BREAKING: Vince Orlando-bound?
by JayKim41 on Jun 25, 2009 4:01 PM EDT
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http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4287197
The New Jersey Nets are in serious talks with the Magic about a deal that will send Vince Carter to Orlando for Rafer Alston, Tony Battie and Courtney Lee, two league sources told ESPN.com.
The talks have reached a point that a deal could be done by the end of the day Thursday, according to sources.
The trade would give the Magic even more star power on their quest to win an NBA championship. The addition of Carter to a lineup that already consists of All-Star players Dwight Howard, Rashard Lewis and Jameer Nelson would make them the favorites to win the Eastern Conference title next year.
As for the Nets, the move is a cost-cutting measure. Both Alston and Battie are in the last year of their contracts, and trading for them would shave $16.5 million off New Jersey's roster in the summer of 2010 and put the Nets well below the salary cap.
The deal, if completed, would also give the Nets a young, promising shooting guard in Lee.
Chad Ford covers the NBA and NBA draft for ESPN Insider.
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Some reasoning behind the Magic' thoughts.
It seems the Magic really dont want to go Luxury deep over Turkoglu, as trading for Vince Carter would make them overpay enough as it is. Its not ruled out, but the chances really dropped, Id still do it just to have Turk still and be like LA and Bos who overpay for talent.
The Magic figure trading for Vince is better than having Turkoglu (or great to play with together), and the Magic only lose backups Battie/Alston and promising rookie Courtney Lee. Admittedly, I feel C. Lee is a small blow to it, but you’re talking about a VINCE CARTER! replacement who should play top levels for a few more seasons.
SA Spurs alrdy tried trading their 3 expiring deals for Vince, and NJ declined for not receiving anything promising with the expiring deals. Magic prolly thought hey, they can trade 2 big expirings in Battie/Alston and then give up a promising piece of C. Lee to receive Vince Carter. And thus, the deal.
My personal thoughts is this is a win now move, and a GREAT one at that. Regardless if Turk stays, or Vince is the replacement, Magic just made a HUGE upgrade. Im very excited, I think its a GREAT MOVE!
Some Vinsanity facts from last season:
20.8PPG, 4.7APG, 5.1RPG, 43.7 FG%, and 38.5 3P%. Clearly the assists show Vince is ready to take a playmaker role as well like Turk was, should Turk be gone, while giving out much better PPG and %‘s.
Scouting report: Carter is an ace scorer because he can do it so many different ways. Though his stupendous leaping ability makes him an explosive finisher, he’s also an excellent outside shooter who must be played tightly. He’s strong off the dribble, too, with good vision and the muscle to finish plays at the rim.
by derekk on Jun 25, 2009 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh man, C Lee is money, and I like him
But to have VC, only problem with VC he isn’t clutch at all
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by Wmillion on Jun 25, 2009 4:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Neither is C. Lee
That missed layup sent him packing
by Rotudo on Jun 25, 2009 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah,
rumor is he is a little cocky and doesn’t get along with the players on a regular basis. If you notice, he is always arguing with the players after every timeout of break in action. He also seemed to have that whatever attitude after that missed layup. It was like “oh well. I missed a shot. Sue me.”
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by hevchv on Jun 25, 2009 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Man you're quick.
I just heard this and came to the computer to write this and it was already here.
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by hevchv on Jun 25, 2009 4:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Don't want Vinsanity here
No, thank you. Too injury prone…seriously, no thanks.
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by Marie on Jun 25, 2009 4:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Sure is a lot to give up
for an aging slasher known for giving up on teams and playing no defense.
by JayKim41 on Jun 25, 2009 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, that too
That guy is only motivated during a contract year.
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by Marie on Jun 25, 2009 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now he can be motivated by a championship team.
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by hevchv on Jun 25, 2009 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lee had future all star
written all over him.
by JayKim41 on Jun 25, 2009 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll take him.
Just think. We could have an allstar @ point (Jameer), off (Vince), power (Shard) and big (D12) all in the same season. Oh the possibilities!!! Plus he still lives here. Him and TMac are always at the 7 11 near Mellinia.
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by hevchv on Jun 25, 2009 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Carter is no longer All Star material
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by Marie on Jun 25, 2009 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
TOO MUCH COST.
Talking paying Carter AND Hedo And LOSING Lee. May not end well.
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by Surfdog on Jun 25, 2009 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Otis where the hell did this come from?!
Not sure how I feel about it yet, but I would definitely vote against if it means giving up the ability to resign Turk.
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by betterthanburke on Jun 25, 2009 4:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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by big aaron on Jun 25, 2009 4:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
How many more years are left on his contract?
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by hevchv on Jun 25, 2009 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe hes another one of those summer 2010 guys
by JayKim41 on Jun 25, 2009 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think so.
Pretty sure he’s in ’11?
"It's difficult to win when you're outscored in every quarter." -Bill Walton
by betterthanburke on Jun 25, 2009 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah I was way off,
expires 2011 with a team option for ‘11/’12
Sucks.
by JayKim41 on Jun 25, 2009 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's giving up Lee thats a deal breaker to me.
"I have come that you may have life, and life to the max"
by UNFNOLE on Jun 25, 2009 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm coming around on the idea
it hurts to give up courtney, but a lineup of
nelson
carter
turk
lewis
howard
cannot be fk’d with.
assuming we re-sign hedo.
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by mhetrick14 on Jun 25, 2009 4:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That lineup would be almost unfair...
But I still think Hedo is a much bigger priority.
"It's difficult to win when you're outscored in every quarter." -Bill Walton
by betterthanburke on Jun 25, 2009 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
we're gonna re-sign him.
unless someone throws some RIDICULOUS money at him
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by mhetrick14 on Jun 25, 2009 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fingers crossed lol
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by betterthanburke on Jun 25, 2009 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ESPN says it's Vince AND Ryan Anderson
by Stan in a Van (Down by the River) on Jun 25, 2009 4:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
And a power forward. SWEET!!!
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by hevchv on Jun 25, 2009 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anderson would be interesting. He's a somewhat "soft" PF, but he shot 39.6% from 3PT in college
He was 36.5% as a rookie, so he’d help stretch the floor on offense
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by The Dark on Jun 25, 2009 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kid rebounds at a decent rate though.
"It's difficult to win when you're outscored in every quarter." -Bill Walton
by betterthanburke on Jun 25, 2009 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
7.4 points and 4.7 rebounds in less than 20 minutes per game.
Kinda translates to decent starter stats in a pinch.
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by hevchv on Jun 25, 2009 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, he's good on offense and a decent rebounder
I’m just worried about his defense and his hands. He had 0.2 blocks per foul, compared to Lewis’ 0.52 blocks per foul – he’s a Hedo-esque blocker (Turk’s at 0.18). He’s also not a good passer, which could be an issue in our offense, but I think his upside outweighs the negatives, particularly given his youth.
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by The Dark on Jun 25, 2009 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
According to Yahoo
If the Nets move Carter, they will draft Louisville shooting guard Terrence Willams at No. 11, if he’s still available.
The source categorgized the deal as "close" and it could be consummated by the end of the night.
I think I just threw up in my mouth…
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by Marie on Jun 25, 2009 4:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh, nevermind.
Yeah the Nets are going to be pretty solid next year.
by JayKim41 on Jun 25, 2009 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
huh?
how so, exactly? playing for the 8th seed is solid?
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by mhetrick14 on Jun 25, 2009 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice guard rotation.
Harris, Dooling, Alston and Lee. Back court looks decent.
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by hevchv on Jun 25, 2009 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This reeks of panic to me
Kind of like when we traded Bogans for Lue. This came out of nowhere.
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by Marie on Jun 25, 2009 4:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
NBA=WIN NOW!!! (loose translation of course)
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by hevchv on Jun 25, 2009 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
all he has to do is give us 16 a game
as a 4th or 5th option.
solidifies pietrus as 6th man and gives more room to jj. i’m starting to like it.
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by mhetrick14 on Jun 25, 2009 4:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Sorry,
I love this trade. Wanted Vince and TMac at the same time FOREVER!!!
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by hevchv on Jun 25, 2009 4:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What's the injury-prone argument based on?
I just looked and he’s only missed 9 games in his last 4 years for the Nets.
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by betterthanburke on Jun 25, 2009 4:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Even if that's 9 games/season
still gives us 73 games played per season.
