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Boston Celtics 112, Orlando Magic 94: The Morning After

  • Brian Schmitz states the difference between Game 1 and Game 2 for the Orlando Magic and the Boston Celtics. In two words, effort and heart:
    The Magic played like a team satisfied it is coming home with a split for Game 3 on Friday night.

    They were the team that came out listless and fell behind early by a large margin — mirroring the Celtics' listless effort in the opener Monday night.

    But the defending champs at least found enough gumption and heart to storm back to cut a 28-point third-quarter deficit to three points, hitting shots and making stops. The Magic never made a semblance of a run.
  • Mike Bianchi explains why Orlando didn't bother to show up last night against Boston, despite having the chance to put the Celtics in a 2-0 hole:
    Unfortunately, it is simply the NBA mind-set to relax when you're playing Game 2 on the road after you've already won Game 1 on the road. Yes, you want to win it, but it's not imperative. It's not desperate. It's not "the coach is going to get fired and arena construction is going to halt" if you don't.

    When you've already won Game 1 and stolen home-court advantage, everything else is just whipped cream.

    Of course, the Magic players and coaches will say they fiercely wanted this game, but they did not. Sadly, they did not. You cannot really want something and play this horribly.
  • Chris Sheridan of ESPN.com gathers the thoughts of Rafer Alston after the game (regarding the Eddie House incident) ...
    The Magic were completely devoid of energy as the second half got underway, their only outburst coming when Alston hit Eddie House in the back of the head with an open-handed slap after House buried one of his four 3-pointers (Question for Stu Jackson: If a player whacks someone in the back of the head, but his fist is not closed and he doesn't use his elbow, does that mean the crime is not suspension-worthy? I believe we have Thursday's gray-area topic).

    "He shot an elbow at me, to my stomach, and it was just a natural reaction. But I have no hard feelings toward Eddie at all," Alston said. To the question of whether he's concerned he'll be suspended for Game 3 Friday, Alston said: "I'm concerned, but that's something I can't do much about now. If the NBA is cool and they look at the play in its entirety, they'll see that he threw the elbow first at my stomach."
    ... and also provides an assessment of what to look for between the Magic and the Celtics as the series shifts to Orlando for Games 3 & 4. 
    This is a series, and it's coming with subplots and surprises that are building the drama. Act III will kick off the weekend, and Act IV will end it, then we'll begin the start of the next workweek with a better idea of whether the Magic are truly championship material and whether the Celtics' supporting cast will continue to be so key to their title defense.
  • Tim Povtak of NBA Fanhouse sums up last night's proceedings:
    The Magic, conversely, looked like they started the game content to leave town with split, preferring to save their energy for Games 3 and 4 in Orlando. They fell into an early, why-bother approach, obviously overwhelmed by the Celtics superior focus.
  • Matt Moore of Hardwood Paroxys provides his thoughts on the matchup last night between Orlando and Boston. This observation was interesting. 
    Turkoglu is going to have to force the issue in this series. If he’s passive, they won’t win, and he won’t get paid as much. It’s a win-win-lose-lose situation.

    I've spoken about Hedo's poor playoff showing a few weeks ago and I'll have to agree with the assessment. Turk needs to pick up his play the remainder of the series if the Magic want to beat the Celtics. That's key

  • UPDATE: Kelly Dwyer of Ball Don't Lie chimes in on the game. 
  • UPDATE 2: Dwight Howard offers his thoughts after last night's loss:
    [...] we have to prove what w e’re made of and come back with some real fight in Game 3. We need our home crowd to give us a big lift, but really it’s on us. And in my eyes it’s on me. I have to get my guys going with my play because if I’m playing hard and dominating in the paint the guys will f ollow me.

    Let’s hope that was just one bad game. It’s going to be a long, hard series and we’ll be back from this. Yall keep the faith in us because we need the help.
  • UPDATE 3: Peter May, in a special to Yahoo! Sports, surmises Game 2 between Orlando and Boston with the following thoughts:
    Neither Howard nor Lewis left his feet as Rondo soared. Neither player in any significant way attempted to stop, defend, impede or prevent the dunk. Howard, who led the NBA in blocked shots and is the 2008-09 Defensive Player of the Year, simply watched Rondo as if he was a shooting star. Lewis actually backed off, moving away to make more room for Rondo.

    That was Game 2 in a nutshell. The Celtics attacked, the Magic backed off.

    [...] "This was not one of the more enjoyable days of my coaching career. They dominated from the get-go," Van Gundy said. "That’s the first time in a long time that we’ve got our butts kicked." [...]

    Series are all about adjustments, but the Magic need to do more than adjust to make it a series. They need a heart transplant. They never challenged a Celtics team that was in desperate need of a win, a team that got exactly one basket (and three points) from a foul-plagued Paul Pierce.
  • UPDATE 4: Matt Watson of NBA Fanhouse addresses the Alston/House issue.
  • UPDATE 5: As does Sports Illustrated, which holds a roundtable discussion to discuss the merits behind whether or not Skip To My Lou should get suspended for Game 3 tomorrow. The prevailing opinions? Split on the issue - two writers say yes, two writers say no. I suggest giving the article a read.
  • For a Celtics perspective on Game 2, check out CelticsBlog and Celtics Hub.

Make sure to check out this post every few hours for updates. 

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How Orlando responds in Game 3 will be key

First off, the pic above makes Alston and House look as if they are gonna share a passionate but angry kiss. Nice one, ER (and yes, they were chanting your name last night)!

Speaking of Rafer, he’ll probably get suspended today. Though I don’t think he should. The league should just give him a heavy fine, something like $50k, instead. They can justify it by saying that his slap was a gray area but then clearly state that in the future one would get suspended for it.

As for the other Eddy, I don’t think he’ll dominate a game again like he did last night. But the Celtics don’t need him to score 31 to win. They just need him to be consistent and make 3-4 treys a game.

Rondo was back to his Triple-Double level from the Bulls series last night, which was the reason Boston won. His 7 turnovers from Game 1 was very uncharacteristic; Rondo is one of the best point guards at not turning over the ball.

I was more surprised at how the Magic played last night than the Celtics. Charles Barkley was right last night in saying that Orlando was just settling for a split. No doubt Magic fans should be very disappointed—Orlando could have basically won the series last night but instead they gave Boston a much-needed breather. They didn’t even make the Celtics sweat. If the Magic want to beat the Cs, they have to push them to the limit (like the Bulls did, who had the Celts on the ropes repeatedly and almost pushed them over the edge). Don’t let up.

Fortunately, Orlando still has homecourt advantage. All they have to do is win their home games and they’ll advance (and not even have to worry about a Game 7 in Boston). Game 3 is a must-win. If they don’t, I’m afraid it’ll be the end of Orlando.

By the way, is Hedo injured? He usually plays well against Boston, especially in Magic wins, driving to the basket and shooting well in “crisp” performances. But not in this series, it seems.

by LibNat on May 7, 2009 11:55 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

That's a doozy of a comment. Good thoughts.

I wasn’t surprised by Orlando’s play last night. I expected Boston to win and I figured the reason would be because the Magic would settle for the split on the road, rather than go for the kill like I had hoped.

Disappointing, but not surprising.

As for Hedo, he’s still dealing with his left ankle but it’s nothing serious. Turkoglu just hasn’t been been playing well in the playoffs this year .. hopefully that will change, because the team needs him.

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by erivera7 on May 7, 2009 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

This is the piece of trash called Eddie House:

Scroll down until the end

http://www.nba.com/games/20081223/PHIBOS/playbyplay.html

he is that type of player, hitting meaningless last second threes in 20 point wins…. I hope next time someone punches him seriously, he deserves all the worst things

I really HATE the guy, what a jerk… GO MAGIC !!!

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by Ricky - Sixers4guidos on May 7, 2009 11:55 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

He's a jerk, but it is what it is.

.. best way to shut Eddie House up is just to stop him on offense before he can get going.

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by erivera7 on May 7, 2009 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

erivera, I'll stand by my word

I love Turk, but he can’t get the job done inthe post season. He was a huge dissapoinment last post season and he’s been playing below par in this one. I don’t know what the problem is, but I’m starting to think he’ll hold this team back if we sign him to a big contract. It’s a tough way to look at it, but I’m starting to think it’s true.

by magic fanatic on May 7, 2009 12:23 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hedo was okay last season .. this season, he's been terrible.

