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  • Orlando Magic Press Conference: Vince Carter, Otis Smith, Stan Van Gundy, and Bob Vander Weide Speak
    In case you missed it earlier, check out the transcript of Vince Carter's press conference, where he, Stan Van Gundy, Otis Smith, and Bob Vander Weide answered questions for the media.

  • Magic acquire Vince Carter from Nets; Hedo return unlikely
    Brian Schmitz recaps last night's press conference for Vince Carter.

  • Magic swing for the fences, looking to succeed today, not tomorrow
    George Diaz notes that the Orlando Magic are going for it all, with the trade. 

  • Area legend Vince Carter coming home
    Josh Robbins notes that Mainland High School, Carter's alma mater, is buzzing over the return of their former local star. Excitement abounds. 

  • Where Will Hedo Turkoglu Call Home?
    Tom Ziller of NBA FanHouse wonders aloud, with Vince's arrival, where Hedo Turkoglu may be heading in free agency and lists several suitors for him.

  • Vince Carter Thrilled to Come Home
    Tim Povtak of NBA FanHouse elaborates on VC's arrival to Orlando. 

  • Nets Agree to Send Vince Carter to Magic
    Bethlehem Shoals of the Baseline chimes in on the Magic trade.

    We've been hearing for a while that Vince would like to play out his career in Orlando, since it's effectively his hometown team. Putting him on the Magic certainly gives them more offense, as if they needed any, and a slasher—I mean, a guy who when he chooses to can be among the best in the league at slashing. And who isn't getting any younger. Maybe this means they really wanted to get Alston out of town, since in the past (and possibly in the Finals) Nelson hasn't responded well to competition. And this would seem to suggest that Courtney Lee was not, in fact, their SG of the future.
  • Vince Carter trade puts Orlando Magic in NBA's upper crust
    John Hollinger of ESPN.com elaborates on the move:

    As for the Magic, this ends up being a cheaper option than re-signing Turkoglu, because they dropped about $13 million in salaries to pick up $17 million from the Nets. Presumably, Orlando will now let him walk as a free agent and promote Mickael Pietrus to the starting small forward spot, with J.J. Redick becoming the sixth man. The Magic can use some of the savings to re-sign Gortat, whose presence becomes more important now that Battie is gone.

    Additionally, don't sleep on Anderson. A 6-foot-10 forward who shot 36.5 percent on 3-pointers as a rookie, he is a perfect fit for Orlando's system of spacing the floor with shooters around center Dwight Howard.

    The deal leaves Orlando a bit thinner on the bench; Anthony Johnson will go back to being the primary backup to Jameer Nelson at the point after not playing a minute in the NBA Finals, and at the moment only eight Magic players are under contract for next season.

    But if this nucleus is as good as it looks on paper, the Magic should have an easy time convincing veterans to come to sunny, tax-free Florida on minimum contracts to chase a ring -- much as Boston did two years ago by acquiring Sam Cassell and P.J. Brown late in the year.

    And what a team it promises to be. Carter is a much better player than Turkoglu: Carter is deadlier on the drive and more potent from outside, and he's a better defender to boot. The Magic can put out a starting lineup of four All-Stars and Pietrus, and the amazing shooting ability should not only open space for Howard but provide plenty of creases for Carter as well.

    For his part, Carter should be ecstatic about the deal: Not only is he a native of the Orlando area, but he is likely to nearly double his win total from a year ago and, as an added plus, should save about $1 million this year in taxes alone. [...]

    For the Magic, "championship contender" hardly seems to do them justice now. With a scary-good starting five that appears to rival that of any team in recent NBA history, they're at worst co-favorites with Cleveland and L.A. heading into next season.
  • The Nets send Vince Carter to Orlando
    Kelly Dwyer of Ball Don't Lie tosses in his two cents on the deal:

    Suddenly, out of nowhere, the Orlando Magic have options. Options! 

    The team is about to acquire Vince Carter and Ryan Andereson for the pittance of Rafer Alston, Courtney Lee, and Tony Battie. Big talent, without giving up too much. [...]

    For Orlando, they get a hometown product who is still a formidable contributor (nearly at an All-Star level) even at the age of 32. Sure, nobody has liked Vince Carter since 2002 or so, but that's not the point. The point is that Orlando made a huge upgrade without giving much up. Lee is a fine player, but he'll never be a star, and Carter's all-around offensive game is exactly what the league's 11th-best offense needed.

    Best, it gives the team a little leeway in negotiations with free agent Hedo Turkoglu. Though Carter is one of the better passing wing players in the game, he isn't a point forward, but he isn't bad either. And the Magic might not need to keep Turkoglu if he gets a ridiculous offer from a team like the Portland Trail Blazers. Just slide Mickael Pietrus into the small forward slot, start Carter, and continue apace. Hell, Anderson will be a starting-quality forward in two years.

    The move puts Orlando a little under the luxury tax level with Carter's salary added, and without Turkoglu or restricted free agent Marcin Gortat on board. Signing either to a reasonable deal would put the Magic into the tax bracket, but the team has already patted itself on the back by announcing that it would pay the tax, so you have to figure one or both players will be back.

BQR here. Make the jump to read what everyone else is saying about the deal:

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  • New Jersey Nets trade Vince Carter to Orlando Magic
    Dave D'Alessandro of The Star-Ledger has the perspective of Nets GM Rod Thorn, who insists this trade was not a salary dump. He also digs up a less-than-complimentary quote from Smith about Carter from two years ago.

  • Draft Day Quick Thoughts
    Sebastian Pruiti of Nets Are Scorching will miss Carter, but admits the trade will benefit his favorite team ...

