How the Cleveland Cavaliers' Acquisition of Shaquille O'Neal Impacts the Orlando Magic
Just 5 hours before February's trading deadline, when rumors of the Cleveland Cavaliers' acquiring Shaquille O'Neal from the Phoenix Suns first surfaced, I wanted the trade to go through. I figured the Orlando Magic's season ended a little more than two weeks earlier, when Jameer Nelson suffered a severe shoulder injury against the Dallas Mavericks. And the night before the deadline, the New Orleans Hornets drilled Orlando by 32 points on national TV. While I wouldn't necessary root for the Cavs, the prospect of the gregarious O'Neal joining LeBron James in Cleveland made for great theater. Those talks fell through; the Magic made a surprise, 11th-hour deal for Rafer Alston; and went on to defeat Cleveland in a 6-game Eastern Conference Finals series to advance to the NBA Finals against the Los Angeles Lakers.
Now, on the eve of the NBA Draft, O'Neal is indeed headed to Cleveland in exchange for Ben Wallace, Sasha Pavlovic, this year's 46th overall draft selection, and $500,000 cash. The trade gives the Cavs the dominant post presence they lacked in the Eastern Conference Finals against the Magic and Dwight Howard, who exposed their lack of front-line bulk. Howard averaged a personal playoff-best 25.8 points per game in that series, to go with 13 rebounds. He also shot 65.1% from the field and had no trouble scoring over whomever the Cavs threw at him, be it Zydrunas Ilgauskas, Wallace, Anderson Varejao, or Joe Smith. And the Cavs' season ended in a game Howard dominated to the tune of 40 points (14-of-21 shooting) and 14 rebounds.
Somehow, I'm still okay with Shaq joining Cleveland, although I'll quickly tire of the ensuing media circus, which will no doubt touch on his open feud with Magic coach Stan Van Gundy and his constant belittling of Howard, of whom he is (probably) jealous.
With Shaq anchoring the middle, the Cavs have undoubtedly improved from a talent standpoint. Should O'Neal falter in Cleveland, his production will nonetheless trump whatever Wallace or Pavlovic would have provided. Bearing that in mind, is Shaq enough of a difference-maker to vault Cleveland past Orlando in the East? After the jump, a look at what this move means for the Magic's chances of holding off the Cavaliers again next season.
First off, Shaq greatly helps Cleveland's defense in at least one regard: he can defend Howard one-on-one, which in turn enables the rest of the Cavaliers to stay at home on Orlando's three-point shooters. The Magic torched the Cavs for 62 three-pointers in 152 attempts (40.8%) in the Eastern Conference Finals, with many of those looks being wide-open as a result of Cleveland paying too much attention to Howard down low. WIth O'Neal in the fold, Orlando figures to get fewer such opportunities against an otherwise stingy Cleveland defense.
And I don't just say that Shaq can defend Dwight because he's a flippin' giant; in the past, he's been fairly apt at stopping the Magic's franchise center, this monumental flop notwithstanding. Here's a look at their statistics in head-to-head meetings. Note that Howard only averages 7.7 field goal attempts per game against O'Neal, which is far less than his 10.7 career average, which suggests O'Neal does a good job discouraging entry passes to Howard.
Where Shaq's acquisition doesn't help Cleveland is in the pick-and-roll area. In 17 professional seasons, Shaq has yet to master how to defend that play. And at 37, he's ill-equipped to keep up with Howard on the move. If nothing else, the Shaq trade means the Magic must now use more pick-and-roll schemes against Cleveland than they used to. Ilgauskas and Smith, too, struggled to keep up with Howard on the pick-and-roll. Varejao is younger and much more athletic, but lacks the strength to sufficiently bother Howard. Shaq falls squarely in line with Ilgauskas and Smith in this regard, and as such doesn't do much to help Cleveland.
Offensively, Shaq gives the Cavs a low-post scoring option. He's performed well on the low block even against the Defensive Player of the Year. Take another look at that last link showing their head-to-head meetings. Save for a poor 3-for-8 effort against Dwight three years ago, O'Neal has shot no worse than 53.3% against Howard in any other career meeting, and 62.1% overall. Previously, the Cavs had no inside presence of which to speak, relying on long-range shooting from Delonte West and Mo Williams; mid-range shots from Ilgauskas and Smith; and whatever creative finishes James could muster in the lane. Now? They can post-up the Magic's defense, throwing another look at it. But they also lose something, namely the pick-and-pop with Ilgauskas. And it remains to be seen how O'Neal's presence in the lane affects--if at all--James' many forays to the rim. For all we know, he'll just clog everything up. Cavs coach Mike Brown is not known for his offensive creativity. I don't trust him to immediately solve the Cavs' offensive woes, if O'Neal presents them with any.
Think of it this way: Orlando is no slouch on defense, finishing tops in the league in defensive efficiency last season. There's no reason to believe the Magic can't handle Shaq in the low post, even if he has LeBron to draw attention from him.
Another reason for cautious optimism in Orlando is that this trade did nothing to improve the Cavs' depth at the wing positions. James doesn't need much rest, which is the good news for Cleveland. The bad? Cleveland was so thin at the wings that it had to play West 45 minutes per game against Orlando in the Conference Finals. West is a fine player, and perhaps an underrated one, but he should not have to be forced into 45 minutes a night for an NBA championship contender. With Wally Szczerbiak off the books and Pavlovic shipped to the Valley of the Sun, the only swingman joining West on the Cavs' roster next season is Tarence Kinsey, and his deal is non-guaranteed, so says this report on his recent DUI arrest. Cleveland will need to keep busy in tonight's draft--it owns the 30th overall selection--and in free agency in order to round out its collection of shooting guards and small forwards.
Ultimately, the trade improves the Cavaliers, but not enough to assert with any degree of certainty that they are set to leapfrog Orlando. Even at his age, Shaq's a great player--Hell, he led the league in field-goal percentage last year--but he hardly solves all Cleveland's problems. It'll still be vulnerable on the pick-and-roll, and it still needs to stock-up on wing talent. Orlando is still the team to beat out East until the Cavs improve in those two areas.
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Shall be interesting...
Wonder who else Cleveland is gonna go after?
by Stan in a Van (Down by the River) on Jun 25, 2009 9:35 AM EDT reply actions
That may be it for the Cavaliers.
.. this has been a move that’s been simmering for a while.
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.. or it may not.
I think Cleveland will try to continue to improve the roster, if possible.
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Sure.
This is not such a bad move as some are saying. They strenghtened their post presence and left their options open,long term-speaking. Shaq left his prime,but he’ll definitely bother D12 more than Ben,on both ends. And they lost almost nothing. say,good move.
Good move, for sure.
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Most People Forget
Cleveland still has the mid level and will probably add two more strong players before the season starts. Also, Shaq is a one year deal and the Cavs do have the cap space next year to sign both Lebron and another max contract. Chris Bosh anyone?
by Delonte's Inferno on Jun 25, 2009 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Yep. Cleveland has plenty of options.
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I like the trade for the Cavs.
They didn’t really give up much, and I think this is Shaq’s last year in current contract. However, they shoulda done it last year, when Shaq was in decent shape and played well. Another year on the odometer, and another offseason to get fatter? We’ll see how it plays out, maybe Shaq’s favorite people (Kobe and SVG) competed in the Finals gave him some motivation to work hard, who knows.
I'm sure Shaq will stay motivated, especially since Kobe won a ring this year.
.. allegedly, O’Neal is working to get even more fit during the off-season so we’ll see.
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i think dwight howard is going to embarrass shaq when they meet again. he’s gonna make shaq eat all of the trash that came out of his fat mouth. if the cavs add a player like rasheed wallace, good guard, then we’re talking about a vastly improved team. until then, just a pr move.
This is a terrible move by the Suns
I just don’t understand, unless its all about contracts. But even then you are stuck with Wallace’s. Another idiotic move by Steve Kerr. That franchise needs to move HIM before he blows everything to hell.
