An NBA source has told the Orlando Sentinel that the Orlando Magic will match the five-year, $34-million offer sheet extended by the Dallas Mavericks to Marcin Gortat and thus retain him. The team would not be able to trade him until Dec. 15, at the earliest, if that's what the team wants to do.
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Me neither
But I remember reading someone’s post about “word on the street regarding MG…”,it makes sense now!
by Dzogi on Jul 14, 2009 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Holy Macaroni!
I feel bad for Gortat since I know he wants to play some minutes, but I like it for the Magic since it will give them a good backup in case of some catastrophic injury to Dwight as well as a nice bargaining chip in any upcoming trades.
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by funny80sguy on Jul 13, 2009 3:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
And I say this without giving a flying fudge about the salary cap implications to Orlando
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by funny80sguy on Jul 13, 2009 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's a smart move.
.. though real pricey.
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by erivera7 on Jul 13, 2009 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My first thought,exactly
Could that money have been spend better? Probably,but I LOVE this move.
Man,u gotta LOVE Polish hammer,let him win the ’ship with us,and THEN release him!
by Dzogi on Jul 14, 2009 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Holy Crep
Deh Poleesh hemmerr izza beck!
(Say that with the same accent as Niko Belic from GTA4 and itll make sense)
"Blue and white...ignite...* BOOOOOM * !!!!! - Dwight Howard (Orlando Magic playoff jumbotron message)
by magic12ball on Jul 13, 2009 3:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
it would've taken me an hour to spell that out to make it sound right
Never trust a fart
by AB's triple double on Jul 13, 2009 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Take that Fishsports!
I hope this is true, the peices we could get for him has me salivating! and we have a big trade exception too, oooh weeee! and if we dont trade him, I love that situation too! STACKED! ORLANDO MAGIC= more options than a loaded caddillac!
by D-RAK on Jul 13, 2009 3:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Does this affect us getting Barnes?
If not, we have the best bench in the league.
by bandrewg08 on Jul 13, 2009 3:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The Magic still have ~$1.8 M of their MLE left.
by Ben Q Rock on Jul 13, 2009 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks
I forgot teams can go over the cap to re-sign players with bird rights or something. Or does that have nothing to do with this?
by bandrewg08 on Jul 13, 2009 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Part of the MLE is still available.
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by erivera7 on Jul 13, 2009 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
$1.854 mil, no?
Let's observe a moment of silence for CLee, Skip to my Lou, Batman, and The Michael Jordan of Turkey... *cry*
by malars on Jul 13, 2009 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, just about.
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by erivera7 on Jul 13, 2009 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow!
5 Frontcourt players are now:
Dwight
Rashard
Gortat
Anderson
Bass
That’s an awesome group. So much you can do with them too!
"It's difficult to win when you're outscored in every quarter." -Bill Walton
by betterthanburke on Jul 13, 2009 3:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If Magic are still searching for a backup center, I hope they just bring back Adonal Foyle instead of bringing in Theo Ratliff
Foyle is a great character guy that is already acclimated to the team. I’m not saying that Ratliff isn’t a good guy, but Foyle is just a cooler dude.
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by funny80sguy on Jul 13, 2009 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Someone's gotta read the team poems before bedtime
…relax, I keed I keed
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by magic12ball on Jul 13, 2009 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why do you 'keed'?
I completely agree with that statement. Adonal just has a more hypnotic, soothing voice that was meant for poetry. I just don’t think that J.J. Redick can emulate that.
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by funny80sguy on Jul 13, 2009 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
www.adonalfoyle.com
Just go and prepare to dance. Caribbean Soldier Boy style.
by bandrewg08 on Jul 13, 2009 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!
Holy sh1t that made me LOL so hard, niiiiiiice….
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by magic12ball on Jul 13, 2009 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh yea
Never will I ever utter "never" to myself
Fall in love with defeat, throw my endeavors on the shelf
I never back up like Cleo Lemon or myself - WALE
by EX-TREME on Jul 13, 2009 3:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
So I guess we're trading Shard then!?
