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What They're Saying Before the Orlando Magic and the Los Angeles Lakers Face Off in the NBA Finals: Part II

  • Bringing Jameer Nelson back for Finals an iffy option for Magic

    George Diaz believes it's a risky proposition for the Magic to bring 'Meer back. 

  • Jameer Nelson closer to getting nod for NBA Finals

    Orlando Magic point guard Jameer Nelson looks to be closer to playing in the NBA Finals against the Los Angeles Lakers as observers said he was flying down the floor, running with the second team in Tuesday's practice. 

    Teammates are convinced that Nelson is making a return after missing four months of the season. 

    Nelson has been trying to come back early from Feb. 19 shoulder surgery and the club is using practices on Tuesday and Wednesday, in Los Angeles, to evaluate whether he can play. 

    "I'm pretty sure he's going to be given the benefit of the doubt. I expect him to be out there sometime during the series," said Anthony Johnson, the veteran back-up point guard to starter Rafer Alston. "You got to play the guys who give you the best chance to win." 

    Johnson might be losing playing time to Nelson. "I'll support whatever decision is made," Johnson said. 

  • Flying high: Magic's Superman Dwight Howard not yet an NBA superstar

    Josh Robbins talks about how Dwight Howard has a chance to become a full-fledged superstar in the eyes of the national media and public because he's playing in the NBA Finals.

  • There's no Laker mystique for Orlando's Dwight Howard

    It would be easy to think that Dwight Howard, for example, would feel a little in awe of pro basketball's biggest stage. After all, he is just 23 years old. 

    But I think that his age will actually work in his favor. For those of us old enough to remember the great Lakers teams of the 1980s, a mystique surrounds the Lakers franchise. This was the team of Kareem, Magic and Big Game James, just to name a few of Los Angeles' stars. 

    Howard has none of those memories. I asked him yesterday if the Lakers carry a mystique in his mind from watching them when he was growing up, and here was his answer: 

    "You're asking a 23-year-old about growing up watching the Lakers," he said, smiling. "To tell you the truth, I really didn't have a chance to watch TV like that, to watch the Lakers. My era was Kevin Garnett, so it wasn't the Lakers. The only Laker tape I had was Magic Johnson's instructional video. So, it wasn't anything with the Lakers. It was just his video."

  • Dwight Howard's Rise Is No Surprise

    Dan Steinberg of The Sporting Blog looks back at the early days of Dwight. 

  • Ultimate Highlight
    SportsCenter shows the best plays from Howard. 

  • Best Of Van Gundy
    SportsCenter reveals Stan Van Gundy's best moments from the playoffs. 

  • Five ways for the Magic to win it all
    Kelly Dwyer of Ball Don't Lie posits five ways Orlando can win it all. 

  • NBA Finals Preview: Orlando Magic vs. Los Angeles Lakers
    Ben Q. Rock, courtesy of Ball Don't Lie, offers his preview of the championship round between the Orlando Magic and the Los Angeles Lakers. 

  • Jeff Van Gundy: Rooting for the Magic
    Brett Pollakoff of NBA FanHouse reveals that Jeff Van Gundy, who will be announcing the NBA Finals on ABC, is rooting for the Magic to win the series. 

    I'm going to try to be as objective as possible," he said, "but I want my brother's team to win; there's no question about that." 

    When Stan Van Gundy's Magic took a 2-1 series lead over the Cavaliers, his younger brother discussed the looming potential conflict with his coordinating producer, Tim Corrigan. 

    "I said, 'Hey, listen, if you guys don't think it's best for me to call the Finals, I'm fine with that, and I understand,''' he said. "I don't want to compromise anything. They said they wanted me to do it.'' 

  • Why the Magic Will Beat the Lakers
    Tim Povtak of NBA FanHouse offers a few reason s why Orlando will beat Los Angeles in the NBA Finals.

  • What the Magic Stand to Gain

    Tom Ziller of NBA FanHouse takes a look at what the Magic gain from winning the Larry O'Brien trophy. 

