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Game 5, the Finals, & What's Next?

Here's this week's showcased fanpost. With the Orlando Magic's season officially over, 3QC member Lee for three provides his thoughts on the year for the team. 

Well unfortunately it's all come to an end.  An incredible season, a great post-season run and a heartbreaking finals.  Here's how it all shakes down from my end.

Game 5 - as E said a couple days ago, Game 4 was the straw that broke the camel's back.  This team has fought through adversity so many times, it just had nothing left tonight.  The Lakers went on that 16-0 run and after so many gritty, magical comebacks, Orlando was unable to reach down one more time.  Really not too much to say about this game because in my opinion this series was over after Game 4, all that was left was when it would end.

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The Finals - Unfortunately, history will look back at this Finals as a 4-1 series...not a series that was highlighted by three incredible games that left fans of both teams without their fingernails.  The Lakers came out and won both games in LA, Orlando won Game 3 and then they lost Game 4.  Simple as that.  It was our game to win, and we gave it away at the free throw line.  And that's the series right there.  I don't know if we would have won tonight if we won Game 4, but I do know we would have been able to absorb the Laker's run better and our attitude would have been entirely different.

But there are two things in my mind that really stick out throughout the series as a whole.  The first is Jameer Nelson.  I just want to start by saying, I don't know how many teams can lose an all-star (at the PG position at that) and still make the NBA Finals.  That in itself is an incredible accomplishment and something we should all be proud of.  I don't know exactly how this series would have turned out if he wasn't hurt, but I'm 100% sure we'd still be playing if he was around.  As a guy who shot 45% from deep this year, there's no chance in hell they'd be giving Nelson the looks they gave Alston all series.  That means less double teams, specifically on Dwight, and just entirely changes the complexion of the series.

The second one is related and that is three-point shooting.  As a whole, we shot 33% in this series.  With the looks we were getting, we should have hit well above 40%.  Now some people who don't know anything about basketball will say that it all "evened out" from the Cleveland series or whatever.  That's idiocy for two reasons.  1) Every shot is independent of each other.  This isn't like flipping a coin where it's all chance so if you flip 100 coins and get heads 85 times, you know that will even out.  Basketball is a skill and with the looks we were getting, we should have shot better.  Overall I thought the Lakers played well on defense, but they did not defend the three-pointer well and we didn't make them pay.

That actually transitions into a bonus point...Dwight Howard.  Statistically he didn't have a great series.  But I don't know how much more he could have done.  When Bynum was out of the game (and even sometimes when he was in) the Lakers swarmed him with double teams.  Sure he had turnover problems here and there but for the most part he made the passes he needed to make but his teammates didn't help him out by hitting shots.  If they hit those shots, the double teams stop and Howard has a much better series.

This Finals really changed nothing for me. I still like Kobe Bryant.  I never bought into the whole "needing Shaq thing."  I've said many times Shaq needed Kobe as much as Kobe needed Shaq.  I defended Bryant for the bad rap he got.  It bugged the hell out of me that the double-standard existed that seperated Garnett's "intensity" from Kobe's "selfishness".  So congrats to him for winning the title.  That being said, I don't really fear a Lakers dynasty.  They may be without Odom or Ariza next year...and they don't win a title this year unless they have both.  Kobe, Gasol and Odom have all really plateaued as players so I think there's more room for slight regression than improvement in this team.  What scares me the most heading into this offseason is the thought of Lebron getting legitmate help.

But overall, I feel really good about what this team has accomlplished and what is to come.  After Nelson went down, I didn't think they had much of a chance of making it this far.  After KG got hurt, I thought, OK, we can make it to the ECF this year.  Obviously I'm upset we didn't win it all...but I'm proud we got this far with all the adversity we had to overcome.  Games 1 and 3 against Philly.  Games 4 and 5 against Boston.  Game 2 against Cleveland.  Any one of those games alone could be enough to completely demoralize a team and make them crumble.  We dealt with all 5 in a months stretch, and rebounded every time.

