Orlando Magic Sign Brandon Bass; Matt Barnes, Theo Ratliff Potentially Next
by Evan Dunlap on Jul 10, 2009 1:31 PM EDT
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PrintAs first reported by NBA.com's David Aldridge, the Orlando Magic have signed free-agent power forward/center Brandon Bass, formerly of the Dallas Mavericks. The deal is worth $18 million over 4 years.
Additionally, a well-connected source informs me that swingman Matt Barnes and center Theo Ratliff are the Magic's next targets. The source said the Magic assured Barnes that they wanted to get Bass first, before turning their full attention to him.
The 6'08", 240-pound Bass, 23, is a four-year veteran, spending the first two years of his career with New Orleans before moving on to Dallas. He may get an opportunity to start at power forward for the Magic, despite having played more than two-thirds of his minutes at center last season.
Bass has career averages of 6.9 points and 3.9 rebounds in 17.0 minutes per game, shooting 48.5% from the field, with a Player Efficiency Rating of 15.2.
More analysis at 3QC later today and during the weekend.
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Don't love the move, but..
I think Stan can make it work somehow. I really was hoping for Anderson to get the bulk of the minutes, but Bass gives the team a nice change of pace to throw out there.
Theo is probably one of the best affordable C’s left so I’d be happy with him.
There is a reason
why you play for 7 teams in 8 season coughBarnescough. Just Roster fillers, but I suppose that’s all we can make a play at for now.
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I too don't love the signing.
But if we can get Barnes and Ratliff, our roster is looking great.
Does anyone know if Anderson can play SF or C? Also, against bigger teams, are we gonna see Nelson, Carter, Lewis, Bass, Howard? That could be a pretty good lineup, with a bench of AJ, JJ, Pietrus, Anderson, Ratliff looking pretts solid as well.
Anderson isn't atheletic enough to play the 3 (which is not to say he isn't athletic, period, but just not enough for the positions)
Anderson’s a 4, and an emergency 5.
No, Bass is a 4, and a competent 5.
People get so caught up with height. Remember that Ben Wallace is only 6’9", and he did quite fine for a while. Bass has a 7’2" wingspan as well.
Bass plays 4 and 5.
.. he doesn’t play the 3. Like I’ve said a few times, height is overrated sometimes.
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If Bass is truly a guy who can play 5
This is a GREAT signing.
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No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
That was my only concern at any stretch
That he was a guy who could only play 4. But I haven’t seen enough of him either. Hopefully you’re correct.
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No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Food for thought indeed
But that only means something if substantial min’s were played there. Consider me skeptical until I see it.
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actually judging on his time last year
Bass is a 5 and a competent 4. Lol we could do this all day.
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by DieSlowKeyshawn on Jul 10, 2009 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
lol, crazy for you... mavs get gortat, magic get bass
you’re gonna be confused next season!
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by DieSlowKeyshawn on Jul 10, 2009 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm telling you, it's been a weird offseason for me :)
Like I’m happy and sad at the same time with these changes. Not saying this just because I’m a fan of both teams, but I think Gortat will fit in well with Dallas and Bass will fit in well in Orlando.
Yay, Roger!
It's a good fit for both teams.
.. the only problem is playing time for Bass, but I know SVG will figure it out.
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I was thinking that too
I figured he wouldn’t be a starter here, but was wondering how much playing time he’ll get. I remember first seeing him in the Vegas summer league a couple of years ago, not at all knowing that he’d been stuck on the NO bench previously. He really impressed me and hopefully he’ll win people over here as well.
Yay, Roger!
I think people will like the type of player Bass is.
.. I don’t think he’ll start, he may, but whatever the case may be, Orlando got a nice deal out of him – 4 years/$18 million is a reasonable contract for Brandon.
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He has a higher PER
while playing the 5, than playing the 4.
I’m not sayin’ but I’m just sayin’.
The kid can obviously hang.
From seeing him at Summer League,
how does his frame look? Does he seem like someone who could put on 20 lbs or so?
If he got his weight up to 260, he could be a nice swingman between the 4 and 5 positions, almost in the McDyess mold.
I think Anderson could add a little bit of muscle.
.. not sure if he’ll ever be able to play for the 5, though.
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I'm reserving judgment
But my instincts tell me that saying Anderson is a 4/5 versus a 3/4 is a wild miscalculation.
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by Eyriq the Red on Jul 10, 2009 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Anderson can't play the 3.
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LOL
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by Eyriq the Red on Jul 10, 2009 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I know he is willing to try to and work on playing the 3 ..
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i am absolutely ecstatic about the move
i would most definitely start bass with shard and dwight.
but i doubt we would go after barnes at SF if we planned on bringing pietrus off the bench.
i would rather see matt barnes on the floor than redick...get it?
that would allow pietrus to stay at guard……..to spell the old man
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Yep and I'm in the camp that wants nothing to do with Pietrus at the 3.
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by DieSlowKeyshawn on Jul 10, 2009 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Why?
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Return of CLee
I heard from a very very reliable source that the Magic are trying to get CLee back. ER and Ben, have you heard anything like that?