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by hevchv on Jun 25, 2009 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
11 - he missed 3 in 05-06, 6 in 07-08, and 2 in 08-09
But yeah, he’s nowhere near as injury-prone as when he was with Toronto.
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by The Dark on Jun 25, 2009 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, on drugs today.
But agreed, still a relatively consistent guy.
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by betterthanburke on Jun 25, 2009 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gotta say I like it.
If we are able to resign Hedo, which Otis should go deep in the tax to do, then look at it like this:
PG: Nelson (Johnson) -same as last years start
SG: Carter (Redick) – VC is an upgrade over Lee short-term
SF: Turkoglu (Pietrus) – same
PF: Lewis (Anderson) – Anderson is a better version of Battie with more range at this point
C: Howard (Still not sure here)
Lotta talent in that rotation.
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by betterthanburke on Jun 25, 2009 4:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Duh.... Howard (Foyle)
I mean Foyle is going to be a great backup………………………………………………………………
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by UNFNOLE on Jun 25, 2009 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha I couldn't make myself write him in there..
the Magic could get a better center in the late second round/veteran’s minimum/random guy off the street
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by betterthanburke on Jun 25, 2009 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Might be getting greedy here, but
how realistic do you guys think it’d be to nab Dice at the vet’s minimum to backup Dwight?
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by betterthanburke on Jun 25, 2009 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it'd be absolutely amazing.
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by mhetrick14 on Jun 25, 2009 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Another AWESOME thing.
When the Magic get into those absolutely horrible one quarter offensive collapses, because they dont trust in their plays and PRs or are facing tough defense, they can now have 1 player VC who can absolutely still take a good shot anytime himself. Plus, after finding out Ryan Anderson will be part of it, a young, potential PF with shooting! Very nice.
by derekk on Jun 25, 2009 5:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Is this thing a done deal?
I’m freaking out haha
http://www.nj.com/nets/index.ssf/2009/06/nj_nets_nets_agree_to_move_car.html
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by betterthanburke on Jun 25, 2009 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just a couple of quick notes/questions
1) I know losing Lee sucks, but Anderson is a very underrated PF. Very good three point shooter who should fit well into our system.
2) Orlando must have been impressed w/JJ this season. Getting rid of Lee makes him the undisputed back-up SG
3) Are we still in the mix for Hedo after this trade or will it not be financially vialbe?
If Carter is in addition to Hedo I LOVE this trade…if its to replace him, I just like it.
by Lee for three on Jun 25, 2009 5:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think itd be overkill to have both Hedo and Vince, but its still a good move to resign Hedo if Magic want to jump into Luxury.
by derekk on Jun 25, 2009 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I sure hpe so.
If we’re losing Hedo,don’t do it,please. Carter is not fitting in Magic,he just doesn’t belong there.
by Dzogi on Jun 25, 2009 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I'm not sure what adding Vince to our team vs what we lose in Alston and Battie will give us in terms of cap numbers.
Would be interesting to see how serious Devos and management were in saying they’d be willing to go into the luxury tax to sign Hedo once the numbers are figured out from this deal, which seems to be all but a done deal at this point!
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by malars on Jun 25, 2009 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
WOW
Just read about this on Yahoo. So much for keeping things as is huh? How do you think this affects Orlando’s ability/intention to resign Hedo.
Damn, I’m speechless. Kind of excited but also kind of sad. Seems like the best keep getting better in the league while the bad get worse.
by Worthy J. on Jun 25, 2009 5:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
the only way i like this trade is if hedo stays
without it we’re much worse than last season.
either that, or they’re convinced turk is gone and they scrambled to make the best move out there.
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by mhetrick14 on Jun 25, 2009 5:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
No way are we much worse than last season if we don't get Hedo back.
We’ll still probably bring in a cheaper wing guy and Carter can single-handedly take over games on a consistent bases more than Hedo can. I’d love it if we had both, but Carter is more than a suitable replacement if Hedo walks.
by Lee for three on Jun 25, 2009 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Vince is a better replacement than Turk, should he not be resigned.
by derekk on Jun 25, 2009 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe, but
this is basically an aging carter for turk/lee. i don’t see the upside without us keeping turk.
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by mhetrick14 on Jun 25, 2009 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We kept our draft picks for next year so...
we could just draft another heir apparent while renting Vince for 2 more years.