(JOKE)
by fwedo on Jul 13, 2009 3:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I would’nt let A I put on STUFF’s costume and be our mascott
by D-RAK on Jul 13, 2009 4:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I would let him do that
But that is just because I think it would look cool for a mascot in a full on costume to be skillfully able to do that crossover dribble.
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by funny80sguy on Jul 13, 2009 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you for screwing the Mavs. Western Conference fans much appreciate.
draft the stache
by Cablinasian on Jul 13, 2009 4:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You guys were my sleeper team this year
if you got Gortat.
I’m sorry! : (
by fwedo on Jul 13, 2009 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s kind of tongue in cheek, I root for the Mavs over most other WC teams. I just don’t understand why Orlando would do this.
draft the stache
by Cablinasian on Jul 13, 2009 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
this also sucks for Marcin. In Dallas, he could’ve had big minutes and big numbers.
draft the stache
by Cablinasian on Jul 13, 2009 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
dont rule out a trade for gortat....i believe when its all said and done...you will have your man
nelson and smith have a good relationship and i think otis is too smart to burn bridges…….
just wait………
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by hwyatt3 on Jul 13, 2009 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gortat can't go to Dallas for a year.
Via the Collective Bargaining Agreement.
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by erivera7 on Jul 13, 2009 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow!!!
Didn’t see this coming.
Quite frankly, I’ll believe it when I see it… but that would be huge! HUGE!
But even if true, would Gortat choose to remain a backup over starting?
by RussL on Jul 13, 2009 4:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Marcin is coming back.
He has no choice .. I asked him if he were to come back to Orlando, he would try to do more things to net himself more playing time as a result (working on his offensive game so he can play with Dwight Howard).
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by erivera7 on Jul 13, 2009 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sure he'll try.
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by erivera7 on Jul 14, 2009 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Otis is a sly son of a gun
Looks like he was setting up the Rockets and Mavs earlier when he said publicly that he wouldn’t pay more than 5 million for a backup center.
by gajitman11 on Jul 13, 2009 4:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That's something I wanted to ask him, but I forgot to ..
I don’t know if this was a premeditated move or not, on the part of the organization.
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by erivera7 on Jul 13, 2009 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Many thanks
To the Devos family for being willing to spend the money even with us in a small market. This heals the wounds from the Brighthouse fiasco nicely.
by Eric9321 on Jul 13, 2009 4:12 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Now
If we can just get a good SF like Barnes to come in on the cheap. We have part of the MLE left and I believe a veterans exception to sign a backup PG.
by Eric9321 on Jul 13, 2009 4:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Otis stated that his #1 priority, right now, is to find a third point guard.
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by erivera7 on Jul 13, 2009 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What a power move.
Just think of all the options this team has now. And we were afraid our bench would be thin!
And if some of the new players like Bass work out, Gortat suddenly becomes a STRONG bargaining chip that could be traded.
by RussL on Jul 13, 2009 4:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It gives Otis Smith flexibility, something he likes.
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by erivera7 on Jul 13, 2009 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Man
We haven’t even REALLY kept Gortat yet and you are already trading him away. Battier is a decent player, but in no way is he the answer. Besides there is a one Duke limit in Orlando. Sorry.
by Eric9321 on Jul 13, 2009 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So cut JJ! haha
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by betterthanburke on Jul 13, 2009 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh right, be realistic.
Who are going to make fun of then without J.J. on the team?
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by funny80sguy on Jul 13, 2009 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well I've made from of JJ since he was at Duke, so it'd be possible!
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by betterthanburke on Jul 13, 2009 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol
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by EX-TREME on Jul 13, 2009 4:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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by big aaron on Jul 13, 2009 4:20 PM EDT reply actions 7 recs
Nice, aaron.