Moving forward, if we can re-sign Turkoglu, I feel great about this team's chance to make it back to the Finals and win it all.  With a healthy Jameer Nelson I think we could have won it all this year.  So with essentially the same team back next year...plus the experience we got this year, we'd have to be among the favorites.  Alston also needs to go.  This needs to be Jameer's team, and we can't justify giving Alston $5 mil to play 10-15 mins a night.  I thank him for what he's done filling in for Nelson, but I think it's best for him and us if he moved elsewhere.  We move that salary and maybe we can get a veteran backup for Dwight who can do similar things to Gortat.  But the key is resigning Turkoglu.  We bring him back, add a healthy Jameer Nelson and reap the benefits of the way Lee and Pietrus blossomed this season and we're looking good.

I guess just finally, I want to thank everyone on this site...espeically Ben and Eddy.  Currently living in South Dakota, I don't get very many opportunites to talk Magic basketball.  So in that regard, I'm glad I found this site.  And Ben and E do a great job running it.  I've visited my fair share of other blogs during the post-season, and not to name names, but there were quite a few others out there that were just  "rah, rah, our team is the best" and completely biased.  You guys did an excellent job of providing objectivity and running this site professionally.  So kudos to you two, but to everyone on the site for making rooting for the Magic an even better experience.

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Great stuff lee

Enjoyed the read.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 15, 2009 12:40 AM EDT reply actions  

Very well written and thought out

You hit it on the head for me. I just can’t bring myself to hate Kobe in this series; I have nothing but admiration for him. Which is weird because I totally despised Lebron in the series against Cavaliers. I guess with Kobe you know he gives 110% 12 months a year and has an absolutely impressive work ethic. You just know he cares, and you would love to have a player like that on your team.

I did despise Fisher and especially Gasol in this series though (even Ariza). As individuals, I am sure they are fine people but as a fan, I just cannot bring myself to think of them as human beings right now.

Even though the Hippopotamus lacks a stinger for a tail, a truly wise man would rather be sat on by a bee. ~ Banacek

by funny80sguy on Jun 15, 2009 12:41 AM EDT reply actions  

Unrelated note to this excellent post . . .

How come the game thread was closed? I actually wanted to talk about the team with everybody immediately after that game was over. All we have are the fan posts at the moment.

Even though the Hippopotamus lacks a stinger for a tail, a truly wise man would rather be sat on by a bee. ~ Banacek

by funny80sguy on Jun 15, 2009 1:06 AM EDT reply actions  

erivera or Ben probably wanted to curb any trolling or outbursts before they happened :-/

We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors.

by TheGiantSquid on Jun 15, 2009 1:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

This also

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 15, 2009 1:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well, aren't those some thoughtful bastards.

I say this with affection.

Even though the Hippopotamus lacks a stinger for a tail, a truly wise man would rather be sat on by a bee. ~ Banacek

by funny80sguy on Jun 15, 2009 1:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

That was the idea funny

Close down the game thread so that people would have to focus different thoughts other than the typical back & forth’s.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 15, 2009 1:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

I guess I was hoping to goof on some of the people who were going to try to rub it in

Oh well.

Even though the Hippopotamus lacks a stinger for a tail, a truly wise man would rather be sat on by a bee. ~ Banacek

by funny80sguy on Jun 15, 2009 1:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Isn't worth it

As much as fun as it is in the moment.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 15, 2009 1:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

You actually speak true

In the scheme of things, a douchebag statement that goes unanswered limits its power over the attendance that it is attended to be against.

Even though the Hippopotamus lacks a stinger for a tail, a truly wise man would rather be sat on by a bee. ~ Banacek

by funny80sguy on Jun 15, 2009 1:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sí señor, precisamente

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 15, 2009 2:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes sir, precisely.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 15, 2009 2:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Good stuff Lee

It’s going to be a very interesting offseason

by bandrewg08 on Jun 15, 2009 2:01 AM EDT reply actions  

Good stuff, but

Magic will be back. Cle is gearing for matching better with Magic, and Garnett will be back for the Celtics, but there’s little doubt the Magic with these experiences and their new improvements wont be able to repeat a Finals run or better.

by derekk on Jun 15, 2009 2:11 AM EDT reply actions  

Nelson's Not So Great Trafalgar

Lakers deserved to win; they executed better, plain and simple. A REAL Team effort: Congrats!

But ALL our hearts go to our Orlando Magic for the ride of a lifetime! Kudos to you, guys and… see you next year!

Now, that’s NOT to say the Lakers are the better team in ANY context; just THIS time, THIS series. In all fairness, it was a LOT closer than 4 to 1. One lousy free throw in games 2 and 4 (which by the way, does NOT have ANYTHING to do with their defense) and the Magic would have the Lakers by their throats for dinner! Just ONE!

NOW, with this experience and a few changes in personnel, we’ll be READY for next season’s Finals.

Oh… and by the way; Nelson SHOULD really feel REGRET, for all things being equal, his insertion into the series, starting with the very FIRST game, threw our whole chemistry to hell, just to satisfy his big ego. He could not bring ANYTHING to the game, so it’s all right with him to screw his team, and ALL of us along the way. Oh; “I’ll be alright, he says; it won’t affect MY rehab”, he says. REAL TEAM spirit and effort- "Et tu, Brute?"

This wasn’t some human error; like Anderson’s missed free throws. No… this was INTENTIONAL, CARELESS, SELFISH motivated mayhem! The Team WILL overcome its shortcomings; the free throws and 3-pointers WILL fall in again; but, we’ll NEVER forget this…

By the way, Nelson; wouldn’t it be nice of you to play, let’s say in Toronto? We could find you a GREAT deal with Battie and Lue, for Chris Bosh.

There MUST be a special place just for you and all your elk…

We’ll give Van Gundy the benefit of the doubt… for the time being…

I’ll be around for next year; hoping… supporting the Magic all along. I just hope against all hope, that YOU are NOT part of it, for you will surely bring nothing but heartache and misery to the Magic, just like Shaquille, McGrady, Grant Hill, et al…

Sayonara!

by manny55 on Jun 15, 2009 4:43 AM EDT reply actions  

You can always trade Meer for Mo Williams

I hear he’s an up & comer.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 15, 2009 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rec'd for truth

There were no easy answers for victory.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 15, 2009 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Absolute money comment.

Rec’d for its accuracy.

I'm the other guy at Third Quarter Collapse, with a Twitter account.

"Never hate your enemies. It affects your judgement." - Michael Corleone

by erivera7 on Jun 15, 2009 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Plain and simple. As I said elsewhere

Winning makes decisions look good.
Losing is what makes the exact same decisions look bad.
Rec’d for hitting in RIGHT on the head.

by Dzogi on Jun 15, 2009 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

.. another money comment.

Lest we forget? Jameer was an All-Star.

I'm the other guy at Third Quarter Collapse, with a Twitter account.

"Never hate your enemies. It affects your judgement." - Michael Corleone

by erivera7 on Jun 15, 2009 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nah

Meer sucks. Didn’t you watch the Finals?

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 15, 2009 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Definite sarcasm.

I'm the other guy at Third Quarter Collapse, with a Twitter account.

"Never hate your enemies. It affects your judgement." - Michael Corleone

by erivera7 on Jun 15, 2009 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Renaming this site ?

I think the name 3QC haunted the Magic in Game 4 – the most important game and the turning point of the Finals.

by 33-32-00 on Jun 15, 2009 7:51 AM EDT reply actions  

The NBA finals

Where SBN blogs have to change their names.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 15, 2009 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

.. easy. Don't worry about it.

I'm the other guy at Third Quarter Collapse, with a Twitter account.

"Never hate your enemies. It affects your judgement." - Michael Corleone

by erivera7 on Jun 15, 2009 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's funny

Nobody questioned Ben about the name when this blog in 2007 when he was still using Blogger.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 15, 2009 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Doozy of a post, Lee.

Well done, sir. Good read.

I’ll try to respond in short.

Should the Magic be disappointed that they lost the NBA Finals? Sure, that’s normal. Should Orlando be disappointed at the year they had? No way .. this team legitimately grew up before our very eyes throughout the season. The mental toughness of this year was amazing. The coaches and players just didn’t give a flying eff .. that lack of “caring” really helped every time Orlando was faced with an obstacle in its path.

I’ll be in town to cover the Hedo proceedings the best I can and again, speaking with the people I’ve spoken to, combined with my feels on the matter, I think Turkoglu will stick around. I can’t begin to describe how important he is to the team, so as long as Turk comes back .. I think the Magic will be fine.

On behalf of Ben and I, you’re welcome. I’m glad you, and everyone else here in the community, enjoys this site. 3QC has grown exponentially and it’s because of you guys (and gals). So big ups to everyone.

Personally, I strive for intellectual discussion, objectivity, and I think it’s safe to say we have that here. It’s why 3QC is what it is. The community is the heart of this site .. without the peeps here, Ben and I would be writing to each other. Hah. We can only thank the people here for reading out stuff. We appreciate it.

I'm the other guy at Third Quarter Collapse, with a Twitter account.

"Never hate your enemies. It affects your judgement." - Michael Corleone

by erivera7 on Jun 15, 2009 3:22 PM EDT reply actions  

I agree with much of your thoughts......

however, LA defended the 3 point line much better than Cleveland did. In last night’s game especially and for the series in general, Lewis and Turk had someone in their grill more often than not. The reason for the fall off in the 3 point production in the two series seems very oblivious to me. As a Cavs fan, let me say the contrast was stark.

I feel your pain but congrats on a great season and playoff run! Let the off-season chess game begin!

So I told her," I'll be nicer if you try to be smarter!'..That was a mistake.

by Juannieboy on Jun 15, 2009 4:35 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah, the Lakers did a good job of running at the Magic shooters.

.. that’s something the Cavaliers didn’t do and they paid for it dearly.

I'm the other guy at Third Quarter Collapse, with a Twitter account.

"Never hate your enemies. It affects your judgement." - Michael Corleone

by erivera7 on Jun 16, 2009 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lurker and Laker fan

First off – congratulations to the Magic on a great season – Dwight, SVG and the whole team were very worthy opponents. History will record the Finals as a 4-1 Laker win, but you guys made us fight like hell for those 4 wins and it sure as hell didn’t feel like a five-game win – after game 2, I wanted to take a picture of Rashard Lewis and fax it to the Lakers office so they’d know who to defend beyond the arc. While I’m obviously happy my team won, I’ll be the first to admit that we caught some good breaks and the Magic caught some bad breaks. I know that losing heartbreakers in the Finals hurts – we were there last year, so I know a little bit about what that feels like as a fan. I think it’s a good sign that Dwight and Jameer stayed to watch the Laker celebration to let it sink in and – having seen my guys use 2008 as motivation for our championship run this year – I think it portends good things for your team next year.

Your team has a great upside and you have a very likeable and good bunch of guys on your team; I appreciate what the Magic do for their fans and community – suffice it to say I like your team a hell of a lot better than the Celtics. I can easily see your team contending for championships for a few years to come and would be happy to see it win one (as long as it doesn’t come at the expense of the Lakers!)

Good series and best of luck next year (unless, again, it’s in the finals vs. us)

by Kung Pau on Jun 15, 2009 4:43 PM EDT reply actions  

Thanks for the kind words.

As I said elsewhere, congrats on winning the ’ship. The Lakers deserved it, simple as that. Who knows .. maybe Orlando and Los Angeles can have a rematch next season? Highly unlikely, but you never know.

I'm the other guy at Third Quarter Collapse, with a Twitter account.

"Never hate your enemies. It affects your judgement." - Michael Corleone

by erivera7 on Jun 16, 2009 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nobody should forget that we got a lot further than anyone expected us to

What makes me sick is everybody is going to be calling SVG the “Master of Panic” again. The “Master of Panic” would’ve packed it in long ago. We would’ve never seen Boston, much less taken them out in seven.

And they better not ride D12 too hard about this either. Dwight has a Finals win. That’s more than Bron-Bron can say right now. And adding Shaq will not change that for the Cavs.

We should be proud of what the Magic have accomplished this year. The players and coaches will learn from their mistakes, everyone will get healthy, and we’ll make this run again next year. You can take that to the bank.

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And if we don't share then we don't grow
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by Orlando Rays on Jun 15, 2009 4:53 PM EDT reply actions  

Well said, sir.

I'm the other guy at Third Quarter Collapse, with a Twitter account.

"Never hate your enemies. It affects your judgement." - Michael Corleone

by erivera7 on Jun 16, 2009 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

And you can relive the finals with the Magic winning

By the way, Kobe is the cover athlete for 2k10. I like both franchises for different reasons, but this year I guess I’ll really go with Live.

by Norsktroll on Jun 15, 2009 5:28 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

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