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Trying to imagine how that could possibly happen
Considering the Nets insisted he be part of the deal.
I've heard nothing of the sort.
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I guess we'll all be surprised if it were to happen.
Maybe it was just wishful thinking on the part of this person. But I see no reason why he would make this up. We’ll see.
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It just doesn't make sense because the Nets can't trade him right now.
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My thoughts exactly...I just dont see how you pull it off.
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For me it's that his strengths are accented when he goes against smaller 2's.
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by Eyriq the Red on Jul 10, 2009 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Sure, but it isn't like Pietrus can't play the 3.
.. besides, he and Carter are interchangeable at the wings.
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well yeah, obviously barnes over redick
but wouldn’t you agree that pietrus and barnes are essentially the same player?
long arms, good athletes, shoot 3’s at a decent clip, good defenders.. if anything barnes is a headier player than peaches…
hands down, really?
i beg to differ…
you know how they say quarterbacks have internal clocks counting down til they need to get rid of the ball?
pietrus has one too, except his clock is ticking til he does something stupid
Did you watch the playoffs?
That is the man we signed. Regular season Pietrus was hurt/timid. Plus, Pietrus didn’t really start playing basketball until he moved to France at 16 or so. He is still developing his Basketball IQ, but there is no denying that his talent and upside are way above Barnes’.
-based on athletic ability alone? pietrus by 5,280 feet.
-upside? about even, pietrus isn’t 23 ya know…
you are quite the pietrus apologist i see… but the truth is i don’t see a lot of timidness in all those reckless 3’s…
I like Pietrus' offensive aggressiveness.
.. though, you see it as reckless.
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i would rather see barnes backup the forward spot and....
allow peitrus to focus on the other teams guards……..when he and vince are on the court vince would probably play the role hedo did…..point forward……no??
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Carter has the ability to play some point.
.. he has told me, he was able to learn from Jason Kidd, Mark Jackson, and Muggsy Bogues.
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good people to learn from
Kaz/Shields/Garza/Sonny/Price/Davis/Hellickson-necessitate a drool cup or a 7 man rotation
by CubFanRaysaddict on Jul 10, 2009 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Absolutely.
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Mmmm
Lewis is going to spend quite a bit of time at 3 this season, I think. Bass will probably get 15 or so banging minutes at the 4, Anderson another 15 at the four shooting, with Lewis taking the rest and playing 15-20 or so at SF.
by eltharion_doa on Jul 10, 2009 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
They'll fit.
Stan Van Gundy is one of the best coaches in the NBA at making the pieces work.
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Matt Barnes is no scrub
Dude always drops 10-15 points a game on us. I would take him or Von Wafer, who are two great scorers. Either would be suitable in my mind. Theo Ratliff seems OK too, i guess.
Great scorers? They aren't great scorers.
.. in any case, Barnes wouldn’t be a bad option for Orlando.
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The only way I see Barnes + Bass working is this
Starters – Nelson, Carter, Barnes, Lewis, Howard
Bench – AJ, JJ, Pietrus, Anderson, Bass
Starting Bass leaves us w/o a back-up center. If we sign Ratliff then Anderson and Bass are in a logjam at PF. If we move Bass to the starting PF Then we have Pietrus and Barnes backing up at SF.
Last year we thought we had a logjam at the 2, with four players their.
I’d say that depth worked out pretty well. With injuries happening as they do, depth is a good thing.
Depth is good yes, but...
… I think we have a promising young player in Anderson, especially in this system. Bass may hinder that development.
Bass may get time at the 5.
I know the organization will take a look at that and see if that’s a viable option.
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no........we obviouse need another gap filler at center/power forward
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actually,not necessarily...
If the Magic sign Barnes,consider that the beginning of the end of the J.J. Redick venture,as Redick only has one year left on his contract,and the Magic have a $8-9M trade exception,which means that lets say the Magic need a more reliable back up center or starting power foward(assuming we dont ge Ratliff or its not working out,or whatever) and go for a Antwaan Jamison,and lets say his salary is $10M a year….we can gap da salary of Jamison with the exception,and get rid of Redick,and then we’d have…
Starters=PG-Neson,SG-Carter,SF-Lewis,-Jamison,C-Howard
Back-Ups=PG-AJ,Russel Robinson,SG-Pietrus,SF-Barnes,PF-Anderson,C-Bass
If….I mean WHEN the Magic use the trade excepton during the season,I will personally GUARANTEE Redick is one of the player(s) traded,as we have Pietrus at the SG back-up spot,wth Barnes at SF.
by DoYouBelieveInMagic92 on Jul 11, 2009 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions
The Magic can't go too deep into the tax.
.. there’s no way Orlando can afford to take on Jamison’s contract.
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ummm...
evidently,you didnt read what I wrote,I never said to go for Jamison,I simply was using him as an example,i.e. I said lets ASSUME his salary was $10M a year…..
by DoYouBelieveInMagic92 on Jul 11, 2009 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions
You can't package a player and a trade exception together.
A trade exception must be combined with something—a draft pick or cash considerations—but it can’t be combined with a player for salary-matching purposes.
Yahoo is also reporting that Grant Hill is staying in Phoenix
So him not going to Boston is also good news.
Not irrelevant. Frye and Hill signing with the Suns impacts Barnes.
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Good aquisition....
Brandon Bass is a banger and a very good rebounder given the min. Guys he’s 23 y/o with tremendous upside. Why do you think Hedo got so good late in his career or Gortat started to blossom??? it wasn’t so much of what those players did it’s because they played next to dwight…. This is a good signing, Bass is thick also. You can go ahead and take what he did in dallas and xtimes it by two playing next to Dwight….
He's 6'8
you think that’ll hinder him though…are the Magic necessarily bigger now?
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He's got long arms
That makes it for it somewhat. I’d actually venture to guess he’s closer to 6’7 than 6’8.
Hello.
Height. Is. Overrated.
.. that’s all I need to say about that.
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yeah seriously
errbody chill out on the man’s vertical handicap
we can make this work
Nah' mean, nah'm sayin
Otis just informally addressed the media. Eddy will have some key quotes up here shortly.
One thing he said was that Bass won’t necessarily start. It’ll be up to the coaching staff.
Otis vs Stan, round 1?
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by Eyriq the Red on Jul 10, 2009 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Nah ..
.. as for the quotes, I’ll post those in a few hours. I want to make sure I catch the end of the Summer League, so bear with me. I got a lot of good quotes from Otis Smith, so be on the lookout for that later.
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Dallas fan here...
Not to be disrespectful, but you guys overpaid. Brandon is a great athlete and strong as an ox (he could give Dwight a run for who has the widest shoulders), but he relies too much on his jumper (which is pretty as all get out, but inconsistent), and is not as good a rebounder as advertised.
He’s also not 6’8. 6’6 tops, and struggles to defend taller players (see Nene and Birdman in the second round).
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Thanks for the input
but overpaid? I don’t know. Look at some of the contracts this off season, less than 5 a year for Bass seems pretty reasonable in comparison.
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by DieSlowKeyshawn on Jul 10, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Yup, the full MLE was getting thrown out in talks.
If he develops (he is only 23), he will be an absolute steal at 4.5 per.
Certainly a better deal than Cleveland got with Varejeo...
But I still think the price would have gone down if he’d been allowed to sweat a little longer. Portland wasn’t going to make a run at him until they got an answer from Millsap, and Dallas wasn’t going to get into a bidding war for him.
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by Big D Bam Bam on Jul 10, 2009 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
If the Magic made him sweat a little longer, the Cavaliers were making a big push at him.
.. granted, Cleveland didn’t have the money to match but I wouldn’t risk waiting.
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Just as I feared
Struggle to defend taller players is exactly NOT what a backup center should do.
(I peg him as the backup 5, because Ryan is the better fit at 4 and should get most of those backup minutes over Bass)
It's a reasonable contract.
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HILLARIOUS!!!
A Dallas fan comes on here and tells us we overpaid for bass when they just signed Gortat to a 37 million dollar contract, OKAY BUDDYYY….
Fair enough...
But the market for Gortat was stronger. Bass could have been had for less.
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by Big D Bam Bam on Jul 10, 2009 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Yup. We matching?
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by Eyriq the Red on Jul 10, 2009 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I think we are actually.
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by Eyriq the Red on Jul 10, 2009 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Otis may match, with the purpose of trading Marcin Gortat.
Whatever Smith does, I won’t be surprised.
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Exactly. He's keeping his assets on hand in one form or another
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by Eyriq the Red on Jul 10, 2009 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Smart.
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Don't be.
.. it’s a process.
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Agreed. Gortat at 5/$35 is a MUCH bigger risk than Bass 4/$18, IMO.
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by DieSlowKeyshawn on Jul 10, 2009 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I can't call someone who averaged 12 minutes per game an "elite" rebounder, yet.
Like I say all the time, advanced statistics don’t take into account stamina or mental blunders.
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by DieSlowKeyshawn on Jul 10, 2009 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Countless studies have shown that per minutes statistics, usually, translate.
Gortat is an elite rebounder and shot blocker because his rebounding rate and blocking rate are nearly identical to Howard. There’s no fluke in those numbers. Marcin is a legit player.
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Please explain 'countless studies'
Please reference them.
Advanced statistics (such as per 36 or 48) by multiplying a player’s 12 minutes by 4 (for per 48) DO NOT account for stamina.
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by DieSlowKeyshawn on Jul 10, 2009 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Sure, they don't account for stamina ..
.. but they do take into account what a player may do with more minutes.
http://www.knickerblogger.net/?p=608
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That's true.
But telling me, Gortat would be on pace for 22/19 COULD HE play 48 minutes (like 82games does) its kind of an absurd stat to use in comparison… to anyone or anything.
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by DieSlowKeyshawn on Jul 10, 2009 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
You can't use his per 48 minutes to assess what his numbers will be.
