Otis Smith to make another offer to Turk

by ggrant on Jun 30, 2009 12:24 AM EDT Comment 29 comments

They haven't totally given up on Hedo. Looks like Otis Smith will make Hedo another offer after the free agent market settles and he "establishes" his value.

Hopefully they can get this worked out. With the additional National TV games, the new arena, the rise in season ticket sales we should be able to soften the blow of the luxury tax. We're gonna be in the tax regardless. We might as well go balls deep.

A starting lineup of Jameer, Vince, Hedo, Rashard, and Dwight would be arguably t

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“We’re gonna be in the tax regardless. We might as well go balls deep.”

I disagree. We’re right up against it right now with 8 players on teh roster. The team is lacking in a couple areas and Hedo doesnt address that. In fact if we do bring Hedo back, aside from it costing 20 mil per year (10 for his contract, 10 for the luxury tax) which is an exorbitant amount on its own, his presence will restrain the team from reaching the balance it is seeking

Bringing Hedo back means 2 things. 1) the remaining spots on the roster will be filled out with cheap journeymen and never has beens. 2) Rashard Lewis will HAVE TO remain at PF for the remainder of his contract and we will continue lacking help defense in the paint for HOward, along with rebounding.

For these reasons, it just doesnt make much sense now that Carter is here. We have 2 creators of offense in Nelson and Carter in the starting lineup. I think WAY too many people are downplaying Nelsons ability to create offense

by magicss4242 on Jun 30, 2009 1:19 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Good thoughts.

Re-signing Hedo Turkoglu would be nice, but as you said, it would be expensive to do so and it would inhibit Otis Smith’s ability to fill the roster with .. you know, good players. I think the Magic have more pressing needs upgrading the bench than the team has in re-signing Turk, given the circumstances.

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by erivera7 on Jun 30, 2009 1:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

You guy are right.

I’m still emotionally attached. Maybe I can get over it by September.

by ggrant on Jun 30, 2009 1:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I would probably argue that...

bringing Gortat back is more essential than Turk. Both guys we can do without. Gortat was a huge boost last year but to be honest the backup Center job in Orlando is probably the least important of any backup C job in the NBA. Adonyl Foyle did a respectable job and if someone like Rasheed or Bass was brought in, we wouldnt need much more than a Foyle type backing up Howard. and I think Foyle was the least capable player we could find, so that shows how easy that job can be.

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by magicss4242 on Jun 30, 2009 1:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yep,I agree

Gortat-like player(hopefully himself) is arguably more important than Hedo at this time.

by Dzogi on Jun 30, 2009 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

No problem with the welcome.

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by erivera7 on Jun 30, 2009 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

No worries.

I was a bit surprised by the trade at first, but I’ve come to really like the move by Otis Smith. I definitely sympathize with fans for being emotionally attached to the players. It happens.

That’s part of being a fan.

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by erivera7 on Jun 30, 2009 2:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I was just talking to another sports fan...

..about how hard it is to be a fan of something that you have absolutely NO control over.

by ggrant on Jun 30, 2009 2:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

It's tough sometimes, yeah.

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by erivera7 on Jul 1, 2009 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

1)
Nelson-AJ-Journeymn
Carter-JJ-MP
Turk-MP
Lewis-Anderson
Dwight-Journeyman
What’s the problem again?
And its not 20mil 10 of contract, 10 of tax, itd be like 13-16mil of tax, 10 of contract. We still have some room right now under lux tax.
2)
Rashard Lewis and Ryan Anderson are the answers here, they make the offense the most effective in the league and gives dwight his spacing. As he gets older and improves these problems are not as big, esp. b/c Magic alrdy made it to the Finals with these “problems.”

by derekk on Jun 30, 2009 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

If the Magic are $10 million in the tax, they'd have to pay that AND another $10 million.

Teams pay one dollar for each dollar that they are over the luxury tax.

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by erivera7 on Jun 30, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

yes but the magic are like 2.6mil-4mil under tax right now from my calculations, leaving that amount tax-free,hence not being 10milfrom taxes. just double the amt of the dirt cheap players to fill out

by derekk on Jun 30, 2009 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

oos, and the rest of hedos contract once tax level is met

by derekk on Jun 30, 2009 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Not sure what your calculations are, but the Magic are barely under the tax.

The team is less than $2 million under the threshold right now, depending on the final number.

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by erivera7 on Jun 30, 2009 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

this is great , they just updated the site for the current players, and this page assumes Orl is keeping Turk at his opt-in deal, which gives a general idea of keepin him is costing. Not that much! Do it!
And the important thing is to read the cap and TAX at the bottom of the 09-10 season we are entering. The deceptive thing is that Negative numbers are good, and Positive numbers bad as in you’re over that level.

by derekk on Jun 30, 2009 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=p04two3w1E2ZHhzBoBSzXQQ&gid=24

by derekk on Jun 30, 2009 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Taking away Hedo puts the team salary at roughly $68 million.

