Orlando Magic News for July 12th: Recapping The Orlando Pro Summer League, and More

by erivera7 on Jul 12, 2009 1:57 PM EDT in News

Orlando Summer League: Notes on Hansbrough and more
John Denton writes a special to ESPN.com, recapping the 2009 Orlando Pro Summer League that concluded two days ago.
Here is a quick reference to Third Quarter Collapse's coverage of the Summer League during the week - Day 1/game recap, Day 2/game recap, Day 3/game recap, Day 4/game recap, Day 5/game recap. Enjoy, everyone.
Raptors Want to Be Magic of North
Matt Steinmetz of NBA FanHouse states how the Toronto Raptors, with the addition of Hedo Turkoglu, strive to be like the Orlando Magic.

Raptors coach Jay Triano already has thought a lot about how his team is going to play in 2009-10. He pretty much wants the Raptors to be the Orlando Magic of the North.

Triano has three versatile big men at his disposal – Chris Bosh, Andrea Bargnani and Hedo Turkoglu – and he plans to employ the same kind of system that was successful for the Magic this past season.

"Hedo is so good at handling the ball, and we're not afraid of letting our forwards do that," Triano said. "Bargnani stretches the defense with his ability to shoot and Bosh is good inside or facing up or rolling to the basket. I would think we'll do things similar to what Orlando did.
Tomorrow, the Magic will hold a media availability session for newly-acquired Brandon Bass. Ben Q. Rock and I will be there to cover the proceedings.
For Lee, Harris is the Model
UPDATE: Nets Daily writes an excellent article on Courtney Lee.

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good point about the raps, eddie. they’ll be fun to watch next year, and will create matchup problems like the magic have in the past. they’re a little soft and weak on D and the boards (our system was built around D12, and theirs isn’t!), but that’s going to be a dangerous, explosive squad with Bargnani, Bosh, Turk, [Jack] and El Calderon.

by pinthatd12 on Jul 12, 2009 2:07 PM EDT reply actions

Pick and Roll = deadly

I think their pick and roll can be a lot deadlier with Bosh and Turkoglu than Howard and Turk. Bosh can step back and hit the jumper and post up. Might cause some switching defensively. But Turkoglu is still dangerous off the dribble. Will be interesting to see how it works. But as Ben says below me, replicating the defense is going to be Jay Triano’s biggest challenge.

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by philrsquared on Jul 12, 2009 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions

I agree.

Bosh and Turk pick and roll will be solid.

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by Wmillion on Jul 12, 2009 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions

Agreed.

The 3/4 pick & roll with Turkoglu/Bosh should be potent, especially with Chris’ range on offense.

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by erivera7 on Jul 12, 2009 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions

Good luck replicating the Magic's defensive success with Bargnani, Bosh, and Calderon in your starting lineup.

As opposed to Lewis, Howard, and Nelson/Alston.

That team’s going to be a lot like Washington this year, maybe not in terms of style, but in terms of strengths/weaknesses. Good news: offense! Bad news: defense. Lots of 125-118 losses this year for both teams, to paraphrase Kelly Dwyer.

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by Evan Dunlap on Jul 12, 2009 2:09 PM EDT reply actions

This reminds me of 2 years ago

I watched the Raptors training camp on NBA TV a couple years ago and Sam Mitchell was trying trying to be the “Phoenix Suns of the north”. That plan faded really really quick.

They seem to have some similar pieces to the Magic, but not quite. Other than Hedo, they are all a “poor man’s” version of what the Magic are. Calderon is no Nelson, DeMar DeRozan is no Lee, Hedo is Hedo, Bargnani is no Lewis, and Bosh is no Howard.

They won’t have anywhere near the defensive ability of the 09 Magic, and the same is true, but to a lesser extent, of their offense.

Now I just realized thermodynamic posted something similar to what I just wrote. Dang!

by Jwoey on Jul 12, 2009 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions

First the Raptors want to be Phoenix Suns North

And now they want to be Orlando Magic North.

The first didn’t work, and I doubt the second does. Although I’ve heard Bargz is a rapidly improving defensive player, Bosh is not Dwight. They have Hedo, but Calderon is an abysmal defender.

by thermodynamic on Jul 12, 2009 2:11 PM EDT reply actions

It can work, offensively.