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by erivera7 on Jul 13, 2009 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow, i am shocked by this move
the organization must really REALLY love the hammer. i have to imagine this is being done as a trade chip — i think, like otis said, you really can’t pay ~$6mm for the backup for your best player. i mean, for 10 mins a night he’ll now make about as much as jameer!
anyway, even if we’re matching to trade, two points (i) it’s a big gamble — if gortat fizzles or gets hurt or we’ve overestimated the market for him at this price, we’re saddled with a rough contract and (ii) as others have noted, it’s a huge step-up by devos since this pushes us WAY into lux tax territory.
all that said, you gotta LOVE the way our roster looks! esp if we can now nab barnes.
by pinthatd12 on Jul 13, 2009 4:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Maybe
This is a ploy as well, perhaps to loosen the strings on a trade involving Dallas in some way? You never know…Dallas is pretty stoked on Marcin so maybe this is to send them into panic mode to send us something in return for our trade exception…just throwing it out there.
by Eric9321 on Jul 13, 2009 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well...
good point, but bottom line is, I think Gortat in Orlando is the main thing we should be thinking about. Screw Dallas, they had their chance in 06.
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by magic12ball on Jul 13, 2009 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gortat can't go to Dallas for a year.
.. and he would have to approve a trade during that same timeframe.
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by erivera7 on Jul 13, 2009 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I prefer Gortat over Battier
Just because big men are harder to come by. Battier is a great defender, but not a great offender :)
by Eric9321 on Jul 13, 2009 4:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Gortat is...
…to me the Euro version of Chris “Birdman” Anderson. Highly exceptional athletic ability, great shot blocking skills, great attitude, minus the rooster hair.
Can I getttan AMEN??!!!
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by magic12ball on Jul 13, 2009 4:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
a lot of money to a guy who is going to play maybe 20 minutes
a game….
by celticinorlando on Jul 13, 2009 4:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I smell fear coming from Boston
by Souwantmyname on Jul 13, 2009 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not really fear .. he makes a valid point.
But my counter-argument would be, Gortat’s contract is a little less than Battie’s contract.
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by erivera7 on Jul 13, 2009 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Our frontcourt backup's are Gortat and Bass!!!
Half the league doesn’t have that kind of talent on their frontcourt and their our RESERVES!!
HAHAHAHAHAHA
by Souwantmyname on Jul 13, 2009 4:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Can't get too overconfident.
The season hasn’t even started, yet.
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by erivera7 on Jul 13, 2009 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I saw it coming. Im so happy tho.
Theres alot of reasons to keep Gortat if only for his level of play even at that price. Was discusing in another thread alll the other possibiliies of trading Gortat down the line, this deadline, next summer, in 2 seasons make the most sense. Its great insurance and we needed a backup C badly, and the twin towers live to compete against a Lewis/Anderson/Bass + Dwight combo, so we will see who wins that battle. Froncourt check. :)
by derekk on Jul 13, 2009 4:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You cant ever let a good asset go for nothing. Dallas FO = Dumb, shoulda S/T'ed.
by derekk on Jul 13, 2009 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
dallas really got punk'd
letting bass go and then losing gortat. ouch!
i think we’re now almost even with them for blowing out jameer’s shoulder.
by pinthatd12 on Jul 13, 2009 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Its official
Dallas got 1 up’d on this one
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by magic12ball on Jul 13, 2009 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dallas didn't get punk'd.
Brandon Bass wanted to come here and the Mavericks should have braced for the possibility of the Orlando Magic matching Marcin Gortat’s offer sheet to stay with the team.
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by erivera7 on Jul 13, 2009 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
they didnt brace themselves, and woulda had more money and time for other FAs like Bass or S/T for Gortat. It might not have worked, but thats a punk to me
by derekk on Jul 13, 2009 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't brace themselves? You don't know that.
Not trying to be mean, but .. I mean, I don’t know that. You don’t know that.
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by erivera7 on Jul 13, 2009 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i would never try to be mean to you E, too much respect. maybe we’re looking at it differently but Dall shoulda seen it coming, esp. in the last few days when even fan threads were teeming with Match Gortat, Keep or Trade Later topics that were so sound it actually happened. Dall shoulda cut hopes and offered a different FA, or offered Bass more than 3.5, or attempt a minor deal to placate Smith. they underestimated Smith.
by derekk on Jul 13, 2009 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Otis' comment about 'anything more than $5 million is my limit' ..
.. threw people off. Maybe I’m wrong, but I think he made that statement on purpose.
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by erivera7 on Jul 13, 2009 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yea, that dude is too advanced for me lol. Hes a shrewd GM. I pretty much just build on what others say, and it seemed as smart as I could understand to retain Gortat.
by derekk on Jul 13, 2009 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gortat's new contract has BYC status now, right?
Does that make him easier or more difficult to trade?
And wouldn’t you guys prefer Turkoglu to Bass + Gortat
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by ignign*kt on Jul 13, 2009 4:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
makes him difficult to trade.
draft the stache
by Cablinasian on Jul 13, 2009 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's a young,talented, mobile Center
those aren’t difficult to trade
by Souwantmyname on Jul 13, 2009 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
BYC players are difficult to trade.
draft the stache
by Cablinasian on Jul 13, 2009 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There are a lot of players in the $3M range
but not many are as valuable as Gortat. The point of departure for negotiations will probably be a package deal.
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by ignign*kt on Jul 13, 2009 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess it makes trading him
a little more complicated.
"I've hacked into your brain. You're throwing a party and no one's showing up."
by ignign*kt on Jul 13, 2009 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Only because he has to approve of a trade for a year.
If you give Marcin Gortat starters minutes, his contract is great value. Obviously that won’t happen here with the Magic because Dwight Howard is the franchise center.
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by erivera7 on Jul 13, 2009 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
given the composition of our team
i’d rather have bass and gortat than turkoglu. with vince, rashard and mp i think turk is a lot more expendable than 2 quality young bigs.
by pinthatd12 on Jul 13, 2009 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed.
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by erivera7 on Jul 13, 2009 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Man, Otis has been a genius this offseason
He got the trade exception out of Toronto for Hedo, signed a talented YOUNG big in Bass for cheap cheap cheap and now kept a valuable piece in Gortat for a possible future trade
I give Otis an A this offseason… A+ if he signes Wafer
by Souwantmyname on Jul 13, 2009 4:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
WHY IS EVERYONE SAYING THAT WE'RE GOING TO TRADE GORTAT???
I dont understand what gives anyone the impression that we’re planning to trade Gortat, OR sign Theo Ratliff now. With the resigning of MG, we get a solid back up Center to relieve Dwight and we already have a somewhat 3rd/emergency center piece in Brandon Bass (who played C for DAL last season). Plus, I would rather have Adonal Foyle instead of this dude that Dwight murdered in the post last post season: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUMEZC5C9Eo
That is not good defense.
Gortat stays, end of story.
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by magic12ball on Jul 13, 2009 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gortat has to feel like he's just been given a 5-yr sentence.
He’ll never have significant minutes playing behind Howard. It’s kind of soul-crushing.
"I've hacked into your brain. You're throwing a party and no one's showing up."
by ignign*kt on Jul 13, 2009 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think it's a freakin' jail sentence.
I know that he’ll be happy to stay with the Magic, but the only issue will be minutes. However, as Otis stated with me, a person’s character (Marcin Gortat) will eventually overcome that problem.
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by erivera7 on Jul 13, 2009 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dwight makes a lot of guys look like bad defenders
by Jwoey on Jul 13, 2009 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
As I said earlier, I think people need to brace for a possible trade ..
.. because ownership can’t afford to pay a $80 million payroll. Maybe they can, I don’t know. Either way, Otis Smith and the rest of the organization will figure out what to do. I wouldn’t count on it, though.
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by erivera7 on Jul 13, 2009 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is officially the end to any major free agent plans for the Magic for 2010
If you want to trade our spare parts for Devin Harris, I have three quarters I would like to trade for your dollar
by Norsktroll on Jul 13, 2009 4:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
There was never any major free agent plans for the Magic for 2010.
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by erivera7 on Jul 13, 2009 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You must believe in the Hobo
I guess their really is an insider. Interesting to see what else is leaked…..
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by Eyriq the Red on Jul 13, 2009 4:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Gortat and Bass are 2 great young bigs and are only costing the Magic 11 million
To put it in perspective:
Erick Dampier is being paid 10 million this year and 13 next year
Okafor is making 10- 14 million for the next 5 years
by Souwantmyname on Jul 13, 2009 5:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
thats awesome
the options we have to adjust through february are great. i’m confident that we’ll either make the right adjustment by the trade deadline or stay put according to how the season plays out
Nah' mean, nah'm sayin
by Dr Things on Jul 13, 2009 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
For now, but those contracts will escalate.
In any case, Brandon Bass and Marcin Gortat are signed to excellent contracts.
The issue with Gortat is he won’t be netting the minutes to make his contract .. good value, so to speak.
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by erivera7 on Jul 13, 2009 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
think of it a a high premium on insurance............
Just one man's opinion...
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by hwyatt3 on Jul 13, 2009 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
For sure.
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by erivera7 on Jul 13, 2009 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
magic12ball
first of all, love your handle. well done.
to address your point, i think he gets traded within a year b/c it is a helluva a lot of money to pay to a guy who can really only legitimately play one position, and that position happens to be manned by one of the 5 best (and 5 least injury-prone) players in the league. as much as we want a dream team, we have to be financially reasonable, and in my opinion $6mm is an awful lot for a 10-12 minute guy.
it’s analogous to the drew brees/philip rivers issue — you just can’t have too many long-term resources glued to your bench.
by pinthatd12 on Jul 13, 2009 5:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks bro
For anyone else, its like Magic-8-Ball (the toy they sell at walmart/kmart)
On your Gortat point, I see your logic but if Im Otis Smith, Im only dealing him away if theres a deal that best suits our team for the long haul (another promising young center, etc.) That deal may or may not come this year but I guess I’ll have to get used to that when the time comes. For now, he stays and I hope they start selling Polish Sausages at Amway, no homo.
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by magic12ball on Jul 13, 2009 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A valid point and something I'm sure Otis Smith is aware of.
.. he knows what he’s doing. I think every can see that, at this point.
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by erivera7 on Jul 13, 2009 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We can't trade him to Dallas at all
According to John Hollinger
http://twitter.com/johnhollinger/status/2620367900
By matching the offer, Magic also can’t trade Gortat for the next year without his approval, and can’t trade him to Dallas at all.
by bandrewg08 on Jul 13, 2009 5:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I dont mind that
He stays put here. Give him the money to backup Dwight the Beast and to fix up his BMW M5 that is unmatchable according to sources: http://nba.fanhouse.com/2009/06/10/marcin-gortat-drives-fastest-car-in-nba/
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by magic12ball on Jul 13, 2009 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gortat would welcome any trade to a team who would start him
Didn’t know he couldn’t be traded to Dallas at all, though. Makes sense.
by Jwoey on Jul 13, 2009 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right. People need to realize that ..
.. this isn’t NBA 2K or something. There are rules.
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by erivera7 on Jul 13, 2009 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
gortat said before hed be happy to stay in o-town, but if hes too ticked off he could play poorly or not consent to any trades in 1st year, or get an injury, or teams lose interest. there are risks for sure.
by derekk on Jul 13, 2009 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Risks, but I think Gortat won't let business overtures affect his play.
The man just got paid. I think he’ll be alright.
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by erivera7 on Jul 13, 2009 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just did research on the CBA......I had thought they could turn around and trade him to the Mavs..... I get it now........
WOW……What a shrewd move. I was sure Smith wouldn’t do that to Nelson but like you said E:
Brandon Bass wanted to come here and the Mavericks should have braced for the possibility of the Orlando Magic matching Marcin Gortat’s offer sheet to stay with the team.