I really think there’s just a ton in Turkoglu’s head right now and it’s affecting his play.

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by erivera7 on May 7, 2009 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah, $$$

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"Shoot first, ask questions last" Rafer Alston

by DieSlowKeyshawn on May 7, 2009 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep.

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by erivera7 on May 7, 2009 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

terrible in the reg.season is abit strong,IMO.

down compared to the previous year,yes but this yr. they brought in Lewis to lighten his load.

The Surfdog

by Surfdog on May 8, 2009 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m not sure how you replace Hedo Turkoglu if you decide not to pay him.

  • The team won’t be far enough below the cap to sign an elite free agent until when? 2012? 2013?
  • The team will have low draft picks because of their regular season success, so they’re unlikely to find a replacement there either.
  • The Magic don’t have great trade assets outside of Dwight, not the type of trade assets that can free up an All-Star caliber wing who can create off the dribble.

If you decide not to pay Hedo Turkoglu, how do you replace him?

by NBR on May 7, 2009 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Orlando can find a way. Difficult, but not impossible.

- Magic can net a mid-tier free agent this off-season, if necessary (there are other possibilities).
- Unlikely, but there is precedence (see Courtney Lee).
- .. this is true, for the most part.

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by erivera7 on May 7, 2009 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We’re not talking about finding a good role player here, like a Courtney Lee or a James Posey.

We’re talking about a mulit-dimensional wing who is a 17-20ppg threat, with the playmaking skills of a point guard, who also does good work defensively and on the backboards.

Finding someone with those abilities, with the MLE, or with a late first round pick .. How often does that happen? If you were to place odds on this happening, what odds would you give them? I’d give less than 1%.

It’s damn near impossible … and you can’t leverage your club’s future on an unlikelihood like that.

by NBR on May 7, 2009 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Orlando doesn't need to find a Hedo-lite.

.. there are other ways of constructing a roster. Stan Van Gundy has shown in his time as a coach that he is flexible with his personnel and can adjust accordingly.

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by erivera7 on May 7, 2009 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sign a PF and move Shard back to SF?

After some further thought on who’s available, I’d like to see us go after Bass. The players we already have signed through next year:

PG: Nelson, Alston
SG: Lee, Redick, Pietrus
SF:
PF: Lewis
C: Howard, Foyle, Battie

If we sign Bass, move Lewis and Pietrus to SF, and Battie to backup PF, we’ve got a solid starting group with a decent bench (although we’re still 2 players short of a full squad):
PG: Nelson, Alston
SG: Lee, Redick
SF: Lewis, Pietrus
PF: Bass, Battie
C: Howard, Foyle

Our big issue’s going to be the cap. Without Bass, and with everyone we don’t have signed walking (including Turk), we’ll only have about $1 million in cap space, assuming the cap’s similar to this year. The contracts of Battie, Alston, Pietrus, and Lewis are killing our cap space (Dwight and Jameer also have large contracts, but I think they’re earning theirs).

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That waiting in the dark like destiny
Are those who kissed the dogs of war
And there is no tomorrow."

by The Dark on May 7, 2009 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That is a very good team, but is an elite team? Is it a Championship winning team?

I don’t think it has enough creativity and playmaking on the wing. I think top defensive teams will be able to shut it down … unless, you know, that Dwight Howard fella becomes a god-like scorer out of the low post.

by NBR on May 7, 2009 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The cap is going to be lower next year. Ditto with the luxury tax, as a result.

.. Alston and Battie have expiring contracts, so that issue is going to be a moot point soon. Before Rafer’s ‘incident’ last night, I felt that the Magic could benefit from moving him in a trade, given he’s done a good job since he was traded to Orlando but maybe his little slap will change things (it shouldn’t). In any case, if GM Otis Smith is smart, he could “sell high” with Alson and move him. Skip has value, especially since his contract is expiring next year .. so that’s a possibility.

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by erivera7 on May 7, 2009 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Contracts ....

Rashard Lewis, Dwight Howard, and Jameer Nelson combine for $41mil to $50mil a season between 2009/10 and 2012/13.

