[Von] Wafer's agent, Mitch Butler, told me he has had some preliminary discussions with the Magic about Wafer. He said they've targeted Orlando as a place where Wafer can "thrive and continue to grow as a basketball player."
Wafer is young, he'll be 24 on July 21, and has been in the league four years after coming out of Florida State. He averaged 9.7 points per game in 19.4 minutes per game last season with the Houston Rockets. During the playoffs he averaged 8.2 points in 13.9 minutes a game.
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The guy's a hell of a scorer
I don’t know much about his personality issues, but I’m not afraid to risk signing a scorer of his talent because of personality issues. If he starts with the lip you can just sit him on the end of the bench and cut him later. He’s no star so he can’t cause too big a rift.
nice
Barnes or Wafer
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by Wmillion on Jul 11, 2009 10:53 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
i’ve watched him all season.
he’s can score and slash well, but that’s all. everything else [defense, passing, IQ] are less than satisfactory. he’s not worth more than a 2 million dollar contract
13 points in 39 seconds. Enough said.
they literally dont have 2mil in terms of outright signing.. they have vet mins, 1.8 w/MLE leftovers, and then trading/TPE
That would be enough for Wafer, I would think.
Whatever is left of the MLE, I mean.
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I don't dislike Wafer
I’d just rather see us sign a SF to back up Pietrus w/our remaning money.
Lewis and Carter can back up Pietrus
Wafer gives us a better option at the 2 than JJ
by Souwantmyname on Jul 11, 2009 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions
lewis and carter backing up pietrus.
I hope you are kidding.
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by hevchv on Jul 11, 2009 11:22 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
They'll move over at SF while Anderson/Bass plays the PF or Redick/Wafer plays the 2
think outside the box my friend
by Souwantmyname on Jul 11, 2009 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow your obviously too smart for me
I mean subbing out Pietrus for Ryan Anderson and moving Lewis at the 3 would NEVER work. It is clearly listed on the depth chart that Lewis is PF a PF so he cannot play the 3 EVER.
Seriously guys start thinking a little bit before you try and belittle somebody else
by Souwantmyname on Jul 12, 2009 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah it can be done
i just dont think it’s a good option. to belittle anyone was not my intention, my apologies
Nah' mean, nah'm sayin
belittle you?
Don’t start crying. I just thought it was a misprint. Your opinions are YOUR opinions.
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by hevchv on Jul 12, 2009 8:24 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Lewis will play mostly PF.
From our own erivera7’s interview with Otis..Is Rashard Lewis playing the 3 something Stan [Van Gundy] wants to see more of during the season?
“It’s his natural position. We just play him at the 4 and use it as an advantage and we will still do that so it’s not like the guy is going away because he’s not. He’s still an effective force. We just get the ability to play both players when we have to.”
by O-Town MagiCane on Jul 12, 2009 8:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Stud? I'd like to see him do it again.
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He will with the Magic!
then you’ll be eating your words or would it be your eyes
by Souwantmyname on Jul 12, 2009 1:36 AM EDT up reply actions
To me he's a scorer and that's it.
Not much of a defender or passer. He’s athletic yes, but is not long or strong.
Statistically, he's an average defender at the 2.
.. I’m sure that can improve with Dwight Howard’s presence and Stan Van Gundy’s handling.
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defensive stats are very unreliable
Especiall when looking at Wafer who played on the Rockets. The rockets had by far the best perimeter defense in the league with Artest and Battier, and their interior defense was also pretty good. I think Wafer’s numbers on defense are tainted a bit my the all around great team defense of the Rockets. But then again, i have a huge pet peeve with looking at stats in order to quantify an player in basketball.
From what i’ve seen his offense is very very very good, but he is lacking in all other parts of his game. I think he would be a JR smith from Denver if he could just learn to pass/defend, and get more playing time in order to refine his basketball IQ/instincts. Although his personality would need to change as well —he strikes me as one of those immature kids who thinks that greatness is all about scoring. Bynum also has a bit of this personality flaw, noted by taking 11 shots in the first QUARTER of game 5 in the finals, lol. I can’t tell you how much that pissed off lakers fans, lol.
Advanced defensive statistics are a work in progress ..
.. but when looking at a number of them in an isolated setting, they can provide a decent picture as to how good or bad a player is defensively. If that’s not your cup of tea, then te salud.
That’s something this site, and more and more NBA franchises, value.
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by Diosnomeama on Jul 12, 2009 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Matt Barnes > Von Wafer
Even though Von Wafer is a cool name.
The JJ Redick Experiment
is officially over if Von Wafer signs. He’s better than JJ — i.e. he is a shooter who can actually shoot. Wafer’s no superstar, but he’s a solid bench/role player.
Another SF would be fine too, but we don’t need one. We already have 3 capable SFs (Rashard, MP and VC). I still think it’s the right move to start Lewis at the 3 (and bass at the 4)… and would be shocked if SVG doesn’t agree.
The experiment wouldn't be over.
Redick would still see minutes .. as he should.
By the way, be shocked then because all indications point to Rashard sticking at the 4.
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I would love to see that ACC rivalry heat up between Wafer and Redick
fighting over the backup 2 guard spot would hopefully make both players better
by Souwantmyname on Jul 12, 2009 1:40 AM EDT up reply actions
E -- wish i could bet you a beer...
on where lewis starts. you’re essentially saying that pietrus will start over bass. look, i fully acknowledge that you may be right (no one can intelligently make a definitive statement on this), but i just don’t see it. as i’m sure you know, when stan was asked whether he would start bass at the 4 and lewis at the 3, he said “it certainly could happen.” otis rightly calls the 3 lewis’ “natural position.” we shall see, compadre.
bottom line: it’s nice that we have a flexible, talented roster with options!!! i’d still like to see us add one more talented veteran piece — ideally a combo guard (in the dooling mold) who could play the 1 or the 2.
I agree, Pietrus will not be starting on this team.
He’s most beneficial off the bench, providing a spark that we saw all playoffs against the opponent’s primarily “second” team.
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by DieSlowKeyshawn on Jul 12, 2009 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn't disagree at all.
.. and to be honest, that’s what I would prefer too.
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I'm not saying that.
.. you can assume that’s what I meant, but it’s not.
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well, it's also based on the
5 or 6 other times that i have said lewis will start at the 3 and you have strongly disagreed. if i remember correctly, you’ve even called arguments that lewis will start at the 3 “lazy”
They are lazy, but I never attributed that comment to you.
I was speaking more to the national public who cries that argument, profusely.
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regarding jj, we just flat-out disagree
i appreciate how hard he has worked to make himself an nba player, but this is a guy with a 9.8 PER, who Ben Q rightly (and maybe a little generously) gave a “C” for last season. unless jj suddenly (and magically) finds his mojo, we need a better backup 2-guard. jj seems like a nice dude, it’s fun to clap when he comes in the game, and i root hard for him when he plays (and get very annoyed when our own fans taunt him) but let’s be honest… to this point, he has stunk. with a capital UNK.
Just so so so so so so
blatantly false.
JJ is a shooter. Shooter’s need rhythm. Don’t believe me? Look at Eddie House in the playoffs last year.
What we know as fact:
JJ’s defense has gotten better due to strength training and getting SVG’s system down pat.
When given time to play, and not looking over his shoulder he produces solidly.
The Kid ALWAYS had to look over his shoulder. If we allow him to be the first SG off the bench (not player, SG) he should, considering the circumstances, produce efficiently.
He shut up (unlike Rafer, and unlike Dad near the end) and played when he was given the chances, and shut up and sat and cheered the team on when not given those chances.
What would adding someone who YOU think is better than JJ because of his freaking playoff performance (Big Baby anyone?, James Posey?), and has very publicly lashed at his coach and bitched and moaned and got sent to the freaking locker room during a playoff game. I don’t want a player like that on our team.
JJ has shown a commitment to a) mastering SVG’s system, and b) committing to the defensive end of the floor. Lay off. We have bigger needs.
by fwedo on Jul 12, 2009 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
"blatantly false" is ridiculous
It’s fine to disagree, but you undermine yourself when you do it emotionally and overly aggressively. the basis of my argument is JJ’s 9.8 PER and BQR’s thoughtful “C” grade. Are either of those “blatantly false”? Of course not. Of course reasonable Magic minds may differ about JJ — they always have.
I acknowledge that he’s worked hard, I acknowledge that he is a good character guy. I’d prefer, however, to have someone who is more talented — i.e. not a “designated shooter” who shoots 38% or a guard who looks like a deer in the headlights anytime he puts the rock on the floor. I want a guy who understands his role when he comes in, who will give us a modest ~12-13 PER, and who BQR can feel good about giving a solid “B” at this time next year.
I don’t dislike JJ — I just don’t think he’s very good. He’s had 3 years to make his case for minutes and he hasn’t really done it. I no longer care to make excuses for him. Feel free to continue to disagree, but you’ll only help yourself if you’re able to do so with greater decorum and equanimity.
There's more to Redick than just his PER.
.. to use that as the basis of your argument is a bit presumptuous.
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i agree, there IS more.. his overall "C" grade from BQR, his
38% shooting percentage, the fact that he is the shortest guy in the league who is terrified to dribble, the fact that when he comes in the game other teams usually immediately iso his man, the fact that SVG felt so good about him that he played him all of 10 minutes in a 6-game playoff series against the cavs. anyway, have your last word(s) and let’s be done with this thread — it’s a 3-year conversation i’m pretty tired of at this point. there’s more interesting stuff to discuss.
LOL .. it's fine.
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You completely ignored all of the reasonable
examples of players in the playoffs who have done something then just came crashing down to earth the next year.
Also ignored how he has never been the only back-up 2. Players need confidence. STILL don’t believe me? What has Anderson been referring to as the key to his game all off-season. Okay then.
The lack of “decorum and equanimity” that you find me to have is something much larger than just your argument but rather how you represent all of the fans who really did not watch the games, did not extensively look at rotations and who we played against. I’m not even saying that is you. I’m saying that’s how you’ve acted since joining the community.
i disagree with both the substance
and the tactics (i.e. someone who legitimately disagrees with you must not have watched the games… beautiful) of your arguments on this point. but as i said, g-money, i’m done talking about jj.
Considering I'm not the only one annoyed with your haughty approach,
I suggest you lay off libeling the regulars.
Enough.
Just drop it, please. Thanks.
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ever year JJ sucks, but he increases PT, and last yr it was sgnificant, as he was one of the best passers and a decent enuff defender finally. all he has to do is hit shots again, and every1 here eats crow after.
Well, Redick is going to get the PT.
I’m confident, given the anomalistic nature of his two-point shooting, that he’ll bounce back.
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JJ is far more reliable as a shooter
wafer is a good slasher though. he does make a LOT of stupid decisions and tends to try to go one on one WAYYYYY too much. there were times when he hurt the rockets’ offense [or lack thereof] doing so.
i do think that D12 would keep this guy from getting to penisy [cocky] though. a huge headcase.
i’m a rockets fan. i watched this guy a ton during the past season, and he is great off the bench. there are times when he can be double-edged though. if you guys here can take the bad with the good [seeing how the main players in the ORL rotation are very likeable], by all means, go for it.
13 points in 39 seconds. Enough said.
Yes you don't but if we can snag a guy like Wafer who already is a solid role player
and can possibly turn into a starter (idk maybe in 2 years when VC contract runs out) It would be wise to go with the young guy especially if they want the same amount of $
by Souwantmyname on Jul 12, 2009 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Barnes or Wafer would be decent options, either way.
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This is what Kevin Pelton had to say about Wafer, who he had listed first among "specialists".
The dream of everyone on this list is to be referred to as a poor man’s version of a quality player—including, for some of them, Gordon. Von Wafer is an undersized one-dimensional scorer in the Gordon mold, though he is neither as effective at creating shots nor as efficient as hitting them as Gordon is. He also faces the challenge of proving that his season in Houston was not a fluke.
When building a team and rounding out a roster, it’s always good to find specialists, bar minimum.
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GREAT.
We had Rafer, didnt like him….now to be safer, we go after WAFER? lol.
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I like what Orlando is doing..
I was inpatient at 1st, but we appear to be headed in the right direction.
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explain.
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I wanted..
Dice and Sheed, but Bass is a good fit.. Young, strong, and Improving..
I like Wafer and Barnes it appears we are going to sign one of the two.. Barnes is a good fit because he can play the 2/3, shoot a decent 3 point , and he is above avg defender. Wafer is a good fit because he is a solid defender, shoots above 40 from the 3 point line, aggressive, and young. The biggest plus is the price tag, neither player is going to break the bank.
I always liked the VC move. Giving Hedo 11 million a season doesn’t make sense to me. He is a good player, but not worth 11 million for 5 seasons. I like the fact we were proactive and found a replacement who is either equal or to me an upgrade. I also like the fact we got Ryan Anderson in that trade, nothing like a 6’10" guy who shoot 3’s.. Hopefully he has a little Robert Horry in him.
Our starting 5 got better (4 legit all-stars)and our bench got better.. Our bench will/could be Bass, Anderson, Wafer or Barnes that is solid 6-8 rotation.. Probably the best in the East..
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Why I don't think Wafer is coming
The quote says Wafer and his agent targeted the Magic, meaning they called Orlando, not the other way around. It’s like they’re doing the pitching—“Von averaged 8 points in only 13 minutes!”—not the Magic.
Maybe Orlando’s interested. But you’ve got to think Otis is still more sold on the guys he contacted first (such as Barnes) than in guys who reached out to him (such as Wafer).
With that said, Wafer could be an alright pickup for Orlando. Yes, he’s a scoring specialist, but there’s nothing wrong with that. He can create his own shot (23.6% usage rate, higher than any Magic rotation player last year except Dwight), yet he doesn’t turn the ball over (9.5%, just slightly more often than Bogans’ 9.3%, and Bogans hardly did anything with the ball). You like guys who can handle the ball frequently without making mistakes.
In other words, this isn’t Rashad McCants we’re talking about here, a guy who ends possessions willy-nilly. The impression those stats give me is that Wafer’s going to look for his shot, but if he can’t find it, he’ll pass it back out to re-set the offense. That’d explain why his assists are a bit low (10.3%, equal to J.J., better than Courtney).
But this is all based on a quick glance at his stats. I didn’t watch much of the Rockets this year, so I don’t have much to go on regarding Wafer.
Nice post
it gives us a glance at what kind of player we may be getting. I especially like it that he doesn’t get many assist but he doesn’t turn the ball over. I’m almost positive that JJ Redick averages a turnover a game. His ball handling in the words of Barkley are TURRIBLE
by Souwantmyname on Jul 12, 2009 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
0.84 turnovers per game
11.6 percent of his possessions end in a turnover. Next closest player? Anthony Johnson, at 11.7%. Rafer was at 9.6%, Jameer at 9.4%, so JJ wasn’t as good a ballhandler as our starting PGs, but about equal to our backup PG.
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From what I could glean from the playoffs
Wafer has a good shot, from midrange and 3pt. He can drive, finish adequately, and does have a runner.
Really, he does have a nice offensive package.
But any passing he does is just on the perimeter, to swing the ball around for Adelman’s offense. I’ve never seen him pass off a drive, and once he’s locked in to the basket, the ball’s not leaving his hands.
Also he didn’t look like much of a defender to me. Besides being slightly undersized (which is ok), he’s quite skinny, and his arms aren’t that long.
I really liked him in Houston because he was an offensive player on a team who had none (esp. after Yao was out).
But here in Orlando, we have offense coming from everywhere. I think bringing in someone who can knock down the corner 3, run the break, make smart decisions, and play above average defense is more important. That’s why I like Barnes.
by thermodynamic on Jul 12, 2009 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Barnes can do all those things you stated, but his defense isn't above-average.
It’s average at best, and I’m being a little generous with that statement.
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I'm thinking of 2007 playoffs Barnes.
And hoping he can replicate that success.