I don’t know how accurate those numbers are .. Pietrus’ contract looks a little off, but as I said, the team is less than $2 million under the threshold right now, depending on where the luxury tax number lies (everyone is guessing $69 million).

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by erivera7 on Jun 30, 2009 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

yea those spreadsheets dont project the lux level to be that low, like 1-2mil higher i think, and that still means not all 10mil of turk’s what if, would be contract would be tax penalized. not the first 1-3mil.

by derekk on Jun 30, 2009 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

If we brought back Hedo

We’d have the best starting five in the NBA, no question.

We’d also probably end up having the worst bench.

by eltharion_doa on Jun 30, 2009 2:04 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Meet J.J. Redick, your backup shooting guard AND small forward.

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by Ben Q Rock on Jun 30, 2009 5:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

shudder

Let's observe a moment of silence for CLee, Skip to my Lou, and Batman... *cry*

by malars on Jun 30, 2009 8:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

and where does Pietrus back up? :P Arguably the 4th best player in the playoffs

by derekk on Jun 30, 2009 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

He doesn't back anyone up. He's the starting small forward, at least for right now.

Otis said his next moves would be a PG and a big man. SF isn’t high on his priority list right now. Pencil MP in as opening-night SF for right now.

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by Ben Q Rock on Jun 30, 2009 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

everyone is forgettting we have a great starting quality SF/SG in MP. And signing a starter SF/PF only means Magic bolster depth putting MP as 6th Man of Magic

by derekk on Jun 30, 2009 12:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I feel we're still short a SF...

…and a backup center, of course. But the center just has to be a 10-12 MPG guy. The SF needs to be a level or two better than that, because of the high probability that Pietrus will miss at least some games during the upcoming season. I’d call the SF our top priority. And if the Magic want to go for Hedo, I’d be okay with that, though you know they probably don’t want to spend $10 million a year on anyone. But if they do end up shelling out $10 million a year to FAs, and Hedo’s not one of them, I’m going to be pretty mad.

I’m okay with point guards, honestly. Yeah, we need a third one, but whatever.

Yeah, and we broke your damn shot clock too.

by 3.3seconds on Jun 30, 2009 3:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

yea, im starting to see a need for a backup to MP more than dwight.

by derekk on Jun 30, 2009 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Magic Line-up, filling the holes

Great insight Magic fans…
First, I’m a Magic season ticket holder & this season was FANtastic. Second, I am a huge Vince Carter fan; I watched every possible Nets game on League Pass. Welcome home Vince; Go Magic! This team is more complete than we think; I’d love to see Hedo return, but the odds are against him.
Sign Marcin, he’s a great back-up to Dwight and provides the possibility of sometimes using the twin towers line-up. This, before signing others, is a solid 9 man rotation.

Jameer / AJ / Vince (VC Played a lot of point in NJ last year as both Devin Harris and
                                    Keyon Dooling missed time with injuries. Vince proved to be an
                                    outstanding pg)
Vince / JJ / Pietris
Rashard / Pietris / Vince
Ryan Anderson / Rashard (Ryan will create the same “stretch the floor” match-up
                                                problems that Rashard does)
Dwight / (Marcin is the player we need to resign; he really delivered this year)

by johnnyt20 on Jun 30, 2009 9:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Marcin has priced himself out of Orlando.

Otis can’t afford to pay Gortat a lot of money because he has to commit that money to filling out the roster. Ryan Anderson isn’t starting. For now, one has to pencil in Mickael Pietrus starting at the three spot.

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by erivera7 on Jun 30, 2009 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hi johnnyt20

Nice to meet ya, very cool to see a Magic and Nets/VC fan here. Gortat has too many teams interested to stay in Orlando for backup time :/
But interesting lineup, I like Anderson starting, he is promising, but perhaps not right away. Certainly an interesting train of thought but Pietrus would stand to lose some min.s and he’s been incredible in the playoffs and one of my favorite players.
Nice job pointing out that Vince could deftly handle PG duties quite very well actually. That eases some backup PG issues in my mind, Id rather spend alil more on backup bigs or Fs now.
Also, when I was looking at Carter’s last season game logs, his average of Assists is 4.7 (which is awesome and would be that part of his game Magic want most perhaps) but there was an unusual number of 2APG games with a mixture of an unusual number of 7-8 APG games and even quite a few 10-12+ APGs games I think, so that was kind of amazing to see. And I hope we see Vince strive to playmake to those levels, he has Dwight, Nelson, and Lewis to make sure its easy to do haha.

by derekk on Jun 30, 2009 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs