Orlando Magic Media Availability: Otis Smith Elaborates On Matching Marcin Gortat's Offer Sheet
by erivera7 on Jul 13, 2009 6:33 PM EDT
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PrintBen Q. Rock and I were at the RDV SportsPlex, today, to cover Brandon Bass' formal introduction to the Orlando Magic and his press conference. But first, the big news coming from the organization is general manager Otis Smith's decision to match Marcin Gortat's offer sheet with the Dallas Mavericks, thus bringing him back to the team. I was able to speak with Smith amongst the media and gather his thoughts on the move.
What's your motivation behind matching Marcin Gortat's offer sheet?
Two-fold, in a league that doesn't have very many centers, to have a starting center and a back-up center to hold that position down is good. Second part, we have 5 years [the length of the contract] invested in him and we do believe in protecting that asset, so bigger than anything else is what he brings to our team. Again, on occasions, this is not necessarily we tried to do a little bit last year and I think you're going to see a little bit more in the coming years, on occasion, you can foresee where we would play him and Dwight [Howard] at the same time. We'll try different things but we also trying to win a championship and in order to do that, you have to have enough tools in your shed to be able to use at different points in time during throughout the course of a season and throughout the course of a game.
I know you've said that you like to stockpile talent, is this move an example of that?
No, it's not necessarily a move to stockpile talent. I don't know if that's what I'm thinking, that we have an over-abundance of talent. We have a talented roster but I thought we had a talented roster back when we had 8 players so now we have up to 10 and we still have a talented roster. Just have to have the ability to be flexible in the NBA that's not. On a given night, some nights you need to be bigger, some nights you need to be quicker, some nights you need to force teams to matchup to our size. We've done that over the course of the year.
Is playing Howard and Gortat during the season something you like to see?
Well, what I like to see during the season is all of our guys battle because that's what you got. Competition is a great, wonderful thing so when you got Gortat, and Bass, and Anderson, all fighting for time, I mean ... you can't ask for anything more. I think those guys will determine how much time they play together. They'll do it on the practice court.
When will you plan on speaking with Marcin?
Well, he's in Poland, so I'm not necessarily sure when I'll be talking with Marcin next. I did notify his representation before talking to you guys, actually ... maybe 2 hours ago so that's the direction where we're going.
I know Gortat stated that he might not be happy trying to find minutes in Orlando. What are your thoughts on that? Is that something you're going to speak with him?
Rough life, isn't it. It's tough all over, isn't it.
Guys who have good character, once they get in the gym, their character fall back into form. Courtney is not happy about the trade going to New Jersey, but his character will carry him through so I'm not overly concerned about that part. Once he gets back into the gym, you have a tendency to earn your time.
Bringing back Marcin, do you think you match up better with Boston and Cleveland in the Eastern Conference, or did you like your team before bringing Gortat back?
I liked it before. I think what it gives you is somebody that can play those minutes behind Dwight. Not only that, but the games in which Dwight was out, Marcin was big for us so not that Dwight misses very much time, or we foresee him missing much time, but you at least have that option to go to when you start looking at viable options not matching his option for guys who perceived that we had a lot of interest in fell off the board, the [Antonio] McDyess' and the [Rasheed] Wallace's, you make an argument either way that those guys were short term, whereas Marcin is long term.
Did you think matching the offer sheet was a better option for you, given what else was in the free agent market?
Well, I didn't necessarily didn't see a lot of options. I think the options were good to start, just not a ton. There's not a lot of bigs available. We already have one in Marcin so you still have to protect the asset, [the] 25 year old center in the league.
Does signing Gortat maximize that window that you've been talking about?
Matching the offer, picking up the trade exception, there's a multitude of things ... signing Brandon Bass with a part of the mid-level, as opposed to using the trade exception, those are all things that, as an aggressive team, I think, does because it leaves you the trade exception to use if you have to use it during the course of the season if things aren't going right.
I figure, then, that you like the flexbility that you've been able to establish the past few off-seasons?
I think you have to have some flexibility. Aside from a player's contract size, the fluidity of the contracts ... can they move, can they not move ... those things, I think, are important.
Stay tuned later tonight at Third Quarter Collapse for my post containing my questions for Brandon Bass, as well as the complete transcript from the press conference.
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definitely sounds like otis has trading him in mind.
also, sucks to be gortat.
He still get's paid
Dallas has no centers. He would be working his ass off out there.
by Sabonis4Ever on Jul 13, 2009 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I really don't know what Otis Smith has in mind.
I tried to figure that out while I was speaking with him, but no dice.
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Otis is a shrewd dude...
with a phenomenal poker face.
Pickup Matt Barnes and Russell Robinson (from the summer league) and we’re in good shape.
Certainly possible.