I agree he hasn’t been very good the past 2 seasons, in the right system I think he’s a good cog.
by thermodynamic on Jul 12, 2009 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
agreed, d-rak
i like barnes better as a player — he is more versatile, is a vetaran and has a real edge to him on the court (which we continue to need). in terms of team needs, i’d ideally like a combo guard who could play the 1 or the 2, but i’m not sure there is much of that out there. jarrett jack would’ve been nice, but he was too expensive. bobby jackson (another tough vet) could work. barnes and bobby j would be a nice way to finish the roster
The only combo guard that I could think of would be nate robinson
and i wouldn’t want him for more than 3 million a year. Let’s face it nate robinson is a shot crazy jameer nelson
by Souwantmyname on Jul 12, 2009 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Nate Robinson would be a terrible fit, here.
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Because Wafer isn't extremely undersized and a bad defender.
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Im sure its not a big difference if any, Nat uses his quckness and leaping ability to bea decent defender, not that his advanced stats might prove me right but I would like to see them. Its knd of clear to me too, are most injury prone starter is Jameer Nelson and Nate is more than OK as a replacement, while also pretty much never threatening to a starting job.
What is it about his defense that makes him so and so and so bad to come off the bench? I mean, he’s one of the best backup PGs in the league to alot of people. And he’ll give more assists than Wafer. I don’t dislike Wafer, he could be a great offensive player esp. under VC and the team/coaches supporting him, but right now Nate is better, as young, and could be had. Is there a huge difference between AJ’s defence and Nates? Because thats a stats comparison that is only relevant. I knw offense doesnt offset defence, but take that into considerations atleast 5% if its not too much. I just dont understand the hatred for a player who plays SO hard every night, the bench sparkplug for ANY team.
"Is there a huge difference between AJ’s defence and Nates? "
Yes. A.J. tries. Robinson doesn’t even pretend to.
The reason people regard Nate as one of the league’s best backup PGs is that he can score. And it’s true, he scores like hell. But that’s his only skill. He’s not a playmaker, rebounder, or defender. He’ll command more money than the Magic can reasonably offer him.
There’s also the issue of his abrasive, arrogant personality, and how it might affect the Magic’s locker room. I’m not saying he’s a “cancer” (bogus, over-used term, btw), but that he’s just a poor fit.
Who's to say he's a poor fit when you acquire a Rafer Alston, Vince Carter with thier histories while this kid has no poblem being a backup PG always and doesnt have to be sent to the lockerroom during playoff. I dont think you're giving him a fair shake.
I mean on age and athleticism alone, AJ is old and having Nate would be better on D against fast guards and not be done plying after 15-20 min.s. Eveytime theres a questionable player being discussed for Magic, we say , well SVG/Magic will get him to focus. Will we have to wait until a “what-if” scenario Magic actually acquire him, and then say, well he will try hard on D now. B/c I know SVG wont play him if he’s not playing hard on D. He solves the backup problem for the most injury proe Magic starter. Jameer is my favorite player, but if he misses important playoff time again, even I will admit he’s too injury prone. Nate is prolly a better defender than Wafer too if thats another relevant comparison.
Wafer is a better defender than Robinson.
Rafer Alston played with Stan Van Gundy before in Miami, so there’s familiarity there. As for Vince Carter, he’s become a leader & a widely respected teammate. I wouldn’t call Jameer Nelson injury-prone, not yet at least.
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Nate is talented
Just not sure about Nate the teammate. He is the same guy that tried to fight his teammate in the shower over a bet..
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Bobby Jackson would be a terrible fit, too.
.. as I’ve already said, the Magic are better off with Russell Robinson in that case.
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That's probably what will happen.
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Hope not
Not completely sold on Barnes. My current enrollment at FSU might have something to do with it though :)
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by Wally Balls 407 on Jul 12, 2009 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
This kid has got crazy upside
He’s no Courtney Lee but he could be a worthy piece coming off the bench with aim to eventually start him.
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With the proper development, maybe.
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I love von wafer
And how could you not with the Von in his name? Reminds me of Ludwig Von Mises or Von Hayek, two of the all time greatest economists. Of course they were Austrian, so I have no idea where Wafer gets the Von from in his name.
