Playing Devil's Advocate over the Value of Rashard Lewis
by derekk on Jun 17, 2009 8:53 PM EDT
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PrintLettin Turk go now, Battie and Alston next summer only puts the Magic under 5-6mil CAP, so they can only outright sign a FA in that category. An idea we've been throwing around the last few days because it was presumed to allow outright signing of a superstar, which is false. This is why you need to resign Turk period. Theres some interesting sign and trade ideas out there where you can convert that 20-24MM of Turk/Alston/Battie to a superstar or swap Turk by himself, but thats complicated trades unlikely to happen, most or all of which are not worth it at all imo.
Thats why Im starting to look at vet PFs, low level FAs to trade exception/trade for. Also Lewis is the cap killer for the Magic’s cap situation, so trading him would be good, but might plunge the Magic into rebuilding for however many seasons the incoming player(s) contract(s)’ lasts. Trading Lewis is not a Zach Randolph/Marbury/Tinsley situation because Lewis is a tough working All Star and clutch sharpshooter, but it would be almost as hard as along those lines. Once again, very, very likely better to keep him imo. Seems alittle foolish to break up either forwards from the Magic team that just made a Finals run.
Given that, Iv gone ahead and thrown some crazy trades out there involving Lewis for half-fun, half-serious looks at. Iv gone ahead and started discussions about them in other team blogs from this SBnetwork. Take a look at the two:
http://www.slcdunk.com/2009/6/16/911976/offseason-questions-a-trade
Trade involves losing Lewis only and taking the main FA incoming for 2 seasons more before giving a huge salary relief. We've alrdy talked about him alittle bit (AK-47!) in previous comments. Here is a scouting report on him:
http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/players/hollinger?playerId=434
After I read that, it sounded a much better fit to the Magic than I thought before.
This is the other:
http://www.clipsnation.com/2009/6/17/912410/3-way-trade
Trade involves losing Lewis and Nelson. Taking Baron Davis and Tracy McGrady. Before you freak out, think about it alittle. Baron Davis is an upgrade on Nelson IMO. Here is his scouting report:
http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/players/hollinger?playerId=194
As you can see, Baron is clearly a top defensive guard on top of the impressive nearly 2 SPG, 8 APG, and 15-17 PPG. A look at Baron's level of intensity when playing is correlated directly to how good the team is that season as well, its a hard to measure stat but seems true on the surface. So playing with the Magic would have him in tip top shape and focus. (hopefully)
Now about T-Mac... I have no intention of him playing for the Magic at all! I dont want him taking 1 minute from C. Lee's playing time. I want him, becuase he swaps out with Lewis' LONG- term contract and gives the Magic 22.4MM for about 19.7 MILLION in CAP ROOM in 2010 summer! Thats just 1 (reiterating, just 1!) "rebuilding" season (this next season) so that Tmacs contract comes off the books (the next summer, the summer of BIG Agents, and the summer of new Arena opening, With Dwight/Lee/MP/Turk-if the Magic want to resign or not/Baron core too. Then, that truly means the Magic are fully capable of out-right signing a superstar contract, and some left over after!
What do you guys think? (funny side note: iv traded every magic player outside of dwight in one trade or another haha) Amend/change the trades if you like, or add a new trade completely regarding Rashard Lewis.
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The Magic, under no circumstances, should tank a year .. at all.
You can’t just waste a season away in hopes of maybe signing a big free agent. That’s just not smart.
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Yeah
That’s something that teams in the 7-10 seed hell do because they have little chance of either contending or getting better. When you have a team that just got to the Finals, you go with what you have.
Right, exactly.
The Magic are fine as is .. just need to re-sign Hedo, find a replacement for Gortat, and move on.
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I know he didn't look good in Boston...
…but how would you feel about Mikki Moore? He’s cheap and available. LOL
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Hell no.
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That pretty much covers all the possibilities
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You know who else is cheap and available?
Vitaly Potapenko. Doesn’t mean anyone should sign him, though.
LMAO.
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Good point
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No the best choice is obviously Wang Zhizhi.
But only because his name is an excellent slang term for male genitalia.
Detras de ti, imbecil.
Hehe, I dont think its tanking at all.
Magic still have Dwight, MP, Lee, and Turk if they want, with Nelson, or Baron in one scenario. I dont kno how thats tanking, in fact playoffs are garantueed w/ dwight alone and in the east, team plays enough for 2nd round or better Id imagine (If they signed a vet PF now, its possible to do and very helpful).
After that one season, Magic would be opening a new arena, and have that same core… There is no other better FA destination, and Im saying that like its not even an opinion almost. Dwight alone is everything a franchise and other players want on their team. Hey, no superstar FAs come tho? No problem b/c remember the 2010 summer has ALOT of other high level FAs. You never think of the freedom Magic would have w/ Lewis off books? B/c I dream of it and CP3 coming over in 2012-2013 Haha =) You have no ill premonitions repeating a series win aginst a full Celtics squad and a badly-prepared and possibly retooled Cavs in future seasons? Well, actually I dont to be honest, but others could see that point. This gives crazy financial freedom in just 1 season, just before the new arena is open and the highest quality FA market in a looong time.
I previously agreed with e on this,
but looking at it from derekk’s POV, its feasible. Options should be seen not just with what the magic needs are, but also in comparison to what the rival teams will be doing, especially the ones that the magic expect to face in the 2010 playoffs.
That makes things complicated i know, but that’s how i would do it imho.
I'd like to maintain a sense of decorum here, but respectfully, I ask you: are you out of your mind?
Rebuilding? Sir, the Magic were 3 wins away from winning a championship this year. There is no need—none—for them to drastically shake-up their roster. They’re sitting pretty right now with 4 starting-quality players (Howard, Lewis, Nelson, and Pietrus) signed to long-term deals, while they also have another starting-quality player (Lee) on his rookie contract. There’s also a good possibility the key to their offense (Turkoglu) will return, at perhaps a… charitable… salary, for another several years.
In short, this is a championship-caliber team, and will be for years to come. Why they’d sacrifice a year or two of contending for what may be, at best, a lateral move, I have no idea.
Its all for fun bro. Your post is resoundingly correct too.
We should get a trade thread out there for resigning Turk, and then trying to s/t, acquire vet players like PF McDyess or along those lines. Keeping pretty much everyone or simply everyone, and acquiring one more depth player. I know GM Smith wanted to buy a late 1st or 2nd round pick a while back I think. I dont know how that’s changed now, but itd be fun to drag out the draft prospects in that area of mock drafts/international teams, and talk about it.
If I was Otis Smith, this is what I would do.
Re-sign Hedo Turkoglu. Sign Antonio McDyess to the bi-annual exception or the veteran’s minimum.
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Word,imagine the possibilities and how many different but excellent lineups could we bring out?
Although,there would be no place for big egos in that roster.
Nah .. Dice is a veteran that wants to win a title.
He’d be a perfect fit for the Magic. Perfect.
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The Magic made a run at Dice in the past but couldn't make it work.
I agree a good fit. Definite asset to the team.
The Surfdog
I think the team has a great chance at snagging him, now.
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Shaken by Laker defeats
I think many people are shaken by a 4-1 defeat in the finals, especially since we will probably be seeing Lakers again next year if they manage to keep most of their rosters. And since the biggest problem against Lakers is the Lewis-Gasol matchup (at least that’s how I felt), it is natural to want to make some changes to hope and strengthen that position.
I think the proposed Lewis trade isn’t good though, since it involves changing too many main pieces, but I can see why the ideal comes up.
It's unnecessary. I know it's fun to talk trade and what not ..
.. but the bottom line is this, the Magic just need to tweak the roster. Nothing more.
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Well,I don't see why the ideal comes up.
