Orlando Magic News for June 18th: Hedo Turkoglu Dominates The Headlines
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Turkoglu to Europe Not So Crazy a Thought
More Hedo Turkoglu news, courtesy of Bethlehem Shoals of The Baseline.Hedo Turkoglu might yet turn into the hot story of the summer. And throw a whole 'nother monkey wrench into this most strange of summers. According to The Hoop, Hedo hasn't received an overseas offer, but isn't ruling out that possibility: [...]
But foreigners aren't all about just being happy to be here, or proving their people can hang. Hedo's over that. He's in line for someone to pay him like a star, and if that's not going to happen in America -- his adopted basketball home, the place he thought he'd infiltrated like a son of the soil -- then it might have to go down back in Europe. It's so obvious, and emotional, that I can't believe no one thought of it before.I wouldn't read too much into the news.
The odds that Turk goes overseas next season are low. This type of storyline springs up during the off-season, just have to take it with a grain of salt.
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Derek Fisher proves titles not won with great point guards
Scott Howard-Cooper of Sports Illustrated provides this interesting tidbit.Jerry Crowe of the Los Angeles Times connected the dots: Hedo Turkoglu was on the Kings when Robert Horry hit the historic shot in the 2002 Western Conference finals. Turkoglu was on the Spurs when Fisher's twisting fling of a buzzer-beater delivered an improbable victory in Game 5 of the 2004 second round. Turkoglu was on the Magic when Fisher burned Orlando with two series-turning three-pointers in Game 4 of the 2009 Finals. He's haunted.
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X’s & O’s of Basketball: The 5 Angles of the Ball Screen
Coach Bruchu of the X's and O's of Basketball talks about the ball screen. I felt this was something relevant to post, given that the Orlando Magic run a ton of pick & rolls as the primary offensive sets. Doesn't hurt to gain a better understanding of how this particular play works in basketball.With the NBA and college seasons done and a break in my studies, I'm starting to go through all the notes I've colle cted over the past year. I went through one today I thought was worth talking about, Ganon Baker calls it "the 5 angles of the ball screen" (side, middle, flat, horns, baseline step-up).
- In case you haven't read my analysis and news update on Fran Vazquez earlier this morning, you can click here to check out the post.
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2009 Finals SPM Scores
UPDATE: Neil Paine of Basketball-Reference provides the statistical plus/minus numbers for the 2009 NBA Finals and for the entire playoffs, too. -
Rafer to the Hawks? AJC columnist prefers Alston to Bibby
UPDATE 2:Atlanta Journal-Constitution columnist Jeff Schultz is calling for the Hawks to forgo any attempt to re-sign free-agent point guard Mike Bibby and instead make a deal for the Magic's Rafer Alston. How about Marvin Williams in return?
Let the Rafer Alston talks commence.
It seems like Alston is a goner in Orlando one way or another. What do you guys think? Would it bother you to trade him away inside the division?
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There are some days I like Scoop (Howard-Cooper)
And, there are days I just wish he would not write the things he does.
Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Jun 18, 2009 4:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
So which one is it this time?
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by erivera7 on Jun 18, 2009 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dislike
This is probably my favorite post of his that I can honestly remember really enjoying. (I also remember it having a headshot of Shawes and JT’s eyes. But, I can’t seem to find that one. Maybe I’m just stupid and looking in the wrong place. Oh well.)
Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Jun 18, 2009 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Marvin Williams would not fit well here
Unless he develops a consistent 3, he’s the 07-08 Trevor Ariza.
by bandrewg08 on Jun 18, 2009 8:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, that's the first thing that popped into my mind.
I like Williams but he would need to improve his three-point shooting.
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by erivera7 on Jun 18, 2009 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He shoots 36%...
…better than Rafer…
but I think if we were to trade Skip we could get better value, and another team really.
by fwedo on Jun 18, 2009 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ideally, the Magic should want to get a guy that can shoot roughly 40% from beyond the arc.
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by erivera7 on Jun 18, 2009 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Williams shot 32-of-87 (36.8%) from the corners this year, for what it's worth.
