Hedo is as good as GONE! :'(
by blue-blood on Jun 26, 2009 1:01 AM EDT
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PrintAt least that's the conclusion I've arrived at after watching the VC presser and reading between the lines of the Magic's statements. Also, JVG already said as much and I believe he had inside info that he inadvertently let slip during the draft. Futhermore, listening to Stan's comments at the VC presser sounded like he was already making plans for a Hedo-less team.
While I'm glad the Magic are being aggressive and trying to win it all right now I'm torn about having to give up on Hedo to do it & here's why . . .
Say what you will about Hedo but noone can deny that he's the type of player whose stats belie his actual contribution and it's those intangibles that really made me like him so much as a player.
I realize that Hedo was never or will never be the player that VC once was but he was a team player and a good fit for this team. I'm still not certain that VC will be both of those for the Magic.
VC can certainly still be that ISO scorer that we were lacking but will that asset overcome the loss of the "Hedo intangibles" and still make the Magic a better team? And even if so, then by how much?
Losing Lee on this trade was a tough pill to swallow but if it costs us Hedo as well then VC better show a newfound commitment to defense and teamwork to make us a better team.
Call me sentimental but I always have a soft spot for players that blossomed while on our team. I realize Hedo was not without fault (Inconsistentcy, risky shot/pass selection, slow feet) but I wish the Magic would've bit the bullet and AT THE VERY LEAST, gotten a sign and trade for him.
Am I being too sentimental or will the significance of the VC trade be severely diminished if it costs us Hedo as well?
P.S. OTIS PLEASE DO WHATEVER IT TAKES TO SIGN MCDYESS!!!
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The more I think about it, the more I'm liking this trade.
Hedo had a really good season for us in 07-08, and then he had this year… which was really hit-or-miss. The fact is, I like Hedo as much as anyone, but 41.3% shooting is a liability plain and simple. And looking at his career, not to mention his age, I think this year really showed that 07-08 was a bit of a fluke; Hedo does some things well, but shouldn’t be a 15+ PPG scorer. So you’re left with a guy who’s a great passer for his position, but not the mightiest defender, and not (ideally) a big-time scorer.
And then there’s Lee… I’m more bothered by the loss of Lee than by the (likely) loss of Hedo, honestly. Hedo did some things well and some things poorly; overall, he’s more good than not, but you have to make tradeoffs for him. Lee isn’t ever going to be a star, but the great thing about Lee is that there are no tradeoffs. Nothing about the guy is a liability. He can shoot the 3 and drive the lane, he’s a good passer for a SG, he can play D. Put him on any team, he’ll contribute. And that’s huge, having a guy who a coach doesn’t even need to think about planning around.
And now we’ve got Carter… I’ll go with that. Carter can do a lot of stuff. He’s never been much of a defender, but if anyone can get a solid defensive performance out of him, it’s Van Gundy.
Yeah, and we broke your damn shot clock too.
Yeah
We don’t have a defender at the two guard any more. On the other hand, we now have a guy at the two guard who’ll actually force a guy like Kobe to be accountable.
And Dwight makes up for a lot of perimeter deficiencies…
Pietrus isn't a defender?
I’d say Pietrus is well above average on D.
Yeah, and we broke your damn shot clock too.
He's talking about VC.
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Well, we have two 2 guards.
Presumably, we’ll put Pietrus on whoever we need to stop between their SF and SG, and we’ll put Carter on the other guy.
Yeah, and we broke your damn shot clock too.
How does that work against the Celtics?
cough
JJ probably starts.
by eltharion_doa on Jun 27, 2009 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Vince
Can handle Ray better then JJ. He is taller and a better leaper. VC isn’t a stopper, but he will get the job done.
"No matter where you go, you are what you are playa"-Jay Z
I think you missed the point
But never mind, it’s not important.
by eltharion_doa on Jun 28, 2009 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Huh? VC is a better defender than Turk...
Guys, Turk has been good as gone all season, this shouldn’t be news. Be happy that we UPGRADED. As much as we loved Turk, he was inconsistent. Yes, he would made huge clutch shots to win games, but then he’d disappear for a few games, this IS an upgrade and I’m usually one of the most pessimistic people on the blog. Think about it, chances are Turk was going to walk anyways, say he did and we didn’t get VC, how would we feel about the team then? Would we go out and sign someone as a FA that was up to VC’s caliber? Probably not. You’ve got to like the direction Otis is taking this team.