  • Playoff Prospectus: NBA Finals Preview
    Kevin Pelton of Basketball Prospectus delves into the matchup between the Orlando Magic and the Los Angeles Lakers by breaking things down for both teams and offering his prediction on who will win the series. 

  • NBA Finals: Los Angeles Lakers versus Orlando Magic true-false questions
    UPDATE: ESPN.com assembles analysts and writers to make the true-false calls on 10 questions about the Magic and the Lakers.

  • NBA Finals: Can Andrew Bynum slow down Dwight Howard?
    UPDATE 2: J.A. Adande of ESPN.com examines whether or not Bynum can keep the center battle against the Magic from being one-sided.

  • Dwight Howard-Andrew Bynum matchup among best NBA Finals stories
    UPDATE 3: Scott Howard-Cooper of Sports Illustrated lists the most intriguing Finals storylines. 

  • Shaq's legacy binds Magic, Lakers

    Shaquille O’Neal looms over these NBA Finals, bigger than ever. The Orlando Magic never won a title with him, and Kobe Bryant hasn’t won one without him. The course of two franchises, an NBA neophyte and a forever champion, were transformed when O’Neal left for the Lakers an unlucky 13 years ago for the Magic. 

    Shaq kept saying the Magic were his first choice, but Gabriel confesses now: “I didn’t take him at his word.” 

    No one ever did believe him, and they had good reason to doubt: He wanted to be a movie star, a rapper and part of the Lakers legacy of Wilt and Kareem. 

    Yes, there was drama on Shaq’s way out of town, but it’s hard to know what mattered and what didn’t. Near the start of free agency in the summer of 1996, there was that poll in the Orlando Sentinel where more than 90 percent of the respondents insisted Shaq wasn’t worth $100 million. The poll appeared as Shaq and the Olympic basketball team trained in town. 

    “I heard they rode Shaq pretty hard on it,” Gabriel said. 

    The Team USA players teased Shaq that he wasn’t wanted in Orlando, and Gabriel remembers those closest to the center telling him later: “That was the last straw.” 

    Shaq has a long history of taking slights – real and imagined – as reasons for justifying so many decisions and hurt feelings.

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Stan can do what Jeff never coudl

And win a title….

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by skywaker9 on Jun 2, 2009 4:03 PM EDT reply actions  

I wonder if Nelson is cleared to play and can put a good 10-15min of quality play in a game

if he will end up being the wild card and the difference in the series. I really think this will be a hard fought series. The Magic can’t make the mistakes we made during the Philly/Boston/Cleveland series and get into large deficits early in the game. If Nelson is good to play, I think this might have a story book finish.

by Ahillock on Jun 2, 2009 4:37 PM EDT reply actions  

Orlando can beat L.A. with or without Jameer Nelson.

.. having him, despite the unknowns, certainly helps.

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"Never hate your enemies. It affects your judgement." - Michael Corleone

by erivera7 on Jun 2, 2009 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

eri! you atonish me!!

Go to hear you as fan!! Bro, we ARE gona do it!! NO matter what

BTW!! Shaq can kiss my carsss!! He is a duck!! and a bad rapper if u ask me!!

I will see the Dolphins win a SUPER BOWL before i die(22 years and counting)

by Aleta on Jun 3, 2009 1:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Shaq's not a duck.

He’s not the player he once was, but I’d stop short of calling him a duck. This is a duck.

You see? Medium-sized bird, poor ball-handling skills, almost no post moves. At least give Shaq this much credit.

Yeah, and we broke your damn shot clock too.

by 3.3seconds on Jun 3, 2009 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Shaq may be a bad rapper, but it didn't prevent him from going platinum.

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"Never hate your enemies. It affects your judgement." - Michael Corleone

by erivera7 on Jun 3, 2009 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

It wasn't too surprising, back in the day.

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"Never hate your enemies. It affects your judgement." - Michael Corleone

by erivera7 on Jun 3, 2009 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

It says he recently started full-contact practice,

but I wonder how long he’s been shooting the ball? That’s my biggest concern regarding ‘rust’ on Jameer. I still think it’d be awesome to see him get the 14-16 min that have been going Dad’s way.

"It's difficult to win when you're outscored in every quarter." -Bill Walton

by betterthanburke on Jun 2, 2009 5:12 PM EDT reply actions  

From what I've heard and read, Jameer has been shooting for a while before games.

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"Never hate your enemies. It affects your judgement." - Michael Corleone

by erivera7 on Jun 2, 2009 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol, Dwight howard grew up in the kevin garnett era? lol I didnt even realize there was a KG era…

But yeah, this celtics fan is still bummed about KGs injury and the somewhat wasted season….but no hard feelings, I actually enjoy the magic

by ohc on Jun 2, 2009 6:33 PM EDT reply actions  

I think Dwight is just putting a face to the high-school era that reigned during the early 00's.

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"Never hate your enemies. It affects your judgement." - Michael Corleone

by erivera7 on Jun 2, 2009 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right, I realized that afterwards…although KG wasnt the first to do it, he started a new trend of doing it, and I believe that was dwights favorite player when he was younger…

but there was still no KG era per say, and the question was did he feel laker mystique from growing up watching them, and he said no, he grew up in the KG era

I dont know, confusing…because the lakers won 3 championships with kobe/shaq in that supposed era after all

by ohc on Jun 3, 2009 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, but that was a short-lived era, if we're getting into semantics.

The Celtics and Lakers dominated the 1980’s. Larry Bird v. Magic Johnson.

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by erivera7 on Jun 3, 2009 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dwight's a bit younger than I am

But the mystique for me growing up was the Jordan Bulls. With the Three-peat, the weird guys like Horace “Goggles” Grant and Dennis “What Color’s His Hair Today” Rodman, the Bulls were a lot more interesting than the Lakers. Both the Shaq-Kobe Lakers and KG becoming a franchise player were when Dwight was in high school.

"When you make your final stand
I'll be right there
I'll never leave
And all I ask of you is
Believe"

by The Dark on Jun 4, 2009 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, that was the era I grew up in .. the Jordan era.

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by erivera7 on Jun 4, 2009 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

I just like the way

People have stopped talking about us as a WITNESS to LeBron v Kobe and actually started taking us seriously as a basketball team, even if they don’t think we’ll beat the Lakers.

by eltharion_doa on Jun 2, 2009 9:12 PM EDT reply actions  

Taking us seriously?

Will luv to see where or a link!!
Not from homers, but from umbiase media!!
What i have hear, we are a joke, but the joke is gona be on them!! All those, suposely, experts!

I will see the Dolphins win a SUPER BOWL before i die(22 years and counting)

by Aleta on Jun 3, 2009 2:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

The media, most of them, are picking the Lakers to win but respect is being given to the Magic.

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"Never hate your enemies. It affects your judgement." - Michael Corleone

by erivera7 on Jun 3, 2009 3:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

So! respectfully the media is saying..

“The Magics sucks”.
My glass is have full, cause the media is full of it!! ; )

I will see the Dolphins win a SUPER BOWL before i die(22 years and counting)

by Aleta on Jun 4, 2009 2:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Don't know if you guys read Bill Simmons Finals preview, but it was pretty insulting

Here’s what I wrote to him:

I have to hand it to you, you managed to rip our coach, GM, and entire fanbase in one column. What is your deal man? I’m sorry our team beat your team when you thought there was no way they could win a game 7 in Boston. Get over it, it’s over. Magic fans have suffered too and it’s time for us to get our due. FYI, this isn’t from a three month fan that you have branded us all as. This is a “three brick Nick,” “feels good to be in the second round,” “Orlando Magic select Reece Gaines,” level fan. You had your championship last year, it’s our time now.

By the way, you’re not an idiot for picking the Magic to lose twice. As a member of the national media, you had no reason to watch Magic games for years. You obviously didn’t watch this team enough to see all the mismatches they had in store for Cleveland. You get a mulligan but your still an A hole for bashing an entire fanbase.