Trading Lewis? Anyone watched game 2 finals series? Come on,if he had a tough matchup,and couldn’t contribute more,Magic had to find a way around. I know what you’re thinking,and you’re right,but that’s kinda like saying cavs lost game 6 vs us because of LBJ. Funny.
Yeah, inviting the idea of trading Rashard .. is a bit absurd.
I understand the cliche argument against him, but still. It’s silly.
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Question is who is gonna get tweaked?
Have to wait until the cards get dealt. Hedo? Gortat? Johnson? Rafer? Reddick? Battie? Lue? Pietrus? Foyle? Hold ’em or Fold ’em ? Should be an interesting game.
The Surfdog
The tweak will be finding a replacement to Gortat.
.. that’s the only roster adjustment I see that’s a glaring one.
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We can't trade Rashard
Rihanna is totally into him
Yeah, no kidding.
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Besides
There’s only one GM in the NBA who’s going to have any piece of Rashard’s contract, and he’s already got Rashard on his roster.
by eltharion_doa on Jun 18, 2009 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions
You cant always assume
The linked topic posts werent as closed minded on the Lewis trade to their teams. But then again, they are fans and we are fans only, having some fun :)
Jameer > Davis
Davis shot in the mid 30’s from the field this year. Factor in that he makes almost 2x what Jameer does… it’d be awful.
"It's difficult to win when you're outscored in every quarter." -Bill Walton
by betterthanburke on Jun 19, 2009 12:48 AM EDT reply actions
We need to improve our frontcourt, PERIOD.
Major rumors floating around that since the Chinese have bought a minority stake in the Cavs, they will be diligently working towards a trade for Yao. If this happens, we are toast. D12 just doesn’t have an answer for that size.
Life's too short. Be a fan. Go Cards!!
It's highly unlikely that Yao gets traded.
.. I have a hard time seeing Houston move him.
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Shoals kills it re: this rumor
This rumor has become as lazily insistent as LeBron-to-NYC, since both make a certain amount of sense. James would want the biggest stage possible, Yao would want to consolidate China’s stranglehold on the NBA.
[….]
But for now, it just feels like a lazy “hey, wouldn’t you like to be managed by your own kind,” which presumes either that Yao is part of some global conspiracy or that he hasn’t learned to fit into the league on his own.
Link.
by Evan Dunlap on Jun 19, 2009 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Doesn't matter
Yao can opt out in 2010 and that rumor can happen then.
Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
With that being said
It’s not like LeBron can’t leave and then Yao could come to Cleveland. (That’s pretty sad when you think about it.) However, Yao is very loyal, and I think leaving Houston is not something he has even remotely thought about at this point.
Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I must say
The idea of trading Yao seems one of the most unlikely I can think of in the NBA.
by eltharion_doa on Jun 20, 2009 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey, I mean, they have another All-Star to build around
That McGrady fella is pretty good. /2005.
by Evan Dunlap on Jun 20, 2009 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I know this isn't the place
But I remember when Tmac was considered to be just as good as Kobe or Pierce. And, I believed that at one time. (Still do actually, but I never liked his mental game. Starting with rumors that he hung out in Toronto clubs until 5am consistently.)
Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
McGrady in his first few years with the Magic was a monster.
Easily a top five player in the NBA. T-Mac’s statistics were ridiculous.
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No tradeing Lewis
Love that guy.
'Coach, Dwight is a nice guy. Dwight don't hit anybody. But Superman will knock the crap out of you.' - D12
Ditto.
I’m a fan.
I'm the other guy at Third Quarter Collapse, with a Twitter account.
"Never hate your enemies. It affects your judgement." - Michael Corleone
Well, another nice thing of having Lewis + Turk locked up..
is the chance to have a project PF for 3-ish seasons whose offense would space Dwight out or just simply be a great fit, and only be eating Gortat’s previous minutes or vet Battie’s. So another idea I hope Magic do is to trade/buy into the 10-21 draft spots. If the Magic could grab one of those spots… wow! would be amazing, and then drafting a dejuan blair if he falls for health reasons, jamesjohnson,derrickbrown seem good picks
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