It’s not like they didn’t know what they were getting themselves into and they knew our options were limited as well. And who knows they may have a plan B also.
Kudos to the DeVos family…….
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by hwyatt3 on Jul 13, 2009 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
...But can trade him to any other team WITH his approval?
Which won’t be hard to get,if he’s really all about playing time.
by Dzogi on Jul 14, 2009 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great Front-line
If you take money out of the equation, re-siging Gortat is a no-brainer.
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by Wmillion on Jul 13, 2009 5:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
No-brainer in the sense that you retain an asset.
.. and create flexibility down the road.
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by erivera7 on Jul 13, 2009 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
One thing is for shure, Otis is doing everything he can to win a ring, and if it dont happen then i will at least know that.The weakest link on this team is SVG. and that aint too bad.
by D-RAK on Jul 13, 2009 5:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
svg the weak link?
really? i disagree. i don’t think we have other weak links (so i’d be hard-pressed to have to pick one), but i certainly wouldn’t call svg one. i think he’s clearly been instrumental in building this team up to a championship caliber.
by pinthatd12 on Jul 13, 2009 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
SVG
I just dont like his view on offensive rebounding, and think he needs to add some plays to go with the pic&roll he was so in love with.
by D-RAK on Jul 13, 2009 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think with the team we had last year, pick&roll was just the best option for the team as a whole. I’m not a strategist or anything so I can’t say what would be a good offensive plan for our line-up, but with VC, I can see our team running more than just pick&roll. Let’s just hope SVG takes advantage of all our pieces and create something truly awesome!
by CityShrimp on Jul 13, 2009 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
PRs were really effective, I expect to see the same amt of them I think. But to add what Nelson does is dribble penetrate, PR and create for himself, VC will do this alot too as an add.
by derekk on Jul 13, 2009 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
SVG will adapt and adjust.
He always does.
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by erivera7 on Jul 13, 2009 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And starting Bass might not hamper the O much, b/c Magic played pretty darn well offensively w/ Battie and I think his spacing on O will be near Bass' spacing. Cept Bass makes the 2 w/ the best of the league, and can really drive off the dribble too.
Alot of shooters who can play the 3 line or drive/pass incredibly if forced too, and with the beast of the league in the middle for alot of iso’s, PR rolls, putbacks.
by derekk on Jul 13, 2009 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you think SVG is going to be the weakest link on the Orlando Magic ..
.. then pardon me, that’s an absurd suggestion to make. Truly and utterly absurd.
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by erivera7 on Jul 13, 2009 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude is smart. Really smart.
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by erivera7 on Jul 13, 2009 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really think SVG is a brilliant coach, and he brings the fire and motivation to push his players more than others.
by derekk on Jul 13, 2009 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
THIS is so true.
Shortest summary of SVG so far,but perhaps the most accurate one.
Rec-worthy
by Dzogi on Jul 14, 2009 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Does this mean Tayshaun Prince is on the table?
I’m kidding…but if the sign and trade possibility is real…that Tayshaun for Gortat deal would be nice. As guess bringing Gortat back is a good thing…as long as he can learn to play with Dwight a little better.
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by KingJafi on Jul 13, 2009 5:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm just pissed though...
…beacuse if they overpay for a guy who played 12 minutes a game; why didnt they just break the bank for Turkoglu during the regular season. A) The Finals high: DeVos didnt want to pay big $ back before we made it to the Finals B) Turk wanted out at all costs and Otis knew it back in November.