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my 10 cents worth
Gortat will be traded before Feb with the 9 million Trade exception , and maybe a JJ , and we will get a big time player , hopefully Bosh ! Otis is the man , even if we dont do that Gordy is great and im happy hes back.
I doubt that will happen.
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Aren't the Magic like hardcore up against the cap now?
Who can they afford…does the Gortat signing change anything in terms of their ability to still get some of the decent names out there? Sentinel is reporting that they are already set to pay a 10 mill tax as is right now. Someone please elaborate.
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flexibility
king , i think they cant trade gordy till mid december , but they can add the 9 million exception to hes contract and pick someone up , there in it to win it this year , i just hope someone other then LA picks up Odom .
Orlando, right now, is roughly working with a $80 million payroll.
The Magic still have a piece of the MLE and the veteran’s minimum to use.
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I may be missing it, but i still don't fully understand the magic's situation
1) 9 million dollar trade exception
2) 80 million payroll right now, already over the lux tax
3) Gortat re-signed for 5.5m
4) Part of the MLE / Vet min
So how does this all work together? Especially the 9m trade exception. Is it possible for them to trade Gortat’s contract at 5.5m and then get someone back worth 14.5m without paying luxury tax? How does the 9m trade exception give the magic flexibility in pre-deadline trades since they are going to be above the lux tax?
The trade exception has to stand alone
We can’t include it with anyone in a trade.
We will pay luxury tax on contract traded for using the trade exception – it’s not luxury tax free. So if we use the whole exception to get a new player, we’ll have $89m or so on the payroll and have another $20m of luxury tax on top of that.
by eltharion_doa on Jul 14, 2009 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Correct.
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9m exception
So the 9m exception probably will only come into play if the magic feel another 9m guy will move them from running deep into the playoffs to actually winning it all? Otherwise they wouldn’t spend 18m to trade for a guy worth 9m pre-deadline. However, I then don’t understand the Gortat move. Would it not have been wiser to let Gortat go and then next year as the crappy teams in the league are attempting to dump salary, you pick up a player that potentially puts you over the top for 9m pre-deadline? Right now for Gortat they are really paying 11m, 5.5m contract and 5.5m luxury tax. So even if they had to pay 18m for a 9m guy early next year, it would still have been preferable to pay 18m than 18m + 11m —that’s really steep.
Bringing Gortat back is for this season
We’re trying to win the title right now.
Otis will deal with next season when it arrives, I suspect.
Wouldn’t surprise me to see JJ get traded pre-deadling this season, given it’ll get $5m or so off the payroll.
by eltharion_doa on Jul 14, 2009 1:04 AM EDT up reply actions
correction:
When i say next season, i mean the up coming season. It just seems to me that if you would have saved the Gortat money $5.5 × 2 = 11m, then next year as teams are looking to save salary you guys could have had a great pickup with the 9m exception. But signing Gortat for 11m and then signing another guy at the trade deadline for 9m x 2 = 18m, is very very steep and something which doesn’t seem likely to me.
The Magic may or may not use the trade exception at the trade deadline.
It’s available for a year so the team may elect to use it next off-season.
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Baring injury
I very much doubt we’ll use the whole trade exception at the summer deadline. We may use part of it to get another fill in player, or shore up our depth if a role player gets hurt.
by eltharion_doa on Jul 14, 2009 1:16 AM EDT up reply actions
that's exactly what i'm saying
However, if you would NOT have signed Gortat, then it would have been much more likely that the Magic would have used the trade exception, correct? Some crappy team with a very good player needs to dump salary. With this 9m exception, they can give you this very good player and you can just hand them 9m of salary to dump, correct? That is a very good offer for a team that is not going to make the playoffs and has a very good player in the upper 20’s that’s not in their long term plan.
I just don’t see the logic in signing Gortat is all. They have the 9m exception to use in a trade. Why match the offer for Gortat, which is the highest offer any other team has made in free agency? It’s also around the MLE, so a lot of other teams could have made him an offer. Dallas was the highest bidder for Gortat —you guys matched that. So it’s not like you guys were getting him on the cheap, and that’s a lot of money to pay for a backup who doesn’t really seem to fit your style of play and only gets 12 mins last year.
Nope
The trade exception doesn’t work like that.
If we didn’t sign Gortat, we’d need to sign another C to play backup. So let’s assume, say, Theo Ratliff signs for $1m or so on the vet’s minimum.
If we then go and use the trade exception at the deadline to sign another $9m in salary, we get luxury taxed on all of that. We’d actually have nearly $10m more in payroll. So if the alternative to signing Gortat is Ratliff + using the trade exception, we’re actually savin $4.2m (plus that again in luxury tax) by bringing back Gortat.