The Raptors have some talented players on offense, but not on defense.

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by erivera7 on Jul 12, 2009 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions

like i said recently...

Turk will be in familiar hands with their forwards. Bosh is very similar to Lewis.

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by hevchv on Jul 12, 2009 2:57 PM EDT via mobile reply actions

Chris Bosh to Lewis?

I don’t see it..

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by Wmillion on Jul 12, 2009 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions

Bargnani to Lewis is closer than Bosh to Lewis

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by Evan Dunlap on Jul 12, 2009 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions

Agreed.

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by erivera7 on Jul 12, 2009 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions

Yea, Raptors are going to grab Seed No4-5 this year I bet.

If they hustle on D and try their best, theyll make a breakout round2playoff appearrance atleast. Turk is Turk, Bargs is Lewis, and Bosh is Dwight in the same schemes and PRs Magic did. The heights are there or even bigger, but itll still be alittle different because Bosh is not all low post and the guards will need to take more 3’s than they may even want to. But that 3 way offense threat could be ridiculously good, better than Orlando’s if it works. On defense, its not going to be pretty, no one is Dwight in terms of defense. And Bargs is not even as much a defender as Lewis, much less if he’s going to guard alot of centers again. Turk may have to guard some quicker guys, but he;ll be fine. If Dwight has some problems defending good teams down low, its going to be much worse for TOR. But I expect this offseason move to meet the expectations the last one was meant to.

by derekk on Jul 12, 2009 3:10 PM EDT reply actions

Offensively, Toronto should be good.

I’m skeptical about them, defensively.

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by erivera7 on Jul 12, 2009 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions

New to Third Quarter Collapse

Hello from New York

I am now officially a Magic fan (although I was pulling for them against the Lakers because I liked their style of play). Don’t bemoan the loss of C Lee. Ryan Anderson was taken ahead of Lee in the draft for a reason. He gives you more. The reason the Net’s got rid of Anderson was that RA was embarassing Nets management by outplaying their chosen boy, Yi. Anderson would come into the game after Yi had been booed off of the court and show hustle and talent, two facets missing from Yi’s game. Had you traded Lee for Anderson one-to-one, you would not have gotten a bad deal.

by Formernetfan on Jul 12, 2009 3:40 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs

Welcome to the club

There’s only one requirement here: You refer to AJ Johnson as Dad.

by Jwoey on Jul 12, 2009 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions

Welcome! Good to hear RA is good. He looked incredible in Summer League

by derekk on Jul 12, 2009 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions

Rec'd

Welcome present, I suppose.

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by Evan Dunlap on Jul 12, 2009 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions

Welcome.

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by erivera7 on Jul 12, 2009 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions

Well it's going to be tough to duplicate Orlando

with out the presence of a true big man. Bragniani and Bosh are both good players, but neither is as commanding in the post as Howard. That’s THE reason that Orlando’s offense works…Howard commanding double teams in the post to leave his teammates with open shots.

Toronto should be fun to watch, but without much on D or in the Post, it’s hard to see them as more than a 45 win team.

by Lee for three on Jul 12, 2009 9:21 PM EDT reply actions

+1

You nailed it my friend. Who’s gonna post up for them. Both Bosh and Bargnani are better facing the basket. Bosh has some post skills but he cant back down the bigger PF’s and centers in the league. Haha its funny how teams just think they can be like the Magic.

I can’t wait till Hedo realizes he had alot more space to operate when he was in Orlando

by Souwantmyname on Jul 12, 2009 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions

Personally

I think Bosh’s post game is better then Dwight’s.. Dwight is more physical gifted. If Dwight had Bosh’s moves and touch he would avg 30 and 15 with ease. Dwight far in away is the better defender though.

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by Wmillion on Jul 13, 2009 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions

Yeah, that's about right.

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by erivera7 on Jul 13, 2009 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions

Currently, Bosh's post game is definitely more polished than Dwight's

Dwight needs to learn more finesse, and pick up enough of a jump shot (10-footer or so) to make him a legitimate threat outside the paint. So far, he’s been able to get by on size, strength, and foot speed, but he’ll need to learn more in order to handle KP and the (few) other centers that can handle his strength.

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by The Dark on Jul 13, 2009 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions