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Ultimately, it’s thought that the Blazers are trying to clear cap space – perhaps as much as $10 million – and multiple league executives think Portland is determined to sign Orlando Magic free agent Hedo Turkoglu.

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Not surprised at the news.

Portland has always been rumored to be a team interested in acquiring Hedo.

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by erivera7 on Jun 19, 2009 10:38 PM EDT reply actions  

Bad news :/

They’ll get to drive up Hedo’s price at the very least it seems. But hopefully they stay with the draft or another FA like Kidd.

by derekk on Jun 19, 2009 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I see why.

He is a great fit for them. I hope we can keep him though.

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by Wmillion on Jun 19, 2009 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

The plot thickens...

dun, dun, dunnnnn!

(which is basically me covering my ears saying ‘I can’t heaaaaar you!’) Doing my best not to stress until I need to haha.

by Stan in a Van (Down by the River) on Jun 19, 2009 11:23 PM EDT reply actions  

I don't think this happens.

Turkoglu would be a good fit for us. His signing would make a lot of Blazer fans happy. And it might be possible to open up enough room to get him, but it would take a lot of finagling and trading to do it. It just sounds too complicated to get enough space to make it realistic. We’ll be lucky to clear $6 million in cap space without renouncing valuable players. Sure, none of them are as good as Turkoglu, but we have to renounce them before July 1st. And signings can’t happen until the moratorium ends. I don’t see Portland taking that kind of risk. That, and few teams are willing to take on salary right now, ruling out most trade possibilities.

At this point, I’ve heard so many rumors that Portland has been involved in that I’ve come to the conclusion that I’ll believe it when I see it. Portland has some cap space this offseason, a lot of young talent, some roster congestion, an owner who isn’t afraid to spend money, even in this economic climate and a GM whom Phoenix GM Steve Kerr once called the man who calls up most often. Rumors are bound to be started. And Portland has been finding its way into a lot of them lately.

Portland will probably do something. But with as many possibilities as exist, nailing down the one before it happens is highly improbable.

And congratulations on the NBA Finals appearance. Hope we get to have one (and preferably more) soon.

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by T Darkstar on Jun 19, 2009 11:48 PM EDT reply actions  

Hello :)

From what I understand, POR has 13 players next yr alrdy with still 5.4mil cap room. But it seems SF Outlaw is ungarantueed next yr if POR so chooses.

by derekk on Jun 19, 2009 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Blake and Outlaw are unguaranteed.

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by erivera7 on Jun 20, 2009 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yea, but

No way at all they dump Blake to help them grab Turk. They dont want Sergio, so left with 1 PG… downgraded… when they came into summer trying to upgrade it.

by derekk on Jun 20, 2009 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Great thoughts.

I had the same feelings as I began to ponder how in the heck Portland would maneuver its roster to clear cap space and make a run at Hedo Turkgolu. I assume the Blazers would have to let Blake and Outlaw walk to make any realistic offer to Turk. I’m assuming these are the ‘valuable players’ being referred to.

Thanks for the congrats, btw.

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by erivera7 on Jun 20, 2009 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yep,

I think if they get rid of Webster or Frye along with Sergio and pay less money in return, it’ll increase the chance to sign Turk. Frye might make a good fit on Magic btw, a shooting PF, but not really tough from what I know I think.

by derekk on Jun 20, 2009 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Frye is terrible.

.. no thanks.

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by erivera7 on Jun 20, 2009 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

I disagree. When given regular playing time, he was a pretty decent option (see any time when Aldridge was injured). He is truly terrible in spot minutes, but would be a very nice player with 24 MPG.

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by Cablinasian on Jun 20, 2009 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

.. he had an adjusted plus/minus of -15.70 this season.

A PER of 10, a WARP of -1.0 .. I can go on. Terrible.

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by erivera7 on Jun 21, 2009 2:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

It looks like Portland has already picked up Blake's option.

link.

I think I heard the same thing about Outlaw, but I don’t have a link for that one.

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by T Darkstar on Jun 20, 2009 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

the deals aren’t options, they’re nonguaranteed. AKA, the deals are “picked up” unless KP decides to cut them before July.

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by Cablinasian on Jun 20, 2009 3:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Correct.

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by erivera7 on Jun 20, 2009 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

They could send Sergio Rodriguez to a team with a trade exception just for a future pick (or the chance to swap picks)

That would save $1.5 million. Theoretically they could do the same with Outlaw sending him to Memphis who long had an interest in him and the necessary cap space. But I don’t see that happening.

by Norsktroll on Jun 20, 2009 1:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Who could you see

the Blazers moving if we did a sign/trade?

OR is that even something you believe would be an option?

Just banter, nothing serious.

by fwedo on Jun 20, 2009 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

In a sign and trade...

Travis Outlaw is certainly a possibility. Outlaw is a spectacular bench guy. But has too many weaknesses to be a legitimate starter. Might be he fifth best sixth man in the league last year. And handles that role very well. Blazers give him up because of the logjam at the SF and nearly zero time behind Aldridge. And if Turkoglu is coming in, our SF logjam gets even worse.

Martell Webster, another SF could be a possibility. Beautiful jumpshot. But injured all of last season, save 4 minutes against toronto where he aggravated his injury. Probably not a positive sign, but Webster, if healed is not a bad player.

Jerryd Bayless, 2008 Summer league MVP, which means absolutely squat. But has a ton of potential and can get to the rim like no one’s business.

Sergio Rodriguez, 3rd year spanish PG. Has asked to get out of Portland. Would play well in a high tempo situation where he’s allowed to be creative with the ball. Don’t know if Orlando would be a place where that could happen.

Blazer fans would not like to see this happen, but Rudy Fernandez is also a possibility. One of the best players from Spain in the NBA today. Set the record for 3’s made by a rookie this last year. Creative, a crowd pleaser. I don’t see Portland giving him up though.

Most everyone else on the roster is pretty set, I think, unless someone better than Turkoglu is available.

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by T Darkstar on Jun 20, 2009 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Also, Frye is probably going to be non-tendered.

Unless a sign-and-trade happened wit him. But did not have a good season this last year. Is basically a 6’ 11" “power” forward. He shoots almost exclusively jump shots, and doesn’t hit them at a good rate, and doesn’t rebound well either. Of course, it could be that he got hardly any minutes behind Aldridge and Outlaw.

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by T Darkstar on Jun 20, 2009 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

I find Bayless to be a very intriguing option

long term from the Magic perspective. A young, explosive backcourt to counter the more experienced (and slower) front-court of Shard and Dwight.

It makes sense for the Magic in terms of having someone to relieve Jameer but probably handle some SG if needed as well. Also, Outlaw (or Frye, or both) could sit behind Pietrus and then we suddenly have solid depth behind every starter except Dwight. A solid rotation.

by fwedo on Jun 20, 2009 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Portland will also have the cap space to make an unbalanced trade.

Salaries don’t have to match if Portland is under the cap. Well, at least up to the amount Portland is under the cap. Like the Clippers acquiring Marcus Canby last summer.

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by T Darkstar on Jun 20, 2009 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

A hypothetical example would be:

Orlando signs Turkoglu for $10 million

Travis Outlaw’s $3.6 million contract and Jerryd Bayless’s $2.1 million contract.

Normally, these players couldn’t be traded because of the mismatch in salary. But, let’s assume Portland is $5 million under the salary cap. Outlaw and Bayless could be traded straight up for Turkoglu, with Portland absorbing the excess contract dollars. And Portland is one of the few teams that are willing to take on extra salary, hence it is a feasible deal.

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by T Darkstar on Jun 20, 2009 1:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bayless is the only player that interests me, personally.

.. the Magic already have a sixth man in Mickael Pietrus, so that eliminates Outlaw. Webster and Rodriguez wouldn’t see the light of day on Orlando’s roster. Yo quiero Rudy! Ahora!

Eh.

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by erivera7 on Jun 20, 2009 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nevermind. Pietrus would start, Outlaw would back-up.

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by erivera7 on Jun 20, 2009 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooooooo :(

We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors.

by TheGiantSquid on Jun 19, 2009 11:57 PM EDT reply actions  

I know some people may get concerned but here's the deal ..

As T Darkstar said, Portland has to do some maneuvering to make a run at Hedo Turkoglu. Orlando doesn’t have to do that, it just has to offer Turk money. There are less obstacles for the Magic. It’s about the paper.

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by erivera7 on Jun 20, 2009 12:04 AM EDT reply actions  

Blazer fan here… i think it’s a ruse.

In the Blazer high-low zone offense, the small forward is the weakside cornerman and Brandon Roy is the ballside wing who initiates the offense. Turkoglu’s skill set doesn’t fit what we need… his skills would be wasted standing in the corner.

Add in to that the fact that Orlando can sign him easier… I don’t see it happening.

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by Cablinasian on Jun 20, 2009 12:20 AM EDT reply actions  

Doesn't necessarily have to happen that way.

But I think it probably would. I think Turkoglu fits better in your system than ours, and you’re in a better position to keep him than we are to get him.

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by T Darkstar on Jun 20, 2009 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nate’s offense is predicated on the weakside guy sticking in the corner to space the floor. He’s used the same offense with a veteran team in Seattle and a young team in Portland… I dunno if he changes it now.

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by Cablinasian on Jun 20, 2009 3:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Doubt it.

.. and I don’t blame him. Portland was 1st in offensive efficiency this season.

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by erivera7 on Jun 20, 2009 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Although we were ninth in eFG%. A lot of our offensive dominance was due to the insane offensive rebounding of Aldridge, Oden, Przybilla, and Batum.

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by Cablinasian on Jun 20, 2009 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

although some of the credit should go to Nate’s offense for keeping the center and small forward in optimal offensive rebounding position.

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by Cablinasian on Jun 20, 2009 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yup.

.. there’s always ways of compensating for this and that.

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by erivera7 on Jun 21, 2009 3:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

That's honestly what I expected him to command.

He would have been making $7.3 mil if he didn’t opt out. I don’t think he’d opt out to make that 7.3 an 8.1. He also obviously wants to re-up for long term security. If he didn’t opt out, a bad year could have dropped his price significantly. But seeing as what he was making prior to his past couple break out seasons I expected him to go for no less than $9 mil…so $10 isn’t that big of a surprise.

by Lee for three on Jun 20, 2009 1:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Another Blazer fan here...

One of my good buddies is a die-hard Magic fan but he always hates on Hedo. He says that he usually vanishes in the playoffs, this year being the exception. Would any of the rest of you agree with that?

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by GonzoFan on Jun 20, 2009 1:05 AM EDT reply actions  

I would say

that that overall assessment is incorrect.

I do believe however that Turk’s legs catch up to him, and for someone who runs the court, and is so heavily involved he does not have superior athleticism.

by fwedo on Jun 20, 2009 1:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Gotcha.

We’ll take him then. : )

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by GonzoFan on Jun 20, 2009 1:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Heh.

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by erivera7 on Jun 20, 2009 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Vanishes in the playoffs?

Yeah .. no.

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by erivera7 on Jun 20, 2009 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

this site is cooooool beans man.

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by faith on Jun 20, 2009 1:10 AM EDT reply actions  

The Internet.

Where Blazers Fans happen.

:p

Sorry for taking over your post.

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by T Darkstar on Jun 20, 2009 1:14 AM EDT reply actions  

never.

it’s refreshing to not have any trash talking occur.

just smart, and often silly, basketball talk.

It’s good for the world!

by fwedo on Jun 20, 2009 1:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's cool.

The conversation has been great .. we’re always up for discussion.

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by erivera7 on Jun 20, 2009 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

I put both Blazersedge and TQC in the top five SBN communities. Well informed fans.