Although I don’t think we’d have used the all of the exception anyway.
by eltharion_doa on Jul 14, 2009 1:28 AM EDT up reply actions
trade exception is taxable
I totally understand that. What I’m saying is that there will be TONS of teams attempting to get rid of salary next year as the trade deadline approaches. You guys have a 9m trade exception —this means that you guys can get a $9m guy and give nothing back in return, right? You will still have to pay 18m (9+9), but the other team can simply dump the salary that they trade. This is very very attractive. You will be able to get incredibly steals with this exception. However, since you are paying 11m for Gortat, then this makes it much less likely that you will spend another 18m next year. However, if you would have signed Ratliff for the vet min and saved the 11m for GOrtat (5.5m and 5.5 lux tax), then you could have been in a position to take advantage of a great trade by the deadline.
I think the trade exception is around $7 million.
Maybe I’m wrong.
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OK, I get you
Not sure we’d have been able to sign someone as good as Gortat at the deadline, though.
by eltharion_doa on Jul 14, 2009 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions
The Magic are in the tax yes but who cares as long as the Magic win
The Magic going as far as they did in they playoffs boosted our revenues substantially. As long as the Magic fans keep going to games and supporting the team we’ll be fine.
This is what it takes to win in the NBA. Look at the Lakers they have a 84 million dollar cap number RIGHT NO and they still haven’t resigned Odom.Boston is at 79 million and they still might make a move in fa.
We are allowing ourselves not only a chance to compete but to dominate for years to come
The playoffs boosted the revenue, a bit.
.. but the Magic can’t afford to be knee-deep in the tax for long.
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looking forward to this season
should be fun , i have to admit i sold some of my play off tickets , but it paid for the whole of this coming season ………. sweeeeeeeeeeeet
lol, Otis has utilized every asset he's had in an aggressive fashion
Traded expiring contracts and breakout rookie C. Lee for the 4th/5th best SG in the league. Turned the Dooling TPE into a “system fit” type power forward in Anderson. Turned a now redundant and over payed Hedo into a 7mil TPE. Used part of the MLE on a promising big in Bass. Matched on a serious prospect in Gortat.
This may go down as the single greatest off season performance by a Magic GM in the history of our franchise. Fear the Otis, evil genius extraordinaire.
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Yeah, this off-season has been pretty damn good for the Orlando Magic.
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I think drafting Dwight, Jameer, and signing Hedo was probably the best
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by AB's triple double on Jul 13, 2009 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree. That was the best off season.
Before we get too high on Otis, let’s not forget the Hedo situation has been mismanged. I still want to get to the bottom of why the Hedo contract wasn’t a moot point before the all star break. Then again, I’m bitter…but the 2004 off season was huge.
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let’s not forget the Hedo situation has been mismanged.
That is crazy. Otis upgraded Hedo’s role in acquiring Carter. Hedo was expendable and the money he wanted was a joke for what would be expected of him (5th option). Getting a TPE for him was genius and gives Otis an even more valuable asset than if he had kept Turk.
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by Eyriq the Red on Jul 13, 2009 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions
You cant take away the fact that Hedo clicked...
…do we know if the chemistry will be the same with VC? Come on. Otis made that VC trade when he realized the Hedo ship had sailed. I give him loads of credit for getting VC at that point. That was quick thinking and gutsy. What I’m talking about is signing Hedo during the season. Why that was never done. They should of given him the 10 mill then. End of story. I will keep saying that I think Hedo was out from the get go. Lon Babby his agent also represents Grant Hill and Deshawn Stevenson…do those departures ring a bell??
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So they extend Hedo for 5 years and $50 million during the season...
How is that in any way preferable to Vince Carter for 2 years and $33 million?
by Evan Dunlap on Jul 14, 2009 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't have to find a new punch line...
Gortat still luvs the ball
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by D-RAK on Jul 13, 2009 7:22 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
I disagree
Since it’s so popular around here to repeat stuff,here:
It’s just business,nothing personal.
This is a bit of a head scratcher for me.
I love Gortat, but seeing how we shored up our frontcourt w/Bass and Anderson I don’t really get this move. $6 mil for a guy to play 12 mins a night?
As some have said, my best guess is a mid-season trade for Gortat using that trade exception to get a legit player in return. On the one hand, I’m happy to have him back, but at the same time I almost feel bad for him…he was about to have his chance to prove his worth as a starter and now he’ll be relegated to his 10-12 mins a night. Unless he’s going to be paired w/Howard for stretches. That kind of clogs up the floor…but if Marcin can develop a mid-range game and have more penetration by Carter maybe it could work.
We’ll just have to see how this plays out…but it will be nice to see him back dropping the hammer in an Orlando uniform.
Marcin Gortat told me that, if here were to come back to the Orlando Magic, he'd work on his offense.
I think, this coming season, that Gortat and Howard will play more and more together.
People will complain about Marcin’s contract but it’s no different than Battie’s last season. I think we can all agree here, and elsewhere, that Marcin Gortat > Tony Battie. Everything will work itself out, trust me.
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I guess there is little downside to this
because this didn’t really affect our off-season plans. We kinda built a team around the idea of him not being back and then brought him back anyway. It’s not like we did this first and then decided not to trade for Carter or not to sign Bass.
And while I do agree Gortat is a better player than Battie, I don’t really like the comparison. Saying that this situation is better than what we had with Battie is like saying a team is better than the Grizzlies.
BTW, with this move do you think we are done with bringing in rotation guys? Will it just be filling the roster out w/Summer League guys and third-string vets are do you think bringing in a Barnes or a Wafer (just a couple names we’ve been throwing around here) is still in the mix at this point?
by Lee for three on Jul 13, 2009 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I never said the situation was the same.
.. I’m just saying, comparing contracts, Gortat is better than Battie.
To answer your question, Otis Smith stated that his main priority, right now, is to find a third point guard. I think he’ll probably find one more rotation guy, but that’s about it. Right now, the Orlando Magic have 10 guys under contract and all of them are going to be used this coming season.
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If you had to guess erivera
What kind of money would Robinson/Hendrix warrant?
I’m thinking dont resign J-Rich and use that money for those 2 guys
by Souwantmyname on Jul 13, 2009 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I can't imagine they'd be worth more than the minimum
Fringe summer leaguers rarely pull a lucrative deal.
Each of them would net the minimum, nothing more.
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what's the minumum for rookies?
they are rookies right?
by Souwantmyname on Jul 13, 2009 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions
They're veterans and the contract depends on their years in the league.
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Bobby Jackson.
He’s coming. As for Gortat and Dwight playing more together, I can see that happening. Especially considering it was exposed in the playoffs that there was potential but wasn’t going to work in the post season until they had more practice working together.
I also would like to see vets more than summer league guys cause I’ll take experience any day. Especially if its Bobby Jackson or Bruce Bowen. Summer league guys take a lot more time to get trust from the coaches in general.
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Neither of those players are coming.
You’ve been on the Bobby Jackson bandwagon, to no avail.
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Lol
Its called grassroots. You gotta start somewhere. I just want one of those 2002 Kings players to win a title. Now that Hedo’s gone…Bobby’s my next target. Vlade’s gone…so is CWebb…is Pollard on the market by any chance…or Lawerence Funderburke? In all seriousness though, I still think a PG is going to be necessary for the long haul…and I’d rather have an experienced guy. It seems the consensus is a bargain PG summer league style. I just don’t think those guys will be reliable come May. The Magic already found Chucky Atkins from obscurity…lightning won’t strike twice.
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Oh snap...I forgot.
Good call.
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thats T-Hud..........
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For the long haul?
Jameer Nelson. No? Bueller?
The Orlando Magic need a third-string point guard. He isn’t going to see minutes in May. That’s why the consensus is picking up a guy like Russell Robinson, who can learn the ropes without any expectations of playing. Nelson and Johnson is the rotation.
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So just trying to figure out Orlando's rotation w/Gortat back
PG – Nelson, AJ
SG- Carter, JJ
SF- Lewis?, Pietrus
PF- Bass?, Anderson
C – Howard, Gortat
I know a lot of people like Lewis at the PF spot…I just don’t see how Bass, Anderson and Gortat get time unless Lewis shifts to the 3. Unless Anderson figures out a way to play the SF spot. Then it would be Nelson, Carter, Pietrus, Lewis, Howard w/the bench backcourt being Anderson, Bass, Gortat. It will be interesting to see how this plays out. Someone won’t be happy w/their playing time.
I don't think people will be 'not happy' .. everyone on the team is of high character.
Winning cures everything, and the Orlando Magic certainly will be willing a lot next season.
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Vince's high character is debatable
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I don't think it's debatable.
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Everybody hammers on VC for his Toronto issues...
The dude was in his mid-20s, injured, and getting harassed by the media for being injured (they were asking why he wasn’t dunking when he was playing with tendon damage in his left knee). The whole system there at the time stunk, and everybody wanted out – we got McGrady from Toronto because he didn’t want to play there any more.
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Not Sure I'd call TMac high character either
High character guys always go all out on both ends and are good teammates, Shane Battier types come to mind. Its not a label I’d through out lightly. I’m not saying Carter and McGrady are evil or even of below average character.
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by FreeZorilla on Jul 14, 2009 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think he was saying T-Mac was high character ..
.. he was just stating that he wanted out of Toronto. That’s it.
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Pretty much
Everyone who wasn’t “just happy to be here” in the NBA wanted out of Toronto at that time. It was sort of like Orlando between Shaq and D12 – not a whole lot of potential, and nobody with real talent wanted to be there, but at least Florida’s warm. Just because Carter wanted out doesn’t make him a bad character. It just means he wanted to be somewhere where playing meant something.