    It was real sad to see Vince leave [...] but it is the right move for the future of the team. I would have liked to see us make one more run at the playoffs, but doing that could have meant us not getting as much value for Vince, and it would have completely ruined our small (very small) chances at LeBron [James].

    An Open Letter To Vince Carter
    ..and writes a nice open letter for VC.

    [...] once you landed in New Jersey, you put all of my concerns at ease. Not playing hard? I haven’t seen you take a play off your entire Nets’ career. The injuries? I thought we were getting a broken down star when you came, but you only missed missed 11 games in your four years here. The selfishness? Despite being paired with two other "stars" you didn’t butt-heads with either, and in the end, you were the last one standing. Heck, when Lawrence Frank decided to go to the dribble drive offense to showcase Devin Harris more, you didn’t make a peep. You just played the best basketball of his career. The failures in the clutch? I couldn’t be more comfortable having anyone else taking the shot at the end. Just look at that game against Toronto this year.

    The thing that impressed me the most about you this past season was how you were a professional through everything. Playing hard even though we were out of (realistically rather than mathematically) playoff contention, through the trade rumors, and through the shift in offensive philosophy. It’s going to be strange not seeing you do your pull-up on the net before the games. It is going to be strange not seeing all of the Vince Carter jerseys walking the tunnel to and in the stadium. Most of all, it is going to be strange not hearing our PA Announcer screaming "VC3″ after a big three-point bucket.
  • Twitter / Dwight Howard
    Magic center Dwight Howard isn't in the mood to discuss the trade, due to the recent death of Michael Jackson:

    today isnt a good day to talk about trades. really not. im sorry.

  • Here's why the trade for Vince Carter was a good one
    Zach McCann of Orlando Magic Daily lists 5 reasons what the Carter trade will make the Magic better.

  • Do you see VC? In Orlando!
    Doug Smith of The Toronto Star says both the Nets and the Magic are better off after this trade, and makes this prediction:

    Carter, at home, with Dwight Howard to be The Man and Jameer Nelson back and healthy, will have an excellent season next year.

    In the comments section, he notes that Carter shouldn't have any trouble being Dwight's second banana, saying, "It's easier [than being the first option] and doing the easy thing is something he does well."

  • Draft grades: Evaluating every team
    Chad Ford of ESPN.com appraises the Magic in this way when doling out draft grades. Orlando, which did not have a selection in either round, earned an "N/A" from Ford.

    The deal was a home run for the Magic. Carter is a huge improvement for the Magic at the 2, and believe it or not, according to John Hollinger's PER, Anderson had a better rookie year than Lee did.

    The Magic needed to up the ante after the Cavs traded for Shaq and they did it in a big way. If they can find a way to re-sign Hedo Turkoglu, they'll be the clear favorites in the East.

  • You can pre-order your Vince Carter Orlando Magic jersey at OrlandoMagicShop.com
    Note that he still hasn't picked a uniform number. He's worn #15 throughout his career, which is the number Turkoglu wears in Orlando. In the interests of political correctness, the jersey which the Magic presented to him at last night's news conference was also devoid a number, but did have his last name.

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How is VC's defense nowadays?

I am a little worried if we have to slot AirFrance into the starting SF spot. I’m not sure I really like him there. We really need to sign a true PF imho, and move Lewis over to the SF spot. Then bring in AirFrance off the bend for either SG/SF.

by Ahillock on Jun 26, 2009 10:18 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Magic don't need a true PF to start. Just one that can come off the bench.

.. the roster is fine, as is. No need to makeshift the starting lineup, it’s unnecessary.

Vince Carter’s defense:
- adj. defensive plus/minus: +6.11
- opponent PER: 16.6 vs. SG’s
- net defensive plus/minus: +5.6
- eFG% allowed: 51.3%

Not good, but I think what’s a glimmer of hope is that Carter’s opponent PER is okay, which means opponents aren’t scoring on him at will. The defense for the New Jersey Nets last year was awful, so that hurts Vince’s statistics too .. you have to figure him moving to the best defensive team (according to defensive efficiency) in the NBA will pay dividends, as it has for the other players on the squad.

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by erivera7 on Jun 26, 2009 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

I actually think that this trades was awesome because of Ryan Anderson. He fits the system perfectly. He is a good 3pt shooter and will keep the floor spread out for dwight to dominate the paint. I dont see how we are loosing in this trade. Yea we might loose turk but we are gaining a HALL OF FAMER with at least 3 years left in the tank and a good young forward. Not to mention that we still “might” get turk and if not hopefully we can at least bring back the polish hammer!!!!!!!

by qbinfin on Jun 26, 2009 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Honestly I don't know much about Ryan Anderson and his skill level.

But if the Magic aren’t willing to sign another PF, then I wouldn’t mind seeing if he can make the starting lineup. Since it seems like he can actually hit jump shots that is a real upgrade. Hopefully he can play physical down low and rebound.

by Ahillock on Jun 26, 2009 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Anderson is a good young player ..

.. but he isn’t starting. Otis is planning on signing another big man to add the roster, but it won’t be to start that guy. It’s for the intention of backing up Dwight and spotting him minutes.

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by erivera7 on Jun 26, 2009 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm counting out Gortat.

.. it seems unlikely he comes back.

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by erivera7 on Jun 28, 2009 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Even though he said he'd like to stay?

I know you’re aware of that,just saying. Crap,I really like him,and I believed he’ll stay after VC trade.

by Dzogi on Jun 29, 2009 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Can't afford him.

I’m sure Otis will try but I can’t see something working out.

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by erivera7 on Jun 29, 2009 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Same for Hedo.

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by erivera7 on Jun 29, 2009 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed,too.

But it would be just great if we had a strong PF to change the style and the lineup sometimes.

by Dzogi on Jun 26, 2009 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's not necessary.

.. the Magic can have a strong PF that suits to the needs of the team (McDyess, Wallace, etc).

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by erivera7 on Jun 26, 2009 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think if you are planning on starting Pietrus at SF, you need a true PF.

Having Howard down low by himself can only take you so far as the Lakers showed. Put Lewis at SF where he belongs and bring in another body. Then bring Pietrus off the bench.

by Ahillock on Jun 26, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Missing the point

What makes the Magic so deadly is the fact that Howard is surrounded by 4 shooters at all times. Lewis is the key to that. Putting him at SF and inserting a traditional PF—like Battie, for instance—makes the Magic too conventional. Then they’re just another good team with a good center and good wing players.

But put Lewis on the wing, as a PF? Force the defense to adjust to his presence, and that of 3 other shooters, and that of Howard? Yeah, that’s what makes the Magic go.

by Ben Q Rock on Jun 26, 2009 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You seem .. too adamant about wanting Rashard playing SF.

.. that’s not what makes the Magic an elite, title contending team.

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by erivera7 on Jun 26, 2009 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Having slept on it...and looked at the stats

I’m definitely coming around and getting excited. Of course I will miss Courtney (and you know I’ll miss Hedo if that’s the way it goes down) but 4 All Stars? Ri-dic-ulous!

by Stan in a Van (Down by the River) on Jun 26, 2009 10:36 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

There's no gaps in the starting lineup.

.. just need to fill out the roster, which Otis is working on doing.

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by erivera7 on Jun 26, 2009 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I never said you .. said that, hah.

I’m just stating that Otis is working to complete the roster, accordingly.

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by erivera7 on Jun 26, 2009 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So Turk is gone...

I’m wondering if theres any team that thinks he really is worth 11m. His inconsistency is very scary.

by Kennedy K on Jun 26, 2009 11:00 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I've read some places...

That Portland will offer him 5 years/$55 Million

by ggrant on Jun 26, 2009 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Let him have it.

If he gets it,though. I think he’s worth a lot,but how much? Noone can tell,things have gone somewhere with that players’ earnings.

by Dzogi on Jun 26, 2009 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Portland may be the #1 team that goes after Hedo.

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by erivera7 on Jun 26, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sportscenter...

Claimed Detroit is going after him, saying the had the “big bucks” to pay him.

by Kennedy K on Jun 26, 2009 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I guess that's an option. I know the Pistons have money ..

.. thing is, the Blazers are clearly the better option.

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by erivera7 on Jun 26, 2009 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well I guess if we have to lose Hedo (but I really hope Devos decides to just say "nuts to it" in regards to the lux tax and resigns Hedo) . . .

It would be cool to have him in Portland. It would make it a lot easier for me to become a bandwagon Blazers fan and go to a few games other than the one time the Magic visit.

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by funny80sguy on Jun 26, 2009 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not gonna happen.

Devos’ll go into lux,but just because he has to. I’m 99.9 % sure that he won’t spend 10 M$ for a single player now,call him Turk or whatever.

by Dzogi on Jun 26, 2009 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

DeVos will dip into the tax ..

.. but like I said, he’s not going knee-deep.

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by erivera7 on Jun 26, 2009 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Are you hiking on some of the mountain trails or just hanging out in the town and cities?

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by funny80sguy on Jun 26, 2009 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Peru? That's cool.

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by erivera7 on Jun 26, 2009 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

that's pretty tight man,

my family is from peru. are up in cuzco/macchu picchu?

by coque429 on Jun 26, 2009 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

not to be a bitch

but the dude was a governor, and yes peru is in south america but the dude went to argentina

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by first half surge on Jun 26, 2009 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah Stan, how dare you make any sort of mistake about anything ever ? :)

It’s not like you’re human or anything.

Detras de ti, imbecil.

by Diosnomeama on Jun 27, 2009 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know all the talk is about Carter, which is warranted

but we also picked up a guy who fits in perfect with our system. Give me Ryan Anderson over Tony Battie anyday. Unlike Battie, he’s gonna make that long range two. This is a great trade. I tip my hat to Otis.

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by magic fanatic on Jun 26, 2009 11:59 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, that's an underrated aspect of the trade that not many people are talking about.

Losing Courtney Lee is tough, but the Magic lessen that blow by getting Ryan Anderson.

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by erivera7 on Jun 26, 2009 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This guy gets it.
John Hollinger of ESPN.com elaborates on the move:

SVG is the perfect coach for VC. Now we turn out attention to free agency. Who do we sign? With Ryan Anderson is Dice still a target? I think we could use another scorer off the bench.

Von Wafer
Matt Barnes
Rodney Carney
Brandon Bass

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by Wmillion on Jun 26, 2009 12:19 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Doubt any of those guys are realistic signings (maybe one of them, I don't know).

Have to think on a smaller scale … money will be extremely tight, at this point.

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by erivera7 on Jun 26, 2009 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Back to the drawing board.. I'll be back.

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by Wmillion on Jun 26, 2009 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ok..

Dahntay Jones-good D
Quinton Ross-solid with the clips
Damon Jones-spot shooter
Maurice Ager-a body
Robert Swift -7 footer who had a bunch talent out of high school
Ronnie Price-a body

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by Wmillion on Jun 26, 2009 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ross maybe. Nobody else really appeals to me.

Jones is a solid defender, but a 0 on offense. Jones? Has-been. Ager? Does not belong in NBA. Swift? Probably doesn’t belong in NBA, although injuries have certainly held him back. Price? Don’t think Utah would part with him, short as they are on young talent.

by Ben Q Rock on Jun 26, 2009 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Of course the list doesn't appeal

This are C grade talent, but that is why we can afford them. I put up a list of better players and erivera7 said we couldn’t afford them.

But, I will say this every player on that list could possibly help this team. Especially Damon and Dahantay. I think Ross would be a great fit.

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by Wmillion on Jun 26, 2009 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You have to think of veterans .. like McDyess, Wallace, etc.

None of those guys you listed would be realistic fits for the Magic.

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by erivera7 on Jun 26, 2009 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I disagree

We have no shot a Sheed. I would love Dice though.

I think some of those guys can help, can you say Shannon Brown? Happens all of time.

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by Wmillion on Jun 26, 2009 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No shot at 'Sheed?

Hmm .. care to recant? Hah.

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by erivera7 on Jun 28, 2009 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dahntay has the best leg whip in the NBA.

Life's too short. Be a fan. Magic, Cards and Rays! What a winning combo.

by hevchv on Jun 26, 2009 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

great athlete

Who knows on a good team?

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by Wmillion on Jun 26, 2009 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Being an athlete means nothing if he isn't a good fit for the team.

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by erivera7 on Jun 26, 2009 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He is a bench player maybe 8 or 9 off the bench

You aren’t finding Jesus Shuttlesworth for what we are offering..

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by Wmillion on Jun 26, 2009 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You can still find the right fit, if you look hard enough.

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by erivera7 on Jun 28, 2009 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Off-topic Q for Eddy:

Do you know anything about Milovan Rakovic? He should play for Orlando in summer league as far as i know.
Any chance of letting him through,being short on a roster and all?

by Dzogi on Jun 26, 2009 12:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I won't lie. I haven't heard that name before.

I .. doubt he’d be on the roster for the Magic. Sorry.

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by erivera7 on Jun 26, 2009 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sure,no biggie.

Here’s the thing: in our paper called “sport” was an article named “orlando wants rakovic”.
He played in Spartak from Sankt Petersburg,and they say he’s in Orlando now awaiting summer league’s start as a Magic player. According to paper,Magic drafted him 2 yrs ago,and he has realistic chance of playing in the NBA. I assumed there was something wrong,just wanted to check.
I can’t believe what are we forced to buy/read/accept. Crap.

by Dzogi on Jun 26, 2009 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hmmm

He was actually drafted by the Mavs as the last pick of the ‘07 draft, then traded to the Magic with cash (why? I don’t remember anything about it…).

So I guess we probably still have his rights unless we renounced them when he went back to Russia to play.

He’s a 24 year old, 6’10" 280lbs center. Supposed to be athletic with good ball handling abilities, and a hard worker. Not a big scorer. If he’s coming over to play with the summer league team, he’s probably a really, really long shot to make the final roster as a deep backup at C.

by eltharion_doa on Jun 27, 2009 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What is Memphis thinking

Q Rich Really? For a big?

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by Wmillion on Jun 26, 2009 12:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, but when that big is Darko . . .

Can you blame them? He’s gone through 3 teams by now and he has only disappointed.

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by funny80sguy on Jun 26, 2009 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Q Rich is a bad fit.

Can’t be happy going to a bottom 5 team and he will see limited minutes.

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by Wmillion on Jun 26, 2009 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He isn't there to fit with the team ..

.. he has an early termination option this coming season.

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by erivera7 on Jun 26, 2009 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's sunk in ..

And I’m not as unhappy with this trade as I was initially. IT sucks to loose Lee since I really had a big man-crush on the kid.

The offensive system changes, which will be interesting to see if Stan can integrate elements of the triangle, like he mentioned earlier this month. A pick and roll with Vince and Dwight, with the option of Vince just throwing down or pulling up if Dwight can’t open himself up, is a nice prospect to think about. I just hope Vince doesn’t slip into his jack-it-up mode too often and works within the offensive sets Stan runs for the team. He’ll get his touches and great looks, he doesn’t need to force anything any longer.

Anderson is a bit of an unknown quantity for me in this equation. The noises coming from various commentators are encouraging and he could become a solid role player and his outside touch is probably going to get better being surrounded by shooters like Lewis, Nelson and an eternal supply of Better Basketball DVDs from JJ.

I say, losing Lee is the bit that really put a huge downer on this trade for me. I’m not that bothered about losing Alston, since he showed himself to be a bit if a whiny bitch and really lost his composure at the worst times, and I prefer the Jameer/No-Neck rotation at PG. Battie was a pretty pointless player and a horrible piece of business by this franchise. Him leaving just magnifies Gortat’s role, which hopefully means he’ll stick around and back Dwight up and get extended minutes at PF.

Hopefully we can trade for/sign a starting-calibre PF as I’m not really all that psyched about having Pietrus starting at SF if Lewis sticks at PF.

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by big aaron on Jun 26, 2009 1:10 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Couldn't agree more with your last sentence. That it it on the head. Pietrus at SF with Lewis at PF does not

get me all that psyched either. Lets sign a real PF, and put Lewis at the SF where I think he belongs. We need another big body down low with Howard and can play aggressive. We don’t need 4 guys out beyond the arc the whole game. Put a Rasheed type player down low with Howard, and leave Lewis, VC, Nelson to roam around the perimeter.

by Ahillock on Jun 26, 2009 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

For the last time, Lewis is NOT going to play SF.

No offense, but you sound like a broken record … I’m not going to repeat what I or Ben have said about what makes having Rashard Lewis at the 4 means for the Orlando Magic, because you don’t get it.

Sorry for being frank, but it is what it is.

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by erivera7 on Jun 26, 2009 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol just because SVG said he wouldn't doesn't mean it's the final word

… we saw him go back on his word, time and time again, you say what’s in the moment. SVG is saying he won’t play the 3, why? Well, because there isn’t a legitimate 4 on this team right now. If the team were to pick up a legitimate 4, things would change and SVG would change his stance. In fact, I bet if you go through the archives, you can probably find a few posts of you and/or Ben saying Rashard is a better fit and more dangerous at the 3. It’s not a big deal if people want to discuss what-ifs, so SVG said currently he’s not moving from the 4, we understand.

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by DieSlowKeyshawn on Jun 26, 2009 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yea, but

im looking at it, and if you have 5 spots to fill with just around 3.6mil space before lux tax territory, why would magic gamble on sheed for 6-9mil, and not just get Turk for 9-11 instead? financially its not really possible, u just wont get much profits with turk resigned, why sign a legit, good fit 4 for a pretty similar number. the Magic braintrust and ownership will look at the financial numbers they lose as they go deeper and deeper in lux, and right now it seems turk was a ceiling they didnt want to reach in tax, so they will go into tax with bi annuals and min. salary players, maybe maybe a 3-4 mil player for one of the last 5 spots. another reason is that VC is going to be a really good PR player, PR being one of Magic’s bread and butter offense plays with 2 SF’s/1 C lineup, he wont have Turks 6-10 height (VC is 6-6), but VC is a clutcher, better shooter, and a much better driver. His 5 APG last season stands to improve I would guess, and the PR play will end up with VC passing into Dwight and Rashard so much. The two 610 fowards are gone, but Lewis was the better one overall, and leaving him at 4 will not change the Magic at all. Everyone just play 48min of defense, and integrate everyone unselfishly, I dont think VC will have a problem w/ that look how NJN misses his tough play and maturity and how bad VC wants a ring for his HOF resume.

by derekk on Jun 26, 2009 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Stan is playing the offense the same way, he alrdy said so. Vince will be the new crinkle to the offense thatll put it over the top. Expect Lewis at 4, and MP at 3 playing the other teams best player at 2 or 3. Vince will do PRs and plays, play off the ball, shoot great, and is slashing is a new crinkle to the Magic offense that;ll all put it over the top. That said, there is alot of summer left, but if the Magic dont resign Turk, then they wouldnt get anything close to his price either. and try to stay as low in the tax as possible. I think the Magic are my favorites for the title period. Great Trade, there;ll be no lag from repeating to the Finals like most teams historically do, and Vince will easily make it work.

by derekk on Jun 26, 2009 2:09 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

And check these out:
Vince’s top 10 dunks of all time (also some of these are possibly of any player all time, yeah, that good) :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzXXWVqpwWo

Vince’s top 10 plays of 2009 last season, Notice the clutcness Ben Q showed in an earlier post:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTI-z0j9J-g

by derekk on Jun 26, 2009 2:13 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

He's a beast.

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by erivera7 on Jun 26, 2009 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The second clip is from this year.

Old my arse, dude still got it.

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by hevchv on Jun 26, 2009 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

LMAO

Yea I like the second clip the most too, shows his clutch shooting and all the plays are from last season 2009.

by derekk on Jun 26, 2009 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm going to state my piece real quick.

.. the more I think about the trade, the more it makes sense. Having Vince Carter around for two years, minimum, creates flexibility for the Orlando Magic in the future. Instead of re-signing Hedo Turkoglu to a long-term contract, the team gets a guy in VC who is better and can contribute in the current window of opportunity.

Losing Courtney Lee sucks, but the Magic can’t wait for him to develop. Orlando wants to win now and it only makes sense acquiring a guy of Vince’s caliber, who can step in and upgrade the shooting guard position. What Orlando loses with Turkoglu it gains with Carter and additionally, Pietrus is more than capable of starting at the 3. Certainly the bench takes a little hit, but the starting lineup improves as a result of the trade.

Eliminating Rafer Alston opens up things again for Jameer Nelson. Eliminating Tony Battie allows the Magic to upgrade the position (Ryan Anderson) and get under Batt-man’s contract ($6.2 million). A win-win, IMO.

Adding Vince Carter is great because he’s going to be motivated (don’t underestimate this factor). Why? He’s going to play in his hometown, going to play for a title for the first time in his career, and the pressure isn’t on him to be “the guy”. Dwight Howard is the leader of this team, VC is just there to help him and everyone else.

There’s a number of external factors that make this trade .. excellent, in my opinion. I didn’t like the move at first because it, to be honest, blindsided me, but thinking about it, the deal (although risky) makes sense.

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by erivera7 on Jun 26, 2009 3:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

One thing I have to admit that I love about Otis

He has blindsided me with trades twice now. I didn’t expect that Rafer Alston trade at all, and this Vince Carter one came out of nowhere. There wasn’t even a sniffle of this trade during the week. It’s like receiving an awesome gift for Christmas that you didn’t even know you wanted but suddenly realize that it is the best present you have ever received. Otis Smith is now my Santa Claus (dad/mom).

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by funny80sguy on Jun 26, 2009 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Proud of you E.

Looking at the style of speech and word choice, I can usually tell who wrote a comment before I read the name. This one blindsided me. I actually agreed word for word with everything in this comment. That rarely happens, especially for such an indepth argument. Well done my friend and great job at the presser. Just to be there means you are making big moves. You and Ben.

O.K. enough with the mooshy stuff. Back to riding you for your comments.

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by hevchv on Jun 26, 2009 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Indeed.

My first reaction was “I can’t believe this”,but now I’m into it,too.
Although,it’s easy for us to find bright sides in moves that affect Orlando Magic,cause we tend to do so,lol.
Yes,Great move,everything’s here,contract length,motivation,salaries,etc.
I eagerly await further Otis’ decisions this summer.
While we worried about Hedo,he came up with this,dealt 2 flies with 1 blow. Congratulations.
clap-clap-clap-clap-clap-clap-clap

by Dzogi on Jun 26, 2009 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

A few comments from a die hard lakers fan

The only reason i hit up this board was to gauge how you Magic fans are reacting to the VC news. From what i can see the reaction is a bit mixed. I have some comments from someone who “should” be unbiased in his thinking regarding the magic.

1) Courtney Lee. I see that you guys all have an emotional attachment to this guy. If you can put aside your emotions for a bit, you will see that this is no big loss for you guys. In my mind Lee was your absolute WEAK spot on defense. I cannot believe that all you guys think that this guy was some sort of “defensive stopper.” He is too small to play defense on SG. Do you guys remember the first game of the finals when Lee was absolutely murdered —of course by Kobe because everyone is murdered by him, but even by bench players such as Luke Walton. When Walton takes advantage of you in the post then you’re not a good defensive stopper, believe me. If you want to talk about trading mistakes then you guys need to move back 2 years when SVG traded Trever Ariza for Cook, lol. I just don’t know how to thank you enough since without Ariza, my lakers would have had 0% chance of winning the championship. And for Cook? The guy cannot PLAY on one of the worst teams in the league. Lucky for you guys, the Lee trade is not damaging and cannot possibly even be considered in the same league as trading Ariza (or Wallace and Billups for that matter, as another poster mentioned).

2) Hedo vs VC. This is where you guys royally messed up. It’s not that VC is such a bad guy or a bad player —it’s just that he is not a winner. He doesn’t have the mentality to be a winner. Let’s face it, physically this guy had all the tools. Could you tell the difference physically between VC or T. Mgrady or Kobe or Lebron? Well, maybe Lebron cause he is just a pure beast, but let’s just assume that those 4 guys were born with basically the same physical traits. Two on that list are losers and will always be losers while two on that list are winners and will always be winners. It is due to work ethic and mental toughness. Of course you guys hate Kobe, but the guy is clutch. He is a leader. When you’re on his team, it gives you the confidence that you will win because he is there. It’s like you’re in a school yard fight between two groups, but you got that bad ass m-fther on your side. VC does not have the work ethic or mental toughness. Now what about Hedo? The guy was given no physical attributes when compared to Kobe or Lebron. Yet he has the mental toughness and the high basketball IQ (he still may be lacking the work ethic). Hedo is clutch. Just ask yourself who would you rather have on your team Rashard or Hedo? I’d rather have hedo, and yet you won’t pay him HALF of what Hedo is asking for?

3) Phil Jackson vs Stan van Gundy. Shaq called SVG the master of panic, while everyone knows that Jackson is the coolest calmest person in the gym. The master of panic of SVG costs his teams confidence. Kobe and Phil Jackson are like the bad ass m-fthers in the fight. They just give everyone else around them confidence. While SVG does not. This move by Otis Smith stinks of master of panic. This was a panic move, pure and simple. Look, the Magic are the second best team in basketball —-and this is without your STARTING all-star point guard Jameer Nelson. This same exact team back next year, with a healthy Jameer and an even BETTER Dwight Howard, would be a tough tough tough team to beat. When you have such great chemistry and such a great team, why get rid of your second best player in hedo, and your starting rookie SG? Bring the team back and they will once again represent the east in the finals! Don’t bring them back and well….who knows, but my bet is now on the Cavs or Celtics meeting my Lakers in the finals next year.

by plyka on Jun 26, 2009 11:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

You are the weakest link.

Good-bye!

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by hevchv on Jun 26, 2009 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just a few thoughts

Lee’s size (6’05") isn’t bad, but Kobe, Walton, etc were able to shoot over him. That’s unfortunate, but in terms of technique, Lee’s an excellent defender. Remember he held Kobe to 4 points on 1-of-7 shooting in teh 4th quarter in the Magic’s 106-103 win over the Lakers in December, and D-Wade to 0 points on 0-for-3 in the 4th quarter of a January win over Miami. He has great instincts. Taller players score over shorter players all the time. It’s not the sign of a bad defender.

The “Carter as a loser” angle is overplayed. Three things to consider here: first, he’s never played on a team as talented as the Magic are now. Second, he’s never played with a decent center, but now he joins the best young big man in the game. Third, he’s playing for a championship, in the waning years of his career, for his hometown team. I was at the news conference last night, and I have a fairly good BS detector. Carter wasn’t playing lip service to Orlando/Daytona Beach when he talked about how happy he is to be here. I can vouch for that. This is a guy with a lot of pride, and a lot of talent. Now if he mails it in here, doesn’t give his best effort, than he deserves all the criticism people in Toronto, NJ, and throughout the country levied at him. But something tells me that he’ll be motivated. I mean, this is a guy who, by all accounts, busted his ass for a lottery team in New Jersey last year, and took to mentoring the rebuilding team’s younger players. That’s something he wouldn’t have done earlier in his career. Vince, I think, realizes that were he to retire today, he’d best be remembered as the dunk contest champion who dogged his way through half a season with his original team in order to force a trade. Not a flattering legacy. People accuse him of egotism, and I’m not sure if that’s fair. But if he is an egomaniac, than he’s aware that history woudn’’t exactly look favorable upon him if he ended his career today. He has plenty of reason to leave it all on the floor here in Orlando. I’m not worried about that.