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by KingJafi on Jul 13, 2009 5:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm fine with Turkoglu leaving
He wanted to be the guy on a team and still get paid.. If he stayed here he’d would be the 3rd or 4th option now that Jameer has finally (hopefully) put it all together. I’m glad he found everything he was looking for I really am… Now we can destroy him and his team and make him regret leaving :)
by Souwantmyname on Jul 13, 2009 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
completely agree
for the money and duration that turk got, i would not have wanted him back. he was great for our team, and gave us many fond memories, but at 30 he’s just not worth 5x$11mm. always business, never personal. i love what otis has done and couldn’t be more excited about our current roster, esp once barnes or wafer is added.
by pinthatd12 on Jul 13, 2009 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
they made a last minute offer of 45mil I think, can someone cofirm it? Thats abit much alrdy too... Im much happier with VC.
by derekk on Jul 13, 2009 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol they featured my comment on ESPN “the evil empire” again lol.
by derekk on Jul 13, 2009 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gortat isn't getting overpaid, though.
His numbers are comparable to Howard when you take at his defense, his blocking rate, and his rebounding rate. Marcin is signed to a good contract. It’ll just look like much because he’s coming off the bench. As for Turkoglu, he isn’t a 25 year old starting-quality center (a scarcity in the NBA).
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by erivera7 on Jul 13, 2009 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Years
Gortat will be 30 when this contract expires, Hedo will be 35 when his contract expires.
Gortat’s a tradeable assets, VC’s contract will be a tradeable assets, Bass is a tradeable asset. Hedo would not be a tradeable asset.
Whether or not you think we have a better team after this summer or not, there’s no denying we have a deeper, more flexible one.
by eltharion_doa on Jul 14, 2009 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed.
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by erivera7 on Jul 14, 2009 1:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
too many wafer fans on this blog, the guy's good...but come on.
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by KingJafi on Jul 13, 2009 5:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
LOL
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by erivera7 on Jul 13, 2009 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
WOW
I kinda feel bad for Marcin. He’s gotta be crushed. Dallas fans probably feel screwed too…first Bass, now this…
With that being the case. We’re a better team with Gortat than without.
by ggrant on Jul 13, 2009 6:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Rebounding and defense
for 10 minutes a night is all we need. I can’t see us paying 7 mil for a backup C who would hardly play. Could Marcin start w/ Dwight going to the 4, Shard at 3, and Vince and Jameer in the backcourt? Doubt it, but it would be tough to pay Pietrus, Gorat, and Bass 16 million to come off the bench.
I think Ryan Hollins could be Dwight’s backup. 7 footer, athletic, and the same age as Gorat. And I think he would only cost maybe 2 million. He is not as good as Gortat but he could be good enough.
But its not my money so if we keep the Polish Hammer stacked with talent.
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by L Magico on Jul 13, 2009 6:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
*Gortat
"Dwight Howard couldn't score 40 points in a game if he was going against Yi Jianlian's chair." Bill Simmons chat 5/20
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by L Magico on Jul 13, 2009 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I LOVE YOU YOUR SECOND SIG........
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by hwyatt3 on Jul 13, 2009 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
its not my money
if devos wants to pay for our bench to be stacked…let him
Nah' mean, nah'm sayin
by Dr Things on Jul 13, 2009 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, Gortat is going to see more than 10 minutes a night.
I know that he’s going to try to work on his game so that he play alongside Howard more.
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by erivera7 on Jul 13, 2009 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree, and it would make sense to keep Dwights min.s a tad bit lower this season esp. in games well in hand as to show Gortats potential and help Dwights healthy and energy. it might be very little but maybe it helps.
I think Lewis is still starting at 4, but giving him a lil extra rest with Bass/Gortat/Anderson will help Lewis’ energy and health too.
by derekk on Jul 13, 2009 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was thinking the same thing...as far as giving D12 more rest....2 minutes here....2 minutes there
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by hwyatt3 on Jul 13, 2009 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Someone get a Otis Smith translater!!!!
No plans this offseason means BOOM WE GONNA GET V. CARTER BABY
and
Will not match that money for a backup means YES I ACTUALLY WILL lmao
and
No no no, we’re going to spend little and wait for who’s left means IM GOIN TO CATCH A BASS
by derekk on Jul 13, 2009 7:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He's .. shrewd.
