24.6), Joe Johnson (23.4)
Razzie: Adam Morrison (6.4)
PF: LeBron James (37.9), Dirk Nowitzki (25.9), Shawn Marion (24.5)
Razzie: Brian Cardinal (9.0)
C: Dwight Howard (28.6), Chris Bosh (26.5), Pau Gasol & Al Jefferson (26.3)
Razzie: Jason Collins (3.9)
PER-against team (lowest PER-against)
PG: Ronald Murray (11.8), Raymond Felton (13.0), Ramon Sessions (14.1)
Razzie: Jason Kidd (21.7)
SG: Wally Szczerbiak (6.8), Shane Battier (12.0), Ray Allen (12.3)
Razzie: Monta Ellis (20.3)
SF: Wally Szczerbiak (11.8), Ron Artest (12.3), Linas Kleiza (12.6)
Razzie: Rodney Carney (19.9)
PF: Emeka Okafor (11.0), Tayshaun Prince (12.6), Brandon Bass (13.2)
Razzie: Anthony Randolph (22.2)
C: Brandon Bass (13.2), Brad Miller (13.4), Zydrunas Ilgauskas (13.8)
Razzie: Charlie Villanueva (27.4)
All-PER team (best PER differential)
PG: Chris Paul (16.3), Tony Parker (9.2), Jameer Nelson (7.5)
Razzie: Sebastian Telfair (-7.0)
SG: Dwyane Wade (17.0), Kobe Bryant (12.8), Manu Ginobili (10.8)
Razzie: Dahntay Jones (-9.0)
SF: LeBron James (20.8), Joe Johnson (10.0), Danny Granger (9.3)
Razzie: Adam Morrison (-10.8)
PF: LeBron James (23.7), Dirk Nowitzki (11.7), Emeka Okafor (9.6)
Razzie: Josh Powell (-10.0)
C: Dwight Howard (12.8), Yao Ming (10.4), Pau Gasol (9.3)
Razzie: Malik Allen (-17.1)
The surprises to me were:
Adam Morrison can't shoot.
Dwight Howard's defensive PER isn't that great. I'm guessing this is because he does a lot of help defense, and a good passer can sometimes get the ball to his man when he comes off to help.
Dwyane Wade is disgusting. So is LeBron James. We already knew both of these facts, but they're worth restating.
Jameer Nelson is more competent than he gets credit for - he's not top three on either offense or defense, but he's top three combined.
Brandon Bass apparently knows a few defensive tricks - he was #3 at PF and #1 at C, despite being "undersized."
Malik Allen isn't even D-League material.
A fair number of big name players can't defend worth a darn (I'm looking at you, Kidd and Ellis).
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Nice, really interesting to see Bass up there, backs up his toughness, love it. Jameer was alil of a surprise, but I knew he was really up there positive PER-wise to begin with. Dwight is Dwight, or Superman? :P
by derekk on Jul 17, 2009 10:13 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The best part was seeing Wally Szpoiandgadabiack from the Cavs. His defense is, well according to your stats, awesome. This further proves my point that the Cavs have great complimentary players to Lebron. It’s just that Lebron has not learned to set them up like Jordan did in his prime years, or Kobe is doing lately. Wally is the best defender at 2 different positions? Or one of the bes.t
by plyka on Jul 18, 2009 5:56 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i think wally's D stats prove a very different point
i.e. that the stats sometimes lie. anyone with vision in at least one eye knows that this stat has to be some type of strange anomoly.
(if you were just joking, then well played. you kept a very straight face.)
by pinthatd12 on Jul 18, 2009 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
I actually hate it when people use stats to tell you whether a pleyer is good or not. especially on defense. that’s why we watch the games. although I do think that the cavs have better personel than people give them credit for. just not wally.
by plyka on Jul 20, 2009 12:27 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
It's very weird...the only thing I can think is that maybe players try to do too much against Wally
He’s really not that great of a defender, but if someone tries to go One Man Army against him, and takes poorer shots because of it, that would be reflected in the PER-against.
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by The Dark on Jul 20, 2009 8:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
could be a lot of missed threes too.........
he will give up the jump shot rather than let someone drive on him………which in essence is good defense…….but man up…………uh……..he stinks
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by hwyatt3 on Jul 20, 2009 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sometimes you have to take stats and put them in the proper context.
There’s nothing wrong with using numbers to support claims, because that’s something I feel is necessary to make sure any type of opinion is backed up with empirical data. It’s necessary, IMO.
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by erivera7 on Jul 20, 2009 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dwight Howard makes it up for his defensive stats with his blocking, his mere presence, etc.
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by erivera7 on Jul 18, 2009 6:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That was what I was trying to say (and did a very poor job of) in my comments
Opposing centers don’t have a terribly low PER-against with Howard, but I’d be willing to bet every other position sees a decline when he’s on the floor. He’s a team defender, not a one-on-one specialist.
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by The Dark on Jul 19, 2009 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
jason kidd
couldn’t guard a parking cone at this point.
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by mhetrick14 on Jul 19, 2009 2:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure how much I can trust a metric that rates Wally Sczerbiak as the best SG defender in the league
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by Brickhaus on Jul 20, 2009 3:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
*Szczerbiak
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by Brickhaus on Jul 20, 2009 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
PER, as a whole, is a flawed metric to use.
It’s good to use in conjunction with other metrics, though.
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by erivera7 on Jul 20, 2009 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, there were a few that had me scratching my head...
Tony Parker as the second-best offensive PG? I like Danny Granger, but #2 at SF? Big Z as one of the top 3 defensive centers in the league? These are some of the ones on the list where the numbers don’t seem to match what I see on the floor.
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by The Dark on Jul 21, 2009 7:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cavs players are overrated defensively
Because they conceded so few points. Remember, PER is essentially a box score accumulator – so teams which don’t give up many points (and associated stats) are going to skew the results.
There’s an element of that in our guys as well – I suspect Nelson’s defensive PER would go backward in a hurry without Dwight patrolling the lane.
by eltharion_doa on Jul 21, 2009 7:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just means
Nobody loads up the stats sheet against him. I guess if you go back through Cleveland’s box scores, opponents either don’t score much at all, or load up elsewhere on the court – PG, C and whichever of PF/SF are probably pretty good places to go at them.
by eltharion_doa on Jul 21, 2009 7:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That should read
“whichever of PF/SF James isn’t playing at”
by eltharion_doa on Jul 21, 2009 7:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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