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by Cablinasian on Jun 20, 2009 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the compliment.

That’s nice of you to say.

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by erivera7 on Jun 21, 2009 2:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Blazers Edge HIJACK!!

No not really, but I think you should not be worried.

From what I have seen, Hedo had one good year last year and by some accounts this year statistically, it seems that he has not had as good a year shooting. He seems to be a good playmaker for his position, can create his own shot, and is clutch, right? That is why he is so valuable to you guys and around the league, the fact that he can get a good shot for himself and can convert in crunch time.

To me it seems that he and Roy have very similar games, both crafty and somehow find a way to get their shots off and can hit in the clutch.

Now Hedo is good, but in our offense we need the SF to play lockdown D and hit 3pters to open the court for Roy, LMA and Oden (soon). While Hedo is good at 3s, I would imagine that you would agree that he is far from a lockdown D’er.

Lastly Hedo is clutch, no denying it, but so is Roy and no offense, if it was game 7 of the finals vs the Cle., 10 seconds to go I would want the ball in the hands of Roy, not Hedo. Personal preference of course being a Blazer fan, but you see my point. Add in the fact that Roy is due a max contract extension, figure $10m for Hedo, and 11-14m for LMA and that is almost $40m for only 3 players.

I like Hedo and think he is a god player but the price is too much for us and I for one am very happy with Batum as our starting SF, as are KP and Nate. Word on the street is that KP had a deal for Gerald Wallace on the table but Cha wanted Batum in the deal and KP said no way. Take it for what its worth, but Batum will be here for a while and we need to do as much as we can to further his development and adding Hedo would be very expensive and would leave no time for Nic to develop.

Rest easy, Orlandians(?) you do not have to worry about us Blazers.

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NAIA Wisconsin-Stevens Point
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by SpyderRyder on Jun 20, 2009 1:58 AM EDT reply actions  

I think I know that

And you know that.

But does your GM know that?

by eltharion_doa on Jun 20, 2009 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Pshhhh

How do you see Cle. getting to the Finals?

jk, good post

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by betterthanburke on Jun 20, 2009 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

touche'

nice one. What I meant was Orlando and Hedo facing his old team, who would you want with the ball in his hands 10 sec to go down 1, Roy or Hedo?

Collegiate stats:

NCAA Arizona:
Jerryd Bayless: 19.7pts, 4.0 asts, 3to

NAIA Wisconsin-Stevens Point
Terry Porter: 19.7pts, 4.3 asts, 2.33to

by SpyderRyder on Jun 20, 2009 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

then we'll see you there!!

GL

Collegiate stats:

NCAA Arizona:
Jerryd Bayless: 19.7pts, 4.0 asts, 3to

NAIA Wisconsin-Stevens Point
Terry Porter: 19.7pts, 4.3 asts, 2.33to

by SpyderRyder on Jun 20, 2009 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hedo is an underrated defender, actually.

Part of that is Howard, part of that is Turkoglu, part of that is Stan Van Gundy’s scheme.

.. but, your rationale makes sense. It doesn’t make sense to throw money at Turk when his skills wouldn’t be used to the fullest. This is exactly why I’m not worried about the ‘Turkish Delight’ leaving. There’s not many teams in the NBA that can offer the leeway that he gets with the Orlando Magic.

Here’s a prime example of a team (Portland Trail Blazers) with the money but not the opportunity. It’s entirely plausible that Turkoglu says, whatever, and takes the money. But I don’t think that’ll happen.

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by erivera7 on Jun 20, 2009 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

yeah he has you guys between a rock and a hard spot

after giving that abhorrently hideous contract to Rashard, you guys are going to be in cap hell for the next 3-4 years and Hedo knows that he is in the position of power and can a lot more $$ with his performance.

I for one think we should go after a FA Kidd to try to bridge the next few years to Bayless, who could fill in that Tony Parker role with the team. He just needs to get more than the 655 mins he got last year and he will be fine.