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by hevchv on Jun 25, 2009 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Word. If Hedo goes,fine,but I don't want Vince here :(
by Dzogi on Jun 25, 2009 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Vince worked his butt off last season. I dont see the mistrust here.
by derekk on Jun 25, 2009 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes,he did.
It’s just that I don’t like him,that’s all. No special reason.
But I guess I’ll have to start liking him now. It looks like a done deal.
Just hope Turk stays,too. P L E A S E Hedo
by Dzogi on Jun 25, 2009 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here's the question...
Vince, Pietrus, and Anderson,
or
CLee, Turk, and Battie?
I like the former. Make the trade Otis.
1 – Nelson, AJ
2 – VC, JJ
3 – Pietrus, Free Agent
4 – Lewis, Anderson
5 – Howard, Gortat (if we don’t resign Turk, we can afford him).
by TragicMatt on Jun 25, 2009 5:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree :)
Vince upgrades Turk the guy taking 40mins of PT. Anderson is going to be better than Battie very soon, maybe this season with tons of PT he’ll get. Pietrus is so good, we alrdy saw him take C. Lee’ mins this last playoffs, its a win now move and w/ or w/o Turk Magic just hugely upgraded.
by derekk on Jun 25, 2009 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The other part of this has to do with how well Pietrus played.
Orlando figured to win a title, we’ll probably have ot go through Kobe and Lebron again. Lee just didn’t have the size to defend those guys and it was Air France who got a bulk of the defensive minutes.
by Lee for three on Jun 25, 2009 5:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Star Ledger says it is a done deal..
http://www.nj.com/sports/mustsee/index.ssf/2009/06/nj_nets_nets_agree_to_move_car.html
"No matter where you go, you are what you are playa"-Jay Z
by Wmillion on Jun 25, 2009 5:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
We all are.
That is,if Hedo stays. If not,call it 50-50 lol
by Dzogi on Jun 25, 2009 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My guess is..
Orlando knows of a team or two is about to back up the truck for Hedo..
"No matter where you go, you are what you are playa"-Jay Z
by Wmillion on Jun 25, 2009 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yea, thats another good point I did not think about.
by derekk on Jun 25, 2009 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
On those 50-50 fans,
I can see the worry and deflty understand. But if the Magic decided to not go into Luxury, what other trade would have been better? SA went after Vince first before getting Jefferson, and I easily see Vinsanity as an upgrade on Turk should he be truly gone. Anderson is that kind of shooter PF we’ve been looking for too, while so decent at 21 yrs old and 1 yr of experience alrdy.
by derekk on Jun 25, 2009 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Vince
On the down side of his career, but he still averaged 20 pts, 5 Rebs, and 5 assist per game.
"No matter where you go, you are what you are playa"-Jay Z
by Wmillion on Jun 25, 2009 5:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yea lol. you kiddig me 20.8 PPG on a downslide. Ill take a bigger "downslide" and be HAPPY still.
by derekk on Jun 25, 2009 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now we need to do a sign and trade w/Turk...
for a powerforward. Any options? Shard could go back to the 3. An allstar could come in at the 4 with Anderson still seeing major minutes. Or we could go small with Peaches at the 2, Vince at the 3 and keep Shard at the 4. So many activities!
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by hevchv on Jun 25, 2009 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I like this
When my brother called asking me if I heard about the trade, I thought he was talking about the Jamal Crawford trade lol. Anyway, I still think well get Hedo back, I dont see him bolting when he could start for a team with our talent.
Shaq sucks.
by Paul Finger on Jun 25, 2009 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whoa
Otis has got some serious huevos to pull this off a day after Shaq goes to Cleveland. I am SHOCKED! Vince Carter & Ryan Anderson?
Quick glance at the salaries for next year, with Vince and Anderson’s contract it puts us at about 68 million for 8 players w/o Turk. Say we pay Turk 9 mil next year, thats 77 plus the league minimum guys we would need to fill out the roster. I’m guessing 80 million in salaries, which will be about 12 million over the tax threshold. The time is now!
Wow. I don’t even know what I’m typing.
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by L Magico on Jun 25, 2009 5:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
But I like it
Shows serious committment from the Front Office.
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"I don't feel this team can beat us four times," Mo Williams 5/21
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