Ugh.
And having Shaq really, and truly strikes no fear in me as a Magic fan. Now they are forced to play him starters minutes, and I would put money down that Lebron drives to the basket less next season, which is a BOUNTY for all of us. Kobe could drill 3’s and have his midrange game all night long while mixing in drives to keep the defense honest. Lebron? Please.
It is indeed about contracts.
Pavlovic’s deal isn’t guaranteed but for 1.5m, which will save them nearly 5m. Ben Wallace is likely to be willing to take a buyout and retire. This could save them anywhere from 4-5m. So they’re saving 8-10m dollars next season when they recognize they have no chance to contend next season anyway. They’re in blowup mode, and these owners have never been interested in spending.
The only thing that can keep this Cavalier team from a title is was and will always be Mike Brown. There’s a way for Lebron to use his talents with a guy like Shaq on the floor.
First, I agree it's about contracts as well.
But I severely doubt Ben will retire. He is a big drama queen back since his days in Detroit and rarely follows through. And KD over at BDL agrees: he just won’t. Even then that leaves the Suns with about 7 mil to work with which can net them an actually serviceable big man like David Lee or Marcin Gortat. Which I do understand. I take back this being an “idiotic” move by Kerr, but they honestly did not get one player they would actually use, or another team would be interested in trading for.
So this is a win for the Suns (kind of) IF they sign a good big to go with Amare and Lopez. If not? Then why wouldn’t you have traded him to another team and actually gotten something out of it.
This is only the beginning.
As Jwoey said, it’s a cost-saving move .. which makes sense for Phoenix because they’re not competing for titles. They realize the Shaq experiment failed and they’re cutting their losses.
I would expect the Suns to make a run at either Gortat or Lee. That’s a smart move.
We’ll see.
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They have:
Steve Nash, Jason Richardson, Grant Hill, Leandro Barbosa, Amare Stoudemire, and Robin Lopez:
This team should be in win now mode. Not stocking up for the future. They can be REALLY REALLY good with a lot of team balance in the right system. Trading Shaq I am okay with, I just wish they got more out of it.
They're not winning with that group.
.. they couldn’t even make the playoffs.
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The Jason Richardson trade was so bad
It’s very laughable in retrospect they made it.
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I wonder...
..if this will mean that Lebron won’t bother working on developing his post game this summer at all because he knows Shaq is down there. The longer he postpones (pun not intended) this, the better for the league because he looked absolutely sick the 3-4 times he posted up against us. Any defender that can guard him with a scheme on the perimeter would need help in the form of a double team to guard him in the post, so it’s an excellent way for him to keep a defense on its heels in terms of what to expect. (Not that Mike Brown would think to take advantage.) Just a random thought though, since he probably won’t be adding that aspect to his game until later in his career anyways, when his current ‘bull your way to the rim’ game runs its course.
You would think Shaq's presence would negate the possibility of LeBron posting up ..
.. but you never know. It’s hard to predict anything until they each starting playing together.
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I think unless LeBron has a MJ esque level of mid range game
And is committed to playing that way, I don’t see any way in H E double hockey sticks that the Cavs can have a higher level of offensive production.
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I guess the big question about this trade
will be is if you think last year (for Shaq) was a fluke. The 3-4 years prior, he’d been declining steadily in his offensive production. Then out of nowhere he’s averaging nearly 18 a night last year for Phoenix. Personally, I don’t know what to make of that, but I’d feel comfortable in him not repeating that type of performance. The fact is, he’s 37 and has played 17 years in the league already, so we’ll see how this turns out. If he can fight off old age for one more year, then this is a great deal for the Cavs. If his age catches up with him, then it will be looked at as one desperate last bid to convince Lebron they can build a winner around him in Cleveland.
Well, he got himself into shape.
.. and allegedly, Shaq is working even harder this off-season to even more fit to play. I don’t think last year was a fluke, per se. O’Neal finally put his body in a position where he could succeed again in games.