Collegiate stats:

NCAA Arizona:
Jerryd Bayless: 19.7pts, 4.0 asts, 3to

NAIA Wisconsin-Stevens Point
Terry Porter: 19.7pts, 4.3 asts, 2.33to

by SpyderRyder on Jun 20, 2009 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wouldn't necessarily be a bad idea for ya'll.

Kidd would be a good pickup for the Blazers.

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by erivera7 on Jun 21, 2009 2:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

yeah he is the most

available, has probably 2-3 years left in the tank and with Bayless we could run a platoon much like we did 2 years ago with Blake 29 mpg and Jack 27mpg. Kidd/Bayless is unquestionably more talented than those 2 and it would work out perfect.

Lower Kidds mins to exr\tend his usefulness even more and give Bayless more mins to advance his development. Win-win.

Collegiate stats:

NCAA Arizona:
Jerryd Bayless: 19.7pts, 4.0 asts, 3to

NAIA Wisconsin-Stevens Point
Terry Porter: 19.7pts, 4.3 asts, 2.33to

by SpyderRyder on Jun 21, 2009 4:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, that was what I was thinking.

.. I think an even distribution of minutes makes the most sense, given that Kidd isn’t getting any younger and Bayless needs the playing time to continue to develop as a player.

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by erivera7 on Jun 21, 2009 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Adding to what erivera said above, here is a recent tweet by Ric Bucher
These 6 days are my most crazed: trade rumors galore, 87 pct nonsensical, 9 pct plausible fiction, 3 pct true but dead, 1 pct in play.

I would put this into “plausible fiction”. Pritchard and friends said they make over 200 mock drafts, discuss ca. 100 NBA players who might be attractive, etc. One of the best free agents in the 2009 pool is bound to come up in a few of these scenarios, with a few calls exchanged. Hedo would help to answer some questions at small forward the Blazers have (with Nic Batum developing in his shadow), but probably it won’t happen. At the last deadline the Blazers had talks about Danny Granger, Gerald Wallace, Vince Carter, Richard Jefferson, …

by Norsktroll on Jun 20, 2009 2:01 AM EDT reply actions  

Here is an article by Wendell Maxey (Hoopsworld) on his own blog about the Blazers war room as relayed by an insider

http://www.beyondthebeat.net/20090617294/2009-articles/may/inside-portlands-qwar-roomq.html

It’s easy to imagine most teams having similar setups and talking and e-mailing and messaging and I don’t know what like crazy in that last week. And then someone who is more or less in the loop of talks tells the press which players they are interested in. Maybe they still are, maybe they have moved on. It’s almost impossible to know.

by Norsktroll on Jun 20, 2009 2:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Makes sense.

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by erivera7 on Jun 20, 2009 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think the Blazers have to clear that much room

They’re on between $48m and $51m next season according to figures I’ve seen (depends on who’s hit performance escalations this season), so if it falls to arround the alleged projected level of $57.3m, the Blazers can clear enough by either not putting the qualifying offer to Frye, or renouncing Outlaw.

That will give them enough to offer Hedo an average $10m a year, although if they have a lot of performance escalations they may have to backload it slightly.

by eltharion_doa on Jun 20, 2009 10:08 AM EDT reply actions  

A point forward for Portland makes a lot of sense.

It would be an offense built more like the Lakers, with a lot of shot creation coming from position other than the 1. With a player like Bayless, this could be a godsend, allowing him to play off the ball more, or allowing them to play a shooter at the 1 kind of like we did with JJ for a stint in the finals.

If this happens, it will be a S&T, and I’ll take back Rudy Fernandez por favor

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by Eyriq the Red on Jun 20, 2009 10:41 AM EDT reply actions  

I don't even know who I would want in a sign-and-trade, theoretically.

.. just goes to show you how confident or naive I am in thinking Hedo will stay.

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by erivera7 on Jun 20, 2009 10:48 AM EDT reply actions  

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