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by DieSlowKeyshawn on Jun 26, 2009 2:44 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Carter is a HUGE UPGRADE. But resign Turk so the whole lineup can just rep the East in the All Star game LOL
Im going to miss Turk the most should he leave, C.Lee was good but thats potential in the future, not now, Turk bled blue and white alot of seasons for the Magic! :(
But look at it this way:
At 2 C.Lee and at 3 Turk. OR
At 2 Vince Carter and at 3 MP
Keep in mind two other things:
MP stole C.Lee min.s as the playoffs wore on, his all of a sudden big surge of defensive pressure along with his height made him as close a defensive stopper there is when considering the LBJs Wades and Kobes, which is being pesky and making them sweat and work for their shots, tho the stats should show MP did stop them alittle bit too! Mp also was more accurate at 3-range in the playoffs than C.Lee.
Hmmm, Vince for 2 years, or Turk for 3, 4, 5 yrs? Magic have flexibility and options, A failed resign Turk with the core b/c other teams got better or adjusted better means Magic are stuck with that lineup forever. Teams will have to adjust again now to VC in the lineup and if it fails, its only for this season or the next (b/c his expiring contract will be attractive). I still think Magic ought to resign Turk on top anyways, itd be as good a fit as anyother superstar to add on top of VC b/c we know Turk fits great and is versatile.
Star Power doesn't always mean Win Power.
IMO. this move was more about about filling seats with a local product than it is about getting back to the NBA. finals. It’s like trying to put a square peg in a round hole.
The Surfdog
Obviously not,
but one stands to reason replacing Hedo with VC and keeping everyone else is not overkilling “star power” whatever that means anyways.
You dig?
Nope. Too much tweaking for my liking.
We HAD a team that had jelled and played well together. Now the apple cart has been turned upside down and you can’t say how this is going to play out. This saga is far from over and there are holes that need to be filled. It’s like back to square one and wait and see.
The Surfdog
Too much tweaking? Some of this was inevitable.
Turkoglu coming back wasn’t a certainty. Ditto with Gortat. There was going to be roster turnover, no matter what. So far, Otis Smith has done a great job of shifting the team and upgrading with Vince Carter & Ryan Anderson. Of course, he isn’t done just yet ..
.. Wallace may land here. Bass may land here. If so, the Magic will have a roster that has the potential to be better than last year’s team, which is impressive considering the situation.
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What happened to the only tweak we needed was Gortat?
I believe you said that just a few days ago. Hedo coming back was what he wanted and there never was a decent offer made. People apparantly have selective memories and seem to forget the contributions of certain players who are now nameless. The tweaking continues. Lets see if 65 wins are in the cards.
The Surfdog
Things change. I didn't expect a Vince Carter trade to go down.
.. but it did, I like the trade, and look forward to more additions to the team.
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Hey,Surf,head up!
Rest assured that Magic is going to be huge this season. Noone can guarantee Finals or anything,but we are going to be great.
Now,everybody wants the championship,of course. But,for me at least,it’s mot an imperative. We’ve been trough a lot ups&downs with Magic,and we always loved MAGIC,not Shaq,not T-Mac,not even Turk,or Lee. That’s what separates true fans like you and me from ’wagoneers.
This is TRUE. Been a Fan from Day 1 and will continue.
Good or Bad. However i do have my own opinions which i should be able to express in a democratic society, popular or not.Somebody logged me off this site and when i logged back on was besieged by dirtbag ads which follow me. Hate to think this is a communist run website where dissenting opinions from the norm are not allowed.
The Surfdog
I am 100% positive that those ads have nothing to do with people who run this place.
And I assure you that different opinions are more than welcomed here.
I’ve seen people get banned,and always for a good reason,and never without a warning. Maybe you have a personal issue with someone?
From what I saw,you were able to express your opinion,and if someone disagreed,they told you,and the story goes on.
Ah,no big deal,I guess. A mistake maybe.
Well i don't have an issue with anybody that i know of.
But you never know what lurks in a person’s mind. I do know that comments get deleted and they are not derogatory or obscene. Just different thinking which i think provokes thought. That’s why we live in a democratic society. I respect other people opinions and don’t down them for it or curse them.I will express my opinion because i was born in America. I happen to agree with E’s previous thinking which was not to break up this team and just Tweak it a little. Now there is a whole lotta tweakin goin on which may or may not end well. V.C. is great but is he THE ANSWER and is he worth busting up the team for? The saga continues.