As far as Ariza goes, well, he had a chronic foot injury and he couldn’t shoot the three-ball. If he could have done that, the Magic would have hung on to him. But given where he stood with Van Gundy, he’d only be a situational defensive player, and the Magic wanted more shooters to spread the floor. Cook’s career has gone in the tank, but in L.A., he hit 39.2% of his three-pointers, which is third all-time in Lakers history (minimum 100 attempts). They also got a starting-quality two in Mo Evans who could also hit the 3 and defend. The trade was lopsided, in terms of talent, when it was made, and now it looks even worse. But let’s not forget that, at the time, it made sense for Orlando to get two guys who would (theoretically) fit its new system for one guy who wouldn’t.

Third, regarding SVG and panic: it’s overplayed. Did the Magic panic when they were down double-digits, in Cleveland, in the first two games of the ECFs? No, they split the pair. Did they panic going into a game 7 at Boston, where the Celtics are virtually unbeatable? No, they blew them out of the gym. Carter has been on Otis Smith’s radar for at least two years. With this trade, they dumped 2 expiring contracts and a solid, but usually unspectacular, rookie for a Hall-of-Fame shooting guard and a reserve power forward whom they would have taken over Lee had the Nets not snagged him one pick earlier. Alston, Battie, and the 22nd pick for Carter and the 21st? Not bad at all. Also consider that the Magic saved themselves money by not committing $50 million over 5 to Turkoglu, instead going on the hook for Carter’s $33 guaranteed over 2. If he doesn’t pan out, they’re not stuck paying a guy who, prior to his 2 seasons with Van Gundy, was a 6th-man talent at best, $10 million a year. Carter gets much more money per-year, but as a Hall-of-Famer who is undoubtedly better than Turkoglu at just about everything, he’s worth it.

by Ben Q Rock on Jun 26, 2009 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Hedo was never a 6th. man talent prior to Van Gundy.

He was the go to option. Carried the team many times.

The Surfdog

by Surfdog on Jun 28, 2009 3:10 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Go-to before SVG?

Are we thinking of the same Hedo? The one who was little more than a spot-up shooter under Brian Hill?

by Ben Q Rock on Jun 28, 2009 4:05 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rivers was out he played first for Jent than Johnny Davis i think.

He averaged 33min.and 15pts. a game. under Hill in 05-06. In 07-08 when SVG. came in his min.went up a little and his AVG. went to 19.5 PPG.but he was always more than just a spot up shooter IMO.

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by Surfdog on Jun 28, 2009 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Word. That's no problem, man.

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by erivera7 on Jun 28, 2009 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Are you sure?

% of Hedo’s shots that were jumpers since joining the Magic
04/05: 76%
05/06: 76%
06/07: 77%
07/08: 68%
08/09: 73%

Hedo’s assist rate since joining the Magic:
04/05: 14.9
05/06: 14.3
06/07: 17.9
07/08: 22.9
08/09: 22.4

Fewer jumpers, more drives, more kick-outs to open shooters under SVG.

by Ben Q Rock on Jun 28, 2009 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The ball was in his hands a lot at the end of games even under Hill.

He hit a lot of big shots even then and won games.

The Surfdog

by Surfdog on Jun 28, 2009 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ah

That’s not the definition of sixth man.

He wasn’t starting most games. Coming off the bench = sixth man.

by eltharion_doa on Jun 29, 2009 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you may be correct

Look, i’m all in favor of second chances. I’m glad VC is getting a second chance. I hadn’t followed him closely this last year, so perhaps you are correct and he has regained that work ethic, or that “i’m going to give it everything” attitude. That is an important part of the equation. But i’m talking about that elusive “it” factor. The we just split our first two games at home vs the nuggets, it’s the fourth quarter with 1 min remaining and we are down by 2 points with the ball in my hand --is VC the guy who drains the 3 ball, then follows it up by clutch defense and free throws to win game 3 on the road? Does he have it? I don’t think so. Some people are losers and VC in my mind is a loser. Hedo on the other hand, in my mind is absolutely clutch. This trade is hedo + lee vs VC. I don’t think much of Lee, but Hedo vs VC, i would rather have hedo. Hedo is a playmaker. He is one of those guys that makes everyone around him much better. Can VC create opportunities for other people like Hedo can? And he is clutch. Not to mention the chemistry you guys had with the team.

Regarding SVG and panic, i must disagree. This is not to say that the Magic last year were not a great team because they were. I mean you guys completely outmatched Cleveland in the playoffs. It didn’t even seem fair due to the talent level. Also Cleveland is a horribly coached team in my opinion. Coach of the year my butt. No team can win playing 1 on 5 for the ENTIRE fourth quarter! Give the ball to Lebron and “go get it big fella,” lol. That was coach Brown’s tactic vs you guys. With such a tactic, everyone around Lebron becomes much worse than their actual talent level. They lose confidence and stand around. I actually think that Lebron made his teammates much much worse rather than better against you guys. It was ball hog city —Kobe would have been skewered if he did anything resembling what Lebron did. There was no reason to panic on the Magic side because it was obvious who the better team was. I mean Lebron had to make a game winning shot just to tie up the series 1-1 AT HOME. You guys were the superior team hands down. And the same vs the celtics. The celtics with KG are a different story. But without KG, Orlando was a far more talented team. Again, no need to panic. Talent wise, vs both Boston and Cleveland, Orlando was far superior. The problem was that once you guys ran into the Lakers, all of a sudden your talent level was no longer superior. Against the lakers, we had the talent level edge. And in these circumstances, it all depends on coaching and leadership to make up the difference. I think that Phil Jackson outcoached SVG by a long shot, and the Lakers leadership outdid the Magic leadership. Even though SVG would not admit it, experience here was very important. Of course in this i am very biased since i am a lakers fan. It’s hard to look at this without the bias and it’s possible that if i was completely unbiased i would come to a different conclusion.

In any event, my point is that you guys had a GREAT team that was still maturing. With this added experience, a healthy Jameer and perhaps a more equipped Dwight Howard on the offensive end, you guys would have been even BETTER next year. Perhaps good enough to win it all. Why mess with success? Why replace TWO of your starters, and in my opinion your second best player in Hedo? It just doesn’t make sense to me. I wish you all the luck anyway (unless you meet the lakers again, then i hope you are very unlucky).

by plyka on Jun 27, 2009 12:05 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Try to at least have some facts in your argument.

Posting your opinion on who is a loser and who isn’t… who cares?

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by betterthanburke on Jun 27, 2009 2:28 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, personal opinion shouldn't stand in the way of how good or bad a player is.

That makes for a weak argument.

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by erivera7 on Jun 29, 2009 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nooo…no bias in that post at all… hehe.

by Rebounder on Jun 27, 2009 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

why magic will never be nba champion with a point guard like alston

yeah, rafer alston has no business playing in the nba. he should just stick to his goal of comedy basketball a.k.a. backyard harlem basketball. take note: he has poor shooting skills, poor ballhandling skills, poor decision-making, poor shot-selection, poor teamwork, and most of all, bad attitude. he was whining about his lessened playing time when the real pointguard was reactivated more than encouraging and cheering up his teammates from his bench, where he rightfully deserves to be in the first place.

by guambasketball on Jun 27, 2009 1:33 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Whooooaaaa!

Say what you want about Alston, but were it not for him, we wouldn’t have made the finals. About the only thing you got right was that he has a poor attitude. He is a really decent PG. PERIOD!!

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by hevchv on Jun 27, 2009 8:03 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rafer led Magic to the finals bro, how is he bad?

he has everything a good pg should have, except shooting which i hated, but still NJN is lucky to have him. im kinda hoping they buy out alston and he returns to orl

by derekk on Jun 27, 2009 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Raf a had a couple of good games

but he also had a couple of horrendous games. I appreciate what he gave us, but that is were it ends for me. Houston trades him away and they got better, I hope we do the same.

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by Wmillion on Jun 27, 2009 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Raf did a decent job.

He isn’t above avg in any category. You could take about 40-50 pgs in the league right now and they would have lead us to the playoffs. Look at Rafs avgs and %s in the playoffs nothing special. Raf is an avg player.

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by Wmillion on Jun 27, 2009 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

The guy who just led the Eastern Conference champions to the Finals has no business being in the NBA.

by eltharion_doa on Jun 27, 2009 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

True,but

Things are not all black&white. He had ups & downs,so all he needs is some consistency,and he’ll be above average..

by Dzogi on Jun 27, 2009 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Heh

I’m not saying he’s a great PG, but saying he doesn’t deserve to be in the NBA is just…bananas.

He’s not perfect, but he’s a capable starter in the NBA, even for a playoff side.

by eltharion_doa on Jun 27, 2009 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep,that's the B&W part...

To say he doesn’t deserve to be in the NBA is,well,… ridiculous

by Dzogi on Jun 28, 2009 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, that's a bit extreme to say.

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by erivera7 on Jun 29, 2009 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah...

Usually players who aren’t good enough to play in the NBA get removed by this cool management feature called cutting players. Otherwise, they’re probably at least halfway decent.

by Rebounder on Jun 27, 2009 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Besides losing the players that we did in the trade, especially CLee, the loss of Hedo is gonna be more profound than everyone realizes.

Yes, you can throw all the stats up against the wall and make them stick to make it look like VC is the much better player, and he is in certain aspects, but he doesn’t bring the mismatch nightmares that Hedo brought to the three, and he doesn’t bring the passing ability either. I think that latter is what the team will miss the most. Looking at those videos that were linked above, the #1 play from last year got me to thinking about the possible plays SVG could draw up there having BOTH Vinsanity and Dwight as options on the inbound play. Then I remembered who SVG (and Brian Hill previously) relied on to inbound the ball on plays like that over the past few years, and it always came back to one player…Hedo Turkoglu! His height and passing skills kept teams from disrupting the inbound pass, allowing for several successful last second plays. Also, Hedo’s basketball IQ really helped in these circumstances. Who do we have left on the roster that we can rely on to inbound the ball in these situations? Yes, Vince will bring several positives to the team, but he can’t replace Hedo…not completely at least. With that said, I wonder if Paul Porter is already working on different ways to announce a viscous Vince Carter dunk?

Let's observe a moment of silence for CLee, Skip to my Lou, and Batman... *cry*

by malars on Jun 27, 2009 8:10 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

LOL @ announcing

I still believe Hedo can stay in Orlando. It all depends on Portland,and maybe Detroit,though.
Management is waiting for offers,but of course,they won’t go too high.
And let’s hope we get some h/town discount

by Dzogi on Jun 28, 2009 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

NJ

Apparently the Nets ran a similar pick and roll with amazing success with Vince and Lopez, Kristic etc. So my guess is Vince can manage it just fine, having better handles than hedo.

by Thomas Whigham on Jun 28, 2009 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

.. and a better shot.

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