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Oakland to New England.
Life's too short. Be a fan. Magic, Cards and Rays! What a winning combo.
Something like that.
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It'll be more situation based than last year, but I think something like this
PG – Nelson, AJ
SG – Carter, Pietrus, JJ
SF – Pietrus, Lewis, possibly Bass/Anderson
PF – Lewis, Bass/Anderson
C – Howard, Gortat
Pietrus splits his time 60/40 between SG and SF, but is usually our starting SF. He does not get more than 25 or so minutes most games.
Lewis continues to start at PF, but logs plenty of minutes at SF as well, possibly at a 40/60 split.
Bass and Anderson duke it out for minutes at the PF and maybe SF slot, depending on matchups. Neither player gets the playing time their talent really deserves, but both are thrilled to be on a contender.
Marcin backs up Dwight, pulls enough minutes at the PF to keep his name out there, and we see where it goes. 65-70% chance he gets traded with some of the trade exception for a decent backup big and a pretty good (read better than MP, and comparable value to Marcin) SF.
This could easily be thrown off by injury, Marcin really continuing to develop at a rapid rate and earning big minutes at PF, or MP, Anderson, or Bass playing at a level that earns big minutes from the other second tier players.
Neither Bass nor Anderson can play the 3. They're strictly 4/5s.
by Evan Dunlap on Jul 14, 2009 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions
I hate to pigeonhole our lineup
But nothing I’ve read about these guys makes me very confident about either of them playing the 5, unless either Dwight or Marcin are out of the game for some reason. That leaves us with two promising young guys at the 4. If I’m Stan, and I’m looking for a way to play them (IF those two things were true) then I look to sub them in a little at the 3, for some big ball. Small ball’s overrated. :) And this is all purely hypothetical.
Lewis will presumably see some more 3.
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You finally agree to what I have said in the past. Happy to see you come around. You kept
telling me that in no way would Lewis see the 3. ;)
He might play the 3, but unless strategy massively changes, he won't start the 3
It would be a rotation when we were going bigball, not the starting lineup
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Correct.
I never said Lewis will start at the 3, I said he’ll see minutes at the 3.
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how bout trading someone besides gortat for a decent pg,
like bass or anderson?
No need to trade for anyone.
The Magic can sign Russell Robinson, for example, for cheap.
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Even if we were to trade for a ‘decent’ PG, if surely would not be either of those 2 guys. Probably more along the lines of JJ or Gortat.
by zakattackthe on Jul 13, 2009 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Gortat wouldn't be traded for a PG.
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Yea but i mean it as they would be the first 2 candidates to get traded, regardless of what position we receive in exchange.
by zakattackthe on Jul 13, 2009 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions
either way we win
if we keep Gordy we have a starting centre as a back up and can also play next to dwight (and he will get better) , if we trade him Otis will get a good player (ie wade or Bosh , maybe Amare-hope not though), win win situation.
pleaseeeeeeeeeee someone other then LA sign Odom , maybe dallas or houston or portland , or even Utah ………… LA get to many Breaks .
yep cant trade till Mid December .
Otis isn't going to get Wade or Bosh back .. let's just, this isn't NBA 2K.
I can guarantee you that will not happen. As for Odom, he’s going back to L.A.
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C'mon man --win fair
Beating the lakers next year without Odom just wouldn’t be fair…kind of like if Rashard Lewis got hurt next year in the playoffs.
Odom will be back
$9m a season will secure him.
by eltharion_doa on Jul 14, 2009 1:04 AM EDT up reply actions
He'll be back .. the market is steered for him to re-sign.
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Hey plyka can you explain something to me
The Lakers already have a payroll of 85 million. Lamar Odom is looking for 10 million a year which isn’t unreasonable cause a similar (albeit not as good)player Boris Diaw got a contract along those lines.
So how can the Lakers afford a player that will cost them 20 million dollars. This all happening in a state that has gone bankrupt
by Souwantmyname on Jul 14, 2009 1:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Because the Lakers
Fill the Staples Center every game, and have some of the highest ticket prices in the NBA.
The government aren’t the ones buying Lakers tickets, so it doesn’t matter if they’re bankrupt. Jack Nicholson and friends can still afford Lakers seats.
by eltharion_doa on Jul 14, 2009 1:14 AM EDT up reply actions
This.
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According to Forbes
I’m sorry but I don’t have the link, but if you dig through Forbes they show how much profit each franchise makes. The Lakers are always near the top in all of sports, profiting $45 million or so yearly. This includes last season, and this season should be higher. Don’t worry about Jerry Buss and gang, they always make their dough…not to mention Buss’ estimated worth is $8billion so he has a penny or two to spare…hey Buss, if you’re listening, you’re getting kind of old and YOU CAN’T TAKE IT WITH YOU…so sign Odom for a measly $9m (really 18m with lux tax) will ya?
Odom is the glue guy on that team and I would like to see him go elsewhere
I care not for fairness :)
by Souwantmyname on Jul 14, 2009 1:53 AM EDT up reply actions
I thought for sure Gortat was gone
I think the price is steep, but the starters were on the court for 2 many minutes last year. I think SVG will have more flexibility with his bench and be able to rest the starters for longer periods and not have a big drop off with the bench on the floor.. With 4 all stars on the roster, they need to play unselfish ball inorder to win. I think anderson would be the better fit at SF over bass, with Lewis going back to the 3 and moving to the 4 at times for mismatches. I wouldn’t be surprised if Otis brings in Barnes still and fills the remaining roster out with 2-3 players from the summer leaguer (I liked Powell and Hendrix, but it will prob be Powell and Robinson).
The price is steep, only because Marcin Gortat isn't starting. That's all.
If he was starting, no one would be complaining about his contract.
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He is when you considering the lux tax implications.
Let's observe a moment of silence for CLee, Skip to my Lou, Batman, and The Michael Jordan of Turkey... *cry*
That's another story,and is separated from him as a player.
How much does then cost,let’s say…. Lamar Odom? And so on.
Gortat is NOT pricey.
True, but if the team is willing to pay the tax, what's the problem?
It’s obvious this is a calculated move by the organization to win.
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Has anyone mentioned yet that we could have brought back Turkoglu...
with the money we’re giving to Bass + Gortat?
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by DieSlowKeyshawn on Jul 13, 2009 8:45 PM EDT reply actions
I don't think that ever was an option for Otis Smith ..
.. because he felt, as I agree, that snagging Vince Carter made more sense in the big picture.
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Yeah our front court would be non-existent
it’s just food for thought
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by DieSlowKeyshawn on Jul 13, 2009 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions
No worries. It's a fair question.
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I really don't think Turkoglu wanted to come back or else it would of been taken care of earlier in the season.
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Turkoglu wanted an extension last season... Orlando wouldn't negotiate
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by DieSlowKeyshawn on Jul 13, 2009 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Really? I don't remember that...he had a better season in 07-08...adds to my point further...should of put an end to it back then.
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So they can commit a ton of money to a guy after one great (flukey) season?
by Evan Dunlap on Jul 14, 2009 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions
See James, Jerome.
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Hey,
I went to college with him. Just because my 6’0’’ and under friends used to take turns dunking on him doesn’t mean he didn’t deserve his contract.
Yes, I actually made it through that comment without laughing. That was a turrible contract because of one playoff series.
Life's too short. Be a fan. Magic, Cards and Rays! What a winning combo.
Not when the 2's talent don't equate the 1's talent.
Now, this would be an issue if we had a decent front-court to begin with. Since we had nothing, it wasn’t logical to bring back the more talented option, however, it had to be done to fill the roster. No qualms here.
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by DieSlowKeyshawn on Jul 13, 2009 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Carter is better than the 1 though, so we've already covered ourselves
by Souwantmyname on Jul 13, 2009 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Yep. But could have had both Carter & Turk
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by DieSlowKeyshawn on Jul 13, 2009 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Those 2 guys are redundant nearly the same player
Plus Hedo signed a terrible contract if he doesn’t perform
by Souwantmyname on Jul 13, 2009 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Could have had both? No way.
That would have been impossible .. given that the roster still needed to be filled out.
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It's impossible, just every other member of the team would be filled by scrubs
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by DieSlowKeyshawn on Jul 13, 2009 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions
meant, it's possible...
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by DieSlowKeyshawn on Jul 13, 2009 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Right, that's the only way.
Which wouldn’t have been smart.
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Well I didn't want Gortat back FOR THAT MONEY, that said
…I actually feel bad for him, that he’ll never be able to start in the NBA in his prime.
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by DieSlowKeyshawn on Jul 13, 2009 8:46 PM EDT reply actions
Can't say never. Things can change, as I suspect they will.
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What do you mean by that?
That Gortat will be traded this year or in the future allowing him to start? Or he’ll start at the 4 allowing him to start?
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by DieSlowKeyshawn on Jul 13, 2009 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Gortat will eventually be moved.
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I'll laugh if it's a salary dump
Because that might be the best thing the Magic can realistically get. It’s hard to get anything of value for a lower salaried high quality player. One way or the other, the team giving up that player is going to lose in the deal.
But, I’m cynical. We’ll see what happens. Back to writing my paper.
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It won't be a salary dump move.
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Houston and Dallas
Houston is still desperate for a big man, and Dallas will be exposed now that they’ve given up The Animal and not gotten The Hammer. Both teams will be willing to negotiate. That said, I’d be really surprised if Portland doesn’t move one of it’s big men before the trade deadline, so we won’t be the only merchants at the market.
Well, Dallas can't negotiate for a year so ..
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Yep
It’s the rules when you match an offer made from a team. Otis knew that when he matched it. (This isn’t limited to Orlando either. It happened when CJ Miles was signed to a contract offer by OKC, and Varejao by Charlotte. All the same rules applied to Gortat applied to them at one point.)
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That's exactly what it is
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It makes sense, despite the contract
there’s got to be a team willing to take it on and we can get a player or two back for him, helping to fill out the roster.
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by DieSlowKeyshawn on Jul 13, 2009 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Of course, he won't.
/sarcasm
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The Magical Mind of Otis Smith
With Gortat back you can pretty much bank on the following players seeing court time;
Starting:Nelson, Carter, Lewis, and Howard
Major Role: Bass, Pietrus
Rotation: Gortat, Anderson
The rotation can be filled out with JJ and AJ, or there still may be some bargains to be found in FA with the rest of the MLE and a minimum contract. Either way, this team is looking to be deeper and more flexible than last year’s final time by quite a bit.
'Coach, Dwight is a nice guy. Dwight don't hit anybody. But Superman will knock the crap out of you.' - D12
Well, there's 10 guys on the roster that are all rotation players.
.. and as you said, it’s deeper and more flexible.
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LOL
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by Eyriq the Red on Jul 13, 2009 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions
free agency 2010
something intriguing to think about is the possibility of coupling the expiring contract of carter next year and gortat for one of the big free agents on the market. for arguments sake if the whole carter experiment doesn’t work out as planned, some team that could potentially lose its star like miami or cleveland (cause let’s be honest, toronto isnt gonna want carter back) might be willing to do a sign and trade if their guy won’t come back. not saying it will happen, but new york isnt fielding much of a team and now pat riley and wade are going back and forth in the media so it isnt totally out of the real of possibility for something like that to occur
Eh, I doubt that's a possibility.
I’ve never thought of the Magic as a 2010 player.
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neither did i
but its not crazy to think now. a championship caliber team with the best center in the league and an attractive living location is a draw to someone (especially wade whos been in the state for a few years) and it is conceivable with the carter contract and gortat who is obviously not here for the long term at that price. its clear that carter was acquired atleast partly cause of his contract length and the flexibility it gave us as compared to turk. improbable, but definitely not out of the realm of possibility.
lack of size
Magic has no one over 6’11" outside D12, so I guess it makes sense retaining probably the best young big out there. But still, that’s a lot of money for a backup.
It's a lot of money, but it's worth keeping him around to keep the options open.
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Basically.....
we are paying a starter to come off the bench for us…..not a bad deal…..
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And,if it’s really truth that the biggest Otis’ concern now is 3rd PG,I’m happy.
as much as otis says
he is not stockpiling talent….he is stockpiling talent. He is putting the team in a situation where they can play and see what they got. By retaining Gortat and getting the TPE, I expect the team is seeing where they need to improve by around midseason and then making moves to strengthen the weaknesses. By signing Gortat, this gives the team so many more options when that time rolls around.
Even though $34 mil seems like a lot for a backup for your best player, if you are only paying half a season of that contract it really isn’t a big commitment…especially, if you have the TPE to play with. And if $34 mil still seems like a lot to you, look at Anderson Varejao…and laugh!
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Yeah, it's a blessing.
Credit for the organization.
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Not every organization does it
I don’t really know why, but I think they fear what people will say.
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The organizations that don't grant that access (is what I meant)^
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there has to be a trade coming
although i don’t think it has to be right now…
otis talks about “protecting the asset,” and in my view that’s exactly what this is.
and i think it is a great decision. the magic are the ones who had the patience with gortat, developed him… you can’t just let him go for free.
gortat to houston for battier?
gortat to dallas for josh howard? (ok, ok, ok….. pipe dream)
but wow,
i just read he about the trade restrictions..
can’t be traded til dec, he can veto any trade, and he can’t be traded to dallas for a year…. i’m officially dumbfounded
I don't think most of those issues will be major.
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$5.840 million.
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Thanks E, So lets say we keep Gortat for half the year right up to the trade deadline.
Were looking at paying him about 2.920 million on top of the salary of the incoming player… that might get tricksy
by Souwantmyname on Jul 13, 2009 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions
You can't combine a player with a trade exception
Just letting you know now.
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Personally
I think this is a move where Otis out thinks himself. He can’t trade Gortat in the next year without his approval, and doing that will be harder than one might think. Gortat wasn’t just signing for more money, but on a good team that needed a C too. I don’t think Otis Smith can find a team like that. Maybe it’s Dallas, and what not, but I doubt it.
The problem as I see it is that Gortat can say he’ll get over being disappointed, but that’s easier said than done. Plenty of players wish they can leave a situation, and than it doesn’t happen, and they don’t simply play as well. Maybe Gortat’s different, and everything will be okay.