The Surfdog
Aww, I hope you guys keep him because
I don’t want him for the Blazers. :)
or not.
by ireallylikejerrydbayless on Jun 26, 2009 3:57 PM EDT reply actions
Saw this on ESPN and Bossaurd says Hedo is as good as gone to Detroit
…so the team that the Magic cant seem to be beat now have there most clutch players.
Great.
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Kristin Kreuk is teh love.
Still miss em: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvvgVn0gg1E
Doubt Orlando will have to worry about Detroit.
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People keep forgetting
that they have comparable Assist numbers, and that Vince did it on a much worse shooting team.
Hedo is about to pull a Deshawn/Darko
If the reports of him turning down 71 million from us is true, he is going to have a hard time finding someone to offer him more than that. The two teams being rumored to want him, Portland and Detroit, are not going to invest that much into a 30 year old since they are either rebuilding or building around a young nucleus.
71 mil.
Over how many years?
Life's too short. Be a fan. Magic, Cards and Rays! What a winning combo.
Not sure
I heard it on AM 740. That’s the number I heard, but they know he definitely offered him something big.
No way that's true
$71m? In his wildest dreams, maybe.
by eltharion_doa on Jun 27, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't see it..
I imagine it was more like 3 years 25 Million. I heard it was between 8.5-9 mil.
"No matter where you go, you are what you are playa"-Jay Z
It's somehow comforting to see 90% of the people here pissing on Turk and what he's done for Orlando.
Human nature in action can be a beautiful thing if you take the George Carlin approach.
Detras de ti, imbecil.
Nobody's pissing on Turk
I don’t even know how you begin to get that idea.
by eltharion_doa on Jun 27, 2009 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
The general consensus seems to be "we have Vince Carter now, so who cares if Turk leaves?"
Detras de ti, imbecil.
They will care when this team becomes an also ran.
Why is 71mil. out of the question? iT’S 47MIL. less tha Lewis. He already played one year at 11mil. less than Lewis makes. Pissed ON and More.
The Surfdog
Because
Orlando isn’t run by complete idiots.
Even in the NBA, nobody is going to offer Turkoglu anything close to that money. Lewis is overpaid but he was an All Star in the west and arguably the biggest free agent of that year. Hedo’s just not as good, and everyone knows it.
He’ll be overpaid if someone offers him $55m over five, let alone $71m over five.
by eltharion_doa on Jun 27, 2009 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions
71 million over 7 years, maybe, and that's not allowed (maximum NBA contract length is 6)
And if Turk is turning down 71/6, then he’s insane.
So in your mind Lewis is worth 18mil. a yr. and Turk 10mil.
Who is the most versatile player of the 2? Who poses more problems for other teams? Lewis ? Your memory is too short. Did you watch the Finals?
The Surfdog
Was referring to Hedo will be overpaid at 55mil.over 5.
“Orlando isn’t run by complete idiots” Hedo is just not as good as Rashard and everybody knows it. The announcers and other analysts watching the finals didn’t know it. They said the opposite. What’s idiotic is Hedo playing for 7mil. while Lewis plays for 18mil. a year.
The Surfdog
Yes
Rashard is overpaid.
So would Hedo be at $18m a season, or $15m a season, or even $11m a season.
And basing your argument on what ESPN thinks is, well…
by eltharion_doa on Jun 29, 2009 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Never watch ESPN.
I guess your opinion is the only one that matters. Wait and see what other team opinios are.
The Surfdog
lewis dropped like 20 and 34 b4 lakers focused in on him. lewis is a better player in EVERY aspect, except maybe playmaking and srry thats 1 category only. Turk was one of the longest magic tenured here, so im really sad. But im not goin to turn it into a situation where I say Turk is better than Lewis or Carter bc im mad he wasnt resigned. it isnt the Truth. the only thing that would make u right is if carter doesnt fit into the system and i HIGHLY doubt thatll happen at his level of career.
Playmaking = ASSISTS = POINTS
A 6’10 guy that can run the floor,make the 3, make the great pass, drive to the basket and finish with either hand,rebound, and can defend. I think there is some catagories you may have left out. IMO. he poses a bigger problem than Lewis for other teams.I just feel if it’s not broke don’t fix it.
The Surfdog
Rashard is a bigger problem for teams, imo.
For the many teams that start say, a Varejao type 4, Rashard can waste them.
Hedo doesn’t get an advantage like that, neither as big of an advantage, or as often.
"It's difficult to win when you're outscored in every quarter." -Bill Walton
by betterthanburke on Jun 30, 2009 1:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Hedo creates mismatches,that's fo sho
But not like ‘Shard. That’s MO,and of many others.
Surf thinks the opposite,and that’s OK,of course.
We need different opinions,would it be boring or what if we all thought the same?
Wait a minute.
WHEN Jameer went down Hedo was bringing the ball up the floor at 6’10 and creating plays for his teamates. Did you see Rashard do that? You don’t see many 6’10 guys doing that. How about his set-up pass to Howard down low.Always on target. How easily we forget things that are taken for granted. He led the team in assists many times.
The Surfdog
I don't believe Finals make that much of a difference.
Indeed,Lewis struggled there. We all know why. He had a really tough matchup. I am not ready to throw him off just because of one series. Did you watch the LAST SEASON? That said,Lewis is overpaid. Big time. I personally remember writing about it few times,and I think we all know and acknowledge that.
I was referring to 71 over 7 when I said not possible.
Now,if I had to choose between those 2 players,it’s clearly Lewis.
Is Hedo worth 10 a year? No,IMHO. I follow Hedo since Sacramento days(because of Divac and Peja),and I don’t think he’s worth that much.
Finally,I think all discussion about salaries is pointless. How much is D12 making? Jameer? VC? You get it. Unfair,but it is what it is.
Push come to shove, I'd take Lewis over Turkoglu too.
I know I’ve said that if Hedo were to leave, it’d be a tough loss as he is an extremely important piece to the puzzle, but Vince Carter will suffice.
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WELL said.
Suffice at 16.5mil a year. Hope it works. We HAD something that did work. IMO.
The Surfdog
Still makes sense to have Carter than Turkoglu.
I already pointed this out multiple times .. re-signing Hedo to a long-term contract would have crippled the Magic’s flexibility in the future. Instead, Vince has a contract that expires sooner. It’s more money, sure, but Orlando covered itself by trading away Alston and Battie.
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I don't consider that covering itself.
Why? Because now you have 2 more holes to fill and you are still going to have to pay for those holes one way or the other.
The Surfdog
Look,I'm the first (and only?) one who thinks this trade is not so good
But I like it cause it shows determination of our management.
It was clear that Lakers are better team for the time being,and hence came this moves.
But,if their determination is worth 5 M$ of tax,maybe that’s not too much.
I wonder how much tax Lakers paid for last season?
u just contradicted yourself.
How can u like it and not like it at the same time. I don’t think it’s determination, it’s more like overreaction, IMO.
The Surfdog
Come on,Surf,I'm sure you got me.
Bottomline is,trade needed to be made(I like that),
but not this one (dislike).
Simple as that.
The Magic will cover the holes with better players.
If you don’t think the possibility of landing Bass and Wallace is an upgrade over last year’s bench, I don’t know what to say.
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by erivera7 on Jun 29, 2009 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
possibilities are just that.
You can’t take that to the bank and that’s why i’m reserving judgment. But at this point i feel there are too many question marks yet to be resolved and that includes Carter fiiting in. We Had a pretty good machine as it was, IMO.
The Surfdog
Why did a move HAVE to be made?
By the time this is said and done. With Carter’s salary and the other players that are going to have to fill the holes that have been created and their salaries, you could have signed Gortat, Hedo and Lee.
The Surfdog
I'm not going to repeat myself anymore.
You don’t like the trade .. we get it. There’s nothing else I can say that hasn’t already been said.
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Magic saved around 3mil and about 3.6mil under lux this season there b.c. they wont resign Turk likely, and that doesnt include resigning Gortat or Magic getting outbidded like fools from other teams seriously liking Turk. Resigning Turk alone is 4mil more money into Lux b.c. Battie/Alston are still here. Next yr they will spend more but be on VC last yr of contract thinking oh well it was a short contract or we should prolly resign the guy who got us a title. Anderson will be better than Battie by seasons end I can easily see, Magic dont need 5.25mil invested in a backup PG when AJ as a backup PG got the Magic into the Finals. So you lost Lee’s min.s which are MP’s nows while VC is at the 3 spot now. Please tell me MP is not as good as Lee after MP outscored and outdefended Lee in the playoffs.
The Magic shed unnecessary cap space ..
.. by trading Alston and Battie.
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If you think Hedo not being kept is the worst thing ever,
than why don’t you have any beef with him for opting out? Surely anyone without a Latrell Sprewell-sized family can live off of 7ish million?
"It's difficult to win when you're outscored in every quarter." -Bill Walton
by betterthanburke on Jun 30, 2009 1:23 AM EDT up reply actions
LOL @ Sprewell part
But no,I think any player would opt-out,and that’s fine with me. Money makes the world turn.
Surf just likes Hedo.
...and then?
Let’s face it,team you’re referring to lost the finals. Excellent achievement. But,they got barely past Boston,and even Cleveland(there were some close games that could’ve went either way). Yep,no Nelson there,but no KG,either. Even vs Philly it wasn’t all shine&glitter. Not to mention Lakers. THAT team would stay in history as a CONTENDER only.(Utah-like)
So,move has to be made to go next level,not to “waste” such a good squad. They needed a little extra push.
Was this the right move?
Time’ll tell.
Why are you downplaying the Magic.
Beating the NBA. Champion Celtics, Cleveland which had the best record, and Philly which also was greatly improved and making it to the Finals is no small feat. A few bounces either way and they would have beat the Lakers. Playoff basketball is almost always close. Different animal.
The Surfdog
Hah,I hate written form of communication
Why do I have to say that I never said it was a small feat when you know it? Yes,you’re right,it could have been a whole different story if those few bounces went our way. Now,to be fair,a few bounces either way and we could lose before Finals. Sorry,but I am not one of “MY TEAM IS THE BEST,END OF STORY!!!!” fans. I try to keep it real as much as I can.
That's playoff Basketball in General.
Only the strong survive and you cannot deny the Magic survived. Never said My Team is THE BEST END OF STORY. But to be real not many teams even make it to the Finals. Just ask Vince Carter and Charles Barkley. Have to be a special team just to get there. Which is no more. Now maybe will be better but maybe we won’t. I am hoping for the best.
The Surfdog
Well
Vince Carter’s a better basketball player than Turkoglu is, and his contract is more friendly.
I think we’d all like to see Turk back as well, but realistically the Carter trade says Hedo’s done in Orlando. And if so, then we have to move on.
Hedo’s been great, but if his time here is over, so be it.
by eltharion_doa on Jun 27, 2009 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't see his contract as more friendly.
His contract was 52mil. for 3yrs, Getting 16.5mil. for 2= 33mil. with 4mil.guaranteed on the backend leaving another possible 15mil. They offered Hedo 36mil. for 4yrs. Hedo was willing to accept less than other teams offered but not that much less.
The Surfdog
Than what? You are going to have sign either him to either Bigger $$$$$ OR
hit the free agent market and get it up the YAZU. Think man…
The Surfdog
Then what? You let him go.
And find a replacement with the money available once his contract is off the books.
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That IS my point.
When you let him go and his contract is not on the books as you say, you still have to replace that player most likely with one of = $$$$ or most likely more $$$. Why? Because at that time salaries will have gone up even more and you will have to pay the piper. Long term contracts can actually be to the benefit of an employer and not a detriment. Witness Hedo. IN 4yrs. 10mil.will be peanuts by any players standard. Take my WORD.
The Surfdog
A long-term contract wouldn't be beneficial in this situation.
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well they would be about 22-16mil under cap, so id imagine they would be #1 destination in a new arena, always improving dwight, and a possile ship banner, not to mention the attractiveness of expiring deals can sometimes net even bigger gains sooner.
That will help.
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It's not the amount of money.
It’s the years that matter .. money is irrelevant, at this point.
VC has a contract that’s guaranteed for two years, with a team option for a third year. Hedo is going to be looking for 4 or 5 years, which would cripple the Magic’s flexibility in the future, such as finding a replacement for Rashard Lewis, re-signing some guy named Dwight Howard with the appropriate pieces around him, and so on and so forth. Likewise, Orlando eliminates having to worry about Lee’s escalating rookie contract that would eventually require the team to re-sign him to more money. Instead, the team has a short-term contract with VC that spans the immediate window of winning a title (2 years), as well as inevitable short-term contracts with a guy like Rasheed Wallace, etc. Pretty simple.
Flexibility is what Otis is striving for.
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.. because Carter is an upgrade over Turkoglu.
Plus, as I stated this before elsewhere on the site .. if the Magic re-signed Hedo to a long-term contract, the team’s flexibility in the future would have been crippled. Instead of dealing with a Turkoglu contract that would have ran 4 to 5 years, Orlando has a Carter contract that runs 2 years, at the least, and 3 years at the most. That’s just smart maneuvering by Otis Smith, plain and simple.
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Yep,flexibility in the future played major role.
From that POV,smart move. But,I still don’t think about this trade as an upgrade. I just can’t help it.
I believe Andrea Adelson said it all,and hit the nail on the head.
This trade is harmless,at best. Far from an upgrade,if we lose Turk and Marcin.
Alston and Battie should have been traded,but this was kinda move out of despair after Finals. Bad.
It can be a big upgrade if the Magic land Bass, McDyess, and/or Wallace.
The trade, analyzed and isolated on its own, is an upgrade too.
I don’t think the move was made out of despair. As Otis said, when you have the opportunity to land an All-Star like Vince Carter, you do it. You don’t settle. I like that mentality.
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That's a fan opinion
Not a management one. We’ll go into the tax because it’s unavoidable, but I’ve not heard anything from management that suggests a huge, Lakers/Cavs/Knicks/Celtics style push is even remotely possible.
It’s fine to want us to do crazy things, but realistically, it’s not going to happen.
by eltharion_doa on Jun 27, 2009 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions
No way.
.. the Magic will hit the tax because it’s unavoidable. But the team isn’t going to be knee-deep in it.
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When Turkoglu declined a four-year, $36 million contract extension last week and ultimately opted out of his contract to become an unrestricted free agent, Orlando moved ahead with the trade for Carter. www.floridatoday.com/orlandomagic
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Dont know if thats accurate or not, but it seems Hedo passed on a 9mil per year for 4 yrs contract. Perhaps Hedo will reconsider? Its a substantial bump in pay and for 4 yrs. I was thinking he deserved 10mil or so tho, so he prolly felt the same or a higher number.
Why would he reconsider when it’s a year short of the length he wants, and $2m a season short?
If he’s got a 5 year, $55m deal in the works with someone, he’d be giving up $19m to play for us. A home town discount is possible, but not that possible.
by eltharion_doa on Jun 27, 2009 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't blame him for moving on. He's worth more and he's going to get it.
IMO. he’s an unique player with plenty of ability left., there are teams that will utilize that and he’ll probably be back here to bite the Magic in the Arse.
The Surfdog
kobes worst games last year were against jersey i wonder if vince had something to do with it?
instead of guards getting tired of SCORING ON US they will be tired from having to play D!
bring in sheed, cj watson and start looking for a grand marshal to the parade!
turk and gortat are goners
This is a random comment .. is it just me or are there a few random people around here?
I’ve been out of the loop the past two days and I don’t recognize a few posters. Hah.
I'm the other guy at Third Quarter Collapse, with a Twitter account.
"Never hate your enemies. It affects your judgement." - Michael Corleone
Yes,I noted that,too.
That’s great,a lot of people are coming by,and some are droppin’ a comment here&there
From what I see (and from my own initial experience)
A lot of fans are taking out their fondness for Hedo and Courtney out on Vince. I know at first I was like “Crap, those are my favorite players!” and had a negative first reaction to the trade. But then when I thought about it, I realized I was basing my opinion on how I was going to miss the PERSONALITIES of Hedo/Courtney, rather than looking objectively at the stats/film etc. I know I can’t speak for everyone, but that’s what I’ve come to realize. As time has passed and I’ve been able to step back and look at the trade, I think it’s getting an unfairly bad rap. I was only vaguely familiar with Vince (and already a few misconceptions I’ve had about him have been cleared up) and only recently had ever heard of Anderson, but now I’m looking at the trade at a considerably more positive light.
Of course I would miss Hedo and will miss Courtney, but this situation could be a lot worse.
by Stan in a Van (Down by the River) on Jun 29, 2009 11:26 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Hmmmmmm
Could be worse is wrong attitude to have,especially in times we’re considered contenders.
I still have the “oh,crap” feeling,somewhat lighter,though. I can safely assume that I am not familiar with Hedo/lee personalities,but I am somewhat familiar with theirs skills,and I liked that part.
Well,I hope I’ll have the same attitude as you Stan,LOL
Well said, Stan.
That’s what happened to me .. my initial reaction to the trade was negative, more due to my personal attachment to the players involved, but taking a step back I realize this trade was an excellent one.
It happens.
I'm the other guy at Third Quarter Collapse, with a Twitter account.
"Never hate your enemies. It affects your judgement." - Michael Corleone
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