One Freaken Second

by magic fanatic on Jun 3, 2009 2:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Don't you mean, "four brick Nick"?

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by erivera7 on Jun 3, 2009 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

That incident's not supposed to be mentioned

Ever. That’s like having a bottle of Jack around a recovering alcoholic. It makes grown men weep.

"When you make your final stand
I'll be right there
I'll never leave
And all I ask of you is
Believe"

by The Dark on Jun 3, 2009 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hah.

.. well, maybe the team can exorcise its demons in the Finals.

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"Never hate your enemies. It affects your judgement." - Michael Corleone

by erivera7 on Jun 3, 2009 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's what inspired me to write back

Of course, that’s probably what he’s trying to do.

One Freaken Second

by magic fanatic on Jun 3, 2009 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can hardly read his articles sometimes

B/c I roll my eyes so much that a couple of paragraphs in I look like the Exorcist.

Shut up, Mo.

by Stan in a Van (Down by the River) on Jun 3, 2009 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOL

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by erivera7 on Jun 3, 2009 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

However, he does give them some credit

Now they’re a legitimate threat to win the title. I swear to God. Even I wouldn’t bet against them at this point. Mainly because I have nothing left to bet.

[….]

Here’s what we know: Accident or not, Orlando’s nucleus and mindset are perfect for the current era. The slash-and-kick game is in vogue, 3-pointers are going up … I mean, you WANT a team that plays like this, and you’re better off playing smallball than any other style. Orlando has the perfect “power forward” for the modern game, namely Lewis, a matchup nightmare on one end and someone with enough size to bother most low-post players on the other end.

[….]

The big difference between the ‘09 Magic and everyone else before them: They can play smallball without getting destroyed on the boards thanks to Howard. In their 19 playoff games so far, they finished with more rebounds only six times; in the Boston series, they were outrebounded in six of the seven games. But the Magic were never outrebounded by more than eight boards; only three times were they even outrebounded by seven or eight. That’s why the Magic don’t have off nights.

by Ben Q Rock on Jun 3, 2009 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Anytime he gives the team credit

It seems like a backhanded compliment. I’ll continue to read his stuff because he is a good writer, but damn this was insulting.

One Freaken Second

by magic fanatic on Jun 3, 2009 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

.. he is wrong in saying that the Magic are "okay" defensively.

Last I checked, being ranked #1 in defensive efficiency is better than okay.

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by erivera7 on Jun 3, 2009 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

he’s clearly biased, but Orlando did knock out his suad in dramatic fashion

One Freaken Second

by magic fanatic on Jun 3, 2009 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh well.

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"Never hate your enemies. It affects your judgement." - Michael Corleone

by erivera7 on Jun 3, 2009 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I really don't get how the Magic's lineup counts as "small ball".

You have Dwight, who’s bigger and stronger than most centers; a 6’10" guy at the 3; pretty average height at the guard positions. So the only player who’s of below-average size for his position is Lewis — and even he has average if not above-average height for a PF. He’s just skinny, is all.

Yeah, and we broke your damn shot clock too.

by 3.3seconds on Jun 3, 2009 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Because Orlando plays "small".

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by erivera7 on Jun 3, 2009 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Because to a Boston fan, anyone more graceful than Glen "Sumo" Davis is playing small ball

To be fair, neither Turk nor Lewis rebounds like a 6’10" guy, and they’re more slashers than “traditional” post forwards, but Rashard can play big when he needs to. It’s just not what he’s most comfortable with.

"When you make your final stand
I'll be right there
I'll never leave
And all I ask of you is
Believe"

by The Dark on Jun 4, 2009 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

See, I knew Laker fans and Magic fans could agree...

Bill Simmons is a douche bag.

Well, sir, you are a cowardly son of a bitch! You just shot an unarmed man!.......Well, he should have armed himself if he's going to decorate his saloon with my friend. – Will Munny

by pslakerfan on Jun 3, 2009 8:53 PM EDT reply actions  

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