My thoughts on the "new" Orlando Magic
I had so many new thoughts on the team that I thought I would share them here as opposed to posting bits & fragments in the various threads that Ben Q & ER have already started on the main page.
On the Vinsanity trade. This is difficult. On one hand, there is the potential that it might not work. After all, Vinsanity is a certain kind of player, and he can't do everything that Turkoglu can. But, he can do much of what Turkoglu does do. He's a better shooter, and better passer than Turkoglu is. Truthfuly, I think they're ability to handle is about equal. I think the ability of Vinsanity to need the ball less may be the most important "fit" factor after it's all said & done.
I also think, while losing Courtney Lee is tough, it's also a way to move forward with a different type of need. This Magic team has a pretty unusual weakness overall when you consider Dwight Howard and his high rebounding numbers: The team is well below average everywhere, with regards to rebounding, on the team when you take out Howard or Gortat.
Vince Carter is a better boardman than Turk as well. So, while you're the Magic and you can get 80-90% of that production from Vinsanity (from last season say), you're likely to be better. Especially, as Ben Q noted earlier today, that you can expect a reasonable improvement from Ryan Anderson as well. (He's a local kid from the east suburbs of Sacramento. So, he's another reason for me to root for the Magic even though I'll always root for C-Lee too.)
So, it's very easy to see how not re-signing Turk could be a wise decision for the Magic here.
But, what about other deals?
One I would propose the Magic should consider is trading Hedo in a Sign & Trade to Portland for Travis Outlaw, and the rights to Victor Claver and Joel Freeland. It would be one way for Portland to get Hedo at a reduced cost without giving up all their cap room to sign another player. (It would also eliminate the cap holds that both those picks would have on their cap as well.)
For those who aren't aware of Freeland, he's a PF that Portland took with the 30th overall pick in 2006. He's coming along, but he's somewhere between a project and nearly as good as Fran Vazquez already. (Vazquez is one of the best bigs in the ACB right now.) And, he might be much more willing to come over for a smaller price than Vazquez currently is. Claver is a guy the Magic could afford to wait on as he's all upside and potential. It's not like Rashard Lewis can play forever, and it never hurts a franchise over the cap to worry about having a cap hold on a player oversea's developing for free.
What would it cost? Probably buying out Travis Outlaw (at a cheap price), or simply trading him away to a team with cap room. Memphis, for instance, is one of those teams. (They have coveted him, reportedly, in the past.) Any S&T that Portland does will mean they have to trade something away, and that could mean Outlaw and the rights to both players.
One way to settle the deal for Portland is to make this a 3 way deal with Memphis and trade them Outlaw and the rights to Petteri Koponen, along with doing the S&T for Hedo and giving Orlando the rights to both Claver and Freeland.
Will Blazer fans squawk? Absolutely. It's what they do. Some of them are convinced the Blazers have 12 All-Stars and 16 coming in the next 2 seasons. I think we all know better, and so do many of the more "honest" fans of any team. It's the way the NBA works.
The better question is can the Blazers sign Turkoglu by himself. Looking at their salary it's easy to see how you can be misled into believing why would the Blazers even do that? Because, after all, they have so many roster spots, and only so many players they can play. They don't lose a lot to do these deal's to get a player that could help them get closer to a championship.
Would the Magic do it? Would the Grizzlies? It's hard to say. It's a complicated maneuver that Portland has to work out because of being screwed by Darius Miles in that whole deal. The only reason for Portland to do it because they want to bring in another veteran (maybe Mike Bibby) and do so by offering him a small deal to come back to the West Coast. (I doubt Bibby is returning to Atlanta now.) This could allow them to offer several small deals to a few players out there. Plus, they have 3 draft picks they can put on the roster that they could allow to develop. (They like young players right?)
It probably won't happen because it would take the Blazers be willing to give up all those prospects to get Hedo, and it may take convincing Kevin Pritchard that it's worth giving up all these guys to get Hedo and settle their own roster. (Apparently Nate McMillan and Tom Penn had to convince Pritchard and Paul Allen to be less aggressive in acquiring young players.) Memphis might want more to acquire Outlaw, and because they have so much cap room, they can afford to be stingy. Orlando might not want to bother unless they can get some kind of guarantee that they won't be taking on salary for this season when they have so much already committed to the rest of the roster elsewhere.
But, like anything, we'll see. If not for the Magic, or any other team, it will be at the least a very interesting summer.
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Why should I pay attention to the words of a bandwagoning obsessive Kings fan?
:)
"Oh, get a job? Just get a job? Why don't I strap on my job helmet, and squeeze down into a job cannon and fire off into job land, where jobs grow on jobbies!"
by Marie on Jun 29, 2009 10:09 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You shouldn't :)
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by pookeyguru on Jun 29, 2009 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Too late, I already did
Don’t tell me not to value your opinion either, because it’s too late for that too…
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by Marie on Jun 29, 2009 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because it's not late for him to change sides
:)
by Dzogi on Jun 29, 2009 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes it is
But I can have a healthy rooting interest in the Magic. Sorta, like, umm, Marie. :P
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by pookeyguru on Jun 30, 2009 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hah,she's a Dallas fan,right? Y'all are from the West,LOL
As expected,no Cav’s or C’s fans supporting Magic.
by Dzogi on Jul 1, 2009 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am actually an Orlando resident and have lived here for most of my life :)
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How far must you go to gain respect? Um...
Well, it's kind of simple, just remain your own
Or you'll be crazy, sad and alone
by Marie on Jul 1, 2009 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is the difference
Where as I’m from Sacramento and that ties in my Kings rooting interests, I like Orlando’s team and choose to root them on that basis alone and nothing else.
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by pookeyguru on Jul 2, 2009 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I actually like the thought of a Hedo/Outlaw trade (along with the draft pick spare change)
Outlaw is a bench player that shoots the 3 at a pretty good clip (89-236 for 37.7%). He was also the “Hedo” of the Blazers in regards with 4th quarter shots. Plus his contract is at 4 million, so it isn’t at all unreasonable. My only beef with Outlaw is I have read that he tends to make bonehead decisions and frequently misses defensive assignments. Additionally, I have personal reasons in wanting Hedo in Portland.
I’m just surprised that you aren’t advocating trading Hedo to the Kings for a certain point guard that the Kings signed to a long term deal last season.
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by funny80sguy on Jun 29, 2009 11:30 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
LOL @ last sentence...
He sure wanted to,but then he guessed that we’re going to make fun of it
by Dzogi on Jun 29, 2009 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great thoughts, pookey.
Highly unlikely that a sign-and-trade occurs with Hedo Turkoglu, but you laid out the possibilities in a thorough manner. Well done. It’s clear that Otis is trying to fill out the roster. That’s his main priority.
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by erivera7 on Jun 29, 2009 5:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
there are alot of S/Ts out there to shore up some depth and save money.
i dont get why the Magic wouldnt S/T Turk to whereever he wants and is wanted? Makes sense, the incoming team gets Turk for nothing, Magic would want 2-3 cheap players to fill out thier roster, but maybe we could get 1 quality youngin in there or some nice future 1st rounders.
Portland is the most talked about but Im not so sure about Outlaw and Frye. I would like Blake tho, to shore up PG depth very nicely. Id rather involve a 3 way trade or another team that wants him and get a look at thier rosters. (Por has interest in A.Miller)
And I read from a rumors chat, that Utah has interest in Turk, they need a legit 3 like Turk would provide, not resign Korver prolly then. S/T Millsap to Orlando!! Resign Booz and Okur. Dwill, brewer, turk, booz, okur with ak47, miles, and maynor is a scay starting 5 maybe better than orlando actually with good depth. turk and booz are in their primes to push D-Will to a ship. Makes sense, they alrdy did WCF once, and now every1 is healthy again and Turk is added.
Millsap would be a future cornerpiece for Orlando if he and Dwight can fit in just fairly well atleast, b.c. the defense an hustle would be the best in league.
by derekk on Jun 29, 2009 5:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Blake to Orlando wouldn't make much sense.
.. the Magic just need a third-string point guard. Nothing more.
Millsap wouldn’t be involved in a sign-and-trade. Utah is expected to re-sign him. It’s unlikely that Boozer and Okur come back .. either of the two players may. No one will know until free agency starts. I like Paul but he wouldn’t really be a good fit for Orlando. All the spacing would be eliminated with him on offense.
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by erivera7 on Jun 29, 2009 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yea the spacing would be an issue, but if they work it out, itll be the 4-5 of the league. and boozer would have to force the issue by opting in like he said he might, but yea, alot of holes and what ifs. its a potential idea.
by derekk on Jun 29, 2009 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you’re right about the depth issues tho, we dont need blake, its more insurance than the other depth needs. and id rather resign Turk over Millsap like most other players. So itd have to be like Turk demands 12mil and Millsap nets a 8-9mil deal.
I still like G. Davis and Linas for MLE is intriguing. Magic would only need one backup C/PF after that for vets min. But i think i like Dice or Bass more too anyways lol. its just a idea hehe.
by derekk on Jun 29, 2009 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
denver would be hard kept to resign Linas Kleizas, and he doesnt fit in as great over there. he still played surprsingly well in these last playoffs and is only 24. he is a fairly decent shooter and 3pntshooter as well as a defender. Hes an excellent driver who doesnt overdo it either, and in this market can only command a MLE at most it may seem. He may also potentially be a better fit at the hybrid 4 spot than Lewis.
anoher interesting idea has been resigning grant hill who played mostly injury free at Pho and at a fairly high level. he is more of a starter guy b.c. thats how he likes to get into rhythmn he says, but at this age he may be rdy to be a sub, or would be fine with starting and only playing 10-20 min.s giving MP the majority of the time at 3. His High IQ is a good fit in the starters lineup, altho I think MP may still be best starting now too. bringing back bogans for cheap is another good idea, he has been playing well.
by derekk on Jun 29, 2009 6:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hill could be an option, but the Magic have more pressing needs.
Signing Bass and Wallace would set the rotation, for the most part. All Otis would have to do, at that point, would be to sign a Mike Wilks-type at point guard just for insurance. No room for Grant, then.
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by erivera7 on Jun 29, 2009 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Check that, there could be room for Grant depending on how the finances work out.
.. and if he’s willing to accept the veteran’s minimum, given the team will be tight on money.
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by erivera7 on Jun 29, 2009 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
As I noted below
If Grant does that, more than half of his salary will be picked up by the NBA front office. That’s why so many teams do that.
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by pookeyguru on Jun 30, 2009 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Please no Grant Hill….I can’t take anymore of him in Orlando. Great guy personally, but please no =P
by Rebounder on Jun 29, 2009 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Question:
Would it at all be feasible to pick up Bogans (again)? He knows the system, can play solid defense at times, and could give us some insurance and depth at the 2 guard. It just scares the hell out of me that Redick is the backup 2 guard as our roster stands right now, unless Shard moves back to the three which would open up Peaches to back up both the 2 and 3. Thoughts?
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by malars on Jun 29, 2009 10:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It's possible, sure.
He’d have to be content with minimal money, though.
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by erivera7 on Jun 29, 2009 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, yeah, but despite being traded away twice, we did bring him back once and traded for him on draft day, and I'm sure he feels comfortable here and would be willing to take minimum $ for a chance at a ring.
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by malars on Jun 29, 2009 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A valid point.
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by erivera7 on Jun 29, 2009 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yea i think about bringing bogans back, but he’d have to actually be JJ insurance because JJ was fine enough last season. hes still young unlike bogans, it stands to reason Magic will play him alot b.c. he is not much of a liability anymore and has the potential to be much better. Whereas Bogans is only insurance or for defensive reasons, hes better defensively, and can still knock down those 3s.
by derekk on Jun 29, 2009 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I suppose Bogans makes sense, but only for the minimum (or a hair above it, like A.J. got last year)
by Ben Q Rock on Jun 30, 2009 6:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What did he make last year compared to the what AJ got?
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by malars on Jun 30, 2009 8:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like KBo but the team has more pressing needs.
Big man, first .. then a wing man, then a third point guard.
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by erivera7 on Jun 30, 2009 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, I know, just weighing options at this point leading up to tomorrow and the beginning of FA.
We have 5 roster spots to fill…
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by malars on Jun 30, 2009 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You have to remember too Ben
The NBA front office also paid part of AJ’s salary so the actual part of what AJ got paid is closer to 750K from the front office. That’s one reason NBA teams love signing veteran players at such low prices.
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by pookeyguru on Jun 30, 2009 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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