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by erivera7 on Jul 13, 2009 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Souwantmyname, what is your problem
Show some class, will you, or at least some semblance of it.
Yay, Roger!
by Marie on Jul 13, 2009 7:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ben and I will take care of the problem.
Sorry about that.
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by erivera7 on Jul 13, 2009 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay okay I'll relax now
I was just tryin to find out if the Mavs fans were pissed about losing out on Gortat. I posted something like I was excited about Gortat being resigned and a Mavs fan basically told me to F off and die. So my taunting with him went back and forth and it escalated further than I wanted.
But on my end I never insulted or threatened him.
I do apologize to you Marie if you were offended by my comments. They were mostly directed to the user that I had some issues with
by Souwantmyname on Jul 13, 2009 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, obviously they'd be pissed
Why bother? Thanks for giving Magic fans a bad name. Take that stuff back to the ESPN boards.
by bandrewg08 on Jul 14, 2009 3:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Like I said, never go to another site and do that. Ever.
That behavior is frowned upon here. If you are an active member of the community, we maintain that you should uphold yourself to the same standards we do here, elsewhere. There’s no excuses.
Some of the members here that do interact elsewhere do so with class and respect. Why? Because in a way, they’re a representation of the site. I think people need to take that into account.
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by erivera7 on Jul 14, 2009 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
just wanted to let you know you're a jerk
and I hope you get slowly trampled to death by a group of clowns.
You better be worth it, Vince.
by TheGiantSquid on Jul 17, 2009 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great...or is it?
While its great to see him back, considering how much he wanted to go for more playing time, how motivated will he be? I know it seems like a silly question but I think it bares notice. And look, with Bass in the lineup, he may see a cut in pt even more.
So I’m happy to see him back at the same time, I wonder for him.
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by Wasabi Steak on Jul 13, 2009 7:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think Gortat will remain motivated.
The times that I’ve spoken with him, he’s always talking about improving his game, staying humble, etc.
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by erivera7 on Jul 13, 2009 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He still has the same payday.......plus....
You are right E. He really wants to be a great player, something else that is coveted in the NBA these day. Come mid-season I’m sure he will be truly happy that he is here rather than there.
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by hwyatt3 on Jul 13, 2009 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We've had a few new members around here the past few weeks.
I suggest reading the Community Guidelines. Thanks.
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by erivera7 on Jul 13, 2009 8:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Theres some understandable rage over at the Mav's Blog.
But I’m really wondering if Mav’s Management didnt see it coming, there HAS to have been some sort of breakdown going on if most people we’re thinking that was a done deal. Brandon is already signed, correct? Otis totally spun his web, so to speak. I totally thought Gortat was a goner.
Does Management of different Teams talk that much? What happened here?
by Kennedy K on Jul 13, 2009 8:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Brandon is signed, yes.
I can’t comment on the discussion between either franchise. I don’t know the answers, unfortunately.
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by erivera7 on Jul 13, 2009 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
NOOOOO we can't afford this, I'm sure I'm the only one against this... LOL oh well!
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by DieSlowKeyshawn on Jul 13, 2009 8:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hey its not my money go for it
its not like a Grant Hill contract either that can’t be easily traded
by Souwantmyname on Jul 13, 2009 8:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
dammit!
why do all these crazy things happen when I’m in class?? >:(
You better be worth it, Vince.
by TheGiantSquid on Jul 13, 2009 9:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow!
Dwight, Rashard, Ryan, Bass, and now Gortat.
That’s a playoff/championship caliber front court if I ever saw one. Expensive, but you gotta pay to win. Kudos to Smith and the Magic front office for making the right, smart moves.
by thermodynamic on Jul 13, 2009 11:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Word.
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by erivera7 on Jul 14, 2009 1:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Options
Carter, Bass, Gortat, and a trade exception. Brilliant Otis, absolutely brilliant! An awesome team and options galore! Nice work and kudos to the DeVos family for stepping up.
by majikfan on Jul 14, 2009 7:40 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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