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shaq was def. in better shape this year...
than any recent years. he was actually running the floor consistently. not good if cleveland realizes they can run now with a big that can keep up. be afraid. be very afraid.
Life's too short. Be a fan. Magic, Cards and Rays! What a winning combo.
Whatever happens, should be fun to watch.
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And maybe this is a blessing...
if anything, it could even further convince management of the necessity of re-signing Turk.
I'm on record
I think the Cavs will regret doing this trade.
Read this if you think I’m lying. I base it off the premise TZ made about Amare Stoudemire’s production declining partly because Shaq was in the lane too often for him to be as effective as possible. I think that’s going to have the same effect for LeBron.
But, like anything, punditry is a risky business. I think if Dwight gets stronger in his lower body as ER is always saying, this is all pretty pointless if Meer is healthy. I don’t think the Cavs can stop the Magic team playing at their ultimate best. LA still can, but not Cleveland.
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you are talking about 2 Big men.
He is upgrade, not sure how you regret upgrading your team. Shawn Marion for Shaq wasn’t necessarily an upgrade the points and boards were a wash.
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Great read
I read the Cavs post-up before this one, they’re so funny over there. They still claim they are the team to beat even though they didn’t win their conference..hehe delusion runs high in C-town.
Like I say all the time, don't worry what other people say.
It’s rather pointless to fret over frivolous things.
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Cavs got better
That is for sure. They just trade for a Top 5 center, who shot 60% from field, avg 18 pts, and 8 boards.
Plus they got them for 2 bums. This trade is a big deal!
"No matter where you go, you are what you are playa"-Jay Z
Cleveland definitely got better and it was a good trade for 'em.
.. but can they beat Orlando with that roster? Can’t say for sure.
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no you can't
but, they had us down big early in a lot of games in the playoffs. We always made a run with Lebron out, Shaq should help with that. We will also be a better team, I am sure this will motivate D12.
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I wish you're right. But here's the Q:
Knowing that most of the series vs cavs were pretty tight games,and knowing Dwight’s impact there,do you think we would still won if they had Shaq instead of Ben?
Magic were without Jameer Nelson, to be fair.
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And when they went to the Hack-a-Howard.
we could have just gone to the Hack-a-Shaq. I call that a wash my friends.
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Maybe an advantage for Howard.
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But if it makes LeBron worse?
Or LeBron doesn’t improve his mid-range game, is that a good risk?
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This doesn't even include the ego involved in something like this
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I doubt it makes Lebron worse
I really do, his mid range Jumper is above avg, nothing special, but servicable. Lebron will still have room to operate. If Shaqs man rotates, Lebron will avg 10 assist a game next year.
"No matter where you go, you are what you are playa"-Jay Z
Nah .. the trade won't make LeBron worse.
He’s still going to get his. That won’t be an issue.
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Yeah but how he gets "his" will be
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No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Some people say the Cavs don't play as well when they play slow.
This should slow them down even more like the Suns. ?
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It will be interesting to see how Shaq's health holds up
I know he’s been working to get in better shape, but he’s going from Phoenix (warm, dry, solid contenders for best training/medical staff in the NBA) to Cleveland (cooler, damper, not particularly known for their staff). If Shaq turns into the Big Arthritis, Cleveland’s not going to be happy.
"When you make your final stand
I'll be right there
I'll never leave
And all I ask of you is
Believe"
Shaq may bring the training staff with him, no joke.
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What about Chemistry?
Nobody mentions chemistry; like in the Kobe-Shaq rub… the LBJ-Shaq rub’s even better!
There is NO room for TWO guys with the kind of hyperactive ego that these two have! It will get nasty; and soon. No in a cohesive sporting environment conducive to an NBA Championship. In fact; it may even speed up LeBron’s bolting for NY, or wherever he intends to go.
Yes, this trade DOES present some intriguing possibilities, some favorable to the Cavs, but some REALLY negatives. If it works, it will tighten the head-to-head matchup with the Magic.
If it doesn’t; we’ll se LeBron playing somewhere else… real soon!

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