That’s without any other contracts on the books. Add Pietrus to the mix with his $5mil per annum, and the situation is fairly ugly. A few small contracts from draft picks and cap charge for open roster spots and then available money gets smaller again.

Financially, the Magic are already stuck in a corner … when it comes to re-signing or replacing Hedo Turkoglu. Finding a way to get a high price free agent who makes eight figures per annum will be very difficult with those three main players on the books, the Magic will likely have to dump one in order to replace Hedo and then they’d have to replace the departing player’s contributions too.

by NBR on May 7, 2009 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's impossible for Orlando to net a guy earning $10 million+ ..

.. even with Alston and Battie off the books next season. The Magic wouldn’t have to dump any of the Big Three if they were to re-sign Turkoglu, who’s doing the team a bit of a favor by playing poorly in the postseason so far. I expect Hedo back; I think this talk is going to be a moot point.

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by erivera7 on May 7, 2009 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly ...

It’s in Orlando’s best interests to pay Hedo Turkoglu a large contract this summer (not a horrific contract), despite Hedo’s struggles and question marks of his ability to be a difference maker in the playoffs … because the club cannot expect to find an adequate replacement.

Taking a chance with Hedo and this core … is still better than … trying to build a legitimate contender without Hedo.

I love Turk, but he can’t get the job done in the post season. He was a huge disappointment last post season and he’s been playing below par in this one. I don’t know what the problem is, but I’m starting to think he’ll hold this team back if we sign him to a big contract. It’s a tough way to look at it, but I’m starting to think it’s true.

Which is why I disagree with this post.

While I agree with magic fanatic’s doubts and disappointment with Hedo’s play in the postseason … I just do not think the club can afford to let Hedo Turkoglu go, because I can’t see how they replace him.

They’d be running blind without a plan. I think the risk of not paying Hedo is far greater than the risk of paying Hedo — the risk to the Orlando Magic’s future — despite the completely reasonable + unnerving question mark made against Hedo’s postseason play.

by NBR on May 7, 2009 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think his concern is that Turkoglu may net money that he doesn't deserve.

Obviously I’m just guessing, but that’s how I interpreted that statement.

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by erivera7 on May 7, 2009 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's a little bit of that

I just hope that the front office sees what I see. Of course, they get paid to see way more than I see.

by magic fanatic on May 7, 2009 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hate to say this but...

I think if they leveled the pay field for him i think u would see his play improve.

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by Surfdog on May 8, 2009 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

My point is this, putting your faith in Turk to help us win a championship is probably a bad decision. I understand that there aren’t a lot of options, but if sticking with Turk means we’ll be good but fall short of a title every year than I don’t want to sign him to a long term deal. Now do I know that is true? No, we could win it this year and I wouldn’t be shocked at all.

Here is my deal, none of us are gm’s. It’s not a job that any fan or blogger could do no matter what we say. If Otis decides to part ways with Turk at the end of the year I won’t be the guy who bitches and moans. It might not be a bad idea.

by magic fanatic on May 7, 2009 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

On how to replace Hedo...

Here’s how it’s done:
1. We trade Turk (mediocre and 30-years-old) and sweeten the deal with MP, who’s almost as bad and turnover-prone.
2. We trade Batie, who’s old, not doing much and, like MP is overpaid.
3. We sign Gortat to a 5-year, 5-million contract, which is what he would get in this recesion-limited time. Gortat is a future All-Star (1 or 2 years), and future twin-post for the Magic, besides being Dwight’s replacement. Plus (BIG plus), he’s only 24!

Anyway, our true core is: Dwight, Lewis, Lee, Nelson, Gortat and Redick, in that order. The rest is filler.

That’s how we go under cap and obtain Hedo’s replacement; someone who is steady and error-free (18 p/gm, 5-9 rebounds, 1 turnover, about 6’9").

by manny55 on May 7, 2009 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

not really an update, but ESPN has a headline that it is investigating Kobe/Artest/Fisher and only offer this:
In the Magic-Celtics game, Alston smacked House in the back of the head with an open hand after he said House elbowed him in the stomach after hitting a 3-point shot.

And while Alston’s smack clearly did not fall under the rule that calls for an automatic suspension for throwing a punch, Jackson still has to decide whether it was an egregious enough act in and of itself to warrant a suspension for Friday night’s Game 3 in Orlando.