.. because he isn’t going to see time on the floor for the whole game. I suggest checking out his per 36 statistics on Basketball-Reference. That’s realistic.
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Ok
Gortat per 36: 11/13
Dwight per 36: 21/14
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by DieSlowKeyshawn on Jul 10, 2009 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
.. and those statistics fall in line for both players.
When Gortat got minutes, that’s pretty much what his numbers were.
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He is a legit NBA player, I'm not disputing that.
That said, I’d like to see how many other NBA players received $7 million a year coming off of a year where they played 12 minutes. Keep in mind, he’s being paid $7/yr to remain a backup center as he won’t be starting over Dampier.
Rate identical to Howard? Again, we aren’t going to be able to see that ‘translated’ as Gortat will remain a starter. The only way it’s possible to see if he’s “identical” to Howard is if he one day becomes a starter. When that happens, we’ll compare his rebounding/block shots to Dwight Howard’s, until then, it’s really not fair make that comparison.
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by DieSlowKeyshawn on Jul 10, 2009 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
meant to read, "remain a back-up"
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by DieSlowKeyshawn on Jul 10, 2009 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
The Dallas Mavericks are a team that have invested in basketball analytics.
.. the organization wouldn’t have offered Marcin the full MLE if they didn’t feel he would be able to step in and produce similar to what his numbers project to be.
Gortat has proven he can put up numbers, when he gets the minutes.
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full MLE plus some right?
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by DieSlowKeyshawn on Jul 10, 2009 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Just the full MLE.
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Which I thought was 5.5, isn't Marcin making 7yr?
Or 5.5 this year then backloaded?
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by DieSlowKeyshawn on Jul 10, 2009 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't know, to be honest.
The full MLE is $5.854 .. but I don’t know the specifics.
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5 year deal
8% escalation p.a
5.854
6.322
6.828
7.374
7.964
=34.342 overall.
by eltharion_doa on Jul 10, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Most deals are backloaded
So unless otherwise stated, that’s usually what I assume.
Though I like front loaded deals.
Absolutely no one is Dallas projects Damp as the starter next year...
The Hammer is going to get his chance to start, and absorb as many minutes as he can. Damp is the backup unless Gortat really flops. He actually came off the bench through most of the run to the Finals, and did a good job.
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by Big D Bam Bam on Jul 10, 2009 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Gortat won't flop, so Mavs fans won't have to worry about that.
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He might start over Dampier. He has a $12.1 M expiring deal that Dallas is apparently trying to move
I'd be shocked if he doesn't start over him during the season.
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bass shows up well on the 82 games link.....dontcha think???
i really like the grab…….he wont be a help just this year either…..
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23 years old, locked up for 4 years... COULD BE a steal
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by DieSlowKeyshawn on Jul 10, 2009 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Bass is a nice piece to have with Howard, Nelson, and others.
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'elite' is a bit of a stretch.
Why do you think he invented the bear hug rebound? He has stone hands.
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by DieSlowKeyshawn on Jul 10, 2009 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I gave him his due when he played well, you guys know that.
I do believe he’s a little overrated on this board. I saw a man that couldn’t receive an entry pass cleanly, couldn’t corral a loose ball, made countless mental blunders, had stone hands when rebounding (sans barehug) and often on the losing side of rebounding battles when challenged.
He was solid defensively for the most part, but like I said, I feel he was greatly overrated on the board. It’s just my opinion and I admit I’m convincingly in the minority with that one.
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by DieSlowKeyshawn on Jul 10, 2009 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I know, I'm just messing with you :)
Besides, I found it funny how much you disliked him
Yay, Roger!
lol yeah, watching Dwight 36min a night really spoils ya...
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by DieSlowKeyshawn on Jul 10, 2009 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
You're telling me!
I’d watch Dwight one night and then the next night it would be Dampier…both on opposite ends of the spectrum
Yay, Roger!
Greatly overrated?
Well, everyone has their opinion, which is fine. When people rave about a guy, I can see where that type of perception comes from. But seriously, Marcin Gortat is a guy that can easily start in the NBA .. he has the skills to succeed and I think people will see that.
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he has great hands....not just for a big man either......he could catch fast balls....
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Andy V.
Speaking of the flopper, wow 50 mil, no where near worth that. Hell i think BAss is a better player than the flopper… I really do….
It's not really $50m
At least $10m of it is unlikely performance bonuses, and the final year’s unguaranteed for the most part.
by eltharion_doa on Jul 10, 2009 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
"the expiring contract".....love it
…even if all 3 come on board there are still a few vet-mins out there at center and big forward….not sure how deep we would be after these signings………but one more big with 6 fouls, half a block and maybe a rebound or two per game would be great…….
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Bobby Jackson
I would love for them to sign Bobby Jackson. He comes from the same SacKings school of hard knocks that got robbed in 2002 that Turkoglu came from. I’ll feel good if they get a tall vet center. Who’s still available?
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Don't know how much better than AJ he'd be at this point
Would rather pick up Robinson from the summer league and spend the money elsewhere. I like Barnes and Theo for this team.
I might agree somewhat with you...
…cause Bobby J never recovered from those sports hernia surgeries…but I’d still take him over AJ anyday. He’s a warrior…and play with a lot of grit. As for a big, I like Theo Ratliff as a size guy…pretty much a replacement for Battie.
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I don't think Bobby J ever recovered from when T-mac bitch slapped him here in Orlando
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by AB's triple double on Jul 10, 2009 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, man. I remember that!
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center...............joe smith....rasho nesterovic.......jamaal magloire.....mikki moore......????????
big forward……………..chris wilcox……maceo baston…..stromile swift…..????
did i just list mikki moore as a potential player? who am i???
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Theo Ratliff
Is about the best of who’s left.
by eltharion_doa on Jul 10, 2009 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Bobby Jackson? Really?
He’s 36 .. the Magic are better off getting Russell Robinson, who’s young and has upside.
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Very good numbers though, especially with APM
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by Eyriq the Red on Jul 10, 2009 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, but that signing wouldn't make sense.
I’d take Robinson over Jackson.
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I know this is a stupid question, but @ $4.5 mil a year, what is left of the MLE?
I should know this, but I wasn’t too clear on what $ value constituted a full MLE.
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Actually, does anyone have the breakdown of the deal yet? Is it an escalating contract?
How much is he going to count toward the MLE in his first year? Is it actually $4.5 mil? Could it be less? How much will be left? Inquiring minds…
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They usually backload with something like a 10% increase
So this first year should be more around 4 mil or maybe even less. I’m guessing we have around 1.8 mil left?
I don't know the details of the contract, yet.
.. but whatever the case, there’s still money left from the MLE (roughly $1.3 million) .
The MLE is $5.854 so you do the math.
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vince knows about this new kid.........
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(Deadspin)
Almost knocking Vince Carter the hell out with an elbow. “I saw stars, stripes, everything,” said a still woozy Carter. “Green clovers, blue diamonds, orange stars, pink hearts, purple horseshoes, yellow moons…I’m telling you, those Mavericks are always after me Lucky Charms!”
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by DieSlowKeyshawn on Jul 10, 2009 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't you mean...
Hearts, stars, and horseshoes. Clovers and blue moons. Pots of gold and rainbows. And me red balloons?
No, just copied it from deadspin
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by DieSlowKeyshawn on Jul 10, 2009 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
lol yeah, VC must have muffed the quote.
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by DieSlowKeyshawn on Jul 10, 2009 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought Kleiza
was a better fit with us but I like Bass too. I actually think the contract is pretty reasonable for a 23 yr old PF/C. But it looks like we will have a much more traditional team and I think Shard goes back to the 3. SVG knows how to maximize talent so I like the move.
Don’t like Barnes. Seems to think he is better than what he really is. But if he can accept a role on this team then it could work.
Ratliff? No wonder Gortat got that much money. Not that many capable centers out there.
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He'll do for ten a night
On the vet’s min.
by eltharion_doa on Jul 10, 2009 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think the Bass signing signifies that the team will become more traditional.
.. I don’t think it signifies anything other than the fact the Magic add a player.
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i agree.......at this point simply adding flexability....something we use quite well (see vangundy)
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Great signing
Nelson/Carter/Lewis/Bass/Howard, best lineup in the NBA? Certainly an improvement over last years Magic finals team. Less three point options but improved defense and rebounding. I think with his range and efficiency our eFG% will still be elite while of eFG% defense will be even better as he has the mobility to defend both the Hybrid 4’s as well as the bangers. I love this lineup!
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I don't think it's the best lineup in the NBA, if Bass were to start.
.. and there’s no indications that Brandon will. He may, but I wouldn’t count on it.
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Would rather see Anderson start at the 4
That would give us our really tall and hard to handle frontcourt lineup that proved difficult to defend last year and helped us reach the Finals. Bring Bass in off the bench to hold down the fort while the starters rest.
Howard\Anderson\Lewis\Carter\Jameer = 1 in 4 out
Howard\Bass\Lewis\Carter\Jameer = 2 in 3 out. Not sure how that would work. Dwight needs room to work in the post.
dwight
is going to be able to make things happen on offense next season. it’s about time he learned to work with someone else in the post because as he gets older his game is going to have to adapt to that sort of play. we have this offseason and all 82 games next season to get this machine running, and with the options we have on the court as well as through the trade deadline it seems like we get to watch this team grow even more.
Nah' mean, nah'm sayin
Grammar check? Spell check?
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I think he's saying Bass is too good a FT shooter to be on our team?
I was surprised he shoots 87%, maybe that makes the 4.25 million a year worth it in itself, he can teach the team some lessons.
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by DieSlowKeyshawn on Jul 10, 2009 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL .. maybe.
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TURK?
:(
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The first Raps Magic game will be oh so weird.
So weird. Knowing our home crowd, they probably won’t even greet Turk properly.
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by DieSlowKeyshawn on Jul 10, 2009 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I still don't understand why they couldn't give the team a round of applause in the last minutes of game 5...
True, they were getting destroyed and losing the Finals is no fun, but fans piling for the exits and not acknowledging a terrific season with a standing ovation was kinda classless.
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by DieSlowKeyshawn on Jul 10, 2009 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe the new arena will change that
that place looks like a sick place just to hang out
by Souwantmyname on Jul 10, 2009 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions
lmao haha
oh South Park
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by TheGiantSquid on Jul 10, 2009 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I love the move.
Oh if we get Ratliff and Barness I will be pumped.
Bass is a beast and we just go better. Interested to see what are starting lineup will be.
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Seems pretty easy to me
meer, vc, shard, bass, howard
Keep Pietrus on the bench where he belongs, providing fresh legs on defense and that offensive spark we saw in the playoffs.
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by DieSlowKeyshawn on Jul 10, 2009 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions
not to mention
keep Pietrus the hell away from the 3.
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by DieSlowKeyshawn on Jul 10, 2009 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions
huh........you're kidding right
…..id rather him stand still and shoot than drive to the basket for an offensive foul…….
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I think he meant the position, not the three-point line.
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I'd prefer to have Pietrus be the sixth-man, but I'm good with whatever.
Stan Van Gundy is huge about advanced statistics so he’ll know which lineup he wants.
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Good signing. The best free agent available (outside, maybe, David Lee)
We should get Pops Mensah-Bonsu from Toronto since they won’t be re-signing him. Solid bench player at SF, cheap too.
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I like Bass. He hustles his ass off.
Barnes is ok too, if you like insanely streaky shooters with sometimes questionable shot selection, but not a bad choice for Orlando’s system.
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He only has to play 15 or so minutes
If he can put the ball in the net 3 or 4 times and take his open threes, that’s all we need.
by eltharion_doa on Jul 10, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
As long as you can put up with many not so open threes, sure.
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Agreed.
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+1
I agree. For what we need him for he is perfect, plus he is solid perimeter defender. We need the bodies for Boston and Cleveland.
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Plus Barnes is a pretty gritty player
which would be good if he can get in the heads of opposing SF’s I’m looking at you Pierce
by Souwantmyname on Jul 10, 2009 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions
bass
alright, nice pick up. he’s no dice (and he’s no sheed, for better and worse), but he’s a very solid frontcourt addition. someone else besides dwight to give us a legitimate physical presence. hopefully he’ll work hard and keep developing. a couple more solid, serviceable vets (and a trade exception in our back pocket for a rainy day) and we’ll be looking good
I don't like the idea of signing Ratliff. He's done, defensively.
- adj. defensive plus/minus: +5.31
- opponent PER vs. C’s: 21.7
- net defensive plus/minus: +5.3
- eFG% allowed: 50.7%
That’s terrible.
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BUT he does have 3 blocks per 36
;)
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by DieSlowKeyshawn on Jul 10, 2009 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't know. I haven't looked at the free agent list.
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Rasho's preference is to re-sign with Toronto, and Toronto wants him
Can’t imagine him going anywhere else.
I thought he's with the Pacers
Toronto just re-signed Bargs for five years, 50 million, I think.
Yay, Roger!
Raptors traded him to Indy last year as part of O'Neal deal, but he wants back in Toronto
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“To come back would be great, I’d love to. Toronto is always and will always be my favourite city.”
The interest, according to league sources, is mutual.
Where's Greg Kite when you need him?????
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by AB's triple double on Jul 10, 2009 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Stats wise
Not a good fit, but what we willing to pay he could be fine. I like his ability to block shots. I am comfortable with him for 15 minutes.
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I don't know that anyone likes him that much
But there’s not a lot else out there.
by eltharion_doa on Jul 10, 2009 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Is it possible to maybe use the trade exemption to get David Lee during the season?
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by Wally Balls 407 on Jul 10, 2009 3:41 PM EDT reply actions
Who then?
What are the early names out there?
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by Wally Balls 407 on Jul 10, 2009 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I could see
A talented SG or C for a playoff run.
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Why put more money into arguably our two most talented positions?
I bet you have to think long and hard about who Shaq’s backup was on those Championship laker teams.
I think
We are more capable at SF and PF. Our weakest back-ups are C and SG. That is my thinking, I am thinking quality depth vs Starter.
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PG wouldn't be a bad spot either.
Depends on the rest of FA though
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We would have to trade Bass or Anderson for Barnes or Kleiza?
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by Wally Balls 407 on Jul 10, 2009 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions
We used the bi-annual last season
For AJ.
by eltharion_doa on Jul 10, 2009 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Less than that with the MLE (roughly $1.3 million, I think) ..
.. the veteran’s minimum, and the player exception.
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Wait sholdn't Bass only be getting paid 3 million next year
since most contracts escalate from year to year
by Souwantmyname on Jul 10, 2009 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I've heard different numbers throughout the day, but John Denton was on 1080 The Team today and said it would probably be around 3.8 mil in year one with escalations throughout the contract.
I would imagine it’s all speculation at this point. Just have to wait and see the details of the contract once those are released.
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His guess is as good as mine.
I talked to Denton and we’re just guessing ..
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People need to realize that the player trade exception is money.
.. money that will tack on, given the Orlando Magic are going to be in the luxury tax. I doubt Otis goes out there and uses the whole sha’bang unless he gets creative with a trade, so keep that in mind.
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interesting
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by Wally Balls 407 on Jul 10, 2009 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions
It's not free money.
.. I think people don’t realize that. If the Magic use it, it adds to the payroll.
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I disagree. Mostly everybody understands what the TE is, we just don't care how it impacts the payroll
It’s not our money, and the trade exception is a nice tool at the Magic’s disposal to greatly improve the team (payroll be damned). That is all we care about and that is why we want it used.
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NICE :D Welcome BASS!
He’s going to give a tough look at 4/5 with Dwight, instead of a Lewis-Anderson who have the same style, and if Bass and Dwight mesh well down low, esp. wit Bass’ midrange game, it could be the start of the Magic’s bad boys duo.
ratliff
erivera, i agree with you about him. his nums are declining and he looked really bad against us in the playoffs this year. my guess is that if we bring him in it’s only to play a few mins a game. i think bass would get some run at the 4 and would also get some backup minutes at the 5, and ratliff would average about 7 minutes a night as the 2nd/3rd string center. when bass plays the 5, look for anderson at the 4 since he is a much better rebounder than lewis.
i agree, ratliff is too old. i would like barnes, but i wish magic would try to use the rest f MLE or TPE S/T for Kleiza first.
No way we get Kleiza for $2m
No way at all.
by eltharion_doa on Jul 10, 2009 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions
it cant be overstated that we truly need 6 fouls maybe 12 at the backup center.....
so anyone out there that even “looks” like a defensive threat will probably work
last year we didn’t have ONE true power forward…this year we have 2 plus rashard and a better rebounder at the 2 spot………we need lunchpail guys at center…..really
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didn't he get dunked on by Anthony Johnson?
I mean…
by Half-man Half-gortat on Jul 10, 2009 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I think that should say enough.
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kleiza/delfino
derekk — please explain your thinking on kleiza a little more. he seems to me like sort of a wild, shoot-first, no defense, no fundamentals type guy. he can score in bunches, but doesn’t seem to do much else. not sure that’s a great fit on a team with a bunch of offensive options. do you have a different take on him? i’d love to get a delfino, who is a smart, balanced, talented all-around player.
hes not too quick on D, but hes atough, heavy SF who can defend average, if Magic let him body up more b/c of the Blocking Beast Dwight is behind him, Kleiza could try defending very hard, esp. with Pietrus in that spot too. Hes a good 3pnt shooter, still young, and if he’s runned off the 3pnt line Hollinger says he is actually most accurate driving. He has great fundamentals, because many “Best Fits” opinions think he needs a more system-based offense like Magic’s than Denvers 1on1-ish style, which is where Kleiza found himself out of rotation. I see this guy as a starter level SF in this league, particularly with the right fit/team like Magic. GM Smith needs to sell him on that fact with the full biannual or the rest of the MLE, before getting Matt Barnes, the 2nd best free agent SF behind Kleiza in my mind.
Can Ryan Anderson play SF?
If he can I don’t see what all the hallabalue is.
Jameer/Johnson
Carter/Redick
MP/Anderson
Lewis/Bass
Howard/??
I think the need for a backup to our best player is being severely overexaggerated. 8-9 players MAX are going to be getting minutes come playoff time. I think Ratliff would be an excellent addition for a guy who just needs to play 10 mpg.
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by Wally Balls 407 on Jul 10, 2009 4:32 PM EDT reply actions
Oh don't be a BASShole :oP
See what I did there?
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by funny80sguy on Jul 10, 2009 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
no, anderson should really only be seeing mins at the 4
too small for the 5 and too slow for the 3
Jameer/Johnson/vet minimum
Vince/JJ/Pietrus
Lewis/Pietrus
Bass/Anderson/Lewis
Dwight/Bass/vet minimum
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This team is going to be so fun to watch
…it’s like we got a brand new team!
haha
Some people will point this out to be a bad thing—I disagree. We have more talent than last year, the issue is coordinating a system around the parts we have. And honestly, Stan pulled the current one after tinkering around, what makes you think he can’t adjust (or fully change) into another one.
Just have faith in Stan, if nothing else. Question Otis, whatever, blah, I don’t care. But Stan has RARELY led this team astray.
I just wasn't happy with the Carter trade
I personally don’t like him and it’s a shame that Lee will realize his potential elsewhere.
Yay, Roger!
I agree that Lee will be good for years to come
and I’ve posted something much longer than this before, but I just don’t see him growing into an All-Star.
A valuable role player? Yes. But someone a team can count on as a first or even second option? I don’t think so.
maybe you'll like him better when he plays with better players around him
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by AB's triple double on Jul 10, 2009 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Seriously.
VC is a class act and a consummate professional. I’m rooting for him.
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If SVG shaved his stache, I think I would go into a 10 year funk of dejection
I’m not even sure if I’m kidding either.
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so far
we’ve lost: hedo, lee, gortat, rafer and battie
we’ve added : vince, bass and anderson
pretty solid. if we add a barnes-level player, we’ve very clearly upgraded our roster (and even without him we’ve probably already upgraded).
(thx for the etiquette tip)
(your welcome)
I do agree that with one more FA signing, then filling out the roster with Summer League guys that we are simply better.
"erivera7 " I'm giving props instead of being negative about Otis!!! I STAND CORRECTED!!
I agree fwedo!! I am giving kudos to Otis for this Bass trade and possible Barnes “level” trade in the future!!
I’m not ecstatic about signing Bass
But a good move. He will bring in some toughness and Orlando didn’t have to break the bank. I say sign Barnes if we can and fill the roster with K. Powell and R Hendrix, because these 2 have earned a contract with their play during the Summer League.
Magic still have a biannual exception?
Magic take rest of MLE for Matt Barnes, and throws full Biannual at Nate Robinson.
Full depth.
ah, was wondering that. thanks Ben for clearing it up. SoMagic have 1.6-1.8mil left on MLE and 1mil-ish of the Vet min., and the 7mil TPE only?
Look at my comment above.
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Ratliff??? Really?!?!
We just need to pick up a young project center like Gortat.. We don’t need another vet’s mouth in the locker room. This Dwight’s team
I doubt Ratliff signs with the team.
.. there’s a lot of smart guys behind the scenes and I’m sure they know that Ratliff is done.
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Maybe they want to boost AJ's confidence though since that debacle at the Finals
AJ would start feeling good about himself again by constantly dunking on Ratliff in practices.
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LMAO.
Maybe .. you never know.
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Otis got his man
Lets face it this was the man Otis wanted all along.
The other pieces will fall in place.
I believe that their is one more big deal to come that 8 to 9 million exception will come into play soon.
IN OTIS WE TRUST
well john denton said magic wanted mcdyess more, but magic really werent as interested as ppl think in sheed. so that makes bass one of the most coveted by orlando, perhaps 2nd most of all FAs, particularly for non full MLE prices too. bass is younger and more athletic. i like him, i think he might be great with dwight.
Well, the Magic weren't interested as much in Rasheed because the interest wasn't mutual.
I'm the other guy at Third Quarter Collapse, with a Twitter account.
"Never hate your enemies. It affects your judgement." - Michael Corleone
OTIS GOT HIS MAN
I can see going after Mcdyess, It would bring a veteran with a tough presence but Bass will do the same and be around a lot longer.
Brandon can play with Dwight.
I'm the other guy at Third Quarter Collapse, with a Twitter account.
"Never hate your enemies. It affects your judgement." - Michael Corleone
how about fillers?
barnes and kleiza is good although i don’t know if kleiza will be good for small amt.
richard hendrix and russell robinson are impressive
looking into the vegas roster we could find other guys
Josh Heytvelt F/C 6-11 260 an athlete
Ian Mahinmi C 6-11 250 though i think Spurs won’t let him go
Pat Calathes G/F 6-10210 he can bring the ball, maybe SVG can bring out the best in him like he did with Hedo
John Bryant C 6-11 275
David Padgett C 6-11 230 tough guy back with pitino
Jeff Pendergraph F/C 6-10 versatile guy could learn the ropes with coaching staff
Rashaad Singleton C 7-0 270
Luke Nevill C 7-2 265
Brian Cusworth C 7-0 255
Courtney Sims C 6-11 245
Earl Barron C 7-0 268 this guy is soft though
Rob Kurz F 6-9 232 a competitor plus he can shoot from 18 and far away
Garret Siler C 6-11 305 played well in portsmonth
Longar Longar C 6-11 234 can play though inconsistent
Aron Baynes C 6-11 270 not much moves
Marcus Cousin C 6-11 250
Trent Plaisted F 6-11 245
Luke Zeller C 6-11 240 a pick and pop capable guy*
Nick Lewis F/C 6-11 240
Julius Hodge F/G 6-7 210 have been playing PG outside the country
Brandon Costner F 6-9 230 can play
so what you guys think?
maybe we can also help- clip's in trying to unload.....
there center overload trying to trade for DeAndre Jordan (maybe he can learn good things from Pat Ewing and Dwight
and maybe mike taylor for JJ Redick?
Seriously.
I'm the other guy at Third Quarter Collapse, with a Twitter account.
"Never hate your enemies. It affects your judgement." - Michael Corleone
Can I go ballistic on the idea of why Donte Greene won't be coming to Orlando?
If not, I really want to.
Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
sorry
coz i get the idea after i post the previous ones anyway,
as i said also in the other topic we can do a sign and trade for gortat for ryan hollins and additional draft pick, with the donte green redick trade i think it will be a high risk high reward trade for magic, greene will somehow be a poor’s man hedo while for Sacramento JJ is on his last year contract and will provide them cap relief and they are 2 years away from rebuilding again
maybe we can also sign hendrix, pat calathes, and russel robinson to fill out the lineup
well that’s just an opinion
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