Basketball wise, and I think this is really the most important part of what I am saying, I think this is a mistake. I don’t see the problem with Gortat not having a limited game. I see the problem is that Gortat is the kind of player you want closer to the basket, and isn’t it pretty obvious that’s where SVG wants D12 too? You can’t have both guys be as effective as they can be even if it works.
The other problem I see is that the “idea” of protecting yourself in case a player goes down. If Gortat goes down to injury, the Magic haven’t lost a shot at a championship. If Jameer Nelson, Vince Carter, Rashard Lewis or Dwight Howard (Howard being the most important of the 4 obviously), even with Gortat around, you’re not going to replace D-12 anyway. You’re no longer a championship team without Dwight Howard around.
I think this is a mistake, but only time is the ultimate judge of these type’s of things. Hope it works well, but I’m not holding my breath.
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Oh yeah
And I forgot about the fact he can’t be traded to Dallas too. So, there goes that.
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There are plenty of teams in the NBA that are looking for starting-quality big men.
The demand is greater than the supply, which is why Otis Smith matched the offer sheet.
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No doubt
There is no doubt young big men, with his skill set are hard to find.
I think Gortat will sign off on a trade, especially if gives him a chance to start.
Walking double, double with agility. Considering his price tag, he is a nice piece for whatever team adds a superstar next year. You could possibly pair him with a Bosh or Stoudamire.
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Pretty much, yeah.
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That's the same problem Portland has
They have a lot of talent, and no team will give them what they want back for it. At some point, you move a player for your reasons, and while Orlando may get something out of Gortat, I’m not holding my breath. History says these types of move are usually done to retain a player you need, and not an asset.
But, we’ll see.
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You forget that if Otis hadn't matched the offer sheet, the Magic wouldn't have gotten ANYTHING for him, so to say we won't get anything for him in a trade is a curious statement.
Let's observe a moment of silence for CLee, Skip to my Lou, Batman, and The Michael Jordan of Turkey... *cry*
Better to get something than nothing.
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Hope you're right
Doubt you are.
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He's not BYC
But, I’ll have to check on that.
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These are the rules for BYC
BYC defines the salary that’s used to compare players for compliance under the Traded Player exception (see question number 68 for more information about the Traded Player exception). Usually the salary used for comparison is the player’s actual salary. But under either of the following circumstances, a different salary is used when comparing salaries for trading purposes:
* The team is over the salary cap, used the Larry Bird or Early Bird exception to re-sign the player, and the player received a raise greater than 20% (unless it’s the minimum salary).
* The team is over the salary cap, it extended the player’s rookie scale contract, and the player received a raise greater than 20%.
That’s not what happened with Gortat.
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Wasn’t Marcin on his rookie contract before this new one? That would mean he is getting a raise greater than 20%
* The team is over the salary cap, it extended the player’s rookie scale contract, and the player received a raise greater than 20%.
Wouldn’t that apply?
I thought if a player got a high raise (from his last contract) and he was retained by the team, then the BYC would apply?
Marcin wasn't on a rookie contract, no.
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It does, yes.
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If this contract he had was his rookie contract
He will be BYC. The problem here, if anything, is that the Magic didn’t use any of their exceptions to sign him. But, we’ll see.
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I seriously doubt Gortat is traded this year
Even before reading the trade restrictions, I thought the Magic would hold on to Marcin for this year definitely and probably next year too. 5.5 mil a year for a starting capable backup at the C position is relatively cheap, especially considering the lack of quality bigs in the league. I don’t really see Orlando truly entertaining offers to trade Gortat until the third or fourth year of the contract. And especially not this year as it seems the organization is committed to winning the championship this year.
I’m really happy the Magic are one of the major players in the market this year. With the bad economy and the “Hall of Fame” 2010 free agent class coming up, the major players are getting steals left and right. And Gortat’s deal is a steal. I just wish Portland would do the smart thing and sign Odom away from the Lakeshow.
I think it's possible he sticks around during Orlando's "window" ..
.. I definitely think that’s more than a possibility, in my opinion.
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I think we could deal with LA right now even if they had Odom
by Souwantmyname on Jul 14, 2009 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions
I would give the Lakers the edge over the Magic, right now.
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if the devos family is willing to pay....we are a much better team with him.....
i dont think we should trade him this year unless we get a player of equal or greater quality…
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I think it's a Win-Win.
He either will be valuable trade bait or worked into the line-up some way. You cannot find a more capable backup C. He may even work into a twin tower option if he develops a mid-range which i think he is capable of doing. He is a valuable asset worth having around.
The Surfdog
Sad.
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Those thinking that Gortat will be traded, his Base Year Compensation will make that awfully difficult.
.. at least for this coming season. Figured I’d put that out there, since it hasn’t been addressed.
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