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by DieSlowKeyshawn on May 7, 2009 12:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, that's the grey area issue.

.. should be interesting what Stu Jackson decides to do.

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by erivera7 on May 7, 2009 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fish and Rafer yes, Kobe no

Actually the Lakers will be better off if Fisher is not playing, he can’t guard Brooks anyway. Rafer lost his cool, but the league can’t let a guys slap another guy in the back of the head and not suspend him. If not, the NBA will be the 3 stooges and everyone will be slapping each other.

Game 3 is huge and we’ll be at a disadvantage if Skip is out. But Lee should be back and thats a plus.

Kobe does that stuff all the time and never gets suspended. But I wish Ron-Ron would knock his punk a** out.

by L Magico on May 7, 2009 1:13 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Well

Stu Jackson did let someone get away with tossing someone into a scorer’s table, so I’m just going to assume that because the league office has been criticized a ton for not suspending Rondo that they’ll just fine Rafer.

Shaq sucks.

by Paul Finger on May 7, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We'll find out the punishment sometime today.

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by erivera7 on May 7, 2009 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Interesting analysis from game 2

Thanks for posting all these articles here.

As a Celtic fan, I’m truly relieved and glad that my team has tied the series, and in some fashion, but I think that the Magic will be much tougher to beat in game 3.

As for Alston, it was clearly stupid from him to slap Eddie House. Still, I think he won’t get suspended and I must say he doesn’t really deserve a suspension because technically, following the NBA rules, a slap isn’t an elbow, and also because it was a frustration move but certainly not intended to hurt House. So the league should view this play as it is (a stupid move from a frustrated player but nothing dangerous), give Alston a fine and move on.

by Drucci on May 7, 2009 2:00 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, no problem.

Boston played exceptionally well last night .. Orlando didn’t bother to respond, which was disappointing. Oh well, that’s how it goes. The Magic were clearly content with splitting the first two games, and that’s it.

Yeah, Rafer was stupid for what he did. Personally, I don’t think he should be suspended but given the circumstances, I wouldn’t be the least surprised if Alston was punished. We’ll see what happens.

Thanks for dropping by and providing your thoughts. Congrats on a Game 2 win.

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by erivera7 on May 7, 2009 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I quoted you on my blog yesterday. It’s a moot point since both Orlando and Houston lost last night but I thought I’d let you know.

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by tj_t on May 7, 2009 2:23 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Great stuff. I appreciate it.

Thanks for dropping by and letting me know.

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by erivera7 on May 7, 2009 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hedo's Replacement

Here’s how it’s done:
1. We trade Turk (mediocre and 30-years-old) and sweeten the deal with MP, who’s almost as bad and turnover-prone.
2. We trade Batie, who’s old, not doing much and, like MP is overpaid.
3. We sign Gortat to a 5-year, 5-million contract, which is what he would get in this recesion-limited time. Gortat is a future All-Star (1 or 2 years), and future twin-post for the Magic, besides being Dwight’s replacement. Plus (BIG plus), he’s only 24!

Anyway, our true core is: Dwight, Lewis, Lee, Nelson, Gortat and Redick, in that order. The rest is filler.

That’s how we go under cap and obtain Hedo’s replacement; someone who is steady and error-free (18 p/gm, 5-9 rebounds, 1 turnover, about 6’9").

by manny55 on May 7, 2009 3:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Future all-star???

Sometimes I live in a make believe world, but not even in that make believe world is Gortat a future all-star. Good role player, yes.

by AB's triple double on May 7, 2009 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

At the most, I can see Gortat be a fringe All-Star.

Like I said below, it’s conducive on Marcin dramatically improving his offensive repertoire.

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by erivera7 on May 7, 2009 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gortat is not going to be a future All-Star, unless he miraculously improves his offensive game.

- No team will take on Turk and MP (that’s not sweetening the deal), so that idea can be thrown out.
- Battie is tradable, yes, but it’ll be difficult to move him.
- Not sure how Gortat is Howard’s future replacement when Dwight is younger than Marcin. Don’t get me wrong, I like the Polish Hammer and I think he’ll be a solid role player, but that’s it.

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