Pietrus was 52-of-138 (37.8%) from the same spots.
In other words, Williams appears to have developed a semi-reliable three-point shot.
by Ben Q Rock on Jun 18, 2009 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mastering the corner three is a start.
.. that’s what Trevor Ariza did.
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by erivera7 on Jun 19, 2009 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And doesn't he make more $ than Alston?
Another problem, that’d be less Hedo-cash.
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by betterthanburke on Jun 18, 2009 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep, he makes a few million more next season.
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by erivera7 on Jun 18, 2009 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can't see how Williams would work
One of the nice things about Hedo is that he’s steady. He doesn’t explode at one time like Lewis or Howard, but he’s simply steady. SVG likes knowing that, and it helps knowing that he can rely on Hedo for all kinds of things.
I love Starvin’ Marvin, but at the same time, he doesn’t seem like a good fit to me. More of a higher drafted Mickeal Pietrus with more hype and more talent redux to me.
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by pookeyguru on Jun 18, 2009 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, he wouldn't be a good fit for Orlando.
Ben echoes my sentiment, below.
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by erivera7 on Jun 19, 2009 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we're on the topic
of trading Rafer…
what about Craig Smith from the Timberwolves? PF who isn’t tall but productive with a PER of 17 in 20 minutes a game with 10 points and 6 rebounds? Contract at 2.5ish mil. AND the Timberwolves don’t have a distinct leader in their PG race.
…they also have Kevin Love at the PF and Jefferson at the C, so do they need this kid?
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by fwedo on Jun 18, 2009 9:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
No opinion either way on Smith
But surely if we’re moving Rafer, it’ll be for a genuine C.
Going back to the Hawks, maybe Rafer for Pachulia and their second rounder? But then they’d be in the same “no backup C” position we are. Maybe they’ll sign Gortat to be their starter and move Horford to the 4…
by eltharion_doa on Jun 18, 2009 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually
Pachulia isn’t under contract with them next season, so scrub that.
by eltharion_doa on Jun 18, 2009 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm a fan of Craig Smith and Zaza Pachulia.
by Ben Q Rock on Jun 18, 2009 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, with Gortat most likely gone
any trade involving Alston needs to accomplish 2 things:
1) save us some money to give to Hedo
2) bring in a reliable back-up big man
So while I’m a fan of Marvin Williams, he does neither of those things and I certainly don’t see him as a Turkoglu replacement if for some reason we are unable to re-sign him.
by Lee for three on Jun 18, 2009 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would agree with your keys in trading Alston.
.. and what should be accomplished with the move.
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by erivera7 on Jun 19, 2009 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I liked Pachulia when he was with the Magic but i think he's developed his game
more with the Hawks. The only thing is Zsa Asa and Dwight seem to get into it a lot on the floor bangin each other around. He’s turned into the enforcer with the Hawks. Would give the Magic some muscle. Plays pretty good defense and rebounds.
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by Surfdog on Jun 19, 2009 1:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's a free agent and it's unlikely Orlando will sign him.
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by erivera7 on Jun 19, 2009 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
vander weide exploring going into the luxury tax
http://www.nba.com/magic/news/anezsez.html
scott anez’ blog. talks about the magic going into the tax to re-sign hedo and to go after a PF. the first name on the list of potential targets is brandon bass who i would be absolutely ecstatic to get. he is a beast down low, rebounds well and can hit the outside jumper.
also talks about trading rafer, which i now see as a given. rafer + battie could net us something, cap room at the minimum.
i think we are actually going to see a good amount of action from our squad. i’m real happy that it looks like we are taking the initiative…
by coque429 on Jun 19, 2009 2:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah ..
.. it’s been confirmed that the Magic will enter the luxury tax to re-sign Turkoglu. I definitely think Alston will get moved, as he should (I like him but he needs to be traded). That will clear cap space so that the team can go after a big to replace Marcin Gortat, who will bounce for free agency next month.
As you said, it’s good that the team is taking the initiative. To be frank, Orlando has no choice.
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by erivera7 on Jun 19, 2009 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs


