Nevertheless, I love this guys scoring. Although he always does his best scoring against my lakers so i may have a bit of a bias for his talent. Of course he can turn into a black hole on offense —where when the ball gets into his hand it is going no where else but a von wafer shot at the basket. This is his main problem in my eyes. JVG made a really funny comment when the rockets were playing the lakers, he said: “i don’t know what will happen when wafer gets the ball, but i do know what WON’T happen and that’s a pass.” I love JVG, although he undoubtedly showed an insane bias towards the magic during the finals. When Jameer allowed Fisher to get a wide open three at the end of game 4, he about lost it!
Anyway, if you guys get wafer it is a great pickup. He has a tremendous offensive talent, albeit his defense and the rest of his game is not up to par. Perhaps SVG can get him to concentrate on D.
JJ Redick
Can someone explain to me why it seems that everyone on this board absolutely HATES JJ redick? From what I’ve seen of him in the finals, he looks like a very capable role player. He is a hard worker, can shoot the 3pt, looks to have a high basketball IQ, and is an irritant on defense.
I actually like the guy as a 7th-8th player in the rotation, but it seems that all magic fans simply hate the kid.
i like him too
Why don’t we set up a trade where you guys get Sasha Vujacic from the lakers, the lakers get JJ Redick? No? I didn’t think so. The lakers couldn’t give away Sasha, lol.
I would rather have JJ..
Sasha “Mr. 730”-No thanks..
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I'm just frustrated with JJ
He’s had his chance to take over the backup SG position the last 2 years and he hasn’t done it. Other than his defense has he improved since he got in the league? I’d say no he hasn’t
JJ is and always will be a great 3rd shooting guard option. He should only play in case of injury, great matchups on both ends and at the end of games when teams have to foul since he is a great FT shooter. But to give him regular minutes is probably a mistake
by Souwantmyname on Jul 12, 2009 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I just don't know how we can say that
since he hadn’t had the chance to get those regular minutes.
I discussed a little further up why I feel as I do, I think there are some valid points.
I like him, too.
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He is a hard worker
But he can’t shoot the 3 in a real game situation. He’s one of those players that looks great in practice – but then he feels such a pressure to perform in a game that he misses wide open shots that he’d knock down 75% of the time in practice. In the playoffs, every time he shot the ball I would just cover my eyes, knowing the ball probably wasn’t going to go in and probably would be a long rebound leading to a fast break for the other team.
He does have a high basketball IQ. The problem is that often he can’t follow through. He KNOWS who to pass the ball to, but then doesn’t have the actual skills necessary to thread the needle, and it becomes a turnover instead. He KNOWS it’s a perfect time to drive to the basket, but then he remembers he’s terrible off the dribble and voila – another turnover. He KNOWS he should take the open 3 on the catch and shoot, but then he crumbles under the pressure and bricks the shot. He KNOWS what he’s supposed to do on defense, but then he isn’t fast or long enough to execute and…well, you know the rest.
He seems like a nice guy, and I’d like to have a beer with him, and thank god he’s better than Adam Morrison, but he’s simply not a guy a coach or a fan can count on to perform in the clutch. Or the rest of the game, really.
by MoveThoseChains on Jul 12, 2009 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Oh, and this is my first post, so hi guys. Fwedo, I'm ready for your best shot.
by MoveThoseChains on Jul 12, 2009 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions
hahahahaaa
I’ve only seen one other person on here hate him as much as I do, and I haven’t been active lately, so I dunno where the hell you’re getting that info from.
You better be worth it, Vince.
by TheGiantSquid on Jul 12, 2009 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Your hatred and loathing are just that famous
More seriously, though, I think pretty much everyone will comment when JJ does something stupid or awkward, or even just misses a shot. If we criticized Rafer for missing shots like we do JJ, we’d have had some REALLY long game threads.
"When you make your final stand
I'll be right there
I'll never leave
And all I ask of you is
Believe"
Just got the taste of a bad Cookie out of my mouth,dont know if im ready for a Wafer.rather have Bogans,Barnes,Moon, Barnes makes a ton of sense.
I love JJ.
I think he’s really improved his game. I also think he feels the need to defer and pass because he thinks that will get him more PT when he just needs to relax and take the game as it comes to him. I saw a few plays where he made a move to the basket, had a wide open shot and forced it to Dwight for the turnover. A confident JJ would have just finished